Scholar8200:
There is need to differentiate between the Rapture (1 Thess 4:17) and the Coming of Christ to establish the Millenial Reign (Revelations 19:11-13, 20:4-6). Rapture would be pre-tribulation (see Revelations 19:7-10 a description of what the Bride: Raptured church would be doing in Heaven while the Tribulation lasts) while the Coming of Christ to establish the Millenial Reign would be after the Tribulation (Revelations 20 :4-7).
Rapture takes place without a battle, the Coming takes place with a Battle!
Rapture signals the end of the Church age and the commencement of the 70th Week. And we are told in 2 Thessalonians 2 that He Who hinders the antichrist from manifesting would be taken out of the way. Now what will be the essence of leaving the Church on the Earth?

Inability to differentiate Bible references that relate to both events has been a source of confusion and makes many to affirm what may contradict other portions!

dolphinheart:
These are questions I want all to consider and possibly answer.

1. What happens after the event of the so called rapture.
2. Will there still be followers of Christ left on earth after the so called rapture?
3. If there will be followers of Christ left after these so called rapture, what will happen to them, will they die during the tribulation or the war of armagedon or will they survive it?

4. If they die, what happens to them?
5. If they do not die, what happens to them?

vooks:


Coming of Jesus is....coming of Jesus and rapture is rapture. These are different events happening at the exact same moment not thousands years apart.

Inability to comprehend Revelation symbols has birthed endless confusion and the most absurd theories

Gombs:
This is what I have come to believe..

The angels said to Jesus’ disciples, “...This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”

His coming is imminent. When He comes, “...The dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air...” (Acts 1:11; 1 Thess. 4:16,17).

Following the Tribulation, He shall return to earth as King of kings, and Lord of lords, and together with His saints, who shall be kings and priests, He shall reign a thousand years (Rev. 5:10; 20:6).

Joagbaje... Can you expound on the other two, and Leta see whether they be same or totally different.

Cc
Vooks, image123, Olaadegbu, nannymcphee, Trustman

Scholar8200:

Do you mean the coming of Jesus and the ensuing battle of Armageddon will be the rapture?

1.How then do you explain the fact that 1 Thessalonians 4:17 speaks of meeting the Lord in the air while Revelations 20 speaks of an Earthly reign, seconded by Isaiah 63:2,3, Zechariah 12:9-10 (cf Revelations 1:7) and Zechariah 14:2,3,4,9 etc

2. And what will be the import of Isaiah 60 that describes the condition Jerusalem will be during the Milenial reign when Christ reigns in Jerusalem?


3. and when will this be fulfilledNot the same as battle of Armageddon) Revelations 20:7-10?

4. 1 Thessalonians 4 talks of meeting the Lord in the air(Rapture), Revelations 20 etc talks of The Lord descending to earth and reigning after the Battle of Armagedon; the millenial reign ends with the battle of Gog and Magog this time fire falls from Heaven and destroys the attackers.

5.Armagedon ends with the final judgement of the antichrist; Gog and Magog ends with the final Judgement of satan (find these in Revelations 19 & 20) Armagedon is succeeded by the Millenial reign; Gog and Magog is succeeded by the Great White Throne Judgement hence these events are different just like Rapture precedes Great Tribulation and Millenial reign precedes Great White Throne Judgement! The Millenial reign, unlike the Rapture, begins with a battle and ends with a battle-Armagedon and Gog&Magog respectively!
6. And if Armagedon will take place at the rapture what purpose will another battle - Gog and Magog Revelations 20:8-10- serve?
We are here to learn (not to win an argument)hence my quoting of these references. If I am wrong please indicate and explain those references vis a vis other parallel passages.

cc
EMILO2STAY
Mr President1

Image123:


Hmmmmm, good evening. i've been trying as much as lies in me to avoid doctrinal threads recently. Knowledge is good and knowledge of the Truth makes one free. Also though, knowledge puffs off and i find this latter the case oftentimes outside of fellowship. Nonetheless, i'm one for the privilege to share, and i thank my 'inviter' Knowing that maybe one soul somewhere sometime may perhaps be blessed, taught, or instructed, and also in cognizance of the fact that knowledge of correct doctrine doesn't take anyone to Heaven or eternal life. i'd rather be the repented thief on the cross with no braggadocio about the correct views on trinity or tithe or rapture, than have all knowledge and not be prepared to meet the Lord.
That been stated clearly, i am of the leaning that the rapture precedes the Great Tribulation, then the Second Coming. The order of events awaited are Rapture, Great Tribulation, and Second Coming. In summary;
-The rapture is the catching AWAY of believers to meet the Lord IN THE AIR.
-The Great Tribulation is a period of wrath and judgement ON THE EARTH.
-The Second Coming is Jesus the Christ's second COMING to THIS EARTH.
Note that the rapture(or it's idea and teaching if you like) is not a COMING in the sense but an appearance, in a short moment. "this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

