I hope this move is a right step to a right direction.

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Please are human physiologist members of this health team(workers)?

And to think I was considering leaving America to practice anesthesiology in Naija. Tufiakwa, over my dead body.

Proudly nursing. nurses rule. Haters take a bow.

aobodoefuna:
Proudly nursing. nurses rule. Haters take a bow.

Any hating u get is only in ur head

Clinton207:
Please are human physiologist members of this health team(workers)?

We will have to wait and see

drnoel:

A consultant nurse is a nurse who after the completion of her nursing training has also completed masters and post doctoral studies and then has been widely published, I think up to 2-4 years research experience. This nurse is then accepted to be a consultant nurse if the hospital she is working in together with their nursing board decides she has enof experience to get that title. That is why they call them consultant nurses in the UK and other countries that use those. Believe me I know cos I work with many of them. I have even held some upgrade lectures for their nursing consultants a few times in the past.

OK now before this ruling today, would they be called Consultant in Nigeria?I need your answer

adahib:
Funny country,Nigeria.... It's okay that this has finally been approved. I hope there will be peace now. What people fail to understand is that there will be massive confusion in the hospitals. We live in a country where everyone remotely related to the hospital is called a doctor without them making any attempt to correct such individuals. I can bet an arm and a leg that these consultant cleaners,nurses,lab scientists etc will never correct the confused patients. They will play on the ignorance of patients to claim doctors. It's all good though,that's what we want.

But wait oo,I hope the members of juhesu are willing to go through the process of becoming a consultant and not pushing the argument of "i've worked for 20years and so I should be a consultant". Even a doctor who has worked for 20years can't be a consultant without going through the process.

Our government sef. They just sign and approve things without doing proper research. I'm sure that the members of juhesu agitating for consultant status will not be kind enough to inform us that even though there are consultant nurses,they are not in hospitals but mostly used in legal cases and even though there are consultant pharmacists,they are only seen in aged people homes or private practice and not in government hospitals. But in Nigeria,they want to be in the clinics and compete with the doctors. I hope this cures their inferiority complex. It's okay sha,as far as everyone is happy...

quite dramatic the way u had educated the audience on this forum.
however,let me quickly submit that the joint health workers you claimed to educate are a lot informed and academically positioned in their various disciplines.dont know where you got the idea of other health practtitioners aside medical doctors compete for the status of doctors .may be u can expantiate!

ocelot2006:



Mbok tell them. In Engineering, there's a reason we have a hierarchical structure with the Engineer at the top (thanks to his years of training as an engineer and a manager), followed by technicians/technologists, and craftsmen. Same ought to apply in a medical team where the doctor leads, thanks to years or rigorous training, followed by nurses who are basically like the military ' s NCOs and rank - and - file, with pharmacists and lab technicians playing support. But noooooo, the lower cadre via JOHESU want to be placed on equal footing with doctors. It's like rank-&-file soldiers and their NCOs (Sargent, etc) demanding that they be made equal to Academy trained Officers (Leutenants to Generals).

you are talking about Engineering right? let me ask you something, what type of Engineer are you? and what hierarchical measure do we have in place to measure who is on top in the field of Engineering.?

saxywale:

No. I believe a consultant nurse to be different from a matron. Eriko's definition of consultant nurse fits what they call nurse practitioner in Canada. You can become a nurse practitioner by taking a msc or PhD and specialize in a particular aspect of patient care. I don't think going for further studies makes one a matron in naija.

Thank you very much, this is what some people are failing to understand.

retepmurt:
Anything goes under Jonathan Government.I am nt surprised.
In the history of health sector in Nigeria,none of the governments has acceded to this bt wen the leader has paucity of ideas(cluelessnes),wht do u expect?
Health sector wil surely be in disarray.

say nt what u knw nt.
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Late Proff. Dora was once a Consultant b4 d Physicians rebelled against it.

THUNDER4real:
You are still a small boy, you're thinking capacity has always being zero..

Look who's talking. "Big man", abi? Once again, "consultant" book keeper, buzz OFF!

erico2k2:

OK now before this ruling today, would they be called Consultant in Nigeria?I need your answer

I can't really tell u yes or no. It depends on the requirements placed down by their board or governing bodies. But u know the fire brigade approach of the Nigerian system and people. They can just give all of em consultants without even understanding what that means or the limitations of their profession.

drnoel:


I can't really tell u yes or no. It depends on the requirements placed down by their board or governing bodies. But u know the fire brigade approach of the Nigerian system and people. They can just give all of em consultants without even understanding what that means or the limitations of their profession.

