scholes0:


What Binis originally called their titled kings was Ogiso, not Oba.
It was Oranmiyan that changed the title from Ogiso to the Yoruba words, Oba, & Omo n'Oba n'Edo, Crowned King of the Edos.
All kings in Yorubaland are known as Oba.

Also, Olu might exist in several African languages, but the Olu of Yoruba means "Lord", the only other Languages with similar connnotations of the word are Itsekiri (Olu), and Igala (Onu)


cc: Goodboiy

The Edos/Binis say it differently that the word is theirs. It would be expected that the Urhobos, who are Edoid, should be more inclined towards the Edos than Yorubas

Do you have published evidence for the 'ogiso changing of names?' Because this a great distortion of facts.

bigfrancis21:


The Edos/Binis say it differently that the word is theirs. It would be expected that the Urhobos, who are Edoid, should be more inclined towards the Edos than Yorubas

Do you have published evidence for the 'ogiso changing of names?' Because this a great distortion of facts.

How can Oba be an Edo word, yet only Benin is the only major town in Edo state (minus the Akoko-Edo axis) with a king who carries the title?
Their position is understandable though... No tribe wants to be seen as offshoots or scions of another.
As expected, the Binis have often frowned at the derivation of their cherished traditions, Including many of the gods they worship from Yorubaland.
http://www.britannica.com/topic/ogiso

Urhobo and Igbo share names like Okparah and Eke,Omeruah etc. May I know what these names mean in Urhobo?
Cc Goodboiy

scholes0:


What Binis originally called their titled kings was Ogiso, not Oba.
It was Oranmiyan that changed the title from Ogiso to the Yoruba words, Oba, & Omo n'Oba n'Edo, Crowned King of the Edos.
All kings in Yorubaland are known as Oba.

Also, Olu might exist in several African languages, but the Olu of Yoruba means "Lord", the only other Languages with similar connnotations of the word are Itsekiri (Olu), and Igala (Onu)


cc: Goodboiy

Well stated. Whats the meaning of Olorugun in Yoruba ?.. I have seen a Yoruba boy bearing Oloruguya something like that..pls clarify.. as that word is used in Urhobo

bigfrancis21:


Your mom probably does not know, especially if she is not a historian.

I guess you wouldn't have an issue had the story been some Urhobos have Yoruba ancestry right?

don't Tribalise everything. wen it comes to Ethnicity nobody wants to loose his ground because of friendship. meanwhile I have added Ego to the list .. Urhobo may have borrowed That word from Igbo. just like if Yoruba say Tosin, Itsekiri will say Tosan.

DikeOha882:
Urhobo and Igbo share names like Okparah and Eke,Omeruah etc. May I know what these names mean in Urhobo?
Cc Goodboiy

Okpara is a name of a village in Ethiope east L GA of Delta state.. It means "People Who Stayed closely to River/stream ".. I might nor get it correct but its something like that.

Eke ??

Omeruah : maybe you didn't spell It correct, But to my Knowledge it means "Something that is getting bigger"

Seun , Lalasticlala do the needful na..

Not satisfied with your explanation

Goodboiy:


Okpara is a name of a village in Ethiope east L GA of Delta state.. It means "People Who Stayed closely to River/stream ".. I might nor get it correct but its something like that.

Eke ??

Omeruah : maybe you didn't spell It correct, But to my Knowledge it means "Something that is getting bigger"

Seun , Lalasticlala do the needful na..

Goodboiy:
Hi peeps.. I haven't create any new thread recently due to some reasons best known To me, Although I still Remain your loyal boy "Goodboiyy" . Below are some Igbo and Yoruba word used in Urhobo language.

1. Biko : Biko is an Igbo word for "Please" And it means same in Urhobo, in Urhobo you usually hear word like "Oghene' biko keme' Igho" Meaning "God please Give me money".

2. Olori : Olori is a Yoruba Word for Head .. in Urhobo it means the same thing..

3. Orgor' : Orgor' is an Igbo word for 'Inlaw'. It means the same thing in Urhobo.. for example I might say "Oniovo Orgor we' nkor " meaning 'brother how is Your Inlaw ".

4. Omo' : Omo'r is a Yoruba word for Child, It has same meaning in Urhobo.. I can make statement like " e' Freemanan Omo'r meh' … meaning "Freemanan is my Son"

5. Obara' : Obara is an Igbo word for blood.. It means Same In Urhobo.. Why The Igbo woman will shout "Obara Jesus" and Urhobo Woman will say "Oba'rah' Re' Jesu"

6. Jesu' : Jesu' is an Yoruba word for Jesus . its still the same in Urhobo

7. Ew'a : Ew'a is another Yoruba word for Beans and its thesame with Urhobo. Ew'a is pronounced in Urhobo exactly thesame with That of Yoruba

8. OBA : OBA is a Yoruba word for king , We still use it in Urhobo.. If we Want to Call God.. we say Oba' risi' meaning " King Of The Word"

9. Akpere : Is a Yoruba word for basket, it means the same Thing in Urhobo

10. Ego : Its an Igbo word for Money.. in Urhobo we say Igho .. I believe the word belongs to Igboid.

11. ejime : Its an Igbo word for Twins, Its spelt and Pronounced The same in Urhobo

12. Osusu : Is a Yoruba Word for Monthly savings. Its the same in Urhobo

Pls don't derail the thread. THANKS

Osusu yoruba? This is Igbo


Ejima Ejime Ejire - Igbo Urhobo Yoruba

macof:


Osusu yoruba? This is Igbo


Ejima Ejime Ejire - Igbo Urhobo Yoruba

I was also a little perplexed by the emboldened. I know the Igbo (especially the southern Igbo) have a savings system called Isusu, which they say they've had since the precolonial days.

But I've also seen claims that the Yoruba have a similar system which they call Esu or Esusu.

@OP: Do the Urhobo use 'ugo' for 'eagle' or is it just the Orogun that do?

cheruv:
That means Sobo is an amalgam of Old Bini and medieval Igbo with the Bini been more in proportion.
Even though those words you claim are Yoruba, I believe they're Bini.
Moreover, Bini and Yoruba lingos based on my observation show an almost 75-85% correspondence.
Igbo is the only lingo of the YEAI family thats totally different from the others.

There are some similar words between Yoruba and other Southern Nigerians aren't present in Bini.
All the YEAI languages share equal portion of similarities, in my opinion

bigfrancis21:


You are clearly ignorant of Edo-Yoruba history. Just because Yorubas popularly