The Great Tribulation is not eternal judgement, it is not hell fire, it is not annihilation or destruction. The Tribulation is a period ON EARTH, not in hell or gehenna or some place else. Bible students know and believe this. Also, the Israelites seemed to be aware and expectant of some sort of tribulation, haven been several times warned so by the Old Testament prophets. This is evident in John Baptist's assuming preaching.
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? There was a wrath to come, a tribulation been expected. It was referred to in many OT scriptures and it is on earth, a period of suffering and troubles. Yes, man's days are full of trouble but this one is different, intense and specific.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

The last passage there refers to the period as a time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it. Jacob/Israel will be saved, and so also will the saints of God.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

If the words and promises of Jesus are true and if He is the same yesterday, today and forever, we can be sure that the believers will not pass through the Great tribulation.
2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

The book of Revelations is clear and to a major extent chronological. It depicts the saints and elders in heaven before God and His throne and His angels while the tribulations and woes and trumpets and vails are going on.
Chapters 1-3 are pre-rapture. Chapter4v1 is highly symbolic of the rapture.
Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter.

AFTER THIS, after earth and the overcomings etc, a door is opened in heaven. Saints are there etc. Tribulation begins on earth around chapters 6 to 19. In chapter 19, we see the Second Coming to earth, where the King of kings and Prince of Life comes to earth, defeats the beast and reigns etc till the end of course. i've talked much already. Thanks again.

Gombs:


Yeah.. I'm cultist huh... WoF.

Cooooool

Gather the lads, the WoF theorists...y'all give me some cosmic comedy!

Image123:


Hmmmmm, good evening. i've been trying as much as lies in me to avoid doctrinal threads recently. Knowledge is good and knowledge of the Truth makes one free. Also though, knowledge puffs off and i find this latter the case oftentimes outside of fellowship. Nonetheless, i'm one for the privilege to share, and i thank my 'inviter' Knowing that maybe one soul somewhere sometime may perhaps be blessed, taught, or instructed, and also in cognizance of the fact that knowledge of correct doctrine doesn't take anyone to Heaven or eternal life. i'd rather be the repented thief on the cross with no braggadocio about the correct views on trinity or tithe or rapture, than have all knowledge and not be prepared to meet the Lord.
That been stated clearly, i am of the leaning that the rapture precedes the Great Tribulation, then the Second Coming. The order of events awaited are Rapture, Great Tribulation, and Second Coming. In summary;
-The rapture is the catching AWAY of believers to meet the Lord IN THE AIR.
-The Great Tribulation is a period of wrath and judgement ON THE EARTH.
-The Second Coming is Jesus the Christ's second COMING to THIS EARTH.
Note that the rapture(or it's idea and teaching if you like) is not a COMING in the sense but an appearance, in a short moment. "this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

The Great Tribulation is not eternal judgement, it is not hell fire, it is not annihilation or destruction. The Tribulation is a period ON EARTH, not in hell or gehenna or some place else. Bible students know and believe this. Also, the Israelites seemed to be aware and expectant of some sort of tribulation, haven been several times warned so by the Old Testament prophets. This is evident in John Baptist's assuming preaching.
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? There was a wrath to come, a tribulation been expected. It was referred to in many OT scriptures and it is on earth, a period of suffering and troubles. Yes, man's days are full of trouble but this one is different, intense and specific.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

The last passage there refers to the period as a time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it. Jacob/Israel will be saved, and so also will the saints of God.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

If the words and promises of Jesus are true and if He is the same yesterday, today and forever, we can be sure that the believers will not pass through the Great tribulation.
2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

The book of Revelations is clear and to a major extent chronological. It depicts the saints and elders in heaven before God and His throne and His angels while the tribulations and woes and trumpets and vails are going on.
Chapters 1-3 are pre-rapture. Chapter4v1 is highly symbolic of the rapture.
Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter.

AFTER THIS, after earth and the overcomings etc, a door is opened in heaven. Saints are there etc. Tribulation begins on earth around chapters 6 to 19. In chapter 19, we see the Second Coming to earth, where the King of kings and Prince of Life comes to earth, defeats the beast and reigns etc till the end of course. i've talked much already. Thanks again.

vooks:

Show me at what point Jesus returns in Revelation. Thank you

MostHigh:
Presido I greet you. Teacher teach dem somthing.