There is a reason for my question. The position of consultants has no Educational requirement as such, it boils down to the highest level of your discipline and speciality, I will give you a link in a bit to see what it means to be a consultant in medical terms and non medical terms, gimmie a minute.

Samgreguc:

say nt what u knw nt.
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Late Proff. Dora was once a Consultant b4 d Physicians rebelled against it.

What u don't understand is no one studies to be a consultant. Doctors don't study for consultancy but for specialist title. The consultancy position is conferred or the candidate who has the required degree title (as in has completed specialist training) and the necessary experience. So those people are just doing what they don't know.

drnoel:


I can't really tell u yes or no. It depends on the requirements placed down by their board or governing bodies. But u know the fire brigade approach of the Nigerian system and people. They can just give all of em consultants without even understanding what that means or the limitations of their profession.

Ok Im back
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consultant_(medicine)
From the above link you will realize the term Consultant is a position within a HOSPITAL, its not a Degree.
Another for Pharmacists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consultant_pharmacist

erico2k2:

There is a reason for my question. The position of consultants has no Educational requirement as such, it boils down to the highest level of your discipline and speciality, I will give you a link in a bit to see what it means to be a consultant in medical terms and non medical terms, gimmie a minute.

That's where u are wrong to say the position of consultant has no education requirements. It has everything education in it cos the person that becomes a consultant in medical practice must be a specialist in his/her field, may have been well published and must have experience in the particular field of his consultancy.

for anybody who is still thinking Consultants is limited to just Doctors check these out
Consultant (disambiguation)


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to: navigation, search


Look up consultant in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

A consultant is a professional who provides advice in a particular area of expertise.

Consultant may also refer to:




Contents
[hide] 1 Types of consultants
2 Entertainment and fiction
3 Other uses
4 See also

Types of consultants[edit]
Public consultation, an often legally required process by which the public or affected parties may comment on major projects
Consultant (medicine), a medical specialist in the United Kingdom, Ireland, and Commonwealth of Nations, similar to an Attending physician in the United States
Consultant pharmacist
Creative consultant
Educational consultant
Elevator consultant
Employment consultant
Foreclosure consultant
Lactation consultant
Legal nurse consultant
Loss control consultant
Magic consultant
Management consultant
Media consultant
Native-speaker consultant, another term for Informant (linguistics)
Process consultant
Statistical consultant
Theatre consultant

Source :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consultant_(disambiguation)

erico2k2:

Ok Im back
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consultant_(medicine)
From the above link you will realize the term Consultant is a position within a HOSPITAL, its not a Degree.
Another for Pharmacists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consultant_pharmacist

I believe I have explained this in details in my last two comments.

erico2k2:

you are talking about Engineering right? let me ask you something, what type of Engineer are you? and what hierarchical measure do we have in place to measure who is on top in the field of Engineering.?

Very well. I'm an Electrical & Electronics Engineer by training (specialty telecommunications). Using my previous place of work, at the state level we had (top to bottom):

State Technical Head (Engineer)
Field Service Manager (Engineer & 2-ic to STH)
BSS/Tx Engineer + Power Engineer + 3G Engineer
Power Technician
Riggers

Same heirarchy pretty much applies to every technical/engineering. I have NEVER EVER seen an engineer report to a technician/technologists. Yes, most times the old seasoned technician is a bit more seasoned than a cherry engineer, same way a battle hardened Sargent/Sargent Major is way more experienced than a Leautenant fresh out of the Military Academy and Infrastry School, or some experienced nurses compared to Medical House Officers fresh from Medical School. But just as the NCO still reports to the young Officer, the Technician reports to Engineer. It is also expected that the Nurse, who hasn't even gone through a quarter of what's thrown at doctors at Medical School, submits to the authority of the doctor. They are NOT on par (equals) AT ALL.

drnoel:


It's what I tell people down here. U can imagine doctors from other parts of the Africa and the world that I met are laughing at nigeria cos they have also heard this news. Someone told me yesterday, so after all this year's u spent training at home and here. When u return a nursing sister will also be a consultant as u.

those ur Physian frnds are being unreasonable.

drnoel:


That's where u are wrong to say the position of consultant has no education requirements. It has everything education in it cos the person that becomes a consultant in medical practice must be a specialist in his/her field, may have been well published and must have experience in the particular field of his consultancy.

I know you have to be Educated to certain level to deem it fit to be a Consultant, however What I meant in my statement was You don't have to go and sturdy to be a Consultant, you acquire knowledge and experience to be a Consultant if I make any sense.

erico2k2:
for anybody who is still thinking Consultants is limited to just Doctors check these out
Consultant (disambiguation)


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to: navigation, search


Look up consultant in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

A consultant is a professional who provides advice in a particular area of expertise.

