Gombs:


You could not (not did not) belive Hagin in writting, how would you me?

Yesterday, for example, i got 6 shirts 3 trousers that'd have cost 40-50k for just 3k!


Yes, 3k. Unbelivable right? #LessExpenses . God knows i use my personal cash for cell ministry and tithes, etc

abeeeegi, time for morning prayers jare

So you cheap like this?

If I send you some $$$ now, na tithe you go go carry am pay instead make you buy better cloth for body or shop better food. Ol boy, you dey fall hands o. So because you dey pay tithe na eim make way for 3k trousers instead of 40k? Chei, see as you dey expose yourself. One would think your paying tithe will bring blessings and increase you so you can efen pay cash down 50k.

But me I no dey boast o but I don buy brand new car, tear rubber without paying tithe and I have good job in the State and God is gracious to me.....I can't boast or take credit for it boy!!! Learn from this apostle of God's unmerited and underserved favour...boy I'm telling you mehn.

Gombs:


Smarten up na, wasn't Jesus a Jew?

Abeg keep quiet if you can't answer this question. Do I need to teach you that Jesus CAME TO SHOW A NEW WAY.......to us as against the Jewish way of life? Allow Emeka to answer the kweshun please. No make me explode o....

goD mbaemeka before whom Christ's knees will bow and beg to take you home,thinking is a free gift even to satanists. Please use it
How would a private rebuke to Peter help the Jews who were with Paul the likes of Barnabas who were equally affected by the hypocrisy.

THEM ALL means all those who witnessed and followed Peter's hypocrisy and probably the thoroughly embarrassed Gentiles as well. Either way, that was not a private rebuke

You want to know who were sent from James? Study Acts 15 and see who were sent to deliver the first Christian epistle:
Acts 15:22,25-26 King James Version (KJV)
22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren:......

25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I can see you are mischievously attempting to read between the line and claim that it is Holy Spirit revelation who told you that Peter was rebuked before the apostles and elders AWAY from the holloi poloi. Negro try hard and come up with a more intelligent excuse for covering your goD Oyaks

Read again
Galatians 2:13-14
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

See the 'THEM ALL' of verse 14 are 'THEY' that 'WALKED NOT UPRIGHTLY' and they include the 'OTHER JEWS' of verse 13 among whom we had Barnabas who did not come from Jerusalem(v9)?


PS: Am really curious as to whether this incidence happened before or after the Jerusalem council of Acts 15 & Cornelius conversion. I lean towards AFTER seeing Peter readily sat with Gentiles and the circumcision debate appears to have been settled from Paul's words in the rebuke. This would heavily magnify Peter's hypocrisy and warrant not just a sharp rebuke but a public one and a record of the same to another church as a stern warning. Does it bother you that Paul had no qualms publicizing this event long after it occurred to the Galatia commoners?

mbaemeka:


1. Certain came from James.
2. When they came he [Peter] withdrew and separated himself from the gentiles fearing THEM [certain that came from James]
3. Other Jews like Barnabas too were carried away by the dissimulation.
4. Paul rebuked Peter before THEM [certain that came from James] all [including the other Jews around Paul like Barnabas]

Who were these certain men? Where they 'floor members' or 'Excos'? Why did James (leader of the Jerusalem church) send them?

Those who have eyes to see will see while the incorrigibly positioned hooligans will keep trolling by making moot points here and there.

Goshen360:


So you cheap like this?

If I send you some $$$ now, na tithe you go go carry am pay instead make you buy better cloth for body or shop better food. Ol boy, you dey fall hands o. So because you dey pay tithe na eim make way for 3k trousers instead of 40k? Chei, see as you dey expose yourself. One would think your paying tithe will bring blessings and increase you so you can efen pay cash down 50k.

But me I no dey boast o but I don buy brand new car, tear rubber without paying tithe and I have good job in the State and God is gracious to me.....I can't boast or take credit for it boy!!! Learn from this apostle of God's unmerited and underserved favour...boy I'm telling you mehn.

Lmfao. I hail una o.

