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| A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by CAPTIVATOR: 1:22pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
The hebrew word rendered "soul" in d scriptures is {ne'phesh} . What do you think about Numbers 6:6 ? NUMBERS 6:6 " All the days of his keeping separate to Yahweh he may not come toward any dead soul (ne'phesh) " !! The above is a deadly blow to the doctrine of immortal soul , DEAD SOUL (DEAD NEPHE'SH)many translators decode this and thus render /nephe'sh/ as " body" or " person" to preserve the big lie ! So it sounds " dead body" or " dead person" ......... THE TRUTH will always prevail even after many years of lies, When will christendom wake up from this tactic of preservin doctrines instead of rendering pure undiluted word of God . 3 Likes |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by CAPTIVATOR: 9:41pm On Jan 20, 2015 |
Numbers 6:6 |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by CAPTIVATOR: 10:29am On Jan 23, 2015 |
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| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by vooks: 11:16am On Jan 23, 2015 |
Working too hard to push your thread to front page  CAPTIVATOR: 1 Like |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by dolphinheart(m): 2:49pm On Jan 23, 2015 |
Been asking, what's the gain one recieves when his thread is on front page. Money dey there? |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by CAPTIVATOR: 5:15pm On Jan 23, 2015 |
vooks: Not at all ...... How are u doing ? |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by twosquare(m): 7:02pm On Jan 23, 2015 |
CAPTIVATOR:although there is nothing like immortality of the soul, the soul can be killed by God(literal destruction now)...but the scriptures u quoted is "dead body" not "dead soul". This is an ordinance meant for Nazirites; that they shouldn't come near any dead body. A soul can be rendered "dead" while still living...any soul that can no longer respond to YHWH is dead and it isn't a one day journey for the soul to attain a state of death. This type of death can be perpetrated by a spirit(satan) but the soul can literally be destroyed by God. When u hear "every living soul should praise God"...it is not those who have breathe in them but whose soul can respond to the will of YHWH. By obedience, they have acquired LIfe and they are considered "living" but some souls are dead, even though they have breathe in their body. Such souls are gone. But about the immortality of souls, no soul is immortal...immortality is the ability of not dying. Immortality can't respond to death and that's what God lives by, that's His realm. Fear Him who can destroy both the soul and body in hell.(Matt 10:28). The soul can be destroyed. He who can destroy spirits, soul is a piece of cake. |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by vooks: 7:28pm On Jan 23, 2015 |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by dolphinheart(m): 7:35pm On Jan 23, 2015 |
twosquare: What is soul ? |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 8:30am On Jan 24, 2015 |
twosquare: The root meaning of ne'phesh(the Hebrew word for soul) means "breathe" and in a literal sense ne'phesh can be rendered as a"breather." Soul = living being, individual, person. Well, that's the bible's definition of the word "soul." But secularly, soul is the immaterial, intangible, invisible and immortal part of a person. Over the years, this secular definition of soul which originated from Greek philosophy(actually plato and socrates) has gained popularity. |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by Hiswordxray(m): 2:36pm On Jan 24, 2015 |
CAPTIVATOR:The Hebrew word for soul literally mean "living being". This word is used for both animals and human being. But the word is used in the Bible in two way: 1) Outward living being (the body or the flesh) 2) Inward living being (which is the spiritual embodiment of the heart and the mind). This is not the spirit but it is something spiritual that only humans have and it controls our emotions and the way we think. It is were all our decisions are made that is why God will judge the soul and put it in Hell if it's evil. The problem with you J.W is that you don't believe in spirit. The soul is different from the spirit (Heb 4:12). Yes the spirit is the breath of God but there is also another spirit called the spirit of man (Pro 20:27). So the soul as a spiritual aspect which is immortal and it also have a fleshly aspect which is mortal because the soul is the connection of the spirit and body. The soul is partly spirit and partly flesh. |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by Nobody: 5:10pm On Jan 24, 2015 |
Man has 5 bodies 1. Physical Body 2. Astral Body 3. Causal Body 4. Mental&Etheric Body 5. Soul Of all these bodies, Soul [The Circled Body In The Picture Below] is the only body that does not, and can not die.
