I am looking for sincere answers because I remember that the church in Jerusalem collected money from the rich in other to take care of those who do not have.
Now I know that many Nigerians are faithful tithe and first fruit payers. Some sow big seeds.
Many of you have done much to help in building those mansions and even the universities.
Now I want to know how the church helped you when you were in financial difficulty. Jesus did not only preach the word of God. He also feed five thousand men the first time a boy gave his food for all.

na DAT one you look for abi? church shouldn't be a place for giving out money but a place where people come and here the word that change there lives, after all there is power in the word....it is spirit and life. if you begin to make church a place of giving out money, then you have open way for satan, demons and his agent. that means I will not be focused on the word and faith in God but on money.

peteregwu:
na DAT one you look for abi? church shouldn't be a place for giving out money but a place where people come and here the word that change there lives, after all there is power in the word....it is spirit and life. if you begin to make church a place of giving out money, then you have open way for satan, demons and his agent. that means I will not be focused on the word and faith in God but on money.

Som ppl actually go to chc to seek for help tho

i must say that MOST of our churches are guilty of not caring for the needs of the members.
it has become a case of you're OYO

AdeniyiA:
i must say that MOST of our churches are guilty of not caring for the needs of the members.
it has become a case of you're OYO

And yet the church takes their money, why ?

peteregwu:
na DAT one you look for abi? church shouldn't be a place for giving out money but a place where people come and here the word that change there lives, after all there is power in the word....it is spirit and life. if you begin to make church a place of giving out money, then you have open way for satan, demons and his agent. that means I will not be focused on the word and faith in God but on money.

The church should cater for the needs of the members. The church recorded in Acts of Apostle is an example for us to follow.
Nigerian church should not only collect from members. They should also assist young school leavers and graduate set up their business. That way people will be happy to pay tithe.

Hmmm

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Abeggy

Nah counselling church go give u ooo, if u think say dem go gv u money nah sorry b ur other name

Bt op waiting u deh fine church money for? U know go go work?

golor:
Bt op waiting u deh fine church money for? U know go go work?

Am not looking for church money but it is a reality that many people needs helping hands and the church should be able to help people start business and even pay house rent.
Should the monies collected only be for the pastors and bishops.

If d church cant meet d material and spiritual needs of the members then wat is its use.
Material needs in special as God directs cases.
Nigerian churches are greedy selfish grasping and inconsiderate just like the members in them.
Jesus not only preached but fed the people. That was a material provision.
Jesus gave to the poor , because wen Judas went out to betray Him, the disciples though he was going to give money to d poor.

The church shud go back to practicing consideration of the poor,old,weak and orphans.
A pastor shudnt amass anoda new car/jet if members are groaning in poverty.

But like i said, giving shud b as God directs. The church isnt a job replacement doling out money to every tom dick and harry.

I have seen guys in church that are jobless and I will be like why can't we help this guys become productive. The church has enough money but the members are still
Living in penury.so painful.

lastmessenger:

The church should cater for the needs of the members. The church recorded in Acts of Apostle is an example for us to follow.
Nigerian church should not only collect from members. They should also assist young school leavers and graduate set up their business. That way people will be happy to pay tithe.

you don't seem to understand what you are saying, that's to some extent. but when you begin to do that, you have turned the church to be something else. people will no longer come to church to be saved by the word, but for money and help to do other things. in fact no matter what you will preach, they will not heed to it. there hearts will be locked up in what you will give them next....the money,the help. you will be breeding hypocrites in the church and bunch of lazy people that will depend on church money. you will not be able to raise soldiers of the Lord but rather you will raise up. hungry and weak men and women of God. such are not fit for the kingdom of God because Satan and demons will outdo them.

peteregwu:


you don't seem to understand what you are saying, that's to some extent. but when you begin to do that, you have turned the church to be something else. people will no longer come to church to be saved by the word, but for money and help to do other things. in fact no matter what you will preach, they will not heed to it. there hearts will be locked up in what you will give them next....the money,the help. you will be breeding hypocrites in the church and bunch of lazy people that will depend on church money. you will not be able to raise soldiers of the Lord but rather you will raise up. hungry and weak men and women of God. such are not fit for the kingdom of God because Satan and demons will outdo them.

Are you then saying the church should only collect and not give back to the members. Remember the first church in Jersualem. Remember the missionary schools which some of our parents attended without paying money.
Why is that the Nigerian church is only interested in building magnificent church buildings? Can't we have a schem whereby unemployed school leavers and graduates could write business and ten or twenty among the all the proposals be chosen and funded by the church offering and tithe.