Goshen360:


Abeg keep quiet if you can't answer this question. Do I need to teach you that Jesus CAME TO SHOW A NEW WAY.......to us as against the Jewish way of life? Allow Emeka to answer the kweshun please. No make me explode o....

yet he paid tax, did Jewish traditions, washed himself as they did, but he did not tithe rather he asked the real jews (pharisees) to. Weldone o

Goshen360:


So you cheap like this?

If I send you some $$$ now, na tithe you go go carry am pay instead make you buy better cloth for body or shop better food. Ol boy, you dey fall hands o. So because you dey pay tithe na eim make way for 3k trousers instead of 40k? Chei, see as you dey expose yourself. One would think your paying tithe will bring blessings and increase you so you can efen pay cash down 50k.

Now i am beyond doubt, you surely have reading and comprehension problems. Go back and read my posts again.

But me I no dey boast o but I don buy brand new car, tear rubber without paying tithe and I have good job in the State and God is gracious to me

NOw it's boasting, one of you band mate asked for my stories i obliged him, you call it boasting. See how hard it is to please you guys? Hagin wrote about whether preachers should preach you must only give to be blessed of God? Maybe you should read what he said there, and stop monkeying around.

.....I can't boast or take credit for it boy!!! Learn from this apostle of God's unmerited and underserved favour...boy I'm telling you mehn.

with the way you are going and you constant and legendary dishonesty, you may be going in for a huge surprise, give time time.

Logic demands we separate wheat from chaff.
Hagin's book is a testament to his fickle regret and it is surprising NO WOF bookshop stocks it.
The confused lot are you WOFers who have borrowed so heavily from the man but you pretend not to notice this book

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HAHAHAHA, now fellas are "refuting" Hagin? i thought this book of his was the bomb praised to high heavens? Confused lot.

nlMediator:

Pray, what is vulgar about my language? Your thread is foolish and I don't know how saying so means I'm using vulgar language. And you're the one to teach any person about decent use of language? Only this week alone, you're calling people 'WOF brood of vipers who litter the Lagos/Ibadan expressway.' Wow, sounds like choir boy language. You may not have noticed it, but hardly anybody uses vulgar language in describing others here more than you and your friends.
And you need to learn when people are using humor and figurative expressions. Funny you took my mention of the word 'sanity' literally when it was obvious I was joking. Or did you miss the exclamation mark there? I guess, very soon you'll harp on my reference to popularity in those messages and accuse me of vanity. Chei! You have a point though: one way to maintain my sanity is to do my best to avoid engaging in conversations with you and your co-travelers here.
Oh, and saying your foolish thread mildly affected one person (who continues to worship at a WOF church as we write) is a pathetic claim.

I am still pleading with you to take it easy with the vulgar languages because they destabilize one spirit and that's what causes long vacations from Nairaland. Theological discussions are not for boys who resort to cheap words to defend their position rather well reasoned arguments.

And let's not forget what brought us this far, I mean let's not be distracted from the first point made: the video that was posted by nora544 is very relevant to this thread. It might actually be the needle that always breaks the camel's back each time though. But shouldn't the camel go and find out what his back is made up of, since it takes only a needle to break it?

WinsomeX:


I am still pleading with you to take it easy with the vulgar languages because they destabilize one spirit and that's what causes long vacations from Nairaland. Theological discussions are not for boys who resort to cheap words to defend their position rather well reasoned arguments.

And let's not forget what brought us this far, I mean let's not be distracted from the first point made: the video that was posted by nora544 is very relevant to this thread. It might actually be the needle that always breaks the camel's back each time though. But shouldn't the camel go and find out what his back is made up of, since it takes only a needle to break it?

Everyone is a boy to you the moment they sting you with the truth of a matter. You are so certifiable.

Gombs:


Everyone is a boy to you the moment they sting you with the truth of a matter. You are so certifiable.

No. That's not exactly true.

Some are really men in age but betray childish thinking when they resort to street language to discuss theology. While others are boys forming men but are easily discovered because smoke cannot be curtailed.

Wow, I thought the tempers had been cooled, what happen na?

@Gombs, pls what is your understanding of first fruit as explained by Hagin?

The concept of firstfruits is not used in the New Testament in reference to financial giving. There is not even the vaguest hint of it by any New Testament writer in reference to money or the support of ministers

The above is Hagin's words, what do you understand by this?

based on the above quote, why should I as a Christian give firstfruit(my first salary, first business profit) since they are monetary?

