Ayoad:





I CAN SEE THAT YOU ARE A FRUSTRATED GOAT THAT HAS NO DIRECTION. ONLY YOU HAVE SAID YOU HAVE READ THE POST OF BOTH SIDE AND NOW YOU ARE BLAMING NAIRALAND FOR TAKING SIDE THE THE OP. I CAN SEE YOU ARE CONFUSED.

frm ur choice of words and dat of lummy's ,i have seen d reason u both were laid off,if ur employer chose 2 rebrand a fake thing and sell it @ higher ,das his business,even in ma sch ,a lady initially told us her MAC powder was 2.5k only for ma frnd to finally buy it at 400 naira,all na business strategy,@truerebel if u kno u r doing d ryt tin,continue cos i know its hard being ur own boss

dammytosh:


The question is what is the fraud ? Because you sweat profusely, you want to buy golden wrist watch for 3k or a set of silver and gold set of ring for 2800. Lets be reasonable abeg.

The rebel guy should go and sort out his human resources issues. As for all the supposed beans spilled by ex staff. What do you expect them to say about a company that 'treated them badly'

You must either be a business owner or one managing other people. My latest wristwatch cost N34,000 I got it from Amazon. You want to buy N2000 wrist watch and expect it to serve you all your life - these guys are crazy. That man truerebel sells cheap ridiculous stuff and automatically they would never last. How can you buy gold for N1000 - Jesus. Go to oanda.com and check the current price for gold.

The only issue I see here is disgruntled staff fighting their employer. Truerebel knows his market, he has provided an alternative product for people who cannot buy expensive jelweries. Jelweries are expensive, a good watch starting price is from N10,000 and I know an average student can't just wake up and blow N10,000 on a wrist watch but he needs a timepiece and if there are alternatives, he goes for that. Nothing wrong with what truerebel is doing at that price, his product must be substandard

dammytosh:


Your thoughts are well articulated though i have problem with your conclusion. You based your judgement on hearsay and sentiment.

I visited the site and saw wrist watch 3k and ring 2800. That should honestly fade before you get home.

No doubt about that. It should even fade right there in the shop not before you get home. N2800 for a wristwatch? Mek una no let Rolex hear una

donigspain:
I actually read all... It's obvious Mr True Rebel is intelligent judging from the writeup above but that in no way should make you treat people like sh'i't.

Those cloths are they made in Aba or imported from China?

lummyguy:


Now here is a fact u jumped....if you bought an item from Alibaba $0.89 which of course is not upto a dollar (N165) and you sell N1000...

If you sold same items for N500 cos u knw they are fake...would u af been accused of profiteering or say selling fake items?

Please Alibaba is not in heaven....A china supplier will always ask what u want original or mass produced?

Dammy hw will you feel if u bought a wristwatch for 5,500 and it never lasted a month? but if u bought same wristwatch for say 2,000 how will you have felt yet again if it faded in a month....

expecting ur reply pls.

Your comment make me sick. I noticed you want to start the same business. Good luck with that. I am damn so sure you will never succeed. It not a curse, it is fact. Business is not an emotional journey. A product with price listing of $0.89 is nothing but an inferior product whether you buy from China or US. pricing your product entails a lot. I will not want to give you tutorials on that because I don't like your attitude. If you like buy for $2 and sell them for $2 that is your business. But never criticize another man's business for it is very difficult to stay in business than to start a business. End of the month are terrifying days because many struggle to pay the salaries employees are busy spending around. Some business owners go to banks or loan sharks to borrow to pay salaries.

acidtalk:



I am not being one sided. It is obvious truerebel is hasty in taking decisions (especially regarding laying off staff) and maybe lacks customer satisfaction (for not reaching out to unsatisfied customers).

BUT LUMMYGUY HAS ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO COME OUT AND BOAST HE IS WILLING TO REVEAL HIS FORMER BOSS'S BUSINESS SECRET AND EVEN BOAST HE IS ABOUT TO LAUNCH A SIMILAR ONLINE BUSINESS.

There's something called nondisclosure agreement. I guess truerebel ignored his staff signing such.


I am just upset at lummuguy's nasty attitude to a former boss. He has forgotten life is a swinging pendulum. You might just need to return where you are coming from.

