AutomaticMotors:


Keep drowning in your delusion! You have been at it for over 10yrs now u clearly don't exist for anything else .... Jobless Uhundan continue

Uegbeho!!

Such a false from the servants of Oba Bini😆😋

Fact is fact. Hence, I see all of you edos of Bini language speakers who deny the ancestry of Oba as comedians

Below is another evidence that Izoduwa is a fraud as well as concocted falsification of Oba Binis claiming Odudua.

Odudua is of Yoruba origin from Ileife and not bini, according to Biini Dictionary 😃😃😄

Masquerade of ɔɣɛnɛ (Ooni of ileife) Oghene

aswani:
This Ọba is a Yoruba man, his subjects are Benin people needs clarification and I'll summarise as I myself have inadvertently made the mistake myself too.

Izoduwa is Benin Royalty, he went to rule in Ilé ìfẹ́ (You can Google the circumstances and I have also detailed it in a post on another thread).

His was then begged/asked to come back to his proper throne in Benin but refused and as a concession sent his son to rule there.

The son found the natives tough to rule over and left to go back to Ile Ife after leaving a son behind (Ọba Eweka) from a Bini mother.

As long as we can all agree that Izoduwa is a Benin man of royal descent, how can anyone say his descendants who have ruled over Benin are Yoruba? Granted they have Yoruba blood through one of their ancestral females (presumably Izoduwa's wife) but they are all Benin men.

All Ohiọnbá should please accept the truth and desist with calling the Ọba (gha to kpere baba) Yoruba in order not to end up having to drink water in the palace.

Have you ever heard about a town called Ughoton before? Go and read about the history of Ughoton and you will see the true picture of Ekaladerhan the missing Prince.

Konquest:

Are you saying oke ora is an ancient kingdom as old as Ife and Benin kingdoms?
I guess oke ora came from Ife and if we are to go by the kingdom at the east of Ife, then that should be pointing at Benin kingdom

Shattuck:
lies the ooni does not bear the title oba historically the title ooni,alaafin is the title not oba. 2. Oba is a title specifically used to address the ruler of Benin kingdom as it is not a Yoruba word by origin maybe borrowed before if oba truly means king alot of your kings would be address by the oba title, only the oba of lagos who is a descendant of Benin goes by that title,. 3 oba word is just like the word priest, or deacon or archbishop, it does not have generic meaning as it is specially reserved for the ruler of the Benin kingdom just like deacon is specially used in Christianity, my guess on how oba came to be part of your Yoruba lexicon is that it is a modern word probably gotten from the oba of lagos title which signifies king and you just added it to your prefix, lastly if you Agree your kingship is by rotation which justifies the historical facts of how a Benin prince at one time became the ooni of ife, ours is by lineage, and and the Benin kingdom has always been like that, now if ife and Benin never went to war and Benin was never conquered how then would you even imagine that they would just hand over their kingship to an outsider, think am now, a people that does not practice true monarchy go come give you monarchy when you already had a civilization that is passed on through blood.

Guess your history is poor.

There was true monarchy at a time.
For example, in the Oyo empire, Kings were succeded by their firstborn sons.
This was later changed to prevent the heirs murdering their fathers for a quick ascension.

As such the firstborn died with the king.

Also a senate was firmed to prevent the king from having excessive power and he could be impeached.

Also after a while, since many families in the royal lineage had tasted power over time-- through normal ascension, fratricide, or regicide, a plan to rotate power started.

Saying there was no true monarchy is hogwash.

Raf4:


Have you ever heard about a town called Ughoton before? Go and read about the history of Ughoyo and you will see the true picture of Ekaladerhan the missing Prince.

Gwatto was founded by Ekaleradan , the only son of Ogiso Owodo 😃😃😃 in 11th century and not odudua who had died thousands of years beforeOranmiyan's 1170s invasion of Igodomigodo

As at the time of Oranmiyan coming to Igodomigodo cum Edo, Obá Olùfọn (Ọbálùfọn) was on the throne as Olúfẹ̀😉

Some Edos are bunch of liars

santaclaws:


Everything I wrote is 100% fact-based. The entire Benin kingdom is a parody of Yoruba land. The beads, the bronze, the sculpting, everything is from Ile Ife in Yoruba land.

Learn your history from reputable sources, not somewhere in Edo state where they brainwash you all.

mind you in ancient times there was nothing like youruba land it is either ife or oyo or Ogbomosho, and the Benin kingdom was larger in size and might to the ife kingdom and was more organized as it was a true monarchy how then did an ife kingdom which was smaller in size and number and which doesn't even practice a true monarchy come to found and create a monarchy in Benin kingdom, your lies and your misconception is to equate this to Benin vs the entire Yoruba race, which is false it is Benin vs ile ife and the Benin kingdom was larger than ife and more organized maybe ife got to influence other kingdoms which made up the entire Yoruba race today.