WinsomeX:

I am still pleading with you to take it easy with the vulgar languages because they destabilize one spirit and that's what causes long vacations from Nairaland. Theological discussions are not for boys who resort to cheap words to defend their position rather well reasoned arguments.

And let's not forget what brought us this far, I mean let's not be distracted from the first point made:
the video that was posted by nora544 is very relevant to this thread.

It might actually be the needle that always breaks the camel's back each time though.
But shouldn't the camel go and find out what his back is made up of, since it takes only a needle to break it?

You know it very well...
WoFists don't want own up to that video, starring "Baba", Copeland, Leroy Thompson and others
- by the way, Leroy Thompson, who refused to show up at "Baba's" called-up meeting, could be seen 5 minutes or so into the video tapping/touching "Baba" for "anointing"

The video always leaves a bad taste in the mouth of prominent members of WoF on NL.

The video never fails, as it always increases the anxiety and nervousness of these self appointed WoF officers.
- WoF rank and file on NL, on the other hand just keeps quiet about the video

Whenever the video rears it's ugly head, it turns into a needle that breaks the camel's back

It caused uneasiness in the original WoF thread.

It is an embarrassing video, WoFists wish could disappear, so to deny it existed and then turn round saying the event never really happened.

Negro please!
Keep your imagination out and stick to scriptures


Galatians 2:12-14 King James Version (KJV)

12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?


THEM ALL is most certainly PLURAL. Besides, any idea why Paul shares this incidence with Galatians and the rest of the world? Was it necessary telling us that Peter had misbehaved?

You would be surprised to find that you are not the first to be revolted by the idea of a Chief Apostle falling into error. Jerome was here long before you and mbaemeka but unlike you Christ Embassy hooligans he shelved his imagination and stuck to scriptures
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/cambridge/galatians/2.htm

Gombs:


my man forget these guys... leave them in their ignorance. Imagine Paul in the midst of thousands of brethren rebuking Peter.

Gombs:


You could not (not did not) belive Hagin in writting, how would you me?

Yesterday, for example, i got 6 shirts 3 trousers that'd have cost 40-50k for just 3k!


Yes, 3k. Unbelivable right? #LessExpenses . God knows i use my personal cash for cell ministry and tithes, etc

abeeeegi, time for morning prayers jare

Wow! what a story!
You got 50k clothing items for just 3k? That's appropriately $2 for each , I wouldn't wear them if I were you. Which kain 'bend down select' you buy those okirika?
So with all these tithe blessing noise you've been making, this is the story you come up with? SMH
I'm sorry kid but you are probably living way below average and you are yet to taste 'prosperity'.
I'm a millionaire so trust me I know what I'm saying

Lobeez:


Wow! what a story!
You got 50k clothing items for just 3k? That's appropriately $2 for each , I wouldn't wear them if I were you. Which kain 'bend down select' you buy those okirika?
So with all these tithe blessing noise you've been making, this is the story you come up with? SMH
I'm sorry kid but you are probably living way below average and you are yet to taste 'prosperity'.
I'm a millionaire so trust me I know what I'm saying

Some folks obviously have comprehension and mathematical problems. You are a millionaire! Dear Lord Jesus!

You lot are hard to please. If I wear an expensive suit like 520k or so, you lot would complain, If I wear N250 shirt, una go complain, if I don't wear, you still will. Now, you are a millionaire, thank God. If I had said so, I'd have been boasting like your fellow band of misfits like to say.

If I had said "I got 9 clothing items for 800, 000k, your ilks would:

1. Call me a liar
2. Call me proud and boastful
3. Call me extravagant and that poor folks are everywhere
4. Etc

You would even say "Jesus was poor, he wore clothes Herod dashed him" "Paul bla bla bla" "Wofist are bla bla bla, they are not contended at all"
For eg a pastor bought a dog for$16, 000, alot of you guys came here and cried foul, as if you will tell him how to spend his money, of course the idea you lot has was that he uses church funds, if he has a dog of $2, you lot would still call him poor, and cheap. You just called yourself a millionaire, yet ... let me just be quiet.

