I know we've discussed on numerous cases the ethnic identity crises in some parts of Anioma. We know that Ika areas have an identity crises. I was shocked when i was told by Emeka Esogbue that Anioma is an ethnic group and not part of the Igbo ethnic group. This guy has single handedly created an ethnic group by himself and it seems some Anioma people are buying into it. I know that majority of Asaba, Ibusa and it's enviorons are proud Igbos but it shook me when Emeka, an Ibusa Indegene told me that Anioma is an ethnic group. I want to employ Anioma people especially those from the Asaba and Ibusa axis to let their voices heard in order to checkmate Emeka Esogbue because it seems his followers are increasing by the day. We don't want Anioma to go the way of Ikwerre.

afam4eva: I know we've discussed on numerous cases the ethnic identity crises in some parts of Anioma. We know that Ika areas have an identity crises. I was shocked when i was told by Emeka Esogbue that Anioma is an ethnic group and not part of the Igbo ethnic group. This guy has single handedly created an ethnic group by himself and it seems some Anioma people are buying into it. I know that majority of Asaba, Ibusa and it's enviorons are proud Igbos but it shook me when Emeka, an Ibusa Indegene told me that Anioma is an ethnic group. I want to employ Anioma people especially those from the Asaba and Ibusa axis to let their voices heard in order to checkmate Emeka Esogbue because it seems his followers are increasing by the day. We don't want Anioma to go the way of Ikwerre.

What do you expect from a man so much influenced by no 1 anti Igbo element in Anioma-Kunirum Ossia. When a man begins to worship Kunirum, what then do you expect. Very shameful.

Andre Uweh:
What do you expect from a man so much influenced by no 1 anti Igbo element in Anioma-Kunirum Ossia. When a man begins to worship Kunirum, what then do you expect. Very shameful.

To think that not too long ago this same man was pro-Igbo. I think he has to be checkmated before he goes too far. I had a heated argument with him yesterday.

afam4eva: I know we've discussed on numerous cases the ethnic identity crises in some parts of Anioma. We know that Ika areas have an identity crises. I was shocked when i was told by Emeka Esogbue that Anioma is an ethnic group and not part of the Igbo ethnic group. This guy has single handedly created an ethnic group by himself and it seems some Anioma people are buying into it. I know that majority of Asaba, Ibusa and it's enviorons are proud Igbos but it shook me when Emeka, an Ibusa Indegene told me that Anioma is an ethnic group. I want to employ Anioma people especially
those from the Asaba and Ibusa axis to let their voices heard in order to checkmate Emeka Esogbue because
it seems his followers are increasing by the day. We don't want Anioma to go the way of Ikwerre.

Who are the we,Afam
what would the "we " do if indeed all Anioma people choose to be known as Anioma ethnic group ?

#just asking#

afam4eva:
To think that not too long ago this same man was pro-Igbo. I think he has to be checkmated before he goes too far. I had a heated argument with him yesterday.

No worries, there are more pro Igbo than anti Igbo ones. Trust me.
Even all those their Obis were at the last Igbo day celebration. All of them from Ika to Kwale.

ifyalways:
Who are the we,Afam
what would the "we " do if indeed all Anioma people choose to be known as Anioma ethnic group ?

#just asking#

The Ahagba of Asaba is a member of Ohaneze, so are many traditional rulers in Anioma. That's evident that they're Igbos. But Emeka is trying everything he can to create a new identity for Anioma which will not happen with people like myself alive.

ifyalways:
Who are the we,Afam
what would the "we " do if indeed all Anioma people choose to be known as Anioma ethnic group ?

#just asking#

I think the 'we' here means Ndigbo which includes Anioma.

Andre Uweh:
No worries, there are more pro Igbo than anti Igbo ones. Trust me.
Even all those their Obis were at the last Igbo day celebration. All of them from Ika to Kwale.