Shattuck:
omo means child in Benin, an oba is not a traditional Yoruba word,it is a borrowed word from the Benin kingdom, omoN oba N edo means child of the king of Benin, if oba means king in Yorubaland how come non of your king bear the oba as title? Except the oba of lagos who is a descendant of the benin kingdom, you claim ife gave Benin a king, how come ife has never been ruled by one lineage or family even since ancient times, it has always been rotated, even in ife today the kingship is been rotated. How can you give people a monarchy when you don't even know who your monarch is?

There is no Oba of Lagos...its the Eleko of Eko...what is the meaning on Lagos in Benin Language?

AutomaticMotors:


This is the full video !! Watch it again!! Next time look for the legit source not cut and join propaganda false videos posted by ur yoruba ppl!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lpgL7dZh0w?si=C5vhR_fkX7pXBRBx

The Oba of Benin clearly stated ODUDUWA WAS AN EXILED BENIN PRINCE!!

He is lying.
There is no record of any exiled price in any history book. Even the Ogiamen (the real Bini people) said an exiled prince dies not exist in their history.

If he sure for you, post any historical book that talks of the exiled prince called Oduduwa or erakadehran....

HBB1:



Guess your history is poor.

There was true monarchy at a time.
For example, in the Oyo empire, Kings were succeded by their firstborn sons.
This was later changed to prevent the heirs murdering their fathers for a quick ascension.

As such the firstborn died with the king.

Also a senate was firmed to prevent the king from having excessive power and he could be impeached.

Also after a while, since many families in the royal lineage had tasted power over time-- through normal ascension, fratricide, or regicide, a plan to rotate power started.

Saying there was no true monarchy is hogwash.

I believe the history of a bini prince who became ruler of ife, and returned you guys always assume the benin story as Benin vs Yoruba race, no it was Benin vs ife and ife was a smaller kingdom in size and number compared to the Benin kingdom. Guess you agree with my other points.

Goodlady:

The truth is Benins in recent times are hurt that their King has Yoruba heritage.
It's like Ilorin Yorubas feeling painment a Fulani is their king. Whichever way, we need peaceful coexistence and that stupîd story of Ekaladerhan should be buried. It's from savage Bini people who can't change history.

Gbam.

Shattuck:
I believe the history of a bini prince who became ruler of ife, and returned you guys always assume the benin story as Benin vs Yoruba race, no it was Benin vs ife and ife was a smaller kingdom in size and number compared to the Benin kingdom. Guess you agree with my other points.

That history doesn't exist. A story that started spreading a few years ago is not history.

Ife was bigger than Benin in the 12the century. Benin did not started increasing in size until the 15th century. And Oyo even became bigger than Bini.

Even ife sent the Benin the people that taught them the artwork that was already existing in ife

It's highly Dubious & hypocritical of yoruba to lay claim to beni because their king answers Oba but turn around to accuse ndigbo of laying claim to ikwerre even thought their kings bear Igwe & Eze, and their towns carry igbo names. Yoruba stay in your lane- always looking to reap from where you did not sow

43Ronin:
It's highly Dubious & hypocritical of yoruba to lay claim to beni because their king answers Oba but turn around to accuse ndigbo of laying claim to ikwerre even thought their kings bear Igwe & Eze, and their towns carry igbo names. Yoruba stay in your lane- always looking to reap from where you did not sow

Nobody is laying claim to Benin. A minority Edoid tribe.

What they claimed and as confirmed by their Oba is the royal stool of Benin which is confirmed by the Oba himself. Or is Oranmiyan an Ibo or Hausa man?

Shattuck:
mind you in ancient times there was nothing like youruba land it is either ife or oyo or Ogbomosho, and the Benin kingdom was larger in size and might to the ife kingdom and was more organized as it was a true monarchy how then did an ife kingdom which was smaller in size and number and which doesn't even practice a true monarchy come to found and create a monarchy in Benin kingdom, your lies and your misconception is to equate this to Benin vs the entire Yoruba race, which is false it is Benin vs ile ife and the Benin kingdom was larger than ife and more organized maybe ife got to influence other kingdoms which made up the entire Yoruba race today.

Yea, there was nothing like "Yoruba land" but we all knew ourselves as "Omo Oduduwa" and we all spoke the same language. The major kingdom in Yoruba land was the Oyo kingdom and Ile Ife was more of our ancestral home.

I know my history, but you seem not to know yours well, partly because it's been laced with false narratives by your ancestral rulers. All the same, you're free to believe what you want.

