Question: "What does the Bible say about sex before marriage?"

Answer: There is no Hebrew or Greek word used in the Bible that precisely refers to sex before marriage. The Bible undeniably condemns adultery and sexual immorality, but is sex before marriage considered sexually immoral? According to 1 Corinthians 7:2, “yes” is the clear answer: “But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.” In this verse, Paul states that marriage is the “cure” for sexual immorality. First Corinthians 7:2 is essentially saying that, because people cannot control themselves and so many are having immoral sex outside of marriage, people should get married. Then they can fulfill their passions in a moral way.

Since 1 Corinthians 7:2 clearly includes sex before marriage in the definition of sexual immorality, all of the Bible verses that condemn sexual immorality as being sinful also condemn sex before marriage as sinful. Sex before marriage is included in the biblical definition of sexual immorality. There are numerous Scriptures that declare sex before marriage to be a sin (Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7). The Bible promotes complete abstinence before marriage. Sex between a husband and his wife is the only form of sexual relations of which God approves (Hebrews 13:4).

Far too often we focus on the “recreation” aspect of sex without recognizing that there is another aspect—procreation. Sex within marriage is pleasurable, and God designed it that way. God wants men and women to enjoy sexual activity within the confines of marriage. Song of Solomon and several other Bible passages (such as Proverbs 5:19) clearly describe the pleasure of sex. However, the couple must understand that God’s intent for sex includes producing children. Thus, for a couple to engage in sex before marriage is doubly wrong—they are enjoying pleasures not intended for them, and they are taking a chance of creating a human life outside of the family structure God intended for every child.

While practicality does not determine right from wrong, if the Bible's message on sex before marriage were obeyed, there would be far fewer sexually transmitted diseases, far fewer abortions, far fewer unwed mothers and unwanted pregnancies, and far fewer children growing up without both parents in their lives. Abstinence is God’s only policy when it comes to sex before marriage. Abstinence saves lives, protects babies, gives sexual relations the proper value, and, most importantly, honours God.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/sex-before-marriage.html#ixzz3Ghobo6pP

Well spoken.

JEITO:


Well spoken.

Remain blessed.

OLAADEGBU:
Question: "What does the Bible say about sex before marriage?"

Answer: There is no Hebrew or Greek word used in the Bible that precisely refers to sex before marriage. The Bible undeniably condemns adultery and sexual immorality, but is sex before marriage considered sexually immoral? According to 1 Corinthians 7:2, “yes” is the clear answer: “But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.” In this verse, Paul states that marriage is the “cure” for sexual immorality. First Corinthians 7:2 is essentially saying that, because people cannot control themselves and so many are having immoral sex outside of marriage, people should get married. Then they can fulfill their passions in a moral way.

Since 1 Corinthians 7:2 clearly includes sex before marriage in the definition of sexual immorality, all of the Bible verses that condemn sexual immorality as being sinful also condemn sex before marriage as sinful. Sex before marriage is included in the biblical definition of sexual immorality. There are numerous Scriptures that declare sex before marriage to be a sin (Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7). The Bible promotes complete abstinence before marriage. Sex between a husband and his wife is the only form of sexual relations of which God approves (Hebrews 13:4).

Far too often we focus on the “recreation” aspect of sex without recognizing that there is another aspect—procreation. Sex within marriage is pleasurable, and God designed it that way. God wants men and women to enjoy sexual activity within the confines of marriage. Song of Solomon and several other Bible passages (such as Proverbs 5:19) clearly describe the pleasure of sex. However, the couple must understand that God’s intent for sex includes producing children. Thus, for a couple to engage in sex before marriage is doubly wrong—they are enjoying pleasures not intended for them, and they are taking a chance of creating a human life outside of the family structure God intended for every child.

While practicality does not determine right from wrong, if the Bible's message on sex before marriage were obeyed, there would be far fewer sexually transmitted diseases, far fewer abortions, far fewer unwed mothers and unwanted pregnancies, and far fewer children growing up without both parents in their lives. Abstinence is God’s only policy when it comes to sex before marriage. Abstinence saves lives, protects babies, gives sexual relations the proper value, and, most importantly, honors God.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/sex-before-marriage.html#ixzz3Ghobo6pP

and rolling on the floor

OLAADEGBU:
Question: "What does the Bible say about sex before marriage?"