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| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by dolphinheart(m): 5:30pm On Jan 24, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: One thing I know about man is that , apart from an external spiritual influence, all ur thoughts and thinking process are governed by what you have seen with your physical eyes, heard with ur physical ears, felt with your physical body and smelled with ur physical nose . They are also governed by the capacity or ability of ur physical body to absorb and retain the Information giving ( example is the difference between a scholar and a dunce) Our emotions are also governed by our physical body and can also be altered by physical things . You can be happy, sad, angry, hopeful and have faith by what you physicaly see , hear, learn, feel, touch , all of which are physical. If you say its the inward soul(partly spirit)which is not biblical anyways , that control our emotions , then you are wrong. If you go to Aro or yaba left, you will see where physical components and methods are used to alter the emotions, thought process and attitude of man . A single physical drug, when administered to ur physical body , can make you mad, insane, see ilussions, dream, believe in things u are normaly not supposd to blieve in. Like wise a single physical drug can make you think better and reason better. This is why I strongly believe the bible when it said that God created adam(man) from the physical dust (just like animals), god blew into his nostrils the breathe of life/spirit/life force (just like animals )and that man(adam) became a living soul(became, not having a soul) That man is dust , not a spirit soul is emphasized when God passed judgement on adam after he sinned. God told him what he is , saying : from dust you are(not spirit you are)and dust you return to(same eventuality with animals) . That's why when man dies(when that breathe/spark/lifeforce leaves his physical body due to his body innability to sustain or retain it) his thoughts , ambition,goals beliefs, hate, love , hope , do perish with him cus those things are governed and retained by that physical body(brain) which is now no longer functional . So I dnt believe the soul is in 2 parts 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by Hiswordxray(m): 7:05pm On Jan 24, 2015 |
dolphinheart:I'm sorry I didn't explain myself well. What I'm saying is that the soul is partly spiritual and partly natural. Yes our emotions can be altered by physical things but it can also be altered by spiritual things. I'm sorry I missed things up in my explanation. When your hear God speak and receive revelation from God, did you hear it with your physical ear or in your spirit? I don't know of you but I have known things in my spirit. I have felt things that is not affected by anything physical. I have seen myself get excited and burst into laughter when nothing is funny. I have felt overwhelming love for people I just meet the first time - I felt God's love for people in such supernatural way. I have felt sudden joy that I could hardly control, a kind the Bible calls "joy unspeakable". I have felt God's love for me in a way that it almost melt me. All these emotions didn't involved anything physical but I felt them. And I knew things supernaturally that I later find to be accurate. So yes our emotions can be influence by both spiritual and physical things. Concerning Adam, God called him dust or flesh after he die spiritually. Jesus explained that being born again is when the Holy spirit gives birth to our spirit (John 3:6). When man died spiritually he became flesh (dust) but when we were born again we became spirit clothed with a flesh. The Holy Spirit gave birth to our spirit and our spirit is immortal. Therefore the part of our soul connected to our spirit is immortal. 1 Like |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by dolphinheart(m): 9:24pm On Jan 24, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: Sir, ill still say you are wrong, soul is soul, whether its spiritualy alive or spiritualy dead.it is not divided in any form (no where is that explicitly stated). I said unless the soul is affected by an external spirit force , eg the holy spirit, our thoughts , happiness, sadness, envy , etc is being totally governed by our physical body. (1) God speaks to me through the scriptures (his word) and I get to know it by physicaly reading and physicaly hearing about it. I take in this knowledge, process it and believe what it says . Most people who heard Gods words in the scriptures heard it physicaly with their ears. I dnt (unlike others) need a spirit to come first prove to me that what is in the scriptures is right. I dnt need to personaly receive a revelation to believe in God as the scriptures is inspired of God and completely equipped for every good works, enough for me to have faith,believe in it and thus gain Evalasting life. (2)if you feel anything not from physical source, its either its from an external spirit force or you mind playing Games with you. if you bust into laughter when nothing is funny , then its Ur memory (info physicaly stored in ur brain ) coupled with the right conditions and release of the right hormones and enzymes that caused it. (3) at least you physicaly met them, you did not immediately love those that did not exist or those you never heard about. God loves every human that seeks to serve him . I wish you can explain more on the supernatural way. (4) unless an external spirit is affecting ur physical body(soul) , then its ur brain synapes and hormones that are at work. Even