Imagine. Fighting your former employer, your boss - Jesus. I have worked with wicked, selfish bosses. I have worked with unreasonable bosses with anger issues but I have never and will never fight them. A boss builds you up. His negative builds you too. A boss is more experience than you and that's why he is the boss and all I see is lumyguy feeling like an equal to his boss.

Lumyguy you are unemployable better start your own business than go destroy others.

Genea:
frm ur choice of words and dat of lummy's ,i have seen d reason u both were laid off,if ur employer chose 2 rebrand a fake thing and sell it @ higher ,das his business,even in ma sch ,a lady initially told us her MAC powder was 2.5k only for ma frnd to finally buy it at 400 naira,all na business strategy,@truerebel if u kno u r doing d ryt tin,continue cos i know its hard being ur own boss

This is the reason Nigeria is a haven for scammers, people like you. If you've read what truerebel wrote he acknowledged the accusations he was alleged,albeit, sublimely. Now to your clear your post, I'll try not to insult you.

1-A lady in your school sells MaC powder for 2500, but you found out it costs 400. As long as its original, or she has told you people its not real. Then no issues!
2- the lady in your school does her own sales and scamming, she doesn't employ people to do her unfair biddings and not pay them.
3-i don't want to say you are morally bankrupt. To encourage one selling fake items, and tagging same as authentic is tantamount to been a scammer yourself.
4-Sadly, you cleverly ignored the part of his shoddy employee treatment.

I want to think that you are either a friend to truerebel, a current employee who's ignorant of her soon-to-become fate, or you are truerebel himself.

P.s - don't quote me,if you won't respond to all the points I raised above.

dammytosh:


Dont mind him. He came here painting "i am angry cos he sold something he bought for #100 for #1000" as if there is no club or hotel selling a bottle of coke / fanta for #1,000 in this Lagos.

Traitor forming Senior advocate of Nigerian Masses.

He stylishly ignored the last response to the nonsense he quoted me on.

Bros there is nothing wrong in selling coke for 10k, but it is wrong to brand coke as Moet campagne n sell it for 10k

Genea:
frm ur choice of words and dat of lummy's ,i have seen d reason u both were laid off,if ur employer chose 2 rebrand a fake thing and sell it @ higher ,das his business,even in ma sch ,a lady initially told us her MAC powder was 2.5k only for ma frnd to finally buy it at 400 naira,all na business strategy,@truerebel if u kno u r doing d ryt tin,continue cos i know its hard being ur own boss

Lummy's choice of words?
you must be joking or maybe i don't understand what you mean.

OLd man, I thought you said, you won't trade words with kids. What are u still doing here? plz go away, am tired of reading ur comments biko, bsides u are damn too agressive(I hate a man wu can't control his emotions while mking a point, bsides I loathe threat, it is for the weak minded @ elephant comment).

acidtalk:

sealit:
This thread highlights the reasons why a lot of Nigerian youths struggle to make it in life

I have read the posts of both the accused employer and the disgruntled employee (s) and I have come to one conclusion- It is a huge task to be an entrepreneur in Nigeria.

Not only do you face a challenging business environment but you also have to deal with stubborn under achievers who have an inordinate sense of entitlement.

The OP has been making noise on Nairaland and it is quite pathetic that the site has given him/her to platform to discredit the business that has placed adverts on Nairaland without conducting an internal investigation before putting it on the FP. Shambolic behavior from NL

The owner of this site is an entrepreneur and he obviously knows that it is impossible to satisfy all employees and users all the time. People will complain about anything and everything immediately they feel they are not getting their way. What the admin of this site usually does is to hide posts and threads that castigate his handling of the site.

It is very interesting that he has given people the opportunity to do the same about other businesses without any consultation or deliberations on the the surrounding and exact facts. This is all to attract viewership and promote his own business. That might work for him now but in the long term, it will cost him business and patronage.

If I was a business owner, this thread will tell me that it is not advisable to put up an advert on a site that has major reporting and communication issues.

Anybody can make claims but it is only reasonable to determine the credibility of the accusations before negatively publicizing it.



@ OP

What businesses have you started in your life?

Do you any experience in managing a business?

Do you have any people management skills?

Do you have any training or experience in organisational confidentiality?

