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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 9:06pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Candour: The above bold is a certified lie. Besides, if they don't, I am concluding they are Christians, can you name one church in Europe, any denomination that were or are against circumcision? Don't worry, I can wait. Take your time |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Goshen360(m): 9:08pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
trustman: 10000000000 likes. These guys are so greatly perverting scriptures. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 9:12pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
My broda, I was just seeking your clarification on this not accusing you of nothing. Let's wind up this circumcision thing. Are the said physical benefits of circumcision available to heathens as well? I took you through my position on the relationship between the Law and Grace. Once again, if it is reemphasized in the NT(love), not expressly forbidden(homosexuality), or its principle amplified (sin offering), run with it. When Holy Spirit inspires Paul to remind us that honoring parents carries a promise, that is Holy Spirit talking to me not Moses. When Hebrews tells me adulterers will be judged by God, that's not one of the Ten Commandments any more. Tithes are NEVER reemphasized despite numerous giving exhortations which would be IDEAL for just that. They are not forbidden. The principle behind tithing is amplified. Paul says ministers of the altar live off the altar meaning he has a right to be supported in/for his ministry. Unlike OT regime which were mandatory, we have 'without compulsion' and as 'one purposes in their heart'. Fixing a percentage even a 'minimum' 10% CONTRADICTS 'as you purpose' bit. I can't 'purpose in my heart' to give an externally set fraction. mbaemeka: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 9:13pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Gombs: ''Historically, the Roman Catholic Church denounced religious circumcision for its members in the Cantate Domino, written during the 11th Council of Florence in 1442.[46] This decision was based on the belief that baptism had superseded circumcision (Col 2:11-12), http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/FLORENCE.HTM#5 http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03777a.htm and you said you were catholic once upon a time? 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 9:18pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
vooks: I think the last paragraph pretty much settles it. but that doesn't go without saying if I want to 'tithe' the least I should give is 10%. Any other thing I add untop should be without compulsion et al. But if I am giving a freewill offering, then there is no holds barred. Cest fini |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 9:21pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Goshen360: Just one verse that says it was for only Israel. Just one. Meanwhile, Ismael was circumcised and he wasn't neither did he begat Israel. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 9:28pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Goshen360: You've always thought Abraham was an Isrealite na 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 9:32pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Gombs: Hahahahaha..#Trapped 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 9:36pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Candour: Europe during the renaissance? No, Anglican |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 9:36pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Gombs: Is my billions likes paining you? 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 9:39pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Gombs my broda before whom circumcision has been evidently set forth as devoid of ANY spiritual value,do you now understand why a Christian needs NO MARKS/SIGNS to be admitted to Abrahamic covenant/blessings which he received while yet uncircumcised? I have noted a tendency among the circumcised Christians to do the most intuitive; spiritualize their experience and look down on the 'uncut'. For all the supposed benefits of male circumcision, I endavor to caution my brethren against this haughtiness. If at any point in time your pastor ever suggested this, please share what we have shared here. Don't put unnecessary burden on Gentiles than the Holy Spirit would. Candour: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 9:44pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
trustman: Heheheheheh...pain me ke? You guys are from the same sewers of NL...from the boardroom na...I can't expect otherwise. What intrigues me is why some folks think Abraham was an isrealite. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 9:51pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Gombs: No, during the industrial revolution you make me laugh with your attempts to play smart. i thought you called it a certified lie? infact incase you don't know, the fact that Jews were the main promoters made it despicable to the average European. they detested Jews and anything Jewish. see another catholic historian gracious enough to go through catholic history with respect to circumcision http://guggiedaly..com/2014/05/why-catholics-dont-circumcise.html edit:@the bolded, see what you said on a thread last year Gombs: https://www.nairaland.com/1467991/anti-tithe-churches/2 like you asked me earlier, were you confused or you just tweaked the truth a little? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 9:52pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Gombs: I'll guess it's the same reason why Mba is not too pleased Oyaks called non tithers robbers |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:00pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Candour: But I did too.... you guys are robbing God. Now, don't change the tempo, in summary, are you saying circumcision was annulled together with Moses' law, in solidarity with vooks? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:04pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Candour: Born anglican, was outta church for 3 years, joined Catholic, did it few months...then I found rest. I said this not once here na,,, anglican, Catholic and then embassy. You can find the thread na. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 10:05pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Gombs: Good for you that you didn't break ranks with oyaks even though your bro agrees with me that it's a wrong doctrine. I'm sure even Joagbaje will disagree with you It's not a question of solidarity bro. Circumcision of the male foreskin has nothing to do with Christianity. Absolutely Nothing. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 10:05pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Gombs: ok then |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 10:11pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Gombs: Wind go soon blow and fowl yansh go ...... |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:14pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Candour: Bobo, was it annulled? That's all I asked. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:20pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
