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T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:25am On Aug 11, 2015 |
T.D. Jakes 'Shocked' After Theology Called Into Question Following Remarks Respecting 'Gay Rights'
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Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by dapyd1(m): 1:50am On Aug 11, 2015 |
Its been a long time coming especially in America. Pastor's are now seeker-friendly, giving the audience what they want to hear instar if what they are supposed to hear. That's why the church is now a laughing stock to the world and ucv will continue to be so. All we have are now political pastors that done and wine with men of questionable character just to get funds and patronage. |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by AdeniyiA(m): 2:39am On Aug 11, 2015 |
I said it, the man was busy saying everything but ended up saying nothing! useless circumloculation 1 Like |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by vooks: 4:15am On Aug 11, 2015 |
Image123 nailed it; political correctness. The same that makes Joel Osteen avoid judgement and hell like plague 1 Like |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by tos4u(m): 5:51am On Aug 11, 2015 |
T D Jakes my best American preacher of all time |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by UyiIredia(m): 8:01am On Aug 11, 2015 |
SMH. |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:15am On Aug 11, 2015 |
dapyd1: "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears" (2 Timothy 4:3). That time has come! |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by esere826: 4:54pm On Aug 12, 2015 |
TD jakes spoke soundly he expresses the views that most Christians espouse which is simply that all ministries cannot be the same there are some churches that expressly forbids single men and women intermingling and punishes them if they try it others seem to thrive on such intermingling of opposite sexes and then explain that they cannot sin or that it is no sin Some ministries have no qualms if you empty the treasury you've been entrusted with while some frown at such pilfery Some ministries are excited about tongue speaking throughout the service while some would rather that you remain calm If you don't like a ministry, ..live it and join another or start one no need turning yourself to a bull in a china shop destroying everything and demanding that rules be changed because of you 2 Likes |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by orisa37: 7:58am On Aug 13, 2015 |
Gay is no Right. It is Exploitation of Self. It is Selfishness without Grace and so not Righteous at all. Marriage of man and woman and the issuance of licence to cover it is to provide evidence against exploitation of the weaker partner. Otherwise, Marriage is simply God's Ordained Trade By Barter for man and woman only. 1 Like |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by orisa37: 8:43am On Aug 13, 2015 |
Gay is no Right. It is Exploitation of our selves. It is Selfishness Without Grace. And so, it is not Holy, Pure, Righteous and Sovereign before God. Gay people are nuisance, neurotic, indisciplined and simply experimenting. |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:25pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
AdeniyiA: We are surely in the last days. |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by parisbookaddict(f): 10:53pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
Jakes is very eloquent and this is the reason I am surprised at how ambiguous and unclear his initial comments were.. the rest of his remarks are not faulty but too guarded nonetheless. . The gay life style is disgusting unnatural and condemned by scripture. He and every christian should reject gay marriage but should NOT impose our worldview on others. |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by doofanc: 3:44am On Aug 14, 2015 |
I was truly shocked and saddened to read those comments from TDJ. He's one few ministers now who, not despite his many years in minitry, had remained consistent and scandal free. Unlike what occurs in sime mega Churches i've heard him preaching Holiness and righteousness. Its not my place to judge, but his comments have left highly disappointed. End is truly near |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:37am On Aug 14, 2015 |
vooks: That is political correctness gone mad. 1 Like |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:37am On Aug 14, 2015 |
tos4u: Are you prepared to go down with him? |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:39am On Aug 14, 2015 |
UyiIredia: Tell us what you feel. |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:34pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
esere826: Are you saying that you agree with what T.D. Jake said? |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:35pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
orisa37: God's grace is available to save and deliver them. |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:37pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
parisbookaddict: Did you mean to say that we should not impose our worldview on them as much as they should not impose theirs on us? |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:39pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
doofanc: You can judge whether his comments on the gay issue is either the truth or heresy. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by parisbookaddict(f): 7:50pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: Its a typo. I should correct that. I meant we should NOT impose our worldview on others, and same with them, they should NOT impose the gay thing on us. Entertainment seems to be one of their weapons, as a Christian I don't listen to musicians who support the gay culture, I don't watch gay friendly TV shows eg Ellen, modern family etc, CNN is filled with gay empolyees who push the "gay agenda" eg Anderson cooper, Richard quest, Eric bannet (allegedly) They seem to be doing the imposition and we Christians must be vigilant. 2 Likes |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by esere826: 10:13pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU:Perfectly yes He spoke with wisdom,...absolute wisdom Do you realise that John the Baptist was killed because he was quite blunt?? |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:19am On Aug 15, 2015 |