The church money is not main for helping people, it is for outreach, for evangelism and for the church upkeep and other things. that's the primary purpose!

church could help in some way depending on who such a person is to the church, you can't just come from any where and expect the church to help you. but the primary purpose of church is to prepare people to go to heaven. in the time of Israelites, synagogue are not built to help people, it is people that comes to give to the upkeep of the synagogue and in return they are blessed. you can't give to God and remain poor, that's a lie from the devil. you can't give above God. the bible says "whatever you sow, that shall ye also reap." Galatians 6:7.

God says we should not come to his house empty. many claimed to be believers but ignorant of the bible. church is not called help people go to school and pay hospital bills, or house rent, the church is empowered to breed soldiers of the Lord that are full of power to become a light to the world and not breed beggers or liabilities. how could someone grow to be a strong believer like that, when the church is feeding you and paying for your bills in the house, you become nothing but bread abd butter christian. the church will now have control over you and not the holy spirit. you become a slave rather than a free believer by the spirit of the Lord.

let believers just grow up and stop looking for pity. we are serving the all wise, powerful, miracle and wonder work in God.

don't you know that when the children of God were in the wilderness, they were still giving to the work of God? read your bible brethren. "you do err because you know not the scripture."


Exodus 30:12 "When thou takest the sum of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them; that there be no plague among them, when thou numberest them. 30:13 This they shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs an half shekel shall be the offering of the LORD. 30:14 Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD. 30:15 The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls. 30:16 And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls."


Exodus 36:3 "And they received of Moses all the offering, which the children of Israel had brought for the work of the service of the sanctuary, to make it withal. And they brought yet unto him free offerings every morning. 36:5 And they spake unto Moses, saying, The people bring much more than enough for the service of the work, which the LORD commanded to make. 36:6 And Moses gave commandment, and they caused it to be proclaimed throughout the camp, saying, Let neither man nor woman make any more work for the offering of the sanctuary. So the people were restrained from bringing. 36:7 For the stuff they had was sufficient for all the work to make it, and too much."

"man shall not live by bread alone, but by the word that proceeded out of the mouth if God.'

YOU ARE TO HELP THE CHURCH AND NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND, THAT'S WHY GOD COUNTED YOU AMONG THE SAINTS. HELP FROM THE CHURCH LEADS TO POVERTY AND PENURY. BUT HELP DIRECT FROM GOD LEADS TO RICHES AND WEALTH AND GOOD HEALTH, THEN YOU WILL GROW IN FAITH AND DEPENDETH UPON GOD AND THE HOLY GHOST, YOU WILL DO EXPLOIT AND YOU BECOME THE PILLAR OF THE CHURCH IN EVERYWAY.

Peter you are only saying that the members should give to the church and not the other way round. Does it mean that the early church was wrong is making sure that those who do not have are catered for?
In the Nigerian scenario where ministers love like king out of the church money. Don't you think that something is wrong.
Christianity is not Islam where the focus is only on God even if it means the people should be killed.
The truth is that the church should help her members. The poor should be helped to come our of their poverty.i have seen prople who a faction of what is spent on pastor chris birthday could have changed their lives but the church would rather host birthday than help a poor member.Every money should not only go the pastors and bishops

lastmessenger:
Peter you are only saying that the members should give to the church and not the other way round. Does it mean that the early church was wrong is making sure that those who do not have are catered for?
In the Nigerian scenario where ministers love like king out of the church money. Don't you think that something is wrong.
Christianity is not Islam where the focus is only on God even if it means the people should be killed.
The truth is that the church should help her members. The poor should be helped to come our of their poverty.i have seen prople who a faction of what is spent on pastor chris birthday could have changed their lives but the church would rather host birthday than help a poor member.Every money should not only go the pastors and bishops

my friend I cant enforce the word of God on anyone. The word of God will only prosper those that understands it. what I have explained here is based on the word of God and not just by my wisdom or understanding. if I give to God for the work of God, he will prosper me, the bible says, "it is more blessed to give than to receive."

the problem of many believers today is that, most of them are in the wrong place of worship. before you go to any church, pls pray and let God reveal the foundation of that church to you. it could be that some are giving to a church that has satanic foundation. pls I never mentioned any church's name o.

Luke 21:3 "And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all: 21:4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had."

