Eberex:


You can believe what so ever you want to. You can even believe he doesn't exist, who gives a poo. Just don't infect us with your unbelief

BrightEye:


Something found to be convincing could no longer be an imagination, but maybe reality out of other realms, which couldn't be proven in the world of space and time.

Eberex post=30050253[/quote][quote author=Pr0ton:


Good reasoning, but you fail logic. How can those words in bold be possible? Trillions of trillions of vibrations per semi-second?

Pr0ton:


Ok then.

Imagination should not be asserted in the context of time and space except it can be proven to be true.

davien:
This claim is made by perhaps virtually every theist that wants to offer apologetics to the question of where "god" is.

My issue with this is that,besides the fact that the doctrines involved makes no such claim(or atleast claims "god" coming from "the clouds" ).

There is virtually no way to even state whether space and time has an outside,because it(space and time) encompasses all of existence..It would be the same as claiming space has an edge.
So if space-time encompasses all of existence(as far as we can tell),then what does the theist mean by claiming "god" lies outside existence as though it were known that existence contains an "outside"..

If you would like to offer your views to this,please do.

LordReed:


Question for you, what is the universe expanding into?

PastorAIO:
Mr Davien, I don't like how you are just blatantly ignoring me. Deze bloods you are sharing. Dairis God o! No wahala.

davien:
Sorry for the late replies everyone....I was at work,now before giving you the answer you should be aware that the universe is part-vacuum(well most of space)part-energy(dark energy being more abundant) and part-matter(dark matter also more abundant),with the geometry of space being flat....all of those properties combined,gives us a universe that expands into itself having infinite expansions between celestial bodies....

LordReed:


Bolded is impossible. Something cannot expand into itself, expansion means in a sense acquiring more volume or filling out a volume. If the universe is expanding then it is either "acquiring volume" or filling out some other volume. The corollary is the is an outside of the universe so in essence the is an outside of space.

BTW the geometry can hardly be called flat if it is expanding in all directions at once.

davien:
This is why one needs to comprehend something before replying....why we say the universe is flat is because any given line drawn from points(a,b, and c) in space stay parallel(plus the mathematical derived geometry from the nature of the cosmic microwave background)
And why I said space expands into itself is because it's in a 4-dimensional plane and hence just expands(carrying everything along with it)......although my answer is just how I understand it....the scholarly answer is that your question does not apply to 4-dimensional expanding space..

timonski:
science!!!

Eberex:


The solar system as well as the whole galaxies can NEVER be covered by man, NEITHER its knowledge nor size. Then you cannot expect man to fathom how large it is. God is the creator of everything. Any attempt to try and measure how big God is is total madness!

Eberex:


The solar system as well as the whole galaxies can NEVER be covered by man, NEITHER its knowledge nor size. Then you cannot expect man to fathom how large it is. God is the creator of everything. Any attempt to try and measure how big God is is total madness!

Jameselias:
All is energy all is vibration It lies on your understanding of the mechansim of vibration as it relates to time. Time is the distances b/w two event but if the vibration of a thing is so high that it can vibrate for say trillions of trillions per semi-second then for such a being or thing time virtually cease for such a thing God is in such infinit vibration again God is not as it is presented by religion

malvisguy212:
God is a spirit(john 4:20) a spirit do not need matter to exist,a spirit does not bound by our understanding of time,science cannot explained the nature of God.

macof:


So then was there Time before the big bang?

malvisguy212:
God is a spirit(john 4:20) a spirit do not need matter to exist,a spirit does not bound by our understanding of time,science cannot explained the nature of God.

Jameselias:
did u see big bang in my writting

macof:



not that I don't agree with you but Bible verses pls

Jameselias:
human beings have or are spirit existing in a body(matter)that's by the way. It is not so the different b/w what u call spirit and matter is vibrational difference spirit are matter in higher vibration matter are spirit in lower vibration

malvisguy212:
God is not a material object that needed time to exist, there are many prophecies in the bible that the prophet use present tens, among many is isaiah,"unto us a child IS born" this is present tens for future event.

And I present many verses in my first post that indicated God is acting out side time.

davien:
why do you use a present tense sentence in expectation of future tense.....is that how it's used in english...

malvisguy212:
God is not a material object that needed time to exist, there are many prophecies in the bible that the prophet use present tens, among many is isaiah,"unto us a child IS born" this is present tens for future event.

And I present many verses in my first post that indicated God is acting out side time.

LordReed:


Bolded is impossible. Something cannot expand into itself, expansion means in a sense acquiring more volume or filling out a volume. If the universe is expanding then it is either "acquiring volume" or filling out some other volume. The corollary is the is an outside of the universe so in essence the is an outside of space.

BTW the geometry can hardly be called flat if it is expanding in all directions at once.

macof:


You said a spirit is not bound by our understanding of time
Pls use Bible to explain...or u only quote the Bible when it suits you?

malvisguy212:
God is a spirit, bible say "one thousands years is like yesterday to God" there are many things you guys don't know. I just pray God revealed Himself to you guys. Thank you for your time.

davien:
So the bible tells you what "god" is? so how do you know the bible is true then?...bible says bible is true?

malvisguy212:
the bible is not written for scientific purpose ,it is written for men who want to have a personal relationship with his creator, but the bible make some scientific claimed that science did not confirmed it until recently,the bible say the universe is temporary the bible even went on and claimed "God expend the universe " the bible claimed the universe had a beginning, although not All scientists agreed on this, BUT majority of scientists agree the universe had a beginning.All this discovery are not confirmed until now. This is why I believe the bible is the word of God.

malvisguy212:
when you dream,your spirit travels a far distance from your body, but in a real sens you are asleep for only a minute. The bible do not give information about what you want, but the bible make it clear that God dwell in a spiritual realm.
( Isaiah:57:15).
We live in a physical world with its four
known space-time dimensions of length,
width, height (or depth) and time. The
God of the Bible, however, dwells in a
different dimension" the spirit realm"
beyond the natural perception of our
physical senses. It's not that God isn't
real; it's a matter of Him not being
limited by the physical laws and
dimensions that govern our world. He is spirit (John:4:24).

malvisguy212:
when you dream,your spirit travels a far distance from your body, but in a real sens you are asleep for only a minute. The bible do not give information about what you want, but the bible make it clear that God dwell in a spiritual realm.
( Isaiah:57:15).
We live in a physical world with its four
known space-time dimensions of length,
width, height (or depth) and time. The
God of the Bible, however, dwells in a
different dimension" the spirit realm"
beyond the natural perception of our
physical senses. It's not that God isn't
real; it's a matter of Him not being
limited by the physical laws and
dimensions that govern our world. He is spirit (John:4:24).