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Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by dhope: 7:04pm On Dec 02, 2014 |
this thing is very simple but it is just pple always lik to read and lay emphasis on bible verses dt seem to support their self-created biblical doctrine. i'l advise OP read his bible esp new testament alone frm begining to d end. d only person dt can object trinity in dis case is jw member because their bible version(new world translation) has been modified to support their doctrine regarding this and i hope OP is nt one. 1st chapter saint john says it all and if we shud consider d statement dt 'God created man in His image' and here u are as a man,u hav body,soul and spirit, then do u want to turn God to a liar if no body lik jesus is there to represent His body? to d best of my understanding God d father is synonymous to human spirit as spirit is life and our body is functioning because our spirit is still alive. as God d son is synonymous to our body. d difference being jesus body neva sin unlik ours |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by tartar9(m): 7:15pm On Dec 02, 2014 |
ayoku777:so you are still using error filled KJV the verses you quoted are mistranslations. |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by ayoku777(m): 7:49pm On Dec 02, 2014 |
Bidam: I keep saying to myself that I won't reply again on this topic, because its clear minds are made up about what we want to believe; but sometimes people think silence is admittance. If Jesus is equal to the Father in Godhead but lesser than Him in manhood; in what "hood" or sense is the Father his God? Because Jesus, after His resurrection said He is ascending to His Father and HIS GOD. So the Father is the God of the resurrected Christ. Or the rendition of "My God" that Jesus defined the Father with is different from the rendtition of "My God" that Thomas defined Jesus with? That explanation that They are equal in Godhead and not equal in manhood is pure sense interpretation. It has no basis in scripture. It is using sense to rationalize what you want the statement of Jesus to mean. You will find no scripture to help corroborate that that is what He meant by "My Father is greater than I". What is clear, however, and can be corroborated in scripture is that the resurrected Christ called the Father "My God". Your God is not your equal please, in any sense of interpretation. You don't need sense interpretation to decipher that. Unless Jesus and Thomas are equals too. 2 Likes |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by Nobody: 8:13pm On Dec 02, 2014 |
ayoku777:He called himself Son Of God and Son of Man. Does it mean that Man is greater than Jesus? Son of God expressed his deity, Son of Man expressed his humanity.Anyway You are entitled to your beliefs. The article makes alot of sense to me than your carnal interpretations of scripture. |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by dhope: 8:33pm On Dec 02, 2014 |
Bidam:ask him to tell us his religion here. u wont be surprised he might be a believer of a doctrine proposed by some group of 'whites' and dey hav backed it up by producing their own version of bible. |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by asalimpo(m): 8:49pm On Dec 02, 2014 |
PastorKun: you carefully side stepped verses tht disqualified ur twisted assumption. There's a verse tht said Jesus is equal to God? Trinity myth? Who was Jesus praying to in d Garden ? Himself? Who spoke at His baptism? Himself? Who descended on Him in the form of a dove? Himself? Wen Jesus said all blasphemy against the Son and the Father (creating clear distinctions) could b forgiven but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit wud never b forgiven (was He refering to Himself ? That wud b illogical) wen Jesus rose and sat at the right hand of God, no common sense bells rang in ur head ? Or is Jesus sitting besides Himself? 1 Like |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by asalimpo(m): 8:57pm On Dec 02, 2014 |
tartar9:y dont you give the precise correct interpretation and highlight the exact errors in d kjv? The Word is God ? How could the most authoritative version in d world misinterprete this? Mayb ur using twisted versions. |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by asalimpo(m): 9:02pm On Dec 02, 2014 |
ayoku777: procreate means conceive and birth after insemination. Y use this on God? Who did God procreate with? 1 Like |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by ayoku777(m): 9:03pm On Dec 02, 2014 |