Answer: There is no Hebrew or Greek word used in the Bible that precisely refers to sex before marriage.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/sex-before-marriage.html#ixzz3Ghobo6pP

First, I have always said you are the most confused fellow I ever know on this forum. The reason being the same as I have always said - you copy too many articles contradicting one another online and you can't stand questions when asked. Listen to yourself here: There is no Hebrew or Greek word used in the Bible that precisely refers to sex before marriage. But with the other side of your mouth, you're here arguing premarital means is an act of fornication.

Yes, fornication can mean sex before marriage is one is whor.ing, prostitu.ting and sleeping around but the basic point here is, if one has one partner he\she is committed to in love and they planned to marry, will it be considered fornication? There's nowhere the bible said such thing. The ACTS involved in the sin of fornication are clearly stated in scriptures and YOU CLEARLY AGREE.....premarital sex WASN'T PRECISELY MENTIONED. Or is it that you don't know what pre-marital sex is or what?

OLAADEGBU:


The Bible undeniably condemns adultery and sexual immorality, but is sex before marriage considered sexually immoral?

True and yes, scriptures condemn adultery and fornication.....mostly translated sexual immorality. Question, what then is FORNICATION? You can consider fornication as sexually immoral IF ONE IS WHOR.ING, PROSTI.TUTING, GAY, LESBIANISM, BESTIALITY, INCEST, IDOLATRY ETC but with someone i'm in love with, committed to, in relationship\courtship with and want to marry? No where the bible mentioned such AS PART OF FORNICATION.

Now, on the other hand, If AFTER I'm married and GO OUTSIDE my existing marriage.....that is what the sex OUTSIDE MARRIAGE means, then I commit fornication. Where did I get this from Goshen? Off course from the Master Himself....listen to your Master, not man-made traditions:

New International Version
I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

New Living Translation
And I tell you this, whoever divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery--unless his wife has been unfaithful."

English Standard Version
And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

New American Standard Bible
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

King James Bible
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

A MARRIED woman going OUTSIDE of her marriage is what Christ called fornication. That's what sex OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE MEANS. So, can a married woman\man commit fornication.....scripturally YES!!! Can a unmarried person commit fornication? Scripturally YES!!! How? If he\she is committing any acts I mentioned above not if he\she stays with one partner. Sex BEFORE marriage is considered FORNICATION or SEXUAL IMMORALITY if one is WHOR.ING, PROSTI.TUTING, GAY, LESBIANISM, BESTIALITY, INCEST, IDOLATRY as stated in scriptures and that's what I stand by NOT EXPANDING OR ADDING TO IT.

TBC

OLAADEGBU:


...but is sex before marriage considered sexually immoral? According to 1 Corinthians 7:2, “yes” is the clear answer: “But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.” In this verse, Paul states that marriage is the “cure” for sexual immorality. First Corinthians 7:2 is essentially saying that, because people cannot control themselves and so many are having immoral sex outside of marriage, people should get married. Then they can fulfill their passions in a moral way.

Let's find out what was happening in Corinthian church that caused this statement of 1 Corinthians 7:2.

The Corinthian church practised all KINDS OF SEXUAL IMMORALITY INCLUDING SLEEPING WITH ANOTHER MAN'S WIFE AND HUSBAND TO THE POINT THAT, SOME WHERE SLEEPING WITH THEIR STEPMOTHER AND SOME SLEEPING WITH PROSTI.TUTES\WHO.RES. All these acts and many more was going on in the church then as it were.

Paul, the Apostle continued to write until he got to 1 Corinthians 7:2. and said,

New International Version
But since sexual immorality [b]is occurring[/b], each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.

New Living Translation
But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.

English Standard Version
But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

New American Standard Bible
But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband.

King James Bible
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

The fornication (sexual immorality) OCCURING....whereby women sleeping with another man wife and man sleeping with another woman's husband and man sleeping with his step mother etc. Paul said, let each man have HIS OWN (a possessive term)......this is a clear indication of the context that some are sleeping with men\woman THAT ARE NOT THEIR SPOUSE......instead of sleeping with your father's wife, why not get your own wife. Instead of sleeping with another woman's husband, go and have YOUR OWN husband. This verse says nothing about premarital sex, as a matter of fact, people committing this fornication in Corinth, both parties or one is married.