I know that there are more pro-Igbos than anti Igbos but are there voices being heard? Emeka Esogbue is very respected in Anioma and with the respect he wields it will be easy for him to cajole them into accepting this identity that he created in the comfort of his bedroom.

afam4eva:
The Ahagba of Asaba is a member of Ohaneze, so are many traditional rulers in Anioma. That's evident that they're Igbos. But Emeka is trying everything he can to create a new identity for Anioma which will not happen with people like myself alive.

Recently, he has been eulogising Kunirum Ossia, so that shows you his recent reasoning. Believe me, he is wasting his time. Kunirum as a result of anti Igbo rants has lost every position he held in Anioma politics in America. Are you not surprised how Kunirum was disgrased and chased out of office in America?.

Isn't this guy a historian?

Anyway, Afam, how did he tell you this? By phone, email, letter, or mouth?

odumchi: Isn't this guy a historian?

Anyway, Afam, how did he tell you this? By phone, email, letter, or mouth?

On facebook.

odumchi: Isn't this guy a historian?

Anyway, Afam, how did he tell you this? By phone, email, letter, or mouth?

I think the chap is getting more confused everyday. When Igbo groups call him to do a presentation, he turns Igbo. When he visits anti Igbo elements then he says they are not Igbo.
double-face.

I and many other high ranking Igbos are quite sentimental when it comes to Anioma. Ikwerre and Ogba are less of a talk when serious Igbo issues are discussed but not Anioma. The whole "Igbos are bad", "Igbos killed other tribes leaders", "Igbos are greedy for power", "Igbos staged the 1st coup in Nigeria", polgrom and massacre of Igbos in the 1960s and the resultant civil war were as a result of what the Anioma did which the whole Igbos accepted the blame and faced the consequences till date.

I have read some of the articles written by these shameless man; I should say this man has the most inferiority complex i have ever come accross. And did i hear somebody say he is a historian?? What a shame and disgrace to the college of history he went to. A historian who believe Anioma is an ethnic group! Smh.

Ochi yie

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1. is igbo an ethnic group? if the ansewer is yes then anioma too can become an ethnic group if we say so , as igbo was crafted with the help of europeans ,just like yoruba and others including my beloved ika ethnic group , and i know this will hurt many igbos .
2. ika people dont have identity crisis it is igbos that are suffering from hallucination of thinking ika is igbo , and may be your people want to build a new empire , when benin empire has even falling .and sokoto caliphate is no more.
please wake up , even during the time of benin empire , it was ika people that were batlling them in most cases .
3. you are making a vague claim , which ika obi is a member of ohazneze ndigbo ? please mention his name and kingdom in ika ? and it shows you are just an igbo man from accross the river niger ,and you are not from delta , because if you are you will know that ndokwa people dont have obi , what they have is okpala-uku,so get that .
4. please igbo people were are you people from ?
igbos claim they are from nri
2. they claim they are from igbo ukwu
3. igbos also claim they are from isreal ,
as an all knowing race ,who can tell ika people where they come from , please where are you from

Ochi yie!!!! ... ike onu Anioma to..

afam4eva:
To think that not too long ago this same man was pro-Igbo. I think he has to be checkmated before he goes too far. I had a heated argument with him yesterday.

I don't know much about the man but I have read one of his article and one thing that stood out to me in the article was where he mentioned we call ourselves Igbo but they call us Fake Igbos. Now reading this your statement that he used to be pro-igbo. It explains alot. Someone from SE probably said something that hit harder than a punch on a stomach.

agbotaen: 1. is igbo an ethnic group? if the ansewer is yes then anioma too can become an ethnic group if we say so , as igbo was crafted with the help of europeans ,just like yoruba and others including my beloved ika ethnic group , and i know this will hurt many igbos .
2. ika people dont have identity crisis it is igbos that are suffering from hallucination of thinking ika is igbo , and may be your people want to build a new empire , when benin empire has even falling .and sokoto caliphate is no more.
please wake up , even during the time of benin empire , it was ika people that were batlling them in most cases .
3. you are making a vague claim , which ika obi is a member of ohazneze ndigbo ? please mention his name and kingdom in ika ? and it shows you are just an igbo man from accross the river niger ,and you are not from delta , because if you are you will know that ndokwa people dont have obi , what they have is okpala-uku,so get that .
4. please igbo people were are you people from ?
igbos claim they are from nri
2. they claim they are from igbo ukwu
3. igbos also claim they are from isreal ,
as an all knowing race ,who can tell ika people where they come from , please where are you from

Agbotaen,

In reference to the first line in your list, do not ever let me hear you say Yoruba was created by European. If you want to solicit igbo empathy do so for your own sake but not at the cost of Yoruba nation. We were a nation before any other ethnic group in Nigeria could distinguish their front from their back....

