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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 4:41pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
pickabeau1: You can't o. It went with Seun Tsunami. But another one has been made that is much better coordinated: see www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nlMediator: 4:56pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
WinsomeX: Always eager to advertise the foolish thread? If it was the most successful thread on NL, as you essentially claimed yesterday, people will know it on their own. Without all this pesky interruptions and interventions. Talk of delusion of grandeur! |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 5:00pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Galatians 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, ( KJV). WHO IS "THEM ALL"? This should not be difficult to decipher from the scriptures above. The contention is that "them all" are only leaders. But is this what that scripture says? That scripture enumerate a number of individuals, verses: 11: Peter, Paul 12: Peter, James, Jews from Jerusalem, Gentiles 13: Peter, Jews in Antioch, Barnabas 14: Paul, Peter, Jews, Gentiles 15: We: Peter and Paul, Jews and Gentiles. Of all listed above only James was not present. It is therefore safe to say that "them all" will include Peter, Jews in Antioch and Jews from Jerusalem, Barnabas, and Gentiles, apart from Paul doing the rebuking. All in Antioch. Note also that "them all" came in verse 14; which quite naturally included all the aforementioned individuals before and during verse 14. There is no evidence here that Paul did it before elders alone. The fact also that this incidence is "published" in an epistle to Galatia, a very large Roman region, shows that Paul never intended it to be a private rebuke. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 5:02pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
vooks is as negro as they come and he got no apologies for that OBTUSE is when in over ten threads you demand for evidence of Hagin denouncing firstfruits despite the same staring at you in the face and the same being pointed severally I apologize for offence caused though Image123: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Kenny4lyfe(m): 5:05pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
WinsomeX: Can you please provide the version of your Galatians 2:11 please? *modified* I can see you're quoting from KJV |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 5:07pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Kenny4lyfe: King James Version. Will include it there now. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 5:07pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
If Paul telling Galatians that Peter erred and he corrected him publicly is not publishing it, then I don't know what is. See after the epistle was read, they knew Peter succumbed to his fears of the Circumcision and behaved hypocritically. They knew the error,consequences, the erring apostle and the correcting apostle. I may also add that had he not described this incidence, they would not have known about it mbaemeka: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Kenny4lyfe(m): 5:13pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
WinsomeX: I remember this "them all" issue was put to rest in that WoF thread you were referring to back in the days when you were drummaboy. So why digging it up now? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by pickabeau1: 5:13pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
nannymcphee: WinsomeX: Thanks...I actually had been following the thread but not so much Will take my time 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 5:20pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision 13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? mbaemeka, I charge you to think 1. From verse 14, the THEY THAT WALKED NOT UPRIGHTLY are the THEM ALL 2. Verse 13 tells you what they did; they WITHDREW and separated themselves from the Gentiles just like Peter. This means they were eating with the Gentiles and then they stopped 3. If the visiting Jews ate with the Gentiles and Peter ate with the Gentiles,then what freaked him? Verse 12 is mighty clear; it is the visiting Jews that prompted Peter to withdraw mbaemeka: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Seun(m): 5:24pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
WinsomeX:By Seun's Tsunami you mean when hackers hacked my server and deleted our data. Why not call it Hacker's Tsunami instead of "Seun's"? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 5:33pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
vooks: What does this have to do with anything I have said? I don't know why you are overlooking the very obvious facts again. 1. In vs 12 Peter withdrew himself fearing THEM. 2. The THEM joined him and acted like hypocrites. 3. Barnabas joined THEM as well as few other Jews that hung around Paul (all leaders). 4. Paul corrected Peter infront of THEM ALL because Peter was like you said the 'Chief culprit'. Do you get it now? The THEM referred to the CHIEF MEN that came from James as well as Barnabas and a few other Jews- all leaders. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by christemmbassey(m): 5:40pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
mbaemeka:was Abraham an Igboman? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 5:41pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