Scholar8200:

Revelations 19:8,14 shows His coming to fight the battle of Armagedon and the establishment of His Millenial reign.

Notice that in that verse the saints do not go to meet Him in the air (as 1 Thessalonians 4 describes) rather they come with Him. (the armies of Heaven used in Rev. 19 vs 14 were the saints because Rev 19 vs 8 already told us that the white linen is the righteousness of the saints, not Angels).
Nothing is said here of the dead in Christ rising and those alive being changed rather Zechariah 12:10,11 shows the mourning by those who once ''received Him not'' and they will be on Earth.

Scholar8200:

Do you mean the coming of Jesus and the ensuing battle of Armageddon will be the rapture?

1.How then do you explain the fact that 1 Thessalonians 4:17 speaks of meeting the Lord in the air while Revelations 20 speaks of an Earthly reign, seconded by Isaiah 63:2,3, Zechariah 12:9-10 (cf Revelations 1:7) and Zechariah 14:2,3,4,9 etc

2. And what will be the import of Isaiah 60 that describes the condition Jerusalem will be during the Milenial reign when Christ reigns in Jerusalem?


3. and when will this be fulfilledNot the same as battle of Armageddon) Revelations 20:7-10?

4. 1 Thessalonians 4 talks of meeting the Lord in the air(Rapture), Revelations 20 etc talks of The Lord descending to earth and reigning after the Battle of Armagedon; the millenial reign ends with the battle of Gog and Magog this time fire falls from Heaven and destroys the attackers.

5.Armagedon ends with the final judgement of the antichrist; Gog and Magog ends with the final Judgement of satan (find these in Revelations 19 & 20) Armagedon is succeeded by the Millenial reign; Gog and Magog is succeeded by the Great White Throne Judgement hence these events are different just like Rapture precedes Great Tribulation and Millenial reign precedes Great White Throne Judgement! The Millenial reign, unlike the Rapture, begins with a battle and ends with a battle-Armagedon and Gog&Magog respectively!
6. And if Armagedon will take place at the rapture what purpose will another battle - Gog and Magog Revelations 20:8-10- serve?
We are here to learn (not to win an argument)hence my quoting of these references. If I am wrong please indicate and explain those references vis a vis other parallel passages.

cc
EMILO2STAY
Mr President1

vooks:
[b]2 Thessalonians 2:1-8 King James Version (KJV)

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:[/b]

Scholar8200,Gombs,Joagbaje

Please note the following;

1. Verse 1. THE COMING OF OUR LORD, AND OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM.
it is clear ONE event is described

2. Verse 3 It comes AFTER the man of sin has been revealed ( forget whatever that means for now)

3. Verse 8 Man of sin is destroyed at the coming of Jesus.

Questions for you
1. Is the coming of verse 1 and 8 the same?
2. Is this coming associated with rapture?
3. Why would the coming and rapture/gathering be related with each other by Paul?

vooks:

In Thessalonians God brings with Jesus the dead
1 Thessalonians 4:14 (KJV)
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.


How many resurrections do we have?
Indicate them from Revelation

Thanks.
Am driving my point

Scholar8200:

Do you mean the coming of Jesus and the ensuing battle of Armageddon will be the rapture?

1.How then do you explain the fact that 1 Thessalonians 4:17 speaks of meeting the Lord in the air while Revelations 20 speaks of an Earthly reign, seconded by Isaiah 63:2,3, Zechariah 12:9-10 (cf Revelations 1:7) and Zechariah 14:2,3,4,9 etc

2. And what will be the import of Isaiah 60 that describes the condition Jerusalem will be during the Milenial reign when Christ reigns in Jerusalem?


3. and when will this be fulfilledNot the same as battle of Armageddon) Revelations 20:7-10?

4. 1 Thessalonians 4 talks of meeting the Lord in the air(Rapture), Revelations 20 etc talks of The Lord descending to earth and reigning after the Battle of Armagedon; the millenial reign ends with the battle of Gog and Magog this time fire falls from Heaven and destroys the attackers.