You dont want to upset me my friend.

One_Naira:

I don't know much about the man but I have read one of his article and one thing that stood out to me in the article was where he mentioned we call ourselves Igbo but they call us Fake Igbos. Now reading this your statement that he used to be pro-igbo. It explains alot. Someone from SE probably said something that hit harder than a punch on a stomach.

So, if someone from Anambra says something about me, will that make me to start forming my own ethnic group?

afam4eva:
So, if someone from Anambra says something about me, will that make me to start forming my own ethnic group?

Afam4eva you guys do not realize how much impact that word has. Many of the deniers go along the route of "I'm not Igbo" because of that two words. Remember that one statement from obi of owa, he said something like we are stretching our hands to reconnect, it is SE Igbo that are holding back and. refusing to reconnect. I can't remember he's exact words but it is something similar to that. The term "fake igbo" kinda gives the impression that una do not see us as one of you but rather a set of ppl that have no identity and trying to force ourselves onto una. Which sadly, I've witness many SE igbo even the usa born say. Few months ago, i went to a Nigerian gathering. It was mostly delta ppl, one yoruba, the girl from imo state, an onitsha chick and my sister and I. The conservation got into about delta igbo. Exactly the same thing you started a topic on, why are delta igbo not just called igbo. I don't remember what motivated her to say this but all i remember is the edo chick said something and the imo state girl said "well they are not igbo. They call themselves igbo" addressing that word to delta igbo. Sad thing is this girl was born and raised in usa so her mindset shouldn't be like that. Luckily, the onitsha jumped in and corrected her before we did. Yes that word, those two words have a lot of impact. It is idiotic to think like that but what do you except a person to think when you are constantly called fake, wannabe, etc.

One_Naira:

Afam4eva you guys do not realize how much impact that word has. Many of the deniers go along the route of "I'm not Igbo" because of that two words. Remember that one statement from obi of owa, he said something like we are stretching our hands to reconnect, it is SE Igbo that are holding back and. refusing to reconnect. I can't remember he's exact words but it is something similar to that. The term "fake igbo" kinda gives the impression that una do not see us as one of you but rather a set of ppl that have no identity and trying to force ourselves onto una. Which sadly, I've witness many SE igbo even the usa born say. Few months ago, i went to a Nigerian gathering. It was mostly delta ppl, one yoruba, the girl from imo state, an onitsha chick and my sister and I. The conservation got into about delta igbo. Exactly the same thing you started a topic on, why are delta igbo not just called igbo. I don't remember what motivated her to say this but all i remember is the edo chick said something and the imo state girl said "well they are not igbo. They call themselves igbo" addressing that word to delta igbo. Sad thing is this girl was born and raised in usa so her mindset shouldn't be like that. Luckily, the onitsha jumped in and corrected her before we did. Yes that word, those two words have a lot of impact. It is idiotic to think like that but what do you except a person to think when you are constantly called fake, wannabe, etc.