Everyone can't be rich, but if anyone is poor and want to be lifted up, then learn to follow Jesus and to give for the work of God in a place with true foundation, you will reap bountifully.

John 12:3 "Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. 12:4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, 12:5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. 12:7 Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this. 12:8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always."

peteregwu:


my friend I cant enforce the word of God on anyone. The word of God will only prosper those that understands it. what I have explained here is based on the word of God and not just by my wisdom or understanding. if I give to God for the work of God, he will prosper me, the bible says, "it is more blessed to give than to receive."

the problem of many believers today is that, most of them are in the wrong place of worship. before you go to any church, pls pray and let God reveal the foundation of that church to you. it could be that some are giving to a church that has satanic foundation. pls I never mentioned any church's name o.

Everyone can't be rich, but if anyone is poor and want to be lifted up, then learn to follow Jesus and to give for the work of God in a place with true foundation, you will reap bountifully.

John 12:3 "Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. 12:4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, 12:5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. 12:7 Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this. 12:8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always."

Is the work of God only in building new churches, paying pastors salary and going on evangelism. Didn't Jesus take care of the poor? Is taking care of the poor not part of the work of God? Is it a lie that some people need financial help? Is it a lie that the Nigerian church could help its members get out of poverty by giving soft loans? Should our concern be only in building church houses and schools where high fee are collected?
The church can help its members get out of poverty.God does not throw money down from heaven. God works through people and organisations in helping his people.the first church took care of the poor, the missionaries built schools for us and so should our present Nigeria church.

peteregwu:
na DAT one you look for abi? church shouldn't be a place for giving out money but a place where people come and here the word that change there lives, after all there is power in the word....it is spirit and life. if you begin to make church a place of giving out money, then you have open way for satan, demons and his agent. that means I will not be focused on the word and faith in God but on money.

I disagree with you brother. Read acts 4:34-36

34 Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, 35 and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need.

36 And Joses,[d] who was also named Barnabas by the apostles (which is translated Son of Encouragement), a Levite of the country of Cyprus, 37 having land, sold it, and brought the money and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

honourhim:


I disagree with you brother. Read acts 4:34-36

34 Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, 35 and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need.

36 And Joses,[d] who was also named Barnabas by the apostles (which is translated Son of Encouragement), a Levite of the country of Cyprus, 37 having land, sold it, and brought the money and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

just like I said before whether you agree with me or not, there areas where the church will help depending on who that person is to the church. that is what I said. you people are just saying as if say na the church go carry you for hand they breast feed you. there is no church that does not offer some little help, but they are limited, and that is not the purpose of the church. Acts 3:2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple; 3:3 "Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms. 3:4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us. 3:5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them. 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk."

How many needs will the church cater for, him many people do you want to feed? if the church falls to such, then the church will become gluttonous and powerless.

John 6:26 "Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled. 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."

lastmessenger:
Peter you are only saying that the members should give to the church and not the other way round. Does it mean that the early church was wrong is making sure that those who do not have are catered for?
In the Nigerian scenario where ministers love like king out of the church money. Don't you think that something is wrong.
Christianity is not Islam where the focus is only on God even if it means the people should be killed.
The truth is that the church should help her members. The poor should be helped to come our of their poverty.i have seen prople who a faction of what is spent on pastor chris birthday could have changed their lives but the church would rather host birthday than help a poor member.Every money should not only go the pastors and bishops

I have only one verse for you in the bible; Matthew 26:11 "For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always."

so you want become the government that always claim they want to eradicate poverty. don't you know that if all is rich, how will God deal with us. poverty makes us draw closer to God. we are humbled by poverty and sometimes God lift us from there after we must have seeked and found him. all the dirty work in the church sometimes are mostly done by poor people. I speak with experience and you know it. just because you see poor people in the church does not mean it is forever. God understand and and sometimes God uses the pastor to open there eyes through the word. pls church is not government and not should be seen as an NGO.

peteregwu:


I have only one verse for you in the bible; Matthew 26:11 "For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always."

so you want become the government that always claim they want to eradicate poverty. don't you know that if all is rich, how will God deal with us. poverty makes us draw closer to God. we are humbled by poverty and sometimes God lift us from there after we must have seeked and found him. all the dirty work in the church sometimes are mostly done by poor people. I speak with experience and you know it. just because you see poor people in the church does not mean it is forever. God understand and and sometimes God uses the pastor to open there eyes through the word. pls church is not government and not should be seen as an NGO.