I know all the scriptures in the NT you want to come up with concerning fornication and I can assure you, bring them up and we will look at the context together. You can even say.....Paul said you should not touch your VIRGIN..... until you're married but hey, VIRGIN as Paul the Apostle taught doesn't MEAN someone who had not had sex but someone who had not married.

OLAADEGBU:


Since 1 Corinthians 7:2 clearly includes sex before marriage in the definition of sexual immorality, all of the Bible verses that condemn sexual immorality as being sinful also condemn sex before marriage as sinful. Sex before marriage is included in the biblical definition of sexual immorality. There are numerous Scriptures that declare sex before marriage to be a sin (Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7). The Bible promotes complete abstinence before marriage. Sex between a husband and his wife is the only form of sexual relations of which God approves (Hebrews 13:4).

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/sex-before-marriage.html#ixzz3Ghobo6pP

You lied on your logical interpretation of 1 Corinthians 7:2. It doesn't INCLUDE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE.....(in my biblical understanding....as with one partner) IN THE DEFINITION OF SEXUAL IMMORALITY. It specifically mentioned the ACTS that was going on in Corinth then before he condemned such ACTS as sinful. Off course it will be sinful and immoral to be sleeping with one's stepmother or another man\woman spouse or sleeping with prostitu.tes and whor.es and animals and one's son\daughter. That's what is considered and said to be sexually immoral.

I took my time to check every single scripture your quoted up there. None talked about sexual immorality as premarital sex....that is, sex with one partner one is in love with, committed to and wants to\willing to marry. Religion is making you add to, expand and use traditions of men to interpret what scripture says. If there's any verse among what you quoted you want to discuss, feel free to bring it up.

Goshen360:


First, I have always said you are the most confused fellow I ever know on this forum. The reason being the same as I have always said - you copy too many articles contradicting one another online and you can't stand questions when asked. Listen to yourself here: There is no Hebrew or Greek word used in the Bible that precisely refers to sex before marriage. But with the other side of your mouth, you're here arguing premarital means is an act of fornication.



Yes, fornication can mean sex before marriage is one is whor.ing, prostitu.ting and sleeping around but the basic point here is, if one has one partner he\she is committed to in love and they planned to marry, will it be considered fornication? There's nowhere the bible said such thing. The ACTS involved in the sin of fornication are clearly stated in scriptures and YOU CLEARLY AGREE.....premarital sex WASN'T PRECISELY MENTIONED. Or is it that you don't know what pre-marital sex is or what?



True and yes, scriptures condemn adultery and fornication.....mostly translated sexual immorality. Question, what then is FORNICATION? You can consider fornication as sexually immoral IF ONE IS WHOR.ING, PROSTI.TUTING, GAY, LESBIANISM, BESTIALITY, INCEST, IDOLATRY ETC but with someone i'm in love with, committed to, in relationship\courtship with and want to marry? No where the bible mentioned such AS PART OF FORNICATION.

Now, on the other hand, If AFTER I'm married and GO OUTSIDE my existing marriage.....that is what the sex OUTSIDE MARRIAGE means, then I commit fornication. Where did I get this from Goshen? Off course from the Master Himself....listen to your Master, not man-made traditions:

New International Version
I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

New Living Translation
And I tell you this, whoever divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery--unless his wife has been unfaithful."

English Standard Version
And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

New American Standard Bible
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

King James Bible
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

A MARRIED woman going OUTSIDE of her marriage is what Christ called fornication. That's what sex OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE MEANS. So, can a married woman\man commit fornication.....scripturally YES!!! Can a unmarried person commit fornication? Scripturally YES!!! How? If he\she is committing any acts I mentioned above not if he\she stays with one partner. Sex BEFORE marriage is considered FORNICATION or SEXUAL IMMORALITY if one is WHOR.ING, PROSTI.TUTING, GAY, LESBIANISM, BESTIALITY, INCEST, IDOLATRY as stated in scriptures and that's what I stand by NOT EXPANDING OR ADDING TO IT.