I don't like it when you try to make it seem as if Anioma people are trying to be Igbo. You can't be trying to be what you are already. What right does someone from Imo or Enugu have to tell a Delta Igbo that they are fake Igbos. Why not Delta-Igbos telling an an Imo or Enugu person that they are fake Igbos. You don't allow people make you feel inferior in any way because you're equally Igbo. The only reason they will say that could be because of the body language they've been reading from some Anioma people. Anioma people have to be IGBO and proud and not be somewhere in the middle. Some weeks back i asked a woman what tribe she is and she said Delta. I told her that Delta is not a tribe and she said she's from Agbor. It looked as though she was dodging to say she's IGBO. I now told her that since she's from Agbor that she's IGBO and she reluctantly agreeed. It's that kind of disinterestedness that makes people call them fake Igbos. Not that i'm justifying it anyway. As for Emeka Esogbue, i find his own annoying because he's from Ibusa, one of the parts of Anioma that have never had any problem with their identity.

agbotaen: 1. is igbo an ethnic group? if the ansewer is yes then anioma too can become an ethnic group if we say so , as igbo was crafted with the help of europeans ,just like yoruba and others including my beloved ika ethnic group , and i know this will hurt many igbos .
2. ika people dont have identity crisis it is igbos that are suffering from hallucination of thinking ika is igbo , and may be your people want to build a new empire , when benin empire has even falling .and sokoto caliphate is no more.
please wake up , even during the time of benin empire , it was ika people that were batlling them in most cases .
3. you are making a vague claim , which ika obi is a member of ohazneze ndigbo ? please mention his name and kingdom in ika ? and it shows you are just an igbo man from accross the river niger ,and you are not from delta , because if you are you will know that ndokwa people dont have obi , what they have is okpala-uku,so get that .
4. please igbo people were are you people from ?
igbos claim they are from nri
2. they claim they are from igbo ukwu
3. igbos also claim they are from isreal ,
as an all knowing race ,who can tell ika people where they come from , please where are you from

People of Ika are from Edo. They were runaway slaves who escaped the death swords of ritual practitioners. They were very lucky to have sneaked under the radar of Ishan.

One_Naira:

I don't know much about the man but I have read one of his article and one thing that stood out to me in the article was where he mentioned we call ourselves Igbo but they call us Fake Igbos. Now reading this your statement that he used to be pro-igbo. It explains alot. Someone from SE probably said something that hit harder than a punch on a stomach.

Bros, if someone who had enough to drink calls a person “fake Igbo” and the addressee starts acting like a fake, the addresser saw the sign of fake on the addressee. I am Igbo and there is no amount of name-calling such as “fake Igbo” will spur me to behave like a fake or deny my ancestral identity.

In fact, I do not blame anybody but the contraption called Nigeria. Nigeria must be disintegrated for real nation states to be formed.

One Naira, who cares about 'fake Igbo'. If you think you're Igbo, then whatever. If you don't then kudos to you. If we were to point fingers though then I would gladly remind you that the nomenclature 'fake Igbo' didn't exist until after the civil war, and the reasoning ought not surprise any of us.

Ha biko kwa nu. I was not blaming nor pointing fingers at anyone. I was just giving input and trying to explain to afam about what usually turns a "pro-igbo" anioma into a "I'm not Igbo" kind of person. Yes to SE being called fake-igbo is nothing to get all bent over about and it's nothing to worry yourselves over but to SS Igbo, that word holds a lot of negative meaning. There are some strong enough to take it while there are those that aren't. It kinda similar to how many of una get all bent out of shape when Anambra peeps speaks of their self-made superiority to the rest of Igbo clan and how they are the father of Igbo people. Some of una are able to take that insult while some are unable to do so thus lash out against Anambra people.

Anybody from the so-called south-south who attempts to deny his\her Igbo ancestral identity did so under the pressure of inferior mentality, trying to impress distracters, due to the outcome of Nigeria\Biafra civil war, in order to be accepted by deceitful enemies and inherent laziness.

