missjekyll:
Great discussion today.
I have 1 bone to pick though.
I don't think we,the victims, benefit from censoring words like racism and tribalism.

It only enables the bad people to hide and continue their bad work.
I would probably not write it in bold but I will certainly write it in full.
Anyone it pains to be called racist should change.

Ra***sm, tri****sm or serious discrimination is not limited to the whites alone please. It's something deep rooted in every human being, whether we like it or not. But we must make conscious efforts to water them down. For someone like me, I can't deny that I harbour serious resentment against those LG***Q nonsense as I still see them as sick people and that's classed as discrimination or even ra***sm in a way. But I've learnt to let them live their life while I live mine, we work together, eat together etc but they remain sick to me.

deept:


who approved the PSW visas? were they compelled to?

Hehe. PSW is the carrot dangled in front of international students as a reasonable pathway to longterm stay.
In 2012 ish the backdoor song was chorused hence the 'study and go' approach was tried but we know how that ended. The funny thing with all these is they can decide to cap the number of any kind of visa to whatever number they so choose and stop this constant moaning.

Its interesting that despite the recent immigration brouhaha, the 'study and go" approach has hardly been mentioned again. Some lessons have been learnt.

wonlasewonimi:


No be when you get excess money you go send home? If e like e reach N10k to £1, if money no dey shingbai no dey fly anywhere

Now I know dem dey call you Ashewo 😂

ehizario2012:


Ra***sm, tri****sm or serious discrimination is not limited to the whites alone please. It's something deep rooted in every human being, whether we like it or not. But we must make conscious efforts to water them down. For someone like me, I can't deny that I harbour serious resentment against those LG***Q nonsense as I still see them as sick people and that's classed as discrimination or even ra***sm in a way. But I've learnt to let them live their life while I live mine, we work together, eat together etc but they remain sick to me.

“Live and let live” this is what I say to myself when I see people doing things I won’t do.

dustydee:
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Thank you for writing those words in full.

As victims of racism , we can only gain from drawing attention to it wherever we find it.
Our children wont struggle as much because of our hardwork.

As to your question, i would like to perhaps throw that question open to the house? Why discriminate? Racism/tribalism is discrimination, why is it prevalent at home?

This may sound like very strong words but i believe only village bush people discriminate. I used to hold those village views when i hadnt been anywhere.

Having now lived all over Nigeria, i do not have a single bone of discrimination left in my body. People are people

Lexusgs430:


What's the difference between racism and tribalism........ 🤣😛

The amount of tribalism we inflict upon ourselves in Nigeria, cannot be quantified or justified...... Small racism we are victims of in the UK, we want to blow the house down, but shoulder tribalism in Nigeria, with our full chest............ 🤣😂😜

ehizario2012:


Ra***sm, tri****sm or serious discrimination is not limited to the whites alone please. It's something deep rooted in every human being, whether we like it or not. But we must make conscious efforts to water them down. For someone like me, I can't deny that I harbour serious resentment against those LG***Q nonsense as I still see them as sick people and that's classed as discrimination or even ra***sm in a way. But I've learnt to let them live their life while I live mine, we work together, eat together etc but they remain sick to me.

This is not a good way to refer to another human being.
There will be LGBTQ people reading this thread and we want to keep this a safe,welcoming space for all Nigerians.

You never know whose insight can save you hundreds of pounds or get you into a good job.

I must admit, I ve always wondered what Jesus would do if he met a gay person? We know how he reacted when he met a prostitute , a corrupt government official and a thief.
Would he react differently to a gay person?

ehizario2012:


Ra***sm, tri****sm or serious discrimination is not limited to the whites alone please. It's something deep rooted in every human being, whether we like it or not. But we must make conscious efforts to water them down. For someone like me, I can't deny that I harbour serious resentment against those LG***Q nonsense as I still see them as sick people and that's classed as discrimination or even ra***sm in a way. But I've learnt to let them live their life while I live mine, we work together, eat together etc but they remain sick to me.

I usually remove hateful post like this and the other poster that used another hateful word ''sadEast'', but no because sometimes its important to shine the stoplight on our own behaviour towards other race/tribe etc.

wonlasewonimi:


Yeah right..it affected his hair and voice too

I idolised MJ all through my childhood, and even now long after his death. So I believe I can offer some answers.