parisbookaddict: As much as I agree with your post I also insist that as Christians we should not condone the lifestyle in our churches or sermons. |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:20am On Aug 15, 2015 |
esere826: I will call that kind of 'wisdom' earthly and carnal. |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by Kei144(m): 8:00am On Aug 15, 2015 |
People should really be careful how they pass judgment. There is an indication that homosexuality may be as a result of mercury poisoning, or any other such chemical. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/12/101203-homosexual-birds-mercury-science/ A lot of human body functions are governed by chemicals. I am not into life sciences, but I am aware that the attraction to opposite sex is governed by some chemicals in the body. What if some unknown chemical poisoning causes the body to produce chemical that causes attraction to same sex, instead of the chemical that attracts to opposite sex? Will God condemn a person who is a victim of unintentional chemical poisoning for behaving abnormally? Gay character may not be a matter of experimenting with absurdities, after all. As for Christians who are quick to condemn gays, how many of them have power to deliver a gay from homosexuality? 1Co. 13:9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 1Co. 13:10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 1Co. 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power. |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by orisa37: 8:01am On Aug 15, 2015 |
Christ's Character is as available as Fresh Air to those who care!!!! |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by parisbookaddict(f): 8:41am On Aug 15, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: I did NOT in any way insinuate we should condone it. Its abhorrent and disguSting. We should preach against it very clearly and boldly. This, Jakes failed to do. But we should not force our wOrldview on others. If gay men comes to church, they should discard that life, sermons should not be diluted to please anyone. But we shouldn't be hostile to them. They are as flawed as anyother fornicator or adultress. I have even heard where people call for their deaths(both devout Muslims and pseudo-Christians) . That is terrible. They have human rights. |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:55am On Aug 15, 2015 |
parisbookaddict: Good. parisbookaddict: What do you mean by that? Is it not the world forcing their worldview on the church using the media, entertainment etc as you have rightly opined? This lifestyle is being promoted from the cradle to the grave as we speak but they would not have the church exercise it's rights to preach against it, they call it hate speech. parisbookaddict: Do you agree with T.D. Jakes that they should go to churches who condone their lifestyles? |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:55am On Aug 15, 2015 |
orisa37: Amen! |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by parisbookaddict(f): 10:34am On Aug 15, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: It is left to us Christians to promote morality and heterosexual conduct, marriages. Do the gAys and liberals force u to watch their media, secular music, movies etc which promotes immorality. We must preach against it. They may interpret it as a hate speech that is their cup of tea. Its everyones right to express their views , including the gay. We have a lot of hypocrisy in the church and this is why the "gay agenda" keeps moving forward. Only the catholic church has stood firmly against gays, abortions, euthanasia. Yet some priests have been charged with molesting male kids. Many protestant churches have buckled to pressure, even the Anglican church. Pastors like Rick warren have even swayed to pressure, I like him but he sways. Today he is opposed to gayS, tomorrow he distances himself from anti-gay people. Joel osteen has swayed, even mega church pastor bishop Eddie long who is opposed to gays was caught up in a scandal involving molesting young boys. We need to stand firmly against it, this is not imposing ones own world view, it is simply defending ones own world view without hypocrisy.
NO. All I have said so far points clearly to the fact that I am disappointed with some of what he said but he made some common sense points as well. Including the unclear remark about evolving opinion on gays. Any church that condones gays is not a church. |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by mustymatic(m): 1:01pm On Aug 15, 2015 |
parisbookaddict:Are you a devout Christian? Do you kno what the Bible says regarding it? So now I understand you do this for fun, you are not a believer. |
Re: T.D. Jakes Shocked After His Theology Called Into Question Following Gay Remarks by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:08pm On Aug 15, 2015 |
parisbookaddict: We are being bombarded with their promotions. Children as young as 5 years old are being taught in our public schools that the gay lifestyle is an alternative lifestyle to heterosexuals with the use of dolls and cartoons. parisbookaddict: In the UK and US of A, if you exercise your right as a Christian to preach against the sin of homosexuals you will be arrested for hate speech. parisbookaddict: It is even worse if we claim to stand against the sin in public and privately practise abortion, homosexuality, paedophilia and all sorts of immorality. parisbookaddict: The Word of God is clear when it comes to dealing with these charlatans: "My son, fear thou the Lord and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change" (Proverbs 24:21). parisbookaddict: More like defending the faith, right? "earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude 3). parisbookaddict: What were the 'common sense points'? Please share. parisbookaddict: Agreed. |
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