physical drugs can make you feel joy . I dnt know or deny the kind of joy u feel, only you feel it and know its source . (5)I too have felt Gods love for me , for people around me, for humankind, but it came from physical knowledge and experience and not from any spiritual soul. (6) all involve something physical , either an external spirit operating on ur physical body or external physical phenomenon affecting ur physical body. Yes ur emotions(physical action or reaction) can be influenced by both external spiritual and physical forces. Concerning adam , God said let us create man in our Image, thus adam (man ) was created from dust . Adam (man became living when he gave adam(man ) the breathe of life. Adams life is subjected to the one who gave him and can only be sustained by that one. God, who crested adam and knew how he created him told adam "from dust you are" . God did not not say "adam was dust" to create an impression that he became dust after lossing his spiritual closeness to God, but God told adam what he really is, when he was created and serving God . man cannot gain a spirit body unless he dies. Can man have an immortal soul while on earth because he serves God? If yes, does it mean that those who dnt serve God dnt have an immortal soul? 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by Nobody: 10:02pm On Jan 24, 2015 |
Following. |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by CANTICLES: 11:08pm On Jan 24, 2015 |
@ hiswordxray .... Where is Adam right now ?? |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by Hiswordxray(m): 12:13pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
CANTICLES:Here you go again trying to start another silly argument. You have chosen to be blind to the errors of your ways. It is an historical fact that you founders are false prophets but yet you still follow in their step. In 2Peter chapter 2 Peter explain that anybody that his prophecy did not come to pass is a false prophet but you have chosen to blindly walk through the path that leads to Hell. " 1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment and punishment." (Heb 6:1-2). Those bold are the foundamental of Christianity but you people doesn't believe in the laying of hands and in eternal judgment and punishment. It is very clear the J.W have gone astray from the Faith. You better repent! |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by dolphinheart(m): 8:07pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
@ Hiswordxray Sir, ill still say you are wrong, soul is soul, whether its spiritualy alive or spiritualy dead.it is not divided in any form (no where is that explicitly stated). I said unless the soul(a living flesh) is affected by an external spirit force , eg the holy spirit, our thoughts , happiness, sadness, envy , etc is otherwise being totally governed by our physical body. *God speaks to me through the scriptures (his word) and I get to know it by physicaly reading and physicaly hearing about it. I take in this knowledge, process it and believe what it says . Most people who heard Gods words in the scriptures heard it physicaly with their ears. I dnt (unlike others) need a spirit to come first prove to me that what is in the scriptures is right. I dnt need to personaly receive a revelation to believe in God as the scriptures is inspired of God and completely equipped for every good works, enough for me to have faith,believe in it and thus gain Evalasting life. *if you feel anything not from physical source, its either its from an external spirit force or you mind playing Games with you. if you bust into laughter when nothing is funny , then its Ur memory (info physicaly stored in ur brain ) coupled with the right conditions and release of the right hormones and enzymes that caused it. * at least you physicaly met them, you did not immediately love those that did not exist or those you never heard about. God loves every human that seeks to serve him . I wish you can explain more on the supernatural way. * unless an external spirit is affecting ur physical body(soul) , then its ur brain synapes and hormones that are at work. Even physical drugs can make you feel joy . I dnt know or deny the kind of joy u feel, only you feel it and know its source . *I too have felt Gods love for me , for people around me, for humankind, but it came from physical knowledge and experience and not from any spiritual soul. * all involve something physical , either an external spirit operating on ur physical body or external physical phenomenon affecting ur physical body. Yes our emotions(physical action or reaction) can be influenced by both external spiritual and physical forces. Concerning adam , God said let us create man in our Image, thus adam (man ) was created from dust . Adam (man became living when he gave adam(man ) the breathe of life. Adams life is subjected to the one who gave him and can only be sustained by that one. God, who created adam and knew how he created him told adam "from dust you are" . God did not not say "adam was dust" to create any impression that he became dust after lossing his spiritual closeness to God, but God told adam what he really is, when he was created and serving God . man cannot gain a spirit body unless he dies. Can man have an immortal soul while on earth because he serves God? If yes, does it mean that those who dnt serve God dnt have an immortal soul? |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by CAPTIVATOR: 2:26pm On Jan 27, 2015 |