I said I got clothing items worth 50k for 3k (miscellaneous expenses) . You folks said

1. Cheap
2. Okirika
3 etc

If I had said "I got 9 clothing items for 1000" you hypocrites would bellow. See you saying you wont wear a $2 cloth, if a pastor had said it, you'd run here open a thread and start typing rubbish.

WITHSTOOD, TO THE FACE not withstanding, it was BEFORE THEM ALL and last time I checked ALL is plural.
And am sure you want to tell us that what happens in Antioch remains in Antioch EXCEPT Paul published this event in his epistle to Galatians and the world by extension. So much for 'private rebuke' nonsense. That's just a convenient excuse for shielding your goDs from scrutiny,criticism and rebuke


Galatians 2:12-14 King James Version (KJV)

12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

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To be ACCURATE, the scriptures you quoted says PAUL WITHSTOOD PETER. It doesn't say Paul rebuked Peter. There is a difference. Also, IT WAS TO THE FACE. What effort have you made in withstanding any of those fellows to the face(assuming you are even mates). This pattern is what Jesus commanded.

Well, i don't know for sure how many people were there, and nobody has evidence to be cocksure. i do know though that the correction was done in the spirit of meekness and love. That was what Paul preached. It wasn't done with intent to ridicule, malign and falsely accuse or condemn.

mbaemeka:


Melchizedek is what Bible students call a Theophany. There is alot to be known about him but many are too hard of hearing so they would not understand. Please don't call me a thief again. I only had to state my disinterest in discussing tithes because it is unhealthy and never ending. As for me, I will tithe till Jesus comes.

Bless you.

Theophany?
Uhm

mbaemeka:


Melchizedek is what Bible students call a Theophany. There is alot to be known about him but many are too hard of hearing so they would not understand. Please don't call me a thief again. I only had to state my disinterest in discussing tithes because it is unhealthy and never ending. As for me, I will tithe till Jesus comes.

Bless you.

Theophany?
Uhm!!

Some people are too hypocritical. What is wrong in wearing a $2 cloth? Later they would complain when a millionaire Pastor owns a Bentley. Oh, of course they are pastors and should be on cheap cars and while they eg lobeez a millionaire should be in Bentley.

Some people stupidity amazes immortals.

LambanoPeace:
Some people are too hypocritical. What is wrong in wearing a $2 cloth? Later they would complain when a millionaire Pastor owns a Bentley. Oh, of course they are pastors and should be on cheap cars and while they eg lobeez a millionaire should be in Bentley.

Some people stupidity amazes immortals.

Forget these guys abeg. Double standard hypocritical brood of vipers. Nattering sods of negativity. Not only incompetent in mathematics, some are dyslexic and morally bankrupt

@Gombs

by the way some present day Christians now say that: giving to the poor is just lending to God, that God will pay back but without interest, i.e its more profitable to give to ministers/church than the poor)

The above quote was by me in the thread that gave birth to this one, compare it with Hagin's quote below(mind you, I didn't write the above then as a result of Hagin's book but as a result of the prevalent belief system in my church)

It grieves my spirit to hear that there are some ministers teaching—or at least giving the impression—that giving to them personally will bring a greater blessing to the donor than giving to the poor or supporting the local church's ministry to the poor

Proverbs 19:17:"He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the Lord; and that which he hath given will he pay him again." "That's not too good an investment," they say. "Giving five dollars to a poor person is a loan to God, and He will pay you back five dollars. You get back just what you 'loaned' to God. But if you invest that five dollars in a ministry with a 'higher anointing,' you can expect a multiplied return."

Then compare it with yours

( by the way some present day Christians now say that: giving to the poor is just lending to God,

that verse means, God will pay for the one who couldn't pay back, not that the borrower is lending to God.

that God will pay back but without interest

Does the above make sense to you?

i.e its more profitable to give to ministers/church than the poor)

you are funny ma'am... thanks for the laugh

LambanoPeace:
Some people are too hypocritical. What is wrong in wearing a $2 cloth? Later they would complain when a millionaire Pastor owns a Bentley. Oh, of course they are pastors and should be on cheap cars and while they eg lobeez a millionaire should be in Bentley.