Bidam: "My carnal interpretation of scripture" Carnal interpretation because I said the Son is not equal to the person scripture says He will be SUBJECT UNTO for eternity. (1Cor 15v28) Carnal interpretation because I said Jesus is not equal to the person He calls "MY GOD". (John 20v17) Carnal interpretation because I said Jesus is not equal to the person He said is "GREATER THAN I" (John 14v28) Carnal interpretation because I said Jesus is not equal to the person who gave "HIM TO HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF." (John 5v26) Wow, the mind is a powerful thing. I rest my case. 3 Likes |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by Nobody: 3:57am On Dec 03, 2014 |
ayoku777:CARNAL because you are the guy saying we have 3gods when scripture clearly stated ONE GOD, carnal because you built all your doctrine around the testimony of Jesus who made himself nothing by taking the VERY NATURE OF HUMAN FLESH AND HUMBLED HIMSELF. I bet if you are one of these false teachers during the time of Paul, you would have been at loggerheads with Paul and the Holy Spirit. You couldn't even explain the revelation God gave Apostle Paul. You deliberately dodged that and started building castles in the air. You can take up the arguments with Paul let's see whether your carnal interpretation of scriptures has a leg to stand on. We interpret scriptures by comparing scriptures with scriptures bro. Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery [size=16pt]to be equal with God[/size]: |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by ayoku777(m): 7:26am On Dec 03, 2014 |
Bidam: So scriptures I quoted of How God was anointed by His God in Psalms, and How God was with God in the beginning in John? All that doesn't mean there are two, of which one is greater than the other? All that meant nothing? Because you're making it sound like it was when Jesus took on the form of a man that He became less than the Father. But I showed you scriptures that proof that even as God, the Father was still His God And when He came into this world and He became the resurrected Christ, He still called the Father "My God" And when all things are subdued under Him and the kingdom is come to earth finally, He will be subject unto His Father forever. All these scriptures proof nothing? They are twisted interpretations? So all these scriptures mean nothing in the light of this one statement by Paul that Jesus is God, which I never said He's not? |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by asalimpo(m): 8:24am On Dec 03, 2014 |
ayoku777: stop yapping ignorantly. The verse bolded is not Negated. Jesus BEING EQUAL WITH GOD , means Jesus is every bit God as the Father is. You cant explain away tht verse with misapplied philosophy. Jesus is called God in John,were it says in the Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The operation of the God Head occurs in perfect unity, unity means coordination, without unity they'll b choas. The God Head agree that God will plan and Jesus and the Holy Spirit will execute. Otherwise ,they cudve gone off claimg equal rights and theyd b chaos and rebellion. The spirit of rebellion and mutiny is not of God but d Devil. What of the Holy Spirit? He is not God? Jesus said He will send the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit will not speak of Himself . Does tht mean the Holy Spirit is inferior to God Jesus? No! The Mighty Holy Spirit is the power of God, the entity that created the world,raised Jesus (with all mankind from the dead), knows all things,is of infinite wisdom etc an example is wife and husband relationship. Is the wife lower than the husband? No? But for the family to function optimally, they cannot be two captains, she has to submit to the husband,take orders from d husband , trust the judgement of the husband. But humans will feel like on is being bossed and will harbour resentment and rebell. But God isnt so. I.e the God head. 1 Like |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by ayoku777(m): 8:28am On Dec 03, 2014 |
And personality attack is the tactic used only by people who have run out of points to defend their opinion. They think if they can discredit your personality they can flaw your points in the eyes of others. They use it to score cheap points in debates It only works for carnal people and on carnal people. But those sincerely looking for truth see beyond personality attack. They look at the validity and sincere interpretations of the scriptures you're defending your points with. Paul, by the same revelation and prophetic insight that God gave him, saw how the Son will forever be subject unto the Father at the end of the age. 1Cor 15v28 -And when all things shall be subdued under Him, then shall the SON also himself BE SUBJECT UNTO HIM that put all things under Him. This is not a revelation of the past, of when He took on the form of a man, this is a revelation and prophecy of the eternal future, after His glorification and total enthronment. The SON will forever BE SUBJECT UNTO the Father; even after His full enthronment. They will NEVER be equal in authority for eternity. Please, if my interpretation of this scripture is insincere, twisted or false, then help untwist it. 2 Likes |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by ayoku777(m): 8:40am On Dec 03, 2014 |