Adios ✌🏾

Raf4:


Have you ever heard about a town called Ughoton before? Go and read about the history of Ughoyo and you will see the true picture of Ekaladerhan the missing Prince.

Of course I have heard of it, what exactly are you disputing from what I wrote?

Danand1:

Shattuck:
lies the ooni does not bear the title oba historically the title ooni,alaafin is the title not oba. 2. Oba is a title specifically used to address the ruler of Benin kingdom as it is not a Yoruba word by origin maybe borrowed before if oba truly means king alot of your kings would be address by the oba title, only the oba of lagos who is a descendant of Benin goes by that title,. 3 oba word is just like the word priest, or deacon or archbishop, it does not have generic meaning as it is specially reserved for the ruler of the Benin kingdom just like deacon is specially used in Christianity, my guess on how oba came to be part of your Yoruba lexicon is that it is a modern word probably gotten from the oba of lagos title which signifies king and you just added it to your prefix, lastly if you Agree your kingship is by rotation which justifies the historical facts of how a Benin prince at one time became the ooni of ife, ours is by lineage, and and the Benin kingdom has always been like that, now if ife and Benin never went to war and Benin was never conquered how then would you even imagine that they would just hand over their kingship to an outsider, think am now, a people that does not practice true monarchy go come give you monarchy when you already had a civilization that is passed on through blood.

HBB1:



🤣

You are not making sense.
There is a direct translation of Oba in Yoruba and you can see this in other words.

Oba is a generic word for King, while Ooni or Alaafin are specific.
Same way King is generic and Caesar or Pharaoh are specific.

You can usually tell where a word comes from by association.

So let's check what the Benin words for the other words I used are?

What is benin word for Policeman and Okada rider?

It should follow the pattern for King (Oba)-- owner authority.

Policeman (Olopa)-- owner of the stick

Okada ride (Olokada)-- owner of the motorcycle.

Undestand?

Ife had oba titles. Oba-lufon and Oba-tala predates Oduduwa.

santaclaws:


What I wrote up there can only be understood- and subsequently- agreed to or challenged by the royal families in Benin kingdom.

When people break away from a particular kingdom, they tend to severe links between themselves and their principals.

Everyone with a working brain knows Yoruba kingdom gave birth to lots of ethnic groups like Itsekiri, Bini, Ilaje etc. You can keep challenging the facts, it doesn't change anything.

Cheers.

Who exactly are you that only the Royal family can challenge your (false) assertions in Nairaland.

Your only proof that Bini, Ilaje and Itsekiri came from Yoruba is that everyone with a working brain knows. You that you have a working brain, I am so surprised you can't see how nonsensical your argument sounds.

Anyway nutin spoil.

Shattuck:
I believe the history of a bini prince who became ruler of ife, and returned you guys always assume the benin story as Benin vs Yoruba race, no it was Benin vs ife and ife was a smaller kingdom in size and number compared to the Benin kingdom. Guess you agree with my other points.

Agree with what points?
You are not making sense.

You believe something that cannot be proven.
You know what is proven.

About the Ife Kingdom, you need to read about it.
It was actually a empire and was notable in the 1200s AD.
Thinking small Ile-Ife was the whole of the Ife empire is laughable!

In all, this your analogy does not make sense.
So because Oyo empire was way larger than Ife, means Ife could not have birthed it?

Come on man!

Read, think, think!

Danand1:

Are you saying oke ora is an ancient kingdom as old as Ife and Benin kingdoms?
I guess oke ora came from Ife and if we are to go by the kingdom at the east of Ife, then that should be pointing at Benin kingdom

Oke Ora is located within Osun State not far from Ife (Ufe), that is 8 kilometres (5 miles) EAST of Ife (Ufe) and there were other settlements in what is now Yorubaland before Oduduwa was even born and he originally came from Oke Ora. There were people in Ife before the rise of the Oduduwa Dynasty in Ife and Ife had 2 other dynasties before the Oduduwa dynasty. The presence of Obatala as a traditional ruler in what is now Ife is just one of the evidence that shows that the Obaship or kingship system existed long before Oduduwa came from Oke Ora, and he continued the Obaship tradition.

=>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oke_Ora

I must add that the descent of Oduduwa from his place of origin in Oke Ora in Osun State is mythologized as the descent from the sky. Everyone in Ife and outside Ife knows it's NOT to be interpreted as a literal descent from the sky but it's just a religious deification or allegory of the arrival of Oduduwa from Oke Ora to Ife and this is why every new Oba (Ooni of Ife) has to go to Oke Ora as part of the traditional rites of coronation.

=>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oke_Ora


Heck, even the Ogiso (now Ogiamien) family CLEARLY stated in this 2018 Guardian article below that Oduduwa was NOT from Igodomigo as being claimed of recent by the Benin Royal Palace but was of pure Yoruba descent from Ife alongside Oranmiyan who had a child called Owomika (Eweka) by a woman from Egor.