Instead of engaging in pointless revenge, why don't you channel your energy to improve your own life?

Your comment does the differentiation. I read it thrice. extremely matured. Everybody wants to be a business owner but have no clue what it takes to start and stay in business.

Biko did laid off workers form an association?

If you knew your employer was selling substandard goods and fronting them as the real thing, this moral and ethical codes y'all are claiming now is as false as you claim your ex boss is.

You help defraud Nigerians, then turn around to crucify a man because you've been denied the opportunity to defraud more people. What a country! The truth is only important when you are no longer benefiting from a lie.


On a lighter note, I'd really love to know how Mr Folorunsho came about his company's name. It's very catchy.....True Rebel hmmm

Lummy, I feel like, holding ur shoulders, and shaking u.
Stop answering the acid talk guy, there is wisdom in choosing ur battles, dis acidguy is only trying to drain u. Ignore him biko!

BTW, av bin meaning to ask u dis, even b4 I saw d questions u posed to ur former employer.
What exactly happened to the missing camera?(If u seek justice ursef, can u confideny say u are just?)

lummyguy:

dadalicious:
any graduate who is complaining about working conditions or policies in a start up company is not ready. it is a shame that you are know true rebel that started this year, go open ur own and see how u fair. true rebel u try.May God increase u to steady ur company so u can import better products. employee dey calculate ow much e make for company. e nor calculate risk, rent, overhead cost wen employer dey take. graduates think of how to employ people, not complain about your boss

My brother you no add logistics, finance interest from taking loan, advertisement etc.

L

markpenk:
It bothers me how people can be literally dimwitted. I don't understand how his response was silly. He was trying to be respectful, professional and tactful -this in spite of your blatant rudeness, crass railing and vituperations I might add. Yet, all you saw was "silliness"? SMH...

In fact, I read your initial response and there was NOTHING enlightening or coherent about it. All you did was cuss, insult, make derogatory remarks and ask condescending questions.

Your thoughts were all over the place. I'm betting you were feeling cool with yourself after writing that junk ba? SMH. Yet, lummyguy answered you with deference.

This tells me one thing and one thing only: You, my friend lack class, comprehension and civility. I truly feel sorry for your employees - if you have any.

@lummyguy, you have done well. Exposing scammers and fraudsters is a responsibility we all have -former employer or not. It is your duty as a law abiding citizen to report and expose all fraudulent activities. Keep the flag flying my friend.

Good luck in your new venture.. And please remember to bring in only quality items o . Just kidding.

Nah if he was being paid his salary, he won't be on nairaland

chiboyo:


@acidtalk, inasmuch as I understand where you are coming from as a business owner, you need to cut the the OP some slack.
if you have ever worked in a place where your employers treated you like crap, you would understand his ambition for retribution.

Without wanting to take sides, I still believe the company has major issues with staff welfare, deception and sundry other vices.
That being said, @ OP, Please sheathe your sword, I am sure enough damage has been done and these company has learnt some valuable lessons...

If your employers treat you as crap, you resign and move on. Listen, I worked with a cruel boss, in short from a subordinate point of view, all bosses are wicked. However, whereever I see this man, I greet him, I give him his due respect. He trained me and even though in my heart I sometimes remember our issues with pains, I still respect him. He told me he was proud of me whether true or not that's his cup of tea.

The best treatment you can give to a wicked boss, is to quit and become successful and not this piece of shit this guy is doing here.

Homguy:
This is the reason Nigeria is a haven for scammers, people like you. If you've read what truerebel wrote he acknowledged the accusations he was alleged,albeit, sublimely. Now to your clear your post, I'll try not to insult you.

1-A lady in your school sells MaC powder for 2500, but you found out it costs 400. As long as its original, or she has told you people its not real. Then no issues!
2- the lady in your school does her own sales and scamming, she doesn't employ people to do her unfair biddings and not pay them.
3-i don't want to say you are morally bankrupt. To encourage one selling fake items, and tagging same as authentic is tantamount to been a scammer yourself.
4-Sadly, you cleverly ignored the part of his shoddy employee treatment.

I want to think that you are either a friend to truerebel, a current employee who's ignorant of her soon-to-become fate, or you are truerebel himself.