1. I don't think anyone could be as popular/accepted worldwide on the level that MJ was, ever again in this life.

2. Contrary to popular belief, he didn't have surgery to become white. He had aggressive vitiligo, and yes he did use some chemicals only to even up patches and smoothen the skin tone, but it was largely the vitiligo.

3. He was faking his lady like voice for the most part as an adult. The voice was part of the package, kinda like part of his act/identity. When he was younger it was rumoured that his father (who was a well documented ruthless tough guy) used hormones to keep his voice shrill, like a child so he could continue to sound the same as he did as lead of the Jackson 5. He no want make the voice texture change. Dunno how true this is, cos I can't confirm if hormone therapy was a thing far back then. But back to my earlier point, if you do your research you would find videos where he slipped up and spoke with a much deeper voice. In fact, for quite a long time leading up to his death, he had gotten quite comfortable with speaking in his true deeper voice.

4. He suffered third degree burns on his head, after the pepsi ad fire. Those portions could never grow hair again, so he resorted to wigs. That long hair you were always seeing, na wig.

deept:


Does not mean your more naira on the pound does more because the rate of inflation no be here.

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dustydee:

Guy send some muni home jor. Bag of rice is now £37.
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So when hin pay for the rice, nah only rice den go chop........😂

What about house rent, hin suppose pay for that one too .......😄

Lack of family planning nko, when den go dey born pickin like piggery farm, who suppose support that act of irresponsibility........😜🤑

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missjekyll:
Thank you for writing those words in full.

As victims of racism , we can only gain from drawing attention to it wherever we find it.
Our children wont struggle as much because of our hardwork.

As to your question, i would like to perhaps throw that question open to the house? Why discriminate? Racism/tribalism is discrimination, why is it prevalent at home?

This may sound like very strong words but i believe only village bush people discriminate. I used to hold those village views when i hadnt been anywhere.

Having now lived all over Nigeria, i do not have a single bone of discrimination left in my body. People are people

Nice comment

Re the bolded, would be interesting to hear responses to this.

I'm also curious - when you were in Nigeria and you experienced or witnessed tribalism, did you or others react against it? And what did this reaction look like - speaking out, reporting the offender, drawing attention to it, campaigns etc...

Oh no, i didnt fight it at all.
I wasnt as strong as I am today. Thats one thing Nigeria does to you. Nigeria perpertrates psychological violence on its citizens. You feel like a nobody with no options. Its like being in an abusive relationship.

Zahra29:


Nice comment

Re the bolded, would be interesting to hear responses to this.

I'm also curious - when you were in Nigeria and you experienced or witnessed tribalism, did you or others react against it? And what did this reaction look like - speaking out, reporting the offender, drawing attention to it, campaigns etc...

Lexusgs430:


So when hin pay for the rice, nah only rice den go chop........😂

What about house rent, hin suppose pay for that one too .......😄

Lack of family planning nko, when den go dey born pickin like piggery farm, who suppose support that act of irresponsibility........😜🤑

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BorisJohnson:


Crystal Ball.
Abi eye dey pain me?

We must "learn a lesson"

jedisco:


Hehe. PSW is the carrot dangled in front of international students as a reasonable pathway to longterm stay.
In 2012 ish the backdoor song was chorused hence the 'study and go' approach was tried but we know how that ended. The funny thing with all these is they can decide to cap the number of any kind of visa to whatever number they so choose and stop this constant moaning.

Its interesting that despite the recent immigration brouhaha, the 'study and go" approach has hardly been mentioned again. Some lessons have been learnt.

Do you know how much they would lose in terms of money?

And that is what irks me about the constant moaning.

They want people in, squeeze them for all they've got and then push them out forgetting as humans they'll fight tooth and nail to stay back and wouldn't even come if there are no perceived benefits or gains.

They would need to and should adopt a binary approach (shut your doors completely or leave it open).

They can take a play from the U.S's system where getting their student visa especially for those from third coloured world countries is more like a lottery or Canada's system that involves thorough scrutiny, checks and credibility.

This system of trying to let people in, getting them to invest heavily and cunningly look for ways to push them out is not sustainable.

People are not fools.