TBC

So I can bang who I want , provided I will marry her.
How far have people strayed from the truth
Sex outside wedlock is evil and my dear every thing u say is STFG
scenario 1
U "intend" to marry her so u start banging , after all she's your future wife, then you die in an accident............. Who is fooling who

I am Processor01 and I do not endorse Goshen360's view on this topic.

Christian readers please beware lest you ingest this lie the devil has succeeded in selling to the world.

Processor01:
I am Processor01 and I do not endorse Goshen360's view on this topic.

Christian readers please beware lest you ingest this lie the devil has succeeded in selling to the world.

It's alright brother. We don't have to agree 100%. But what we should be doing is let's study issues again as against what the traditional Church had taught us and be open minded to see if what we had believe was right or wrong. Here's what I expect you to have said to the Christians:

Acts 17:11Expanded Bible (EXB)
11 These people were more ·willing to listen [open-minded; fair-minded; noble in character] than the people in Thessalonica. The Bereans ·were eager to hear what Paul and Silas said [ eagerly received the word/message] and ·studied [examined] the Scriptures every day to find out if these things were true [ to confirm Paul’s Goshen360 teaching was in line with Scripture].

Processor01:
I am Processor01 and I do not endorse Goshen360's view on this topic.

Christian readers please beware lest you ingest this lie the devil has succeeded in selling to the world.

Gosh is a deceived fellow, i warned him before he went loose as it were. Deuteronomy 22 nko?

Image123:


Gosh is a deceived fellow, i warned him before he went loose as it were. Deuteronomy 22 nko?

He no longer believes God's commandments, it's a disease called antinomianism.

Processor01:
I am Processor01 and I do not endorse Goshen360's view on this topic.
Christian readers please beware lest you ingest this lie the devil has succeeded in selling to the world.

Could it be the guy is not really serious but simply pulling people's legs? About the last time he was on this unfortunate journey, he chickened out and left some people thinking that he retracted his views on premarital sex. Good thing he's setting the record straight again. Imagine, this is the person often on other people's neck when they propose a practice not explicitly taught or practiced by the early church. He would nullify it immediately based on scriptural silence. Yet, he's eager to establish a doctrine based on silence. After moons of writing, he still cannot point to one scripture where God, Jesus or the apostles asked or encouraged anybody to engage in premarital sex. Or indulge in his cockamamie idea that people can sleep unmarried so long as they're committed. Just show me where the Bible says that and I'll believe you.

Meanwhile, if anybody thinks he can develop and maintain a strong spiritual life while engaging in premarital sex, they fool nobody but themselves. The results will most likely show eventually.

nlMediator:


[s]Could it be the guy is not really serious but simply pulling people's legs? About the last time he was on this unfortunate journey, he chickened out and left some people thinking that he retracted his views on premarital sex. Good thing he's setting the record straight again. Imagine, this is the person often on other people's neck when they propose a practice not explicitly taught or practiced by the early church. He would nullify it immediately based on scriptural silence. Yet, he's eager to establish a doctrine based on silence. After moons of writing, he still cannot point to one scripture where God, Jesus or the apostles asked or encouraged anybody to engage in premarital sex. Or indulge in his cockamamie idea that people can sleep unmarried so long as they're committed.[/s]

Just show me where the Bible says that and I'll believe you.

Meanwhile, if anybody thinks he can develop and maintain a strong spiritual life while engaging in premarital sex, they fool nobody but themselves. The results will most likely show eventually.

So, what have I been showing you and people? Movie? I'm very sure you're a smart person and you should have understood my simple point since we've discussed this issue on this forum. But just incase you don't, the simple point is, no where does the scripture include premarital sex as an act of fornication. If you find any, you show us please.

2. Spirituality has nothing to do with premarital sex as condition for spiritual growth. The basis for spiritual growth and spirituality are enumerated in the word. I can't understand why you people can't talk scripture but you all are talking sentiments and emotions.

Image123:


Gosh is a deceived fellow, i warned him before he went loose as it were. Deuteronomy 22 nko?

Go and sit down somewhere please. You teach Mosaic law to Christians and cause the brethren to fall from Grace. Who is more confused and deceived?

New International Version
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.

New Living Translation
Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God.