Ok I get your point that the poor according to Jesus will always be among us but I also know that Jesus will be happy to see us show real love for the poor.
We love to buy air planes which are costly to maintain in the name of preaching when in reality we preach nothing.we regurgitate the same old things and tell the large mass to support our work.
This is nothing but wickedness though folks will have us believe they are being led by the spirit of. Jesus said if you have two shoes and you see a brother that have none that your Christian responsibility is to give the brother one shoe.
In my opinion if the church which is Christ does nothing to help her poor members then what do you expect the corrupt government to do.
One man wants to build 4km square building where people will gather when we are told that God is everywhere. Why can't programs be aired on TV and people stay in their homes and watch. This is the problem with Nigerian churches always building expensive churches when the people that should be built up are neglected.

lastmessenger:

Ok I get your point that the poor according to Jesus will always be among us but I also know that Jesus will be happy to see us show real love for the poor.
We love to buy air planes which are costly to maintain in the name of preaching when in reality we preach nothing.we regurgitate the same old things and tell the large mass to support our work.
This is nothing but wickedness though folks will have us believe they are being led by the spirit of. Jesus said if you have two shoes and you see a brother that have none that your Christian responsibility is to give the brother one shoe.
In my opinion if the church which is Christ does nothing to help her poor members then what do you expect the corrupt government to do.
One man wants to build 4km square building where people will gather when we are told that God is everywhere. Why can't programs be aired on TV and people stay in their homes and watch. This is the problem with Nigerian churches always building expensive churches when the people that should be built up are neglected.

I so much and deeply understand what you mean. if you had read my post earlier, I said not all churches are from God. some are from Satan and satan has his messages. that is why I said before you go to a church or become a member of any church pls pray fervently, don't just rush into it. you can as well fast and pray....that is if truly you wanna go to heaven, so that you will be guided by his Spirit. I also hope you understand me too. God bless you.

peteregwu:


I so much and deeply understand what you mean. if you had read my post earlier, I said not all churches are from God. some are from Satan and satan has his messages. that is why I said before you go to a church or become a member of any church pls pray fervently, don't just rush into it. you can as well fast and pray....that is if truly you wanna go to heaven, so that you will be guided by his Spirit. I also hope you understand me too. God bless you.

God bless you too.

peteregwu:


just like I said before whether you agree with me or not, there areas where the church will help depending on who that person is to the church. that is what I said. you people are just saying as if say na the church go carry you for hand they breast feed you. there is no church that does not offer some little help, but they are limited, and that is not the purpose of the church. Acts 3:2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple; 3:3 "Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms. 3:4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us. 3:5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them. 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk."

How many needs will the church cater for, him many people do you want to feed? if the church falls to such, then the church will become gluttonous and powerless.

John 6:26 "Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled. 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."

How much percentage of the money that comes into the church is used to cater to the needs of the poor? And what percentage goes to the pastor?

Bro let's be honest, churches have failed big time in this regard.

honourhim:


How much percentage of the money that comes into the church is used to cater to the needs of the poor? And what percentage goes to the pastor?

Bro let's be honest, churches have failed big time in this regard.

Thank God that I am not the only one thinking like this. Just check out the money spent on pastor chris birthday and you will understand the injustice that is going on.

honourhim:


How much percentage of the money that comes into the church is used to cater to the needs of the poor? And what percentage goes to the pastor?

Bro let's be honest, churches have failed big time in this regard.

so your own is to peep into the church account. so if they put you in the account department, wet in go come happen? kasa! you'd own na church percentage you go dey meditate. many people are just poor in the heart and minds, it doesn't matter if they are rich physically or not.

so who told you church has failed, that means you are not following Gods time table or the move of the holy spirit. the church can't fail, because Jesus is the head of the church and he can never , never fail. the church is winning.

peteregwu:


so your own is to peep into the church account. so if they put you in the account department, wet in go come happen? kasa! you'd own na church percentage you go dey meditate. many people are just poor in the heart and minds, it doesn't matter if they are rich physically or not.

so who told you church has failed, that means you are not following Gods time table or the move of the holy spirit. the church can't fail, because Jesus is the head of the church and he can never , never fail. the church is winning.

We need to go back to root of Christianity which is loving one another. In my opinion love is real lacking in today's churches.pastors living large while the members are still suffering.
Truth is that not everyone will be rich but that does not mean the church should not help those who are poor.
For heavens sake we are the light of the world. If all the money we collect in tithe and offering only goes toward erecting mansions for some men to shine then we have missed it.

YES! my church helped me to become poorer from poor