1. many nigerians like to think that their ethnic groups came from heaven or the names were pronounced by god and this is a lie ,
2. 200 years ago ,almost all the major nigerian ethnic groups were not in existence and that include yoruba, ika, igbo, bini, ishan, ijaw and the rest , it was british influence that helped concretise many of these groups, what we had were kingdoms and empires like benin empire which included most southern nigeria ,ika, bini, ishan, uhrobho, isoko, itsekiri, and many anioma and some yoruba areas like ondo,akure, owo and others, and we had kanem bornu empire, sokoto caliphate and others , then later even agbor kingdom included many communities in edo and delta ,and then we had abor kingdom too ,and we also had oyo empire which included many yoruba towns and even dahomey in benin republic , so as at this time where was yoruba? where was igbo ? where was ijaw or others , the answer is they did not exist as an ethnic group like they are today, but these people existed as city states like opobo, okrika, owa kingdom, abavo kingdom, owo kingdom, onitcha kingdom and others .so let all this people take note , it was even the british that started classifying people as igbo and they classified them according to some culture traits, linguistic evidence and some times because of politics, so as time went on they aslo helped to create the standard igbo many speak via christianity and education ,by combinning many dialects together .and this they also did to the isoko by calling them uhrobo and this lasted for a while untill the isoko people asserted their ethnic nationality.
so there is no ethnicity that was brought from heaven it is man made and so a people who think they are distinct can establish their own ethnic identity.just like ishan and bini speak similar languages but they are different ethnic group.

One_Naira:

Afam4eva you guys do not realize how much impact that word has. Many of the deniers go along the route of "I'm not Igbo" because of that two words. Remember that one statement from obi of owa, he said something like we are stretching our hands to reconnect, it is SE Igbo that are holding back and. refusing to reconnect. I can't remember he's exact words but it is something similar to that. The term "fake igbo" kinda gives the impression that una do not see us as one of you but rather a set of ppl that have no identity and trying to force ourselves onto una. Which sadly, I've witness many SE igbo even the usa born say. Few months ago, i went to a Nigerian gathering. It was mostly delta ppl, one yoruba, the girl from imo state, an onitsha chick and my sister and I. The conservation got into about delta igbo. Exactly the same thing you started a topic on, why are delta igbo not just called igbo. I don't remember what motivated her to say this but all i remember is the edo chick said something and the imo state girl said "well they are not igbo. They call themselves igbo" addressing that word to delta igbo. Sad thing is this girl was born and raised in usa so her mindset shouldn't be like that. Luckily, the onitsha jumped in and corrected her before we did. Yes that word, those two words have a lot of impact. It is idiotic to think like that but what do you except a person to think when you are constantly called fake, wannabe, etc.

though afam has addressed this issue, i just want to tell u that any body that call u fake, also call the person fake. My dialect has also been tagged fake by a deltan. Akazue will speak his dialect but when u speak urs he will be the first to condemn it and tell u, "nwoke igbo gi a kulu olu" even when i use to think the guy was from anambra i never felt bad.

agbotaen: 1. many nigerians like to think that their ethnic groups came from heaven or the names were pronounced by god and this is a lie ,
2. 200 years ago ,almost all the major nigerian ethnic groups were not in existence and that include yoruba, ika, igbo, bini, ishan, ijaw and the rest , it was british influence that helped concretise many of these groups, what we had were kingdoms and empires like benin empire which included most southern nigeria ,ika, bini, ishan, uhrobho, isoko, itsekiri, and many anioma and some yoruba areas like ondo,akure, owo and others, and we had kanem bornu empire, sokoto caliphate and others , then later even agbor kingdom included many communities in edo and delta ,and then we had abor kingdom too ,and we also had oyo empire which included many yoruba towns and even dahomey in benin republic , so as at this time where was yoruba? where was igbo ? where was ijaw or others , the answer is they did not exist as an ethnic group like they are today, but these people existed as city states like opobo, okrika, owa kingdom, abavo kingdom, owo kingdom, onitcha kingdom and others .so let all this people take note , it was even the british that started classifying people as igbo and they classified them according to some culture traits, linguistic evidence and some times because of politics, so as time went on they aslo helped to create the standard igbo many speak via christianity and education ,by combinning many dialects together .and this they also did to the isoko by calling them uhrobo and this lasted for a while untill the isoko people asserted their ethnic nationality.
so there is no ethnicity that was brought from heaven it is man made and so a people who think they are distinct can establish their own ethnic identity.just like ishan and bini speak similar languages but they are different ethnic group.

While you might be right in reality, your motives however nullifies your contribution.