Some people stupidity amazes immortals.

#somefolksdontgetsimplehumour
#smileysareforhumour

Gombs:

Calm down, it appears they are joking with you or they didn't understand what you said


awaiting answers to my questions

Nannymcphee, can you make your post clearer, ie the quotes. I ignored the firstfruits question because I have treated it. Hagin did not condemned firstfruits, he condemned preachers using it to get money in the guise that they are priest today. Notice he said "and the support of ministers"

As for monetary giving, it's been said iver and over, since if for example I sell tyres, should I take tyre equivalent of my firstfruits to church? But if you feel He condemned it in its entirety, then fine.

Ok, I get the post now... you want me to do what exactly? I simply told you the one who gives to someone who can't pay, that the verse said God will pay on behalf of the person who could not pay. I did not say there will be no interest from God. I found the with interest part laughable sef, because it was strange to me

I never experienced such in my church, we are encouraged to give those who don't have, our stuffs we don't use anymore, shoes, clothes or give them cash.

Gombs:
Nannymcphee, can you make your post clearer, ie the quotes. I ignored the firstfruits question because I have treated it. Hagin did not condemned firstfruits, he condemned preachers using it to get money in the guise that they are priest today. Notice he said "and the support of ministers".

From Hagin's mouth and pen

"[size=16pt]The concept of firstfruits is not used in the New Testament in reference to financial giving[/size]. There is not even the vaguest hint of it by any New Testament writer in reference to money or the support of ministers."

Hagin says first fruits in the new testament has [size=18pt]nothing [/size] to do with financial giving. Its so clear it needs no explanation.

See more by Hagin from the same page

"Firstfruits" in the New Testament primarily refers to Jesus Christ. He is the Firstfruits—the first One to be raised from the dead—and represented all those who would follow after him.

Other New Testament uses of "firstfruits" refer to the "firstfruits of the Spirit" in the life of the believer. In other words, "firstfruits" refers to the initial working of the Spirit in a believer's life—the first evidence of His indwelling us. It refers to those signs of His Presence in us now, as compared to what He will do with us later when we have our glorified bodies.

Another use of the word "firstfruits" is totally figurative. It has to do with the first individuals to be born again in a certain location."

If this doesn't confirm [size=16pt]unequivocally[/size] that first fruits in the new testament has nothing to do with money, has nothing to do with salary, has nothing to do with profit on businesses, has nothing to do with any income, then there's definitely a problem.

@nlMediator. Bro, do you have any comments on this issue?

Wow! I'm late, so i have to start reading from the beginning? Anyway, let me start.

^^
So, Hagin condemned firstfruits giving? Yes?

Gombs:
^^
So, Hagin condemned firstfruits giving? Yes?

If you believe that he didn't condemn it but you DO NOT DENY that he said First fruits has nothing to do with money and has nothing to do with support for ministers, i would ask how you now do your first fruits giving? If you agree that first fruits has NOTHING to do with money, what then makes up first fruits today?

You are hopelessly obtuse

Gombs:
^^
So, Hagin condemned firstfruits giving? Yes?

Gombs:
^^
So, Hagin condemned firstfruits giving? Yes?

Hagin said:

"Making a New Testament application of Old Testament technicalities violates every principle of Bible interpretation, especially when there isn't a single New Testament usage of the word "firstfruits" in the context in which it is being preached by some ministers. 

The concept of firstfruits is not used in the New Testament in reference to financial giving. There is not even the vaguest hint of it by any New Testament writer in reference to money or the support of ministers."

The commonsense understanding of what Hagin said is simply this: Hagin does not advocate the demand for or the paying of 'Firstfruits'. 
However since your church believes in it strongly you are finding it hard to wriggle out of it. 
You have good 'comprehension' don't you?
Then explain these portions to us.

Candour:


If you believe that he didn't condemn it but you DO NOT DENY that he said First fruits has nothing to do with money and has nothing to do with support for ministers, i would ask how you now do your first fruits giving? If you agree that first fruits has NOTHING to do with money, what then makes up first fruits today?

I give in cash terms because I can't give my job to church

vooks:
You are hopelessly obtuse

Thanks