P.s - don't quote me,if you won't respond to all the points I raised above.

ok lemme answer u,d woman actually claimed it was original and am sure if she really wasnt in need of money she wouldnt av sold it at dat price.nw lets get 2 d part of d employees treatment,In class,am a table leader wit a table members of 30 ppl,nw wen practicals start,no member starts until i come even if am late dey wait,can dey start by following d instructns in d bk ? Secondly i start d practical,and wat dey do is 2 gist,ping and wait until i force dem 2 work,even at dat,only a few like 5ppl will work,after dat,i call all d members 2geda so dat we can write d report bt dey r nowhere 2 be found,i write d reports using ma brain and dey come and dub,wen i want 2 correct a mistake meaning dey do dat too,dey start grumbling shouting dey dnt understand me ,badmouting me everywhere bt wen it comes 2 work,dey r nowhere 2 be found.....

acidtalk:
Who ever put this thread to the front page is so silly and immature. I know Obiniscopy won't do such crazy thing.

Why just hearing from a bunch of LAZY employees and even after truerebel explained his own side of the story this nonsense was still done. I can see aggrieved employees are bent on bringing this man's business down.

Truerebel, if you had an employment letter and contract signed by your previous employees especially the TRAITOR and GREEDY FELLOW called lummyguy you can bring them all to their knees either by paying heavy fines or sending them behind bars for damages. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED LET ME KNOW. Judgement on them will be passed within a month.

Lummyguy, was so quick to steal his boss's idea only to want to sell it to the highest bidder on nairaland and even went as far as setting up a similar business. Shame on you @lummyguy.

As far as none of truerebel's clients can come out and testify he sold them fake goods, you his employees are playing with litigation (if he wants to make case with you guys).

I am NOT supporting truerebel in anyway, but the manner this was put on front page is ABSOLUTELY WRONG. When the likes of Inspiredm were found guilty of taking millions from customers without delivering their vehicles to them, seun and his moderators tried to kick the cases under the carpet and even deleted the thread.


SO MUCH INJUSTICE ON NAIRALAND.

What is this one saying?

dadalicious:
make una go read rockfeller, henry ford stories on how he treated employees in d beginning. ask any Adenuga staff or dangote staff, complain still ddey.please cut truerebel some slack. even though he is not a saint, he is building his company. he can't be thinking of staff welfare, or pay raise wen things never set. in the next ten years, if he manages his company well, employees will start reaping well

does that justifies marching out your employees with fully armed men and refusing to pay them for the period with which they have worked for you. don't let me say you're morally bankrupt and lack integrity.

I have taken out time to read through every comment and I am terribly shocked people are quick to say truerebel is defrauding his customers. I beg to differ. He is selling a product and if the customer is not pleased with the product, they either request for a refund or stop patronizing him. I think truerebel is still learning the ropes, as a leader or CEO of a company you don't know everything at once. There is so much to know or learn and by doing this you probably won't start your business.

Seun and moderators, you were unfair to truerebel. This is a public forum and a lot of kids are here, some are even insane. As a business owner, I assume you should have some experience except you do not handle employees. You have succeeded in destroying his business based on hearsays. However, you have also failed to note that other business owners are watching you too. Is this the way you intend to treat them?

Atk1nson:


Bros there is nothing wrong in selling coke for 10k, but it is wrong to brand coke as Moet campagne n sell it for 10k

This my friend is the crux of the whole argument. A business based on fraud

Genea:
ok lemme answer u,d woman actually claimed it was original and am sure if she really wasnt in need of money she wouldnt av sold it at dat price.nw lets get 2 d part of d employees treatment,In class,am a table leader wit a table members of 30 ppl,nw wen practicals start,no member starts until i come even if am late dey wait,can dey start by following d instructns in d bk ? Secondly i start d practical,and wat dey do is 2 gist,ping and wait until i force dem 2 work,even at dat,only a few like 5ppl will work,after dat,i call all d members 2geda so dat we can write d report bt dey r nowhere 2 be found,i write d reports using ma brain and dey come and dub,wen i want 2 correct a mistake meaning dey do dat too,dey start grumbling shouting dey dnt understand me ,badmouting me everywhere bt wen it comes 2 work,dey r nowhere 2 be found.....

from what you typed, I almost ignored you. Not because you are a student, but because you don't seem to understand what we are talking about. Have you read truerebel's first response? If you have and you still typed what you posted above, then I shouldn't have replied you afterall.