5.Armagedon ends with the final judgement of the antichrist; Gog and Magog ends with the final Judgement of satan (find these in Revelations 19 & 20) Armagedon is succeeded by the Millenial reign; Gog and Magog is succeeded by the Great White Throne Judgement hence these events are different just like Rapture precedes Great Tribulation and Millenial reign precedes Great White Throne Judgement! The Millenial reign, unlike the Rapture, begins with a battle and ends with a battle-Armagedon and Gog&Magog respectively!
6. And if Armagedon will take place at the rapture what purpose will another battle - Gog and Magog Revelations 20:8-10- serve?
We are here to learn (not to win an argument)hence my quoting of these references. If I am wrong please indicate and explain those references vis a vis other parallel passages.

cc
EMILO2STAY
Mr President1

Scholar8200:

Do you mean the coming of Jesus and the ensuing battle of Armageddon will be the rapture?

1.How then do you explain the fact that 1 Thessalonians 4:17 speaks of meeting the Lord in the air while Revelations 20 speaks of an Earthly reign, seconded by Isaiah 63:2,3, Zechariah 12:9-10 (cf Revelations 1:7) and Zechariah 14:2,3,4,9 etc

2. And what will be the import of Isaiah 60 that describes the condition Jerusalem will be during the Milenial reign when Christ reigns in Jerusalem?


3. and when will this be fulfilledNot the same as battle of Armageddon) Revelations 20:7-10?

4. 1 Thessalonians 4 talks of meeting the Lord in the air(Rapture), Revelations 20 etc talks of The Lord descending to earth and reigning after the Battle of Armagedon; the millenial reign ends with the battle of Gog and Magog this time fire falls from Heaven and destroys the attackers.

5.Armagedon ends with the final judgement of the antichrist; Gog and Magog ends with the final Judgement of satan (find these in Revelations 19 & 20) Armagedon is succeeded by the Millenial reign; Gog and Magog is succeeded by the Great White Throne Judgement hence these events are different just like Rapture precedes Great Tribulation and Millenial reign precedes Great White Throne Judgement! The Millenial reign, unlike the Rapture, begins with a battle and ends with a battle-Armagedon and Gog&Magog respectively!
6. And if Armagedon will take place at the rapture what purpose will another battle - Gog and Magog Revelations 20:8-10- serve?
We are here to learn (not to win an argument)hence my quoting of these references. If I am wrong please indicate and explain those references vis a vis other parallel passages.

cc
EMILO2STAY
Mr President1

Scholar8200:

Do you mean the coming of Jesus and the ensuing battle of Armageddon will be the rapture?

1.How then do you explain the fact that 1 Thessalonians 4:17 speaks of meeting the Lord in the air while Revelations 20 speaks of an Earthly reign, seconded by Isaiah 63:2,3, Zechariah 12:9-10 (cf Revelations 1:7) and Zechariah 14:2,3,4,9 etc

2. And what will be the import of Isaiah 60 that describes the condition Jerusalem will be during the Milenial reign when Christ reigns in Jerusalem?


3. and when will this be fulfilledNot the same as battle of Armageddon) Revelations 20:7-10?

4. 1 Thessalonians 4 talks of meeting the Lord in the air(Rapture), Revelations 20 etc talks of The Lord descending to earth and reigning after the Battle of Armagedon; the millenial reign ends with the battle of Gog and Magog this time fire falls from Heaven and destroys the attackers.

5.Armagedon ends with the final judgement of the antichrist; Gog and Magog ends with the final Judgement of satan (find these in Revelations 19 & 20) Armagedon is succeeded by the Millenial reign; Gog and Magog is succeeded by the Great White Throne Judgement hence these events are different just like Rapture precedes Great Tribulation and Millenial reign precedes Great White Throne Judgement! The Millenial reign, unlike the Rapture, begins with a battle and ends with a battle-Armagedon and Gog&Magog respectively!
6. And if Armagedon will take place at the rapture what purpose will another battle - Gog and Magog Revelations 20:8-10- serve?
We are here to learn (not to win an argument)hence my quoting of these references. If I am wrong please indicate and explain those references vis a vis other parallel passages.

cc
EMILO2STAY
Mr President1

Scholar8200:

I am eager to learn too but most importantly may God grant us grace to see Him at the end.

That passage you quoted is talking about the rapture and the resurrection of the dead saints and transformation of the living ones and both meet the Lord in the air.
This Raptured Bride of the Lamb will descend with Him at His Coming to establish the Millenial reign.

At that time, those Tribulation saints that were martyred by the antichrist will be resurrected see Revelations 20:4

After the battle of Gog and Magog at the end of the Millenial reign, then the resurrection of the damned see Revelations 20: 13,12

Scholar8200:

I perceive that there are things Inspired in the NT that are so such that it will comfort those described in Revelations as Tribulation saints just as there are such in the OT.