The above is simple English. Is Deuteronomy 22 part of whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law or not? Does it apply to Christians? How many of the OTHER LAWS in THE SAME CHAPTER 22 DO YOU OBEY TODAY? You're following the Babylon Church.....get out of it!!!

OLAADEGBU:


He no longer believes God's commandments, it's a disease called antinomianism.

Listen to what you said yourself not up to 48 hours.....

OLAADEGBU:
Question: "What does the Bible say about sex before marriage?"
Answer: There is no Hebrew or Greek word used in the Bible that precisely refers to sex before marriage. The Bible undeniably condemns adultery and sexual immorality, but is sex before marriage considered sexually immoral? According to 1 Corinthians 7:2, “yes” is the clear answer: “But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.” In this verse, Paul states that marriage is the “cure” for sexual immorality. First Corinthians 7:2 is essentially saying that, because people cannot control themselves and so many are having immoral sex outside of marriage, people should get married. Then they can fulfill their passions in a moral way.

^^^ From you, the most confused one. Again, I asked....if the bible doesn't give us premarital sex as fornication. WHY do you and your religious fellows say premarital sex is included in the sin of fornication....GREEK, porneia

Goshen360:

So, what have I been showing you and people? Movie? I'm very sure you're a smart person and you should have understood my simple point since we've discussed this issue on this forum. But just incase you don't, the simple point is, no where does the scripture include premarital sex as an act of fornication. If you find any, you show us please.
2. Spirituality has nothing to do with premarital sex as condition for spiritual growth. The basis for spiritual growth and spirituality are enumerated in the word. I can't understand why you people can't talk scripture but you all are talking sentiments and emotions.

I don't think I have the time or strength to go through this dance with you again. Just show me where the Bible encourages people to engage in premarital sex or says it's Ok. Just point me to where the Bible says that if two people are committed to each other, they're free to engage in sex without marriage. If there's no scripture to back it up, simply say so. Telling me what is included in the definition of fornication is to argue from silence - which is what you repeatedly reject here. Unless you're do-as-I-say-but-not-as-I-do?

Spirituality has a lot to do with the quality of koral life one lives and sexual immorality is included in the definition of morality. I guess you are ready to quote scriptures to me about what it takes to grow spiritually. Great! Before you do so, just quote the scriptures on the permissibility of premarital sex first. Or are you going to argue for spiritual growth based on silence too?

nlMediator:


I don't think I have the time or strength to go through this dance with you again. Just show me where the Bible encourages people to engage in premarital sex or says it's Ok. Just point me to where the Bible says that if two people are committed to each other, they're free to engage in sex without marriage. If there's no scripture to back it up, simply say so. Telling me what is included in the definition of fornication is to argue from silence - which is what you repeatedly reject here. Unless you're do-as-I-say-but-not-as-I-do?

Spirituality has a lot to do with the quality of koral life one lives and sexual immorality is included in the definition of morality. I guess you are ready to quote scriptures to me about what it takes to grow spiritually. Great! Before you do so, just quote the scriptures on the permissibility of premarital sex first. Or are you going to argue for spiritual growth based on silence too?

What you asked me to do IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING....maybe you and others are not seeing it. Your brother in partnership also said the same but uses same to argue against premarital sex. I have shown you scripture that says THIS SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE as defined by the religious church is NOT PREMARITAL SEX......it is sex outside AN EXISTING MARRIAGE. Can it therefore be both?

I know what "sexual immoralities" are and I'm not going beyond what is written. Spirituality go to know with the word in you and your fellowship with the Spirit. You can't have more than that.

OLAADEGBU:
Question: "What does the Bible say about sex before marriage?"

Answer: There is no Hebrew or Greek word used in the Bible that precisely refers to sex before marriage. The Bible undeniably condemns adultery and sexual immorality, but is sex before marriage considered sexually immoral? According to 1 Corinthians 7:2, “yes” is the clear answer: “But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.” In this verse, Paul states that marriage is the “cure” for sexual immorality. First Corinthians 7:2 is essentially saying that, because people cannot control themselves and so many are having immoral sex outside of marriage, people should get married. Then they can fulfill their passions in a moral way.