asalimpo: Hmmm. Show me where the Holy Spirit is called God in scripture, not where you IMPLIED that is what the scriptures meant. Show me where Jesus is called Most High God in scripture, not where you IMPLIED that is what the scriptures meant. All the scriptures I've used to show that the Father is God to the Son and that they're not equals, are scriptures with direct, straight forward interpretations. I didn't even need to use deductive reasoning to draw the conclusions. Psalms calling the Father the God of the son Jesus calling the Father My God in John. The Son being subject unto the Father forever in 1Cor. How can you give this scriptures another interpretation, other than that the Father and the Son are NOT equals, without resorting to deductive reasoning? An the analogy you used of Husband and wife, is for Christ and the Church, not the Father and Jesus. And by your explanation, you're implying that the Church and Jesus are equal too, we just submit to Him out of courtesy. Because there can't be two captains. 1 Like |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by PastorKun(m): 10:43am On Dec 03, 2014 |
asalimpo: The only conclusion I come to after reading this thrash is that you lack basic comprehension skills and that you are extremely very daft. No point debating with you. 1 Like |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by An2elect2(f): 10:55am On Dec 03, 2014 |
PastorKun: Please can i ask you a question? Who is the Word in John1:1? Thanks in advance. |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by Debroslink: 6:24pm On Dec 03, 2014 |
Bidam: Abeg tell them ooh. Jesus is the Son of God makes him lesser than God. But Jesus is also the Son of man. That makes him lesser than man? Jesus praying to the Father does not make Him lesser than the Father. After all, the Father also prayed to Jesus in order to cast out Satan. Zechariah 3:2. |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by Boomark(m): 3:28pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
ayoku777: You are doing a great job bro but the bolded is wrong. There is no other will except the will of the Father, the God of Gods. He spoke and they were created. Assuming your word has the ability to establish things, when you speak things where created and when you don't nothing happens. It means you created things by your word, in other words your word created things. Remember you are the one that do the talking for it to happen, if not, nothing happens. This is what it means when they say all things were created by the word, the word of God. Bidam must start afresh unless he tells me why "We have the same Father as Jesus, Jn 20:17 and God the same way he does, Rev 3:12." The God of all(including those in heaven) has no God, 1 Cor 8:5-6. 1 Like |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by Boomark(m): 3:35pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
Debroslink: Seems delusion is multiplying super-geometrically. 1 Like |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by Boomark(m): 4:33pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
This is a question the trinitarians seems to have no answer to. I have been begging them for a reasonable answer. Please tell us why Christ (deity) has a God (the Father), Rev 3:12, the same way we do, Jn 20:17 and remained subject to his God in heaven as we all are, 1Cor 15:27-28? 1 Like |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by ayoku777(m): 5:01pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
Boomark: Thanks for that scripture -Rev 3v12 |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by Boomark(m): 6:16pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
ayoku777: You are welcome bro. That one is their ultimate undoing. Its a no go area for twisters. 1 Like |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by Nobody: 8:00am On Dec 11, 2014 |
Boomark:God is the source. Jesus is that reflection. Are you greater than your reflection? |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by malvisguy212: 8:41am On Dec 11, 2014 |
PastorKun:read here and understand the trinity. http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/trinity.html |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by PastorKun(m): 8:57am On Dec 11, 2014 |
malvisguy212: Won't bother reading the link, I have read all there is read read about the false doctrine of trinity, in all cases scripture had to be twisted or opinions forced into scripture to justify the heretic doctrine. Jesus already made it clear in crystal clear terms that the father is greater than he is and that does it for me. |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by Boomark(m): 9:09am On Dec 11, 2014 |