Hiswordxray:Man " BECAME" a soul , ( Gen2:7) HE WAS NOT GIVEN. Lets test ur analogy above: >> Abel is a good man, am I right ? Along the line,Cain killed Abel .... So, Did Abel go to heaven ?? |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by Hiswordxray(m): 5:00pm On Jan 27, 2015 |
CAPTIVATOR:Useless question. Save yourself before it's too late. |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by Nobody: 12:28am On Jan 28, 2015 |
CAPTIVATOR: You are so dumb you don't realize that your strong insistence on the ''destruction'' of the ''doctrine'' of the immortal soul is actually against your own interests as a being. 2 Likes |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by bigfrancis21: 4:33am On Jan 28, 2015 |
ROSSIKE:  Some people are just naïve that they interpret the bible literally. |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by CAPTIVATOR: 7:12am On Jan 28, 2015 |
ROSSIKE: Gentleman ..... TRUTH REMAINS TRUTH That scripture reads " dead soul" ! When u are alive, you "BECAME a living soul" Gen 2:7, and when you die, you BECAME a "dead soul" Num 6:6 . STOP comforting urselves with a lie |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by Hiswordxray(m): 7:42am On Jan 28, 2015 |
@ dolphinheart Just because you haven't experience something doesn't mean that it does not exist. I have felt things that isn't cause by any natural thing. There was a time I went with some other people to preach and we found ourselves preaching to this lady. She was putting on so much make up and I find it very annoying when a lady put on too much make up (so you can guest what was going on in my mind when I saw this lady). I couldn't even look at her face. But immediately she agree to give her life to Christ and started saying the sinners prayer. I felt so much love for her. I literally felt like a father who just had a baby girl and was holding this baby in his arms. I felt like I would give her the whole world, I won't make sure she didn't lack anything and I would take care of her until she grow up to be great. After that I felt joy so overwhelming and I struggling to contain it. This wasn't the first time I helped someone become born again. I was with others and I was afriad of bursting out in some display of joy because I don't want others to think something is wrong with me. But the joy I felt was difficult to contain. I moved away from the rest and hide myself as I try to control myself from bursting out in joy. What I felt wasn't natural and their is no scientist that could explain that. I felt God's love for that lady. It was God who just had a child not me and because by soul was spiritual I was able to feel what God felt. There was another time when I was praying and suddenly I found myself crying and speaking Edo language. I know a little about Edo but I don't know how to speak it. I heard myself saying things like "don't go... don't die" and I was saying it in Edo language, probably Benin dialect because it was a little different from the dialect I know. It continued for a week, each time I want to pray I start crying and speaking this language. God later told me it was my friend father who was sick and about to die. Thank God now he his healed. There was a time when I wanted to pray in English or any other language I understand but I realize I can't talk. I tried hard to speak but I just can't. Then I try praying in tongues but I couldn't either, I just found myself laughing. I laugh so hard I almost had an heart attack. It had happened to me many times and I later come to realize I wasn't the only one who had experience this . Go to Google and browse about "Holy ghost laughter". It isn't anything natural and no scientist could explain it. There was a time I was in church praying and I sudden felt like an heavy stone is tied to heart. I felt very sad and it got worst. I was going to burst out in ties so I ran out and go to the back of the church. I cried so bitterly and so loud. I couldn't control it, I was just crying. People in the church could hear me (it was a school fellowship) but some of them had experience this before so they understand what was happening to me. I cried to the extent that my ribs started paining me, I was getting weaker I felt I was going to die and I felt shock waves in my hands and legs. For a week that burden was in my heart and I set time apart just to cry it out. God later told me it was for the Church (in general). I was crying and praying for the whole Church of God. I am someone that doesn't cry. Even the day my father was buried I couldn't cry not even a drop of tie came out of my eyes but Instead I smiled. It was strange, I was surprise at myself but I I had always knew I was a kind of person that is good at blocking pains from my heart. I just don't cry no matter what. But somehow I suddenly realized that there are times I see somebody doing something carnal and I just start crying. I felt God grieving when somebody is being carnal. It grieves God when we are carnal and sinful and it pains Him to see us destroy ourselves with the sin with commit. I feel God's grief and I burst into ties because God's people is too carnal. This is why it pains me to see you so carnal. You are not spiritual at all and it seem you don't believe in the supernatural. I have see and experience many supernatural things and I didn't ask for it but it happens because that is normal Christianity. The supernatural is normal Christianity and if you are not .experiencing it then there is something wrong somewhere. I know we don't need anything supernatural to happen before we believe in God but we are supernatural being, we are sons of God not natural fallen human being. You can't continue to live a Christian life that is not different from the spiritually dead men. The Church of God can not be the same with other organization in the world - there have to be a difference. We are meant to display the power of God as His children. Wake up my brother stop thinking like a spiritually dead man, trying to explain everything carnally. Science had failed to explain the things of God and it will always fail. The supernatural is real and it is for us today. |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by macof(m): 4:32pm On Jan 28, 2015 |