Since 1 Corinthians 7:2 clearly includes sex before marriage in the definition of sexual immorality, all of the Bible verses that condemn sexual immorality as being sinful also condemn sex before marriage as sinful. Sex before marriage is included in the biblical definition of sexual immorality. There are numerous Scriptures that declare sex before marriage to be a sin (Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7). The Bible promotes complete abstinence before marriage. Sex between a husband and his wife is the only form of sexual relations of which God approves (Hebrews 13:4).

Far too often we focus on the “recreation” aspect of sex without recognizing that there is another aspect—procreation. Sex within marriage is pleasurable, and God designed it that way. God wants men and women to enjoy sexual activity within the confines of marriage. Song of Solomon and several other Bible passages (such as Proverbs 5:19) clearly describe the pleasure of sex. However, the couple must understand that God’s intent for sex includes producing children. Thus, for a couple to engage in sex before marriage is doubly wrong—they are enjoying pleasures not intended for them, and they are taking a chance of creating a human life outside of the family structure God intended for every child.

While practicality does not determine right from wrong, if the Bible's message on sex before marriage were obeyed, there would be far fewer sexually transmitted diseases, far fewer abortions, far fewer unwed mothers and unwanted pregnancies, and far fewer children growing up without both parents in their lives. Abstinence is God’s only policy when it comes to sex before marriage. Abstinence saves lives, protects babies, gives sexual relations the proper value, and, most importantly, honors God.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/sex-before-marriage.html#ixzz3Ghobo6pP

You are best at picking and choosing from the bible. Can you talk about stoning of lil kids to death from the bible? Thanks

Goshen360:


It's alright brother. We don't have to agree 100%. But what we should be doing is let's study issues again as against what the traditional Church had taught us and be open minded to see if what we had believe was right or wrong. Here's what I expect you to have said to the Christians:

Acts 17:11Expanded Bible (EXB)
11 These people were more ·willing to listen [open-minded; fair-minded; noble in character] than the people in Thessalonica. The Bereans ·were eager to hear what Paul and Silas said [ eagerly received the word/message] and ·studied [examined] the Scriptures every day to find out if these things were true [ to confirm Paul’s Goshen360 teaching was in line with Scripture].

How do you know that any new illumination you gain is from God or the devil? As you read and study the Bible, any knowledge you gain must achieve ONE main thing for you – make you become more and more like Christ, anything else is not of God. So, understanding the mysteries of God should bring us to conform to the image of Christ.

There are some topics I didn't learn from the traditional church and it is because these two topics were areas in my life that I really struggled with so I took my questions direct to God.

1) Premarital sex - This was a no no and the Lord showed me how this amongst other sins helps to open a backdoor to the devil in a Christians life. It is an end result from Lust of the flesh and a refusal to allow self control to have its way in a Christians life. Or do you not know that your body is God's temple?
2) Drunkenness and alcohol consumption - Drunkenness was also a no no but God never condemned alcohol. He however pointed me to a scripture 1 Corinthians 8; he made me understand that I should think of others in love and how my actions may affect them.

9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak.
10 For if anyone with a weak conscience sees you who have this knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, won’t he be emboldened to eat what has been sacrificed to idols? 11 So this weak brother, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge.
12 When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. (NIV1984)

Anyway, I had just gotten born again and was all by myself so wasn't too sure that it was God speaking so I asked him to show me another portion since his word says "by two or more every truth is established" then he pointed me to another scripture Romans 14; keep in mind that I didn't know jack about the Bible so couldn't have imagined this verses or portions of the Bible in my head.

14 As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.
15 If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died.
16 Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. (NIV1984)

That's why no MOG or 'new revelation' can sway me from the truth.

I'll be praying that God will open your eyes to his will concerning Premarital sex. Shalom bro!

Romans 14:16
''Let not then your good be evil spoken of:''

Romans 14:19
''Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace,and things wherewith one may edify another''

in line with the above scriptures,my belief on this issue is that if a brother and a sister have decided to marry, why not go ahead to the registry and settle it? in the eyes of the law of the land, you only need 2 witnesses and Jesus said ''render to Caesar what is Ceasar's......''. God will sanction the union.