Lexusgs430:


It doesn't remain dormant..... Your old pension provider would continually invest balance(you would only lose out on the ability to top up)..... You can't invest your £20K into anything, because you have no direct access to it)......😜

OR

Move your pension to another pension provider(subject to provider's term's)..........

Thanks, Boss.

Guys please,

What can someone do if they suspect their current employer is bad mouthing them to prospective employers. Like whenever it gets to point of reference, the previous place employement is always sorted. However when it gets to current employer everything scatters it has happened with two people and with about 5 different prospective employers.

And this current employer is the one sponsoring them.

OmichaelO:
Guys please,

What can someone do if they suspect their current employer is bad mouthing them to prospective employers. Like whenever it gets to point of reference, the previous place employement is always sorted. However when it gets to current employer everything scatters it has happened with two people and with about 5 different prospective employers.

And this current employer is the one sponsoring them.

What level of evidence do you have, to substantiate this badmouthing allegation.........


https://www.gov.uk/work-reference

Goodday Seniors, I have been on my third interview for a teaching role in design and technology. Although I got almost 15-20 interview invite but I declined to those with sponsorship.

The locations of the schools I have done my interviews were East Finchley, Ilford and Mansfield Woodhouse.

The schools commended my subject knowledge and assessment, behaviour management but gave what I'd like to call flimsy excuses for reasons not to go ahead with hiring. One even said I did not address myself as 'Mr' to the student.

Where do you think I am getting things wrong?? I am refusing to attribute it to anything related to 'racism'.

Same thing with wifey, the hiring team for her admin role in NHS said loud and clear "sincerely, you ticked all the boxes and there is no area we can say you needed to improve but we are sorry, we are just unable to hire you" this was their response on phone call (phone on speaker, so i heard too), after she had gone for the interview.

What tips or advise can you give us, it's getting frustrating

headofschool:
Goodday Seniors, I have been on my third interview for a teaching role in design and technology. Although I got almost 15-20 interview invite but I declined to those with sponsorship.

The locations of the schools I have done my interviews were East Finchley, Ilford and Mansfield Woodhouse.

The schools commended my subject knowledge and assessment, behaviour management but gave what I'd like to call flimsy excuses for reasons not to go ahead with hiring. One even said I did not address myself as 'Mr' to the student.

Where do you think I am getting things wrong?? I am refusing to attribute it to anything related to 'racism'.

Same thing with wifey, the hiring team for her admin role in NHS said loud and clear "sincerely, you ticked all the boxes and there is no area we can say you needed to improve but we are sorry, we are just unable to hire you" this was their response on phone call (phone on speaker, so i heard too), after she had gone for the interview.

What tips or advise can you give us, it's getting frustrating

I’m glad you did not see this racially even if it’s, don’t give up applying for more jobs, you are getting closer, getting more interviews is a good sign.

The only tip I may give is to ask for a feedback after rejection email. Ask them to tell you any area they think you need to improve on going forward.

Thanks @justwise

They do give feedback and its always on the spot for my role. What I don't understand is why such little detail will be a means for not progressing when he ticks major boxes like subject knowledge, assessment, behaviour management. Lessons can't be 100% for a new teacher.

What about those who gave feedback to wifey and said "no area in particular is needed for improvement"?

justwise:


I’m glad you did not see this racially even if it’s, don’t give up applying for more jobs, you are getting closer, getting more interviews is a good sign.

The only tip I may give is to ask for a feedback after rejection email. Ask them to tell you any area they think you need to improve on going forward.

OmichaelO:
Guys please,

What can someone do if they suspect their current employer is bad mouthing them to prospective employers. Like whenever it gets to point of reference, the previous place employement is always sorted. However when it gets to current employer everything scatters it has happened with two people and with about 5 different prospective employers.

And this current employer is the one sponsoring them.

For such a place, I will advise you use a friendly supervisor rather then HR for reference.

headofschool:
Goodday Seniors, I have been on my third interview for a teaching role in design and technology. Although I got almost 15-20 interview invite but I declined to those with sponsorship.

The locations of the schools I have done my interviews were East Finchley, Ilford and Mansfield Woodhouse.

The schools commended my subject knowledge and assessment, behaviour management but gave what I'd like to call flimsy excuses for reasons not to go ahead with hiring. One even said I did not address myself as 'Mr' to the student.

Where do you think I am getting things wrong?? I am refusing to attribute it to anything related to 'racism'.