Consultant may also refer to:




Contents
[hide] 1 Types of consultants
2 Entertainment and fiction
3 Other uses
4 See also

Types of consultants[edit]
Public consultation, an often legally required process by which the public or affected parties may comment on major projects
Consultant (medicine), a medical specialist in the United Kingdom, Ireland, and Commonwealth of Nations, similar to an Attending physician in the United States
Consultant pharmacist
Creative consultant
Educational consultant
Elevator consultant
Employment consultant
Foreclosure consultant
Lactation consultant
Legal nurse consultant
Loss control consultant
Magic consultant
Management consultant
Media consultant
Native-speaker consultant, another term for Informant (linguistics)
Process consultant
Statistical consultant
Theatre consultant

Source :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consultant_(disambiguation)

4get ur ambiguous definition. We are talking about medicine and the health sector and who better can tell u what it means than one who is involved in every day dealings in that area.

ocelot2006:


Very well. I'm an Electrical & Electronics Engineer by training (specialty telecommunications). Using my previous place of work, at the state level we had (top to bottom):

State Technical Head (Engineer)
Field Service Manager (Engineer & 2-ic to STH)
BSS/Tx Engineer + Power Engineer + 3G Engineer
Power Technician
Riggers

Same heirarchy pretty much applies to every technical/engineering. I have NEVER EVER seen an engineer report to a technician/technologists. Yes, most times the old seasoned technician is a bit more seasoned than a cherry engineer, same way a battle hardened Sargent/Sargent Major is way more experienced than a Leautenant fresh out of the Military Academy and Infrastry School, or some experienced nurses compared to Medical House Officers fresh from Medical School. But just as the NCO still reports to the young Officer, the Technician reports to Engineer. It is also expected that the Nurse, who hasn't even gone through a quarter of what's thrown at doctors at Medical School, submits to the authority of the doctor. They are NOT on par (equals) AT ALL.
Im trying to engage you in an argument to a specific statement you made, now when you said you where Elect EElect Engineer by training how do you mean? did you have first Degree in Elect Elect? or you gained this on the training field?

Im trying to engage you in an argument to a specific statement you made, now when you said you where Elect EElect Engineer by training how do you mean? did you have first Degree in Elect Elect? or you gained this on the training field?

drnoel:


4get ur ambiguous definition. We are talking about medicine and the health sector and who better can tell u what it means than one who is involved in every day dealings in that area.

Did you not read the Bit about Medicine? Read my friend and comprehend, the definition of Consultants is same for every field, I even posted how it applies to Medicine and pharmacy, check again.

erico2k2:

Did you not read the Bit about Medicine? Read my friend and comprehend, the definition of Consultants is same for every field, I even posted how it applies to Medicine and pharmacy, check again.

Ok checking.....

drnoel:

What u don't understand is no one studies to be a consultant. Doctors don't study for consultancy but for specialist title. The consultancy position is conferred or the candidate who has the required degree title (as in has completed specialist training) and the necessary experience. So those people are just doing what they don't know.

and pls, what makes you feel I dnt knw what you jst posted?

erico2k2:

Did you not read the Bit about Medicine? Read my friend and comprehend, the definition of Consultants is same for every field, I even posted how it applies to Medicine and pharmacy, check again.

Have checked again. My answer remains the same to the one I posted earlier. 4get ur ambiguous definition cos it won't help here. I don't mean any disrespect so don't agitate urself. U need to know the idea behind the ideal of these people. See we don't care if all health sector achieve consultancy. What we care about is that we don't have to have our orders during patient management rescinded.

Samgreguc:

and pls, what makes you feel I dnt knw what you jst posted?

Don't really care if u did or didn't. Just let it rest.

drnoel:


4get ur ambiguous definition. We are talking about medicine and the health sector and who better can tell u what it means than one who is involved in every day dealings in that area.

why should he 4get his def.? Is it wrong?

drnoel:


Don't really care if u did or didn't. Just let it rest.

If u dont care, why quote me then?

drnoel:


Have checked again. My answer remains the same to the one I posted earlier. 4get ur ambiguous definition cos it won't help here. I don't mean any disrespect so don't agitate urself. U need to know the idea behind the ideal of these people. See we don't care if all health sector achieve consultancy. What we care about is that we don't have to have our orders during patient management rescinded.

Bro, I'm goinna say something, I don't mean it ina malicious way, how many Consultants do you know? and howmany do you know who work in private hospitals? There is a reason why I'm asking you, don't forget I have worked in one of Europe biggest hospital as well, for 5 years I'm used to clinical terms.