I know we've been called to liberty but see what Paul said about liberty

Galatians 5:13 KJV
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

1 Cor 8:9
''But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to them that are weak''

1 Cor 10:23
''All things are lawful for me,but all things are not expedient:all things are lawful for me,but all things edify not''

What will it cost a spirit filled Christian to ''hold body'' and get to a registry to concretize the union before indulging his flesh? We all will be scandalized by a married pastor sleeping with pastoral care unit members (eg COZA allegation). Does it mean it would have been alright if the pastor was single?

According to this theory of committed to a relationship, all i need do is convince sister comfort to enter a relationship with me today, sleep with her and then do same to sister rose next week then sister agatha follows too.

Please for the unmarried among us,if you've seen your mate, just go ahead and legalise it. You dont need to provide rice and drinks for anybody. Go to the registry and settle it. The problem is our modern Christianity that assumes you can't marry until you wear a white gown and suit then stand before a MOG in a fanciful church. You can do it @ home or the court premises.

Bro Goshen, you don even marry, why you wan make e look like say we wey marry dey 'unlucky'? Pls let's stop pursuing this thing. This is the samething with those who see nothing wrong with masturbation. Christians should pray for more self control. Abstinence till its right won't kill.

May God help us in our quest for a sweeter and more fulfilling walk with him

Goshen360..softly..softly o..a word is enough..this one no be tithe thread wey don go come help you with likes.

My question here is, what is the biblical and scriptural definition of marraige?

Dewze:
My question here is, what is the biblical and scriptural definition of marraige?

A Father consent should be sought and He is the one to give his daughter's hand in marriage. A valid scriptural principle found in both OT and NT.

Mr.Goshen be a true christian and follow the hard and narrow way to eternal life. the thing is u christians are just trying to eat ur cake and have it.

Bidam:
A Father consent should be sought and He is the one to give his daughter's hand in marriage. A valid scriptural principle found in both OT and NT.

where in the bible is this principle clearly stated, pls help me out.

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Dewze:
where in the bible is this principle clearly stated, pls help me out.

God gave eve to adam, Jacob sought the consent of laban, mary was bretrothed to Joseph and so many examples abound.pls go on a search for yourself, it is better that way.

Processor01:

How do you know that any new illumination you gain is from God or the devil? As you read and study the Bible, any knowledge you gain must achieve ONE main thing for you – make you become more and more like Christ, anything else is not of God. So, understanding the mysteries of God should bring us to conform to the image of Christ.
There are some topics I didn't learn from the traditional church and it is because these two topics were areas in my life that I really struggled with so I took my questions direct to God.
1) Premarital sex - This was a no no and the Lord showed me how this amongst other sins helps to open a backdoor to the devil in a Christians life. It is an end result from Lust of the flesh and a refusal to allow self control to have its way in a Christians life. Or do you not know that your body is God's temple?
2) Drunkenness and alcohol consumption - Drunkenness was also a no no but God never condemned alcohol. He however pointed me to a scripture 1 Corinthians 8; he made me understand that I should think of others in love and how my actions may affect them.
9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak.
10 For if anyone with a weak conscience sees you who have this knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, won’t he be emboldened to eat what has been sacrificed to idols? 11 So this weak brother, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge.
12 When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. (NIV1984)
Anyway, I had just gotten born again and was all by myself so wasn't too sure that it was God speaking so I asked him to show me another portion since his word says "by two or more every truth is established" then he pointed me to another scripture Romans 14; keep in mind that I didn't know jack about the Bible so couldn't have imagined this verses or portions of the Bible in my head.
14 As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.
15 If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died.
16 Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. (NIV1984)
That's why no MOG or 'new revelation' can sway me from the truth.
I'll be praying that God will open your eyes to his will concerning Premarital sex. Shalom bro!

Looks like you don't know our good brother. He'll respond that he does not preach experience; only the Word of God. Then, he'll go into some mumbo jumbo about the Greek version of particular words, armed with Strong's or Vine's Dictionary. I only hope he does not do damage to the unwary.

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nlMediator:


Looks like you don't know our good brother. He'll respond that he does not preach experience; only the Word of God. Then, he'll go into some mumbo jumbo about the Greek version of particular words, armed with Strong's or Vine's Dictionary. I only hope he does not do damage to the unwary.

You sabi that guy very well, even his pin code.