Boss13:
I have taken out time to read through every comment and I am terribly shocked people are quick to say truerebel is defrauding his customers. I beg to differ. He is selling a product and if the customer is not pleased with the product, they either request for a refund or stop patronizing him. I think truerebel is still learning the ropes, as a leader or CEO of a company you don't know everything at once. There is so much to know or learn and by doing this you probably won't start your business.

Seun and moderators, you were unfair to truerebel. This is a public forum and a lot of kids are here, some are even insane. As a business owner, I assume you should have some experience except you do not handle employees. You have succeeded in destroying his business based on hearsays. However, you have also failed to note that other business owners are watching you too. Is this the way you intend to treat them?

If I sold you a donkey for the price of a Ferrari and you rode the donkey from here to ibadan only for the false Ferrari pan to fall off to reveal a dead donkey. Would you be satisfied, speechless or would you drag that donkey to muyiwa's office and feed it to him raw.

Boss13:


You must either be a business owner or one managing other people. My latest wristwatch cost N34,000 I got it from Amazon. You want to buy N2000 wrist watch and expect it to serve you all your life - these guys are crazy. That man truerebel sells cheap ridiculous stuff and automatically they would never last. How can you buy gold for N1000 - Jesus. Go to oanda.com and check the current price for gold.

The only issue I see here is disgruntled staff fighting their employer. Truerebel knows his market, he has provided an alternative product for people who cannot buy expensive jelweries. Jelweries are expensive, a good watch starting price is from N10,000 and I know an average student can't just wake up and blow N10,000 on a wrist watch but he needs a timepiece and if there are alternatives, he goes for that. Nothing wrong with what truerebel is doing at that price, his product must be substandard

Well, I wouldn't have commented on this thread, but would have just read thru. I don't think I agree with you on having a good wrist watch at the price of 10k.. Maybe its cuz I and my cousins buy from Lagos Island tho. Good chain wrist watches (might be electroplated steel tho) that last up to 4 or more years are sold at 5.5 or 6k upward if you know and trust the dealer. Tho it seems you guys buy from boutiques and they have to make their own gains too.. Anyways, everybody with his/her own way..

Boss13:
I have taken out time to read through every comment and I am terribly shocked people are quick to say truerebel is defrauding his customers. I beg to differ. He is selling a product and if the customer is not pleased with the product, they either request for a refund or stop patronizing him. I think truerebel is still learning the ropes, as a leader or CEO of a company you don't know everything at once. There is so much to know or learn and by doing this you probably won't start your business.

Seun and moderators, you were unfair to truerebel. This is a public forum and a lot of kids are here, some are even insane. As a business owner, I assume you should have some experience except you do not handle employees. You have succeeded in destroying his business based on hearsays. However, you have also failed to note that other business owners are watching you too. Is this the way you intend to treat them?

seems u lack the ability to comprehend. did to know the meaning of ecommerce at all. I dont have problem in buying a fake product once I'm aware it is fake but branding it to be an original product and even getting rid of anything on it that will make customers suspect its a China product is where the problem comes in. That is a classical case of FRAUD. BTW, did Seun make any derogatory comment on this thread,so how did he help in pulling down the man's business. there is know cause for alarm if the allegations made against him here by his numerous workers is false,trust me people will still patronize him.

My thoughts on this 'scandal'

The True rebel guy has some share in the blame. Not paying salaries is plain uncool, and borderline fraudulent. Using the excuse of 'wiping out contacts' is not reasonable. Why aren't these contacts being automatically backed up? If these contacts were so important, why risk them being stolen? This doesn't seem like a reasonable excuse for not paying salaries.
Asking staff to come to work on Saturdays without a contract amendment is fraudulent. You cannot hire staff to work weekdays, agree on salaries based on workdays and then presume to demand they give up their weekend without providing any incentives.

I hear the 'startup' word being thrown around in this discussion, but most successful startups have committed employees with a shared vision of the common end goal. Not this shambolic work relationship that culminated in the boss bringing in armed Mobile police with assault rifles to chase out staff, when merely locking the office premises on monday would have sufficed.