Same thing with wifey, the hiring team for her admin role in NHS said loud and clear "sincerely, you ticked all the boxes and there is no area we can say you needed to improve but we are sorry, we are just unable to hire you" this was their response on phone call (phone on speaker, so i heard too), after she had gone for the interview.

What tips or advise can you give us, it's getting frustrating

Some employers are actively looking for something extra that goes beyond hard skills or experience - for example, someone they believe will be the "right fit" for the team and organisation. The right fit criteria is not anything a candidate can prep for per se, it's largely time and chance.

Another factor to bear in mind is that there is likely to be stiffer competition (especially among immigrants) for teaching and NHS roles due to the lower sponsorship threshold/exemptions.

If they haven't given you any negative feedback or highlighted areas of improvement, then just keep trying and applying and wait for the right one to click.

headofschool:
Thanks @justwise

They do give feedback and its always on the spot for my role. What I don't understand is why such little detail will be a means for not progressing when he ticks major boxes like subject knowledge, assessment, behaviour management. Lessons can't be 100% for a new teacher.

What about those who gave feedback to wifey and said "no area in particular is needed for improvement"?

This is what happens when employers are spoilt for choices, it happens from time to time especially with increased number of immigrants too many people are chasing very few job positions. Like i said before don't give up because you have something that attracts those interviews.

Just an addition to the feedback pathway: If you still have about a year left on your visa, I suggest considering opportunities beyond sponsorship roles in London alone. Be open to roles that don't require sponsorship and be willing to relocate if appropriate to gain suitable UK experience. This will give you an edge when a better or the right opportunity comes along.

justwise:


I’m glad you did not see this racially even if it’s, don’t give up applying for more jobs, you are getting closer, getting more interviews is a good sign.

The only tip I may give is to ask for a feedback after rejection email. Ask them to tell you any area they think you need to improve on going forward.

headofschool:
Goodday Seniors, I have been on my third interview for a teaching role in design and technology. Although I got almost 15-20 interview invite but I declined to those with sponsorship.

The locations of the schools I have done my interviews were East Finchley, Ilford and Mansfield Woodhouse.

The schools commended my subject knowledge and assessment, behaviour management but gave what I'd like to call flimsy excuses for reasons not to go ahead with hiring. One even said I did not address myself as 'Mr' to the student.

Where do you think I am getting things wrong?? I am refusing to attribute it to anything related to 'racism'.

Same thing with wifey, the hiring team for her admin role in NHS said loud and clear "sincerely, you ticked all the boxes and there is no area we can say you needed to improve but we are sorry, we are just unable to hire you" this was their response on phone call (phone on speaker, so i heard too), after she had gone for the interview.

What tips or advise can you give us, it's getting frustrating

Hey, don’t give up.

Something very similar happened to me. The interviewers and HR said I ticked all boxes, they want me, no negative feedback, bla bla. However, they took someone else who also ticked all boxes and maybe had something a little extra than what I had or displayed.

You’re on the right track and you both will land the desired jobs soon.

I know you may have been doing it already, but pay more attention to the soft skills listed in the advert or their website. E.g. if they mention anything about “humour”, try and throw in one safe joke if possible while answering a question.

If your gap year is explained/justified, it shouldn't be an issue.

eniola1010:


okay understood, but that is quite dicey, because a lot of us after coming into uk were not in IT niche for like a year or two, so there will be a gap, hope the gap wont be an issue in the application stage.

Lexusgs430:


What's the difference between racism and tribalism........ 🤣😛

The amount of tribalism we inflict upon ourselves in Nigeria, cannot be quantified or justified...... Small racism we are victims of in the UK, we want to blow the house down, but shoulder tribalism in Nigeria, with our full chest............ 🤣😂😜

In Nigeria, you tribalise me I tribalise you, you discriminate me based on race I return the energy a hundred fold. But here, if you discriminate me racially, what will I do? I then become vulnerable and that is the difference.

And for the records, we are trying to fight tribalism in Nigeria.

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wonlasewonimi:


No be when you get excess money you go send home? If e like e reach N10k to £1, if money no dey shingbai no dey fly anywhere

Wahala o 😀😀😀

But you can send your pounds (like salary) to naira and save in naira for when it appreciate, then you change back to pounds and make profit.