Bidam: It is too early to start digressing. This does not answer why we have the same Father and God like Jesus. Seems you have chosen to just say anything as your answer. To your digressed question, you are greater than your reflection. You eat and drink alone, you think and decide what to do, you do the talking, if you chose to do nothing you reflection obeys and does nothing. Answer for yourself who is greater. You have not answer my question. Your answer must connect all those involved in the question....God the Father, Jesus and Us. |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by Boomark(m): 9:16am On Dec 11, 2014 |
Bidam: It is too early to start digressing. This does not answer why we have the same Father and God like Jesus. Seems you have chosen to just say anything as your answer. To your digressed question, you are greater than your reflection. You eat and drink alone, you think and decide what to do, you do the talking, if you chose to do nothing you reflection obeys and does nothing. The source commands what is reflected. Your reflection can never direct your moves, it just follows. Answer for yourself who is greater. You have not answer my question. Your answer must connect all those involved in the question....God the Father, Jesus and Us. |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by RikoduoSennin(m): 9:25am On Dec 11, 2014 |
Bidam: How else is the source is the Head of the Reflection ? 1 corinthians 11:3 I see you avoiding the issue of Jesus having a God whom he answers to already.....lol. |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by Nobody: 9:40am On Dec 11, 2014 |
I didn't digress one bit, just answering your folly here, if we are to reason scriptures and not your carnal wordly intepretations of it. Boomark :God was the father of the first adam who he created in HIS IMAGE AND LIKENESS. Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1 is clear that Jesus created all things. Both the source( The uncreated Father) the Word( Jesus) and the Holy Spirit were involved in creation. Jesus(God) came as the second adam(without sin) to redeem mankind to the source. He came as the "pattern son", we are the adopted son..Do you understand? To your digressed question, you are greater than your reflection. You eat and drink alone, you think and decide what to do, you do the talking, if you chose to do nothing you reflection obeys and does nothing. Answer for yourself who is greater.And that is why you keep making this mistake by intepreting the word of God carnally. God is Spirit, He doesnt sleep, eat nor drink. Jesus( God) took the bodily form of man and came down to do these things. He reflects the father in thoughts, words and deeds and that automatically makes him same with the father.When you see Jesus, you have seen the Father. You cannot claim to see boomark and you see the father, that's laffable. You have not answer my question. Your answer must connect all those involved in the question....God the Father, Jesus and Us.Find out the meaning of the word Elohim and free yourself from your demonic doctrine. We are not in the same class with the Trinity. Even the jews who have the law called God their father. Abraham a mere man was referred in scriptures as a friend of God, but your carnal reasoning will inteprete that to mean Abraham was in the same class with God. |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by ichuka(m): 10:06am On Dec 11, 2014 |
Galatains:3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. mediating comprises of two sides aleast.side A(God) and side B(man). In the above verse Paul said that AlTHOUGH mediators mediate between more than one person.the B part of the verse starts with BUT¤that God is One.meaning theres only one side which is side A.Gods side.that is,in the aspect of Rédemption Man has no side.side A is God,if theres a side B He is God,and if by chance theres a Mediator He is God Himself.why? Because GOD IS ONE(na Brother Paul talk am). |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by RikoduoSennin(m): 7:22am On Dec 13, 2014 |
Man is a God Angel is a God Satan the Devil is a God Jesus is a Mighty God And Jehovah is the Almighty God, Most High over all who are called Gods. THE END. 1 Like |
Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by ihedinobi2: 6:11pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
ayoku777:Hopefully you understand this a lot better by now. But in case there is still a little way to go... The idea of the Trinity does not hold that Jesus is the Father or that the Holy Spirit is the Father. It holds that each of the Three is a distinct personality but that all Three are one God. There are not three Gods. There is only One. It is indeed a mystery, a hard thing to understand. But it is not impossible to understand even a little. 1 Like |
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