BoboYekini:
And how do you deflect the constant prodding from your *mother/partner to attend church? I know it must be doubly hard for a babe.

*most fathers will let you be, in my experience.

My mum's late and I left home for school years back, didn't go back to live at home after school(only visits) but my dad calls and be like "be prayerful o blah blah" I just wave it off, although it's common knowledge in my immediate family that, I'm not a church person(never really was), I live with my elder sister, she's talked and has found out she can do nothing about it, so she let me be but still threatens to tell my dad I have stopped believing in God, saying they'll all disown me, duh! I couldn't care less as I know they will all rather die than lose me.

Maybe I would still be attending church if my mum was alive because it will literally break her heart to find out I don't believe in God.

My partner has come to terms with my stance, he believes in living and let live.

johnydon22:


agnostic christian means or better put agnostic theist means "he believes their is a god but don't empirically say he is sure their is"...

the brother say agnostics christian, this is the first time am hearing this, what does that mean? Does agnostics christian believe in the creation account?

malvisguy212:
the brother say agnostics christian, this is the first time am hearing this, what does that mean? Does agnostics christian believe in the creation account?

Agnostic christian means he believes in the christian god but doesnt empirically say he is sure their is... He may or may not believe the creation account or any other stories... they are choosy with what they think they believe

johnydon22:
Thanks Op, I love your question.

First we all grew up in a very religiously saturated society ladened with blatant nonsensical superstitions, a sophisticated African society where the average African believes the potency of Voodoo and spirit shenanigans but none have ever asked "How does this work?"

I have been superstitious before i agree, but look around you.
If you watch the Guinness book of record you will see people swallowing swords, eating glass and breaking bricks with their fist.

Someone could call these magical but they are not. . What we call Magic or spiritual phenomenons are just events we cant explain or clever tricks hidden from us.

We live in a society where old women and little children are being lynched, discriminated against in the name of witches, ask people to substantiate this claim and you get cock and bull stories.

Growing up believing spirits and spiritual mumbo mumbo, i grew to understand most of these fears were just in my mind and nothing more.

Have you ever wondered how these things work?

We grew up hearing madness was as a result of madness spirit/demon, now we know its nonsense. we have seen many claims of spiritual happenings both in nairaland and in real life but none have ever been substantiated before.

I have talked about a situation i had an argument with friends on the potency of voodoo and prayers, we were in ezeagu in enugu state, my friend invited a voodoo man, i brought out a stone placed it on a small stool and told them to make it fall without touching it, both to the voodoo guy and prayer guy. the prayer guy said the bible said "don't test god" the voodoo guy did some nonsensical jagons and left saying he would be back, i got up and gently pushed the stone out of the stool turned to my friends and said "See? i just did what your voodoo and prayers cant"

The potency of these spiritual stuffs are all in the mind of the person who believes them. i still watch magic shows now but thats just what they are MAGIC (tricks).

Their is nothing to explain in the spiritual, if anybody claims extra-ordinary powers let that person demonstrate it before you to substantiate his/claims.
We grew up hearing masquerades are spirits of our ancestors, we later found out its just some dudes wearing masks.

Any phenomena you don't understand, thorough scrutinization and investigation can show many things and what it really is not just label them spiritual because you lack understanding of what it is.

As i am now I have never seen any substantiated spiritual claim, when i believed those crap all we use to hear were cock and bull hearsay stories.

rubbish!!! I have seen with my two naked eyes when I attend calabar carnival with a friend, we decided to. Visit his village on reaching there, there village and neighbouring village are in war,to cut the story short, when my friend villagers were in the farm farming the enemy invade there housing burn it down, the news reach the villagers in the farm, All of them run straight to the village herbalist and the herbalist give them charm and berth them in a very dirty water, after they received the charm, they walk straight to the village were there houses is being burn, at the front is a little boy holding a broom, as the enemy is shooting there guns and arrow ,the little boy was waving the broom and the enemy bullets were stopping in there front ,nothing harm them, I was in far distance I saw this I could not believe my eyes, that day I take the first bus back to kaduna. I witnesses all this bro, charm are real. I have even seen a small boy beat a grown up man with the help of charm.

freecocoa:
My mum's late and I left home for school years back, didn't go back to live at home after school(only visits) but my dad calls and be like "be prayerful o blah blah" I just wave it off, although it's common knowledge in my immediate family that, I'm not a church person(never really was), I live with my elder sister, she's talked and has found out she can do nothing about it, so she let me be but still threatens to tell my dad I have stopped believing in God, saying they'll all disown me, duh! I couldn't care less as I know they will all rather die than lose me.

Maybe I would still be attending church if my mum was alive because it will literally break her heart to find out I don't believe in God.

My partner has come to terms with my stance, he believes in living and let live.