trustman: I am not as dishonest as you are. I have always spoken about the Anglican and Catholic Church I attended. Feed your eyes https://www.nairaland.com/1826244/making-grace-convention-2014/2#25004707 https://www.nairaland.com/1468651/why-pastors-collect-tithes-poor/1#18666173 Now, have yourself a good night. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Yooguyz: 10:26pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 10:27pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Gombs: you still dey ask? for something to be annuled, means it was in operation before. I tell you again, physical circumcision was/is totally nonexistent as far as Christianity is concerned. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 10:33pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Bidam: There is no need mentioning anything. I was certain that rather than own up to the wrong, you will justify yourself - and you have not disappointed. I attack false doctrine and false teachers; I have never attacked anyone's liberty, including their liberty to tithe. Bidam: I am sure Image can speak for himself. Oya, Image123, where have I ever attacked your liberty to tithe? Bidam: I criticize a false doctrine on compulsory tithing and false teachers who benefit illegally from this. No one can stop me. A prosperity gospel is the antithesis of the gospel of Jesus Christ and must be condemned with the strongest of terms. Prosperity preachers are false prophets. Bidam: Again, I propagate the gospel not a false self enrinching one. If you cannot tell who my mentors are, too bad. I can tell who yours are: they are the false teachers/prophets who preach doctrine of demons called prosperity in Nigeria. I know what has benefitted my Christian walk and they are certainly not anything in those men. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 10:46pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Candour: Exactly. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 10:52pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Gombs: You should clearly tell how I've been dishonest. You've been on this for a while now. We'll soon know who's been what. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 11:43pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Gombs:Lol, the guy's ignorance is in gigantic proportions, he joined his unlearned folk in the Malachi thread to expose his glaringly, alarmingly bible illiteracy and he expects us to take him serious here.SMH! 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 11:45pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
WinsomeX:Ok, Mr self righteous narrow is the way gospeller! Give it a rest. Some one mentioned thread should be closed. You don win. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 11:59pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Bidam: I remember that alot. Heheheheheh. No mind am. They are the true gospel preachers. How tragic! |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 12:00am On Nov 24, 2014 |
Bidam: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nlMediator: 12:47am On Nov 24, 2014 |
Candour: I like your Jesus example. If somebody preaches to large audiences and has only 20 people in his church, he can use the Jesus example to respond to those that claim that he doesn’t have a large church. Even though there may be other factors, e.g. he may have a nasty attitude, he has a legitimate claim to that excuse. But if somebody can only muster an audience of 20, say on a monthly basis, he needs to find out why people are not coming to listen to him. He has no legitimate claim to the Jesus example you gave. That’s the point you should bear in mind when you want to defend those whose blogs record only minimal visits. Tell them to see if they can increase their traffic, mindful of the fact that not all the visitors will receive their message. Encouraging people to hide under the excuse of broad and narrow way as you quoted is not right. Regarding the number of people in the churches you mentioned, I used the expression “truly saved.” Even the leaders of these churches know that not all their members are truly saved. So, my focus is on getting many people truly saved because even if we have 1 billion such people that still qualifies as narrow gate and few being chosen. BTW, I do not believe that Christ Embassy ha anywhere close to a million members, let alone millions. Their largest church outside Nigeria is South Africa and last I checked, it claimed an attendance of 40,000 members. In the U.S., it may be a total of 5,000 members from the various branches at the moment. There is a lot of room to grow; that’s why we need to encourage them in their global campaign, not attack them unnecessarily. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 2:45am On Nov 24, 2014 |
nlMediator: @the first bolded, who owns the church? the man or God? to whose glory is the size of the church? the man or God? Is the man after adding to the body of Christ or interested in smashing the record books for most prolific crowd puller? We have plenty crowd pullers in 'christiandom' who are simply dispensing poison on a massive scale and reaping handsomely in the process. @2nd bolded, pls attack the man with the blog as much as you like, it makes no difference to me. You'll never find me make a defense for it just as you'll never find me make a defense for any denomination. There are thousands of blogs jostling for space and attention on the WWW. My defense is for the pockets of believers in all corners of the globe making up the body of Christ, not one man's project. Mathew 7:13-14 is about the body of Christ, the one true church. Not about one man's blog or denomination or social club of 'christians'. Regarding the number of people in the churches you mentioned, I used the expression “truly saved.” Even the leaders of these churches know that not all their members are truly saved. So, my focus is on getting many people truly saved because even if we have 1 billion such people that still qualifies as narrow gate and few being chosen. These arguments are always about size, figures etc. Forget about the ''truly saved'' story. Its always about the earthly bragging rights like ''we have more money'', ''we have more branches'', ''we have more global presence'', ''we have more political and business leaders'' etc. It's about competition bro. My focus is on getting folks to know the truth and get a true relationship with Christ that puts them in the body of Christ, not enter a relationship with an MOG or a denomination. BTW, I do not believe that Christ Embassy ha anywhere close to a million members, let alone millions. Their largest church outside Nigeria is South Africa and last I checked, it claimed an attendance of 40,000 members. In the U.S., it may be a total of 5,000 members from the various branches at the moment. There is a lot of room to grow; that’s why we need to encourage them in their global campaign, not attack them unnecessarily. @the bolded. Those are my exact sentiments but i decide to go with the bogus claims of the members lest i be accused of being jealous of the BLW nation. one even claimed they have 20million members worldwide on another thread. God will not ask how many members CEC has on the last day neither will he ask for that of DLBC. He's only interested in adding to his church: The one body of Christ. CEC or any other denomination is very irrelevant in these discussions. I leave squabbling over denominational identity and figures to those interested in breaking the earthly record books for most attendance or most popular or most wealthy. You might have a million members swear affection for you but only 100 have a relationship with Christ and you might pastor 200 people and 175 are truly saved. Only God knows. God isn't interested in your loyal members, he's interested in his church:The body of Christ. Are your crowd part of that body? The road that leads to life is indeed straight and narrow......only a few will find it says the Lord and i believe him. 1 Like |
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