(Vs 4 talks of the antichrist sitting in the Temple- this indicates a reference to the occurrence after the rapture and the commencement of the 70th week programme of God with Israel. You will agree with me that for the Gentile believers, we dont have Temples but houses/buildings where the church meets and that could be anywhere.

The 3.5 years of peace will be achieved by a treaty with Israel meaning at that time, there would be much focus on Israel and her peculiarities.
Compare the passage you quoted especially 2 Thess 1:6,7 with Revelations 13:10 and see the similarities.

Moreover 1 Thess 4:17 speaks of meeting the Lord in the AIR, while 2 Thess describes an event that will take place on Earth.

2 Thessalonians describes the setting of the Battle of Armagedon where Christ descends with the saints and the Antichrist is destroyed. The battle of Gog and Magog would see fire fallen from Heaven and destroying the armies of the dragon and the final judgement of the dragon.
Besides, we should be curious that Revelations specifies / distinguishes TRIBULATION saints from the Bride of Christ!
The latter would be in Heaven while the tribulation lasts while some of the former would arrive Heaven as a result of being killed during the Tribulation.
Besides in his prophecy of the coming of Christ to establish His Millenial reign, Zechariah shows clearly that He will descend WITH His saints (the earlier raptured Bride affirmed in Revelations 19:7,8,14)
''...and the LORD my God shall come, and ALL THE SAINTS WITH THEE...'' Zechariah 14:5b
Moreover, Isaiah proves that during the millenial reign, the Elect (Israel) will still experience death which wont happen to the Raptured saints because already they have been changed!
''... For the CHILD SHALL DIE an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed..'' Isaiah 65:20 this is in perfect keeping with the Truth in Revelations 20:14 and 1 Corinth 15:26 that the last enemy that will be destroyed is Death and that will happen after the Millenial reign.

If we go by your position, we will be contradicting 1 Corinth 15:52-56 and Isaiah 65:20.

vooks:


Let's try some method. Stick to one verse till we have exhausted it.

The verse clearly talks of COMING. Are you correcting Paul?

Scholar8200:
The danger inherent in this approach is that we may arrive at conclusions that contradict the other passages.

No.

vooks:

The problem with your approach is you can't stick to a single scripture long enough without throwing in biases and assumptions from elsewhere.

Let's stick to Thessalonians.

vooks:

We will dwell on as many scriptures as you want sir. The danger of hopping all over without determining what any scripture means ministers Christianity that is miles wide and only milimeters deep. Such shallow faith is so malleable, it can fit ANYTHING you want it and is the furthest thing from objectivity.

Scholar8200:
Kindly specify examples of the highlighted and the extra-scriptural sources (elsewhere) I have quoted from

Sticking to only one portion is the reason why we have some damnable heresies today and unfortunately the proteges of such teachings deliberately close their eyes to other passages that contradict the erroneous conclusions drawn from a single passage divorced from the Big Picture!

Scholar8200:
Rather, it ensures that we consider all that the Bible says about a subject and not just a passage that suits us! That is real objectivity!!!
I wonder how the highlighted applies to the matter at hand?

vooks:

You are throwing UNRELATED portions of scriptures for once. You are also assuming the nature and extent of tribulation such as it lasts 3.5 years and so forth

The ONLY reason you won't suffer Paul to speak to you is because he smashes your theories to smithereens. Peter speak of some who twist Paul to their own damnation.

When studying scriptures the FIRST question one asks is what the scripture is saying. You can't do this because you have determined it beforehand to be saying something else than it is saying

vooks:


We will move to Genesis, and even apocrypha.
How one arrives at truth is to determine what EACH and EVERY scripture means. We can then pick identical subjects and develop a doctrine from ALL these. But if we steadfastly resist a single scripture because it collapses our house of cards, we are blatantly dishonest.

Scholar8200:
But why do you say they are unrelated? The prophecies concerning Christ first and second advent are found in the Law, the Psalms and the Prophets!
Daniel 9:27 speaks of what the prince (Daniel 9:26 speaks of a prince that shall come after the Messiah) would do for 7 years and that in the midst of the period (after 3.5 years) he will commence his abominations.

Paul? But did I not mention 1 Thessalonians 4:17? and was he not the Inspired writer of 1 Corinthians 15? Did Paul not write of the Judgement seat of Christ as a place where all believers (not the dead in Revelations 20) will appear before the Lord to receive a reward for their works?
Should I also opine that you appear to avoid the other places quoted because they contradict what you hold?

That is why there is the need to consider all that the Bible says about a particular subject before forming an opinion; Jesus did the same thing after He arose Luke 24:27,44