Okay, obviously your partner is a bit churchy( or at least mildly religious). If you're in it for the long haul, it's one of two things bound to happen:
He has occasional bouts of deep religiousity, straining your affair.
He becomes to agnostic. All ends well.

My point is, it's imperative, for a woman especially, to have a partner that shares your agnosticism/atheism. Except you're that kind of fair weather agnostic.

malvisguy212:
rubbish!!! I have seen with my two naked eyes when I attend calabar carnival with a friend, we decided to. Visit his village on reaching there, there village and neighbouring village are in war,to cut the story short, when my friend villagers were in the farm farming the enemy invade there housing burn it down, the news reach the villagers in the farm, All of them run straight to the village herbalist and the herbalist give them charm and berth them in a very dirty water, after they received the charm, they walk straight to the village were there houses is being burn, at the front is a little boy holding a broom, as the enemy is shooting there guns and arrow ,the little boy was waving the broom and the enemy bullets were stopping in there front ,nothing harm them, I was in far distance I saw this I could not believe my eyes, that day I take the first bus back to kaduna. I witnesses all this bro, charm are real. I have even seen a small boy beat a grown up man with the help of charm.

hahahahahahahahahaha now tell me, after this wonderful tale... you were there with the villagers, you went with them to the farm and was watching as the boy was waving the broom

johnydon22:


hahahahahahahahahaha now tell me, after this wonderful tale... you were there with the villagers, you went with them to the farm and was watching as the boy was waving the broom

see, I don't care if you believe me or not, infacte saying this is like asking you to believe in a pagan deity which is against my faith. I witnesses everything and you are hear saying silly things.

malvisguy212:
see, I don't care if you believe me or not, infacte saying this is like asking you to believe in a pagan deity which is against my faith. I witnesses everything and you are hear saying silly things.

You are the one saying silly things.

That whole story that you just made up has exposed your emotional and mental shortcomings.

plaetton:


Let me add that no one has ever used the so-called spiritual to contribute anything useful to humanity.
It's all wishy washy buffet of lies and tricks for appetites of the ignorant.

My grandmother, for example, still sees Skype as spiritual witchcraft.
How would I ever explain to her how Skype works?
It's the same thing with many yet-to-be-undetstood application of purely natural laws that still hold usvin awe.

Every single phenomena has a purely scientific explanation.

did science explained everything about spirituality?

https://www.nairaland.com/2184390/11-signs-monster-pastor what you take on this.

mmsen:


You are the one saying silly things.

That whole story that you just made up has exposed your emotional and mental shortcomings.

the good thing is that I do not forced you to believe me.I experience everything and I have even experience how a little boy beat up a grown up man with the help of charm, the grown up man could not even throw a SINGLE!! Punch is as if the man is being tight up, everybody were afraid to shere the fight.

malvisguy212:
the good thing is that I do not forced you to believe me.I experience everything and I have even experience how a little boy beat up a grown up man with the help of charm, the grown up man could not even throw a SINGLE!! Punch is as if the man is being tight up, everybody were afraid to shere the fight.

Please go and get some psychiatric help.

You are clearly dedicated to stupidity and dishonesty.

BoboYekini:

Okay, obviously your partner is a bit churchy( or at least mildly religious). If you're in it for the long haul, it's one of two things bound to happen:
He has occasional bouts of deep religiousity, straining your affair.
He becomes to agnostic. All ends well.

My point is, it's imperative, for a woman especially, to have a partner that shares your agnosticism/atheism. Except you're that kind of fair weather agnostic.

Yea, he goes to church but he's not that religious, we did have the talk about long haul and how the difference in beliefs can be a problem but he maintains, it won't be, I do know however that, it's not going to be easy. I don't even want a wedding in a church.

Anyways, I'm not worried about it as I believe that, whatever will be will be.

Nah, I'm pretty serious with agnosticism, used to worry about what people will think so I often kept my opinion to myself when religion,spirituality and God is being discussed, not anymore, I don't even realize when I end up speaking up these days as I become bolder with each passing day, matter of factly sef, I end up on the side of atheists in some debates.

Never felt happier, more at peace and freer with my self ever since I ditched religion.

mmsen:


Please go and get some psychiatric help.

You are clearly dedicated to stupidity and dishonesty.

dawkin say christians are delusional because they believe in God, but he cannot disprove there God but christians are still in delusions and he wasent even dough he can't disprove there God.and to you this is not a stupidity? Seriously?