There's a thread on similar topic here www.nairaland.com/2109907/death-living-forever/30212002 |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by dolphinheart(m): 4:52pm On Jan 28, 2015 |
@ Hiswordxray oga!, I never said or implied that because I have not experienced something, that means it does not exist o! Pls dnt twist the direction of the discussion. I told you if there is a reaction by your physical body to something , and that reaction is not governed by what you have seen, presently seeing, what you have learnt, presently learning, what you feel,think, thinking,(all physicaly done by ur brain), then it must come from a spiritual source. I dnt think you are reading my post, and if you do, you are deliberately refusing to understand them . These are facts: 1. Ur thought/ thinking process and resultant behavior/action is being affected by the physical world. 2. Ur thought/thinking process and resultant behavior/action can also be affected by an EXTERNAL spiritual force eg, the spirit forces. Only those two things play a role in what we are. Its what differenciates and govern us , not our spirits/lifeforce. Our spirits are the same, and same with the animals. Like I said before, if you feel or do something and what you felt or did did not come as a result of ur brain or physical body function, then its from an external spiritual source,but only you can explain such phenomenom, cus only you felt it and can explain it as you are the only witness to the effect of such force on ur body. On the lady issue. You met(physical seeing) a lady who LovePeddler heavy makeup , you dnt like heavy makeup(processed thought due to ur physicaly knowing what makeup is and what it represents), so you are annoyed and could not not look at her face (physical brain reaction). The moment she agreed(her physical reaction to the physical knowledge you gave her) to what you thought was right, ur reaction and feeling changed. Due to ur convictions about God (knowledge accumulated in ur brain through time), ur joy (physical body reaction to an event) was so much affected that you can't explain it. You attribute your feeling to how God felt cus u have (as I have been thought physicaly) that God is always happy and joyful when a sinner repents. On the issue of the edo language, only you know the truth on what you said , but ur statements raised the following question. 1. Are you saying God used you in healing ur friends father? Why would God make you speak edo language that you dnt know well, over a man you dnt know was about to die,probably you dnt know at all, for reasons you dnt understand, just because he wants to heal that man? Would that man have died if you did not pray? Can you relate this experience with any healing experience found in the bible ? Can you relate your other experiences to any event in the bible? I dnt understand what you really mean by carnal, but I know you dnt know me, have not seen me before, and thus you can't determine my level of spirituality. I'm happy that you agreed and know that we don't need anything supernatural to happen before we believe in God. I will not go into ur other statements as I feel they are directed at ur other members, but I make this statement Jesus told us , " this means evalasting life , there taking in the knowledge of you, the only true God and of The one you sent jesus Christ. And the bible helps us to understand that it is the inspired word of God , completely equiped for us to know God (doing Gods will) which is enough for evalasting life . Any personal experience contrary to what the bible teaches or over emphases of experience will not be accepted by me. If I want the holy spirit to have an effect on me , I would love it to be expreseed by me in its fruits such as love(not for only converts but for people with heavy makeups too) peace, long suffering , kindness , humility , mercy etc . If I can develop myself with the scriptures to be able to express these things, dnt think anyone can say I dnt have the holy spirit in me . Lastly please endeavor to answer the issues(questions) I raised in this post and in my previous post such as 1. What God meant when he told adam " from dust you are ". 2. Can man have an immortal soul while on earth because he serves God? If yes, does it mean that those who dnt serve God dnt have an immortal soul? 3 . Where is adam and Abel now . ? 1 Like |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by Shawl001(m): 10:02pm On Jan 28, 2015 |
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| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by Hiswordxray(m): 10:24pm On Jan 28, 2015 |
[quote author=dolphinheart post=30216252][/quote] Are you saying that any experience that is not written in the Bible is not of God? Can the Bible contain all the manifestation of the Spirit? Does reading the story of Jesus tells you how to act in every situation? The Bible is very important but yet very limited. We need to also rely on the Spirit of God inside of us. If I should experience anything that is not of God I would know by the Spirit inside of me. There are questions that the Bible can't give direct answer to but with the help of the Spirit we could know the mind of God on every issue. Concerning your questions: 1)God said Adam was made out of dust and when he died he would turn to dust. 2)All men have immortal soul, whether good or bad. 3)In heaven. |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 10:21am On Jan 29, 2015 |