My feelings on Lummyguy's post are more clear. I started reading his posts with some level of sympathy, but his insistence on whining about the company secrets and business ideas of his former boss are just distasteful. Nobody cares if your boss was inflating the price of his items. He had products his customers thought were good value at the price he chose. Babbling about scamming others is just m0r0nic, when you freely admit you were very active in coming up with new customers for him to sell to, and are thus a part and parcel of any operation you refer to as a 'scam'.

I don't see how one can claim moral superiority in a thread where he is boasting about planning to copy his former boss's business secrets.

voltron:


If I sold you a donkey for the price of a Ferrari and you rode the donkey from here to ibadan only for the false Ferrari pan to fall off to reveal a dead donkey. Would you be satisfied, speechless or would you drag that donkey to muyiwa's office and feed it to him raw.

But from the Lummy guy's word, what is happening is people are buying donkeys for the price of a camel, not even a ferrari. When you buy a watch of N3000, i'm not sure the expectation for it to have the same quality as a N35000 Citizen watch.

Eyah.. My dear True Rebel, its really unfortunate

PrinceMario:
seems u lack the ability to comprehend. did to know the meaning of ecommerce at all. I dont have problem in buying a fake product once I'm aware it is fake but branding it to be an original product and even getting rid of anything on it that will make customers suspect its a China product is where the problem comes in. That is a classical case of FRAUD. BTW, did Seun make any derogatory comment on this thread,so how did he help in pulling down the man's business. there is know cause for alarm if the allegations made against him here by his numerous workers is false,trust me people will still patronize him.

You are not being truthful. Who wants to buy a fake product? I never called his product fake but substandard. Definitely, we all want a great bargain and not a reap off. However, have you heard from one customer coming here to complain? The owner explained the reason and that shows true leadership, owing up to responsibility and trying to make amends. For the price he is selling those products, sure they have to be substandard and like I said not everyone would want to pay N50,000 for wrist watches and likewise not everyone would want to pay N2,000 for wrist watches too.

Rebranding his products is not an offense, and I will assume he is not rebranding to create a false impression because all what we are dealing with here are hearsays especially from disgruntled employees. Truerebel knows his customers/market and what they want, he has created a product to serve that market. In the future, he may either liaise with wrist watch manufacturers or even manufactures his own brand of wrist watches. Now because he already has a brand name, there will be little difficulty in selling the product.

To me this is not fraud, but serving a particular market with a product they can afford. Truerebel cannot come to me with a N2000 wrist watch and expect me to buy, I will never buy because that's not the kind of wrist watch I need. However, someone else would be interested in it because the price seems right and for whatever reason the product quality does not match his particular taste, he should know that all what he got what a bargain and nothing more.

My annoyance is with the disgruntled staff, who is also willingly to go into a similar business like that of his previous employers. I am absolutely against owing salaries or maltreatment of staff but the actions and intentions of the OP are absolutely wrong and obviously has nothing to do with non payment of salaries.

Atk1nson:


Bros there is nothing wrong in selling coke for 10k, but it is wrong to brand coke as Moet campagne n sell it for 10k

Show wia the accused branded a fake item as original and sell fot 1k or you are just being sentimental here.

Genea:
frm ur choice of words and dat of lummy's ,i have seen d reason u both were laid off,if ur employer chose 2 rebrand a fake thing and sell it @ higher ,das his business,even in ma sch ,a lady initially told us her MAC powder was 2.5k only for ma frnd to finally buy it at 400 naira,all na business strategy,@truerebel if u kno u r doing d ryt tin,continue cos i know its hard being ur own boss

its not business, it is simply called FRAUD madam!!!!

@Truerebel

I think you should ensure new and current staff in the future get to sign a contract that prevents them from tarnishing the organizations image even after leaving the company. That way stuffs like this wouldn't surface...Running a company isn't easy.

In the drug market in a certain state in the east, certain dealers specialize in importing substandard drugs. They employ marketers and have an agreement with such marketers and sell those drugs to unsuspecting members of the public. As a result, the marketers are paid on time and without fail while the people who buy such drugs die.the marketers know the drugs are fake but they are well paid and taken care off by the dealer.

Just looking at the picture from a different angle