Whenever an atheists is being face with the possibility of a spirituality, there only excuse is "the person need some psychiatric help" or " he is stupid" and the funny part is that he (the atheists) knew he was wrong and needed no psychiatric help but the christian that experience everything need help. Silly.

malvisguy212:
see, I don't care if you believe me or not, infacte saying this is like asking you to believe in a pagan deity which is against my faith. I witnesses everything and you are hear saying silly things.

hahahahahahahaha why are you getting defensive... i only asked if you were there or not?... simple yes or no...

malvisguy212:
rubbish!!! I have seen with my two naked eyes when I attend calabar carnival with a friend, we decided to. Visit his village on reaching there, there village and neighbouring village are in war,to cut the story short, when my friend villagers were in the farm farming the enemy invade there housing burn it down, the news reach the villagers in the farm, All of them run straight to the village herbalist and the herbalist give them charm and berth them in a very dirty water, after they received the charm, they walk straight to the village were there houses is being burn, at the front is a little boy holding a broom, as the enemy is shooting there guns and arrow ,the little boy was waving the broom and the enemy bullets were stopping in there front ,nothing harm them, I was in far distance I saw this I could not believe my eyes, that day I take the first bus back to kaduna. I witnesses all this bro, charm are real. I have even seen a small boy beat a grown up man with the help of charm.

Please stop telling ridiculous lies.

freecocoa:
Yea, he goes to church but he's not that religious, we did have the talk about long haul and how the difference in beliefs can be a problem but he maintains, it won't be, I do know however that, it's not going to be easy. I don't even want a wedding in a church.

Anyways, I'm not worried about it as I believe that, whatever will be will be.

Nah, I'm pretty serious with agnosticism, used to worry about what people will think so I often kept my opinion to myself when religion,spirituality and God is being discussed, not anymore, I don't even realize when I end up speaking up these days as I become bolder with each passing day, matter of factly sef, I end up on the side of atheists in some debates.

Never felt happier, more at peace and freer with my self ever since I ditched religion.

Atta girl.

Maybe there is no spiritual. It could also be that your understanding of the concept is misguided.

freecocoa:
Yea, he goes to church but he's not that religious, we did have the talk about long haul and how the difference in beliefs can be a problem but he maintains, it won't be, I do know however that, it's not going to be easy. I don't even want a wedding in a church.

Anyways, I'm not worried about it as I believe that, whatever will be will be.

Nah, I'm pretty serious with agnosticism, used to worry about what people will think so I often kept my opinion to myself when religion,spirituality and God is being discussed, not anymore, I don't even realize when I end up speaking up these days as I become bolder with each passing day, matter of factly sef, I end up on the side of atheists in some debates.

Never felt happier, more at peace and freer with my self ever since I ditched religion.

Way to go!

freecocoa:
Yea, he goes to church but he's not that religious, we did have the talk about long haul and how the difference in beliefs can be a problem but he maintains, it won't be, I do know however that, it's not going to be easy. I don't even want a wedding in a church.

Anyways, I'm not worried about it as I believe that, whatever will be will be.

Nah, I'm pretty serious with agnosticism, used to worry about what people will think so I often kept my opinion to myself when religion,spirituality and God is being discussed, not anymore, I don't even realize when I end up speaking up these days as I become bolder with each passing day, matter of factly sef, I end up on the side of atheists in some debates.

Never felt happier, more at peace and freer with my self ever since I ditched religion.

Why does he go to church when he is not religious? What keeps him going back?

mmsen:


Why does he go to church when he is not religious? What keeps him going back?

I believe the phrase is "not that religious" meaning, he is not a fanatic.

freecocoa:
I believe the phrase is "not that religious" meaning, he is not a fanatic.

Most religious people are not 'fanatics'.

But I take your point - 'not that religious'...

Do you have any issues retaining respect for someone who is so clearly a hypocrite?

malvisguy212:
the good thing is that I do not forced you to believe me.I experience everything and I have even experience how a little boy beat up a grown up man with the help of charm, the grown up man could not even throw a SINGLE!! Punch is as if the man is being tight up, everybody were afraid to shere the fight.

I can't deny that you have many sensational tales to tell...tales rife with loopholes and untruths that you perhaps have convinced yourself to believe. Your claims remain unsubstantiated though.

Some questions I ask myself often concerning juju is this: if we have such incredible power at our fingertips here in Africa, why have we failed to harness it? Why hasn't the government invested in it? Why have we not found ways to amplify it? Why haven't we seen juju generate revenue for us? Why hasn't it increased our GDP? Do you have any idea how invaluable that dirty water used by the village priest in your tale could be to the arms market and militaries world over? Why is juju so elusive? Why is it so surreptitious? Or is there something fishy about it?

mmsen:


Most religious people are not 'fanatics'.

But I take your point - 'not that religious'...

If you say so.

McSterling:

I can't deny that you have many sensational tales to tell...tales rife with loopholes and untruths that you perhaps have convinced yourself to believe. Your claims remain unsubstantiated though.

Some questions I ask myself often concerning juju is this: if we have such incredible power at our fingertips here in Africa, why have we failed to harness it? Why hasn't the government invested in it? Why have we not found ways to amplify it? Why haven't we seen juju generate revenue for us? Why hasn't it increased our GDP? Do you have any idea how invaluable that dirty water used by the village priest in your tale could be to the arms market and militaries world over? Why is juju so elusive? Why is it so surreptitious? Or

is there something fishy about it?

Forget him and his very long tales. Dirty water koh, clean water ni.

Let me repeat , as always, that atheism doesn't seek to explain anything, because it is not a philosophical proposition, nor a science.
Atheism makes no claims about anything.
Atheism, for the millionth time, is simply the non belief in deities due to the obvious lack of evidence.

It is science that Searches and tries to find rational explanations to natural phenomena, not atheism.
A typical atheist would prefer rational scientific explanations than magical-thinking god believers.

Once one accepts one improbable belief, one is always, by default, incumbered to believe in the many other cascades of improbables that are needed to sustain the original improbable belief.

McSterling:

I can't deny that you have many sensational tales to tell...tales rife with loopholes and untruths that you perhaps have convinced yourself to believe. Your claims remain unsubstantiated though.

Some questions I ask myself often concerning juju is this: if we have such incredible power at our fingertips here in Africa, why have we failed to harness it? Why hasn't the government invested in it? Why have we not found ways to amplify it? Why haven't we seen juju generate revenue for us? Why hasn't it increased our GDP? Do you have any idea how invaluable that dirty water used by the village priest in your tale could be to the arms market and militaries world over? Why is juju so elusive? Why is it so surreptitious? Or is there something fishy about it?

In addition you don't see the US military making use of juju. They would surely have started using it long ago if it was real.

McSterling:

I can't deny that you have many sensational tales to tell...tales rife with loopholes and untruths that you perhaps have convinced yourself to believe. Your claims remain unsubstantiated though.

Some questions I ask myself often concerning juju is this: if we have such incredible power at our fingertips here in Africa, why have we failed to harness it? Why hasn't the government invested in it? Why have we not found ways to amplify it? Why haven't we seen juju generate revenue for us? Why hasn't it increased our GDP? Do you have any idea how invaluable that dirty water used by the village priest in your tale could be to the arms market and militaries world over? Why is juju so elusive? Why is it so surreptitious? Or is there something fishy about it?

can evil produce good ?you cannot used the evil power of juju to produce good Jesus say in Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a
bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
There is nothing good that can came out from bad.

malvisguy212:
can evil produce good ?you cannot used the evil power of juju to produce good Jesus say in Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a
bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
There is nothing good that can came out from bad.

What else would you say? There is actually nothing evil about the juju in your tale. But of course, you would resort to prevarications, prejudices, suppositions and assumptions about your juju. Many other juju believers would disagree with your suppositions. It is no surprise though, since juju is just a figment of your imagination. You can assume whatever suits your religion.

onetrack:


In addition you don't see the US military making use of juju. They would surely have started using it long ago if it was real.

True. These juju believers would have us believe that the USA, Russia, China and other world powers have chosen to ignore the supposed incredible potency of juju and have left it for village priests in the third world to play with.

McSterling:

True. These juju believers would have us believe that the USA, Russia, China and other world powers have chosen to ignore the supposed incredible potency of juju and have left it for village priests in the third world to play with.

Simplest refutation.

McSterling:

True. These juju believers would have us believe that the USA, Russia, China and other world powers have chosen to ignore the supposed incredible potency of juju and have left it for village priests in the third world to play with.

Epic!

Here's a quote from a book

Don't despise the words because of the messenger, but rather reflect with earnest intent, its honesty and truth.

What now is the next world, the life to come? Many are misled by the word: the next world. The next world is simply all that cannot be seen by terrestrial or physical appliances, i. e. our eyes, our brain, and other portions of the physical body, and the instruments which serve to assist these to extend their field of action and to do their work more accurately and minutely or in other words, the other world is beyond the range of our physical senses.
There is no partition between the next world and this! Nor is there a gulf. All is unity like all else in Creation. One and the same energy pulsates here and there and in this life-stream all lives, all works, and all is inseparably interwoven.

Take off your blinkers and look at things from a different point of view! There is no this world and next world. There is but one uniform existence. Man alone has discovered and introduced the conception of an existing difference between them. For man cannot see all. He looks upon himself as the centre of importance in the surroundings visible to him. (But in truth his sphere of action is far greater.) In holding this erroneous idea man has forcibly hindered his own progress. He has allowed his imagination full play with the result that it has produced pictures of monstrosities.

Away with all this! To what purpose this selftormenting? Break down this barrier that human error erected but which never really existed.

— ABDRUSCHIN (In the light of truth: Grail Message)