As has been made clear earlier, the teaching of an immortal soul is NOT SCRIPTURAL. It is a reasoning that made its way into the church during the Roman Rule. Similar to leviticus 6:6, other scriptures like leviticus 7:20 mentions a soul that eats flesh, leviticus 23:30 mentions a soul that carry out work, proverbs 25:25 mentions a tired soul. What is it that can die, eat meat, carry out work, and get tired? Is it a seperate, spiritual part of a man, or is it man himself? The answer is obvious. Interestingly, being a soul(Note that man became a soul - Gen2:7) is not unique to man. Gen 1:20 tells us that in one creative epoch, God said: "Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls." Even fish are souls. In another creative epoch, God indicated that the "domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast are souls - Gen 1:24, Lev 11:10, 46; 24:18, Numbers 31:28; job 41:21; Ezekiel 47:9. The hebrew word translated "soul" is ne'phesh, and it occurs 754 times in the hebrew scriptures. What does ne'phesh mean? According to the dictionary of Bible and Religion, it "usually refers to the entire livin being, to the whole individual." This definition borne out by the Bible's discription of the soul at Gen 2:7: "God proceeded to form the man out of the dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and THE MAN CAME TO BE A LIVING SOUL." Adam became a soul, Adam did not have a soul. The word translated "soul" more than 100 times in the christian Greek scriptures(New testament) is psy.khe'. Like ne'phesh, this word often refers to a whole person- john 12:27, Acts 2:43, Romans 13:1, 1Thessalonians 5:14, 1pet 3:20. Psy.khe', like ne'phesh, clearly refers to the whole person. According to scholar Nigel Turner, this word "signifies what is characteristically human, the self, the material body having God's rùach(spirit) ¡reathed into it...the emphasis is on the whole self." |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 10:56am On Jan 29, 2015 |
The faithful man Job in the Bible did not believe in an immortal soul. This was job's comment in Job 14:14,15: "if a man dies, can he live again?" He answers: "I will wait all the days of my compulsory service until my relief comes." Job likens his lifeless, and unconscious stay in the grave as his compulsory service. He said he would wait in the grave until his relief comes. What relief did job mean? Verse 15 reads  Job referring to God) "you will call, and I will answer you. You will long for the work of your hand." HeJob had a strong hope that the death of a faithful man was not the end of him, he didn't believe that some immaterial part of him would survive the death of his body. Job believed that he would be lifeless in the grave waiting for his relif from God. A lot of people today do not share jobs view.Do you also remember when the man Lazarus died? If u read john 11:23, 24, there u'll see jesus' discussion with martha the sister of the already dead man Lazarus. Now let's look into that scripture and see what hope martha had as regards her brother lazarus. It reads: "Jesus said to her: your brother will rise. Martha said to him: 'I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day." Note that martha, just like Job didn't believe in an immortal soul. She believed that her brother Lazarus was lifeless and unconscious in the grave, but because of his righteousness, he would rise(resurrection) on the last day. Lazarus on his part, after being resurrected and reunited with his family, did not mention an after-life experience. Lazarus was a soul, so when he died(Ezekiel 18:4) he was lifeless and unconscious(Eccl 9:5,6). This was the belief of faithful men and women in the bible as regards the soul. Why has this changed today? Why do people today believe that when a man dies he continues to live else where? |
| Re: A Deadly Blow that DESTROYS the Doctrine of Immortal Soul by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 11:12am On Jan 29, 2015 |
The teachings of Plato have profoundly influenced the religious beliefs of millions of people, including professed christians, many of whom wrongly assume that these beliefs are based on the Bible. Foremost among plato's teachings is the concept that humans have an immortal soul that survives the death of the physical body. Plato had deep interest in life after death. The book Body and soul in Ancient philosophy says that "the immortality of the soul is one of plato's favourite topics." He was firmly convinced that "the soul outlives its present incarnation, to be duly rewarded or punished" in the after-life, based on how the person lived while on earth. During the 9 centuries that plato's Academy functioned, from 387 - 529 CE, it was highly influential. Platonic thought became popular in lands dominated by Greece and Rome. The jewish philosopher Philo of Alexandria adopted platonism, as did many religious leaders within christendom. As a result, pagan philosophical concepts, including the immortality of the soul crept into the teachings of judaism and christianity. "All christian theology is dependent, to an extent at least, on contemporary Greek philosophy, primarily platoism," says The Anchor Bible Dictionary. Knowledge is power. 1 Like |
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