pickabeau1: nannymcphee: WinsomeX: pickabeau1: EXCERPT Please note that of course, there are loads of others, that had equally taught, received, allowed or taken part in this activity known as the "HOLY GHOST LAUGHTER along with slain in the spirit" doctrine (e.g. Oral Roberts, Paul Crouch of TBN, Kenneth Copeland etc just to name a few) the thread at this juncture is singling Hagin out with this doctrine because of the following: 1) First as a result of his prominent Father of WoF position. 2) Second, from the word go, this doctrine like every other doctrine in WoF, had started with Hagin (i.e. he had been in the forefront of the "HOLY GHOST LAUGHTER along with slain in the spirit" doctrine) along with new-WoF-kid-on-the-block Howard Rodney-Brown who earlier had got into the action (i.e. as like they mostly do with every other WoF doctrine) brought the doctrine up another notch or level up to the point of ludicrous (e.g. as like was done with name-it... claim it, financial posterity etc doctrines) 3) Lastly, he had prophesied that there will be waves of God's glory never witnessed before sweeping across the country and world at large As regards #3, simple research on Hagin or if one had been following Hagin, one would have noticed that he had previously "prophesied" (i.e. this prophecy he made, is captured on video) about a new wave of anointing that will sweep and move across the country and the world at large. This "Holy Ghost laughter and slain in the spirit" thing is what Hagin declared to be the first filling demonstration of the new spiritual anointing he said God had promised him. Hagin usually starts with quoting scriptures also along the line, in other incidents, he usually gets his music director to sing the "laughing song" repeatedly over and over, to get attendees worked up for the frenzy (i.e. this can be seen done in other videos) The lyrics in the songs are for example: "Laughing, laughing, laughing is so much fun..." etc. He also says, when the spirit moves, just jump in, as in, laugh along (i.e. fake the laugh, until to make or start to laugh) You see, Hagin, been an Apostle that he claims he was, had prophesied (i.e. this is captured on video) that God promised Him that a new wave of special anointing will sweep across the country and beyond. EXCERPT HOLY GHOST LAUGHTER along with slain in the spirit: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/7#24937905 Hear "Baba" announcing prophesy is fulfilled and effectively declaring at the 2.13 minutes that: "... this is the first time we've HAD the full manisfestation of that anointing..." 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Kenny4lyfe(m): 5:42pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
vooks: Fixed So what's the fuss all about again? 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 5:43pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Seun: My apologies oga CEO. Hacker's Tsunami then. Lol. No ban me o! But you know Seun, you are about the most criticized individual in this country, second only to Jonathan. You suppose don' develop antidote to 'am by now. Correction taken, Boss! 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 5:43pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
vooks: Knowing about the incidence was not Paul's intention. Someone says to Paul "James said without circumcision we Gentiles are not truly saved". Paul says "thats wrong no matter who says that. In fact while I was in Antioch I had to correct Peter infront of the other leaders when he suggested the same thing. This is not what the Lord taught me". Paul is clearly telling them to disregard the circumcision debate. Period. And also when you say 'publicly' it depends on what you mean. When James told Paul about forbidding meat sacrificed to idols, he said it in 'public' I.e to the hearing of all the other leaders in the meeting. But he didn't say it publicly to the hearing of 'floor members' of the new Christian faith. There are just some things you don't say in front of babes. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 5:45pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
christemmbassey: Was he a Jew? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 5:46pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Kenny4lyfe: Please help me ask him? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 6:01pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 6:02pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
mbaemeka: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by christemmbassey(m): 6:02pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
mbaemeka:he was/is the father of d jews till 2morrow. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 6:11pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Simple questions 1. Did the visiting Jews eat with the Gentiles BEFORE the rebuke? mbaemeka: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nlMediator: 6:23pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Gombs: Excellent response. Besides, you said the clothes were worth 50k and you got them for 3k. The guy interprets it to mean that the clothes were worth 3k. What kind of math is that? The value of an item is determined exclusively by what is paid for them? I believe the guy's claim that he's a millionaire. I also believe he's a good christian. Only a loving God can make one a millionaire with such level of thinking or skill base. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 7:00pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
vooks: Nope they didn't. And Your point is? As for your post above (in blue font), there's alot you need to learn about Brother James. Maybe you should study that book of Galatians well and then the book of 1 Corinthians. You may learn a few things. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 7:17pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: Where's the so called uneasiness you claimed it caused? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 7:17pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 7:21pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Image123: Hacker's Tsunami - hackers hacked the server and deleted the uneasiness data. but intrigued by what "Baba" meant by announcing prophesy is fulfilled and effectively declaring at the 2.13 minutes that: "... this is the first time we've HAD the full manisfestation of that anointing..." 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 7:25pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: Lol. Outside that, the mediator himself will rather have us discuss everything but that video - the unpleasant needle. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:30pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
mbaemeka: One undeniable fact is that the rebuke became public knowledge well beyond the initial group that heard it. Millions of ordinary believers now came to know about it. What this should tell us about the mind of God regarding ERROR is that it should be EXPOSED no matter who committed it. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 7:31pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
WinsomeX: Bad news, it causes an allergic reaction. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 7:32pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: convenient testimony. |
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