=>https://guardian.ng/features/ogiso-and-ogiamien-are-aborigine-binis-while-oba-of-benin-is-of-yoruba-descent-high-chief-esotericist-monday-wehere/

aswani:


Who exactly are you that only the Royal family can challenge your (false) assertions in Nairaland.

Your only proof that Bini, Ilaje and Itsekiri came from Yoruba is that everyone with a working brain knows. You that you have a working brain, I am so surprised you can't see how nonsensical your argument sounds.

Anyway nutin spoil.

The history of the Ilaje and Itsekiri is well documented, nobody can dispute the fact that they're from Yoruba land.

Bini Kingdom itself is a proof cos your king's traditional title means Prince in Yoruba land, giving credence to the fact that a Yoruba Prince from Ife founded Bini kingdom.

Omo n'oba = Omo Oba (Prince). Our prince is your own king. There's levels to this bro 😎

43Ronin:
It's highly Dubious & hypocritical of yoruba to lay claim to beni because their king answers Oba but turn around to accuse ndigbo of laying claim to ikwerre even thought their kings bear Igwe & Eze, and their towns carry igbo names. Yoruba stay in your lane- always looking to reap from where you did not sow

Who cares what Ikwerres call themselves.
You think any Yoruba man gives a hoot?!

Don't make yourself feel too special.
Your problem is with the Ikwerres or whomever.

Besides no Yoruba man is claiming Benin.
Same way no German is claiming Britain.
We all came from somewhere.

Because the first man was from Africa, should we then claim the whole world?

We are only discussing origin here.
Lots of years have passed, so people can choose to be whomever they want to be.

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🤣

It is true.

...and it does not sound sensible for the heads from the source to be buried in the kindgom of the progeny/offspring.

You only want to return your body to where you are from.

Abi no be so?[/quote

Where in Ife are they buried?

santaclaws:


The history of the Ilaje and Itsekiri is well documented, nobody can dispute the fact that they're from Yoruba land.

Bini Kingdom itself is a proof cos your king's traditional title means Prince in Yoruba land, giving credence to the fact that a Yoruba Prince from Ife founded Bini kingdom.

Omo n'oba = Omo Oba (Prince). Our prince is your own king. There's levels to this bro 😎

This is draining, unfortunately I need to save my energy for Obidients who are a more pressing danger. Hopefully someone else will respond to you and clarify stuff.

aswani:


Of course I have heard of it, what exactly are you disputing from what I wrote?

That Ekaladerhan was never Oduduwa. Ekaladerhan lived, died and was buried in Ughoton village.

santaclaws:


Yea, there was nothing like "Yoruba land" but we all knew ourselves as "Omo Oduduwa" and we all spoke the same language. The major kingdom in Yoruba land was the Oyo kingdom and Ile Ife was more of our ancestral home.

I know my history, but you seem not to know yours well, partly because it's been laced with false narratives by your ancestral rulers. All the same, you're free to believe what you want.
Adios ✌🏾

😀,do you even know your's?
Is Oduduwa a Yoruba man to even start with?

Raf4:


That Ekaladerhan was never Oduduwa. Ekaladerhan lived, died and was buried in Ughoton village.

Where exactly did I say Ekaladerhan was Odùduwà in my post that you responded to? I didn't even mention his name.

Honestly dis Nairaland, what is happening to people today? Someone else is accusing me of responding rudely to them in another thread, a thread where I didn't respond to them.

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The thing is that, before there is any recorded event that brought about the relationship between Benin and Ife, the two kingdoms were in existence

Heads of Benin kings were never and will never be buried in ife

Infact check the whole oba in Yoruba land, ooni dresses differently from other Yoruba kings, which could literally means there is kinda influence from outside culture, and the closest is Benin.
If the not other kings in Yoruba land should have been dressing as the ooni

Danand1:

😀,do you even know your's?
Is Oduduwa a Yoruba man to even start with?

Danand1:
Infact check the whole oba in Yoruba land, ooni dresses differently from other Yoruba kings, which could literally means there is kinda influence from outside culture, and the closest is Benin.
If the not other kings in Yoruba land should have been dressing as the ooni

Bro you dey mind all this mumu ppl that are too blind to see even their Ooni is copying BENIN KINGDOM aesthetics!

Shattuck:
the truth you need to know is this a bini prince who fled to ife was the one who returned.

Your Prince who fled Bini ended up in Ughoton town where he lived, died and was buried. Oba of Bini even used this storyline to win a land case against Ijaws in the court of law in the past.
Go and read about the history of Ughoton Town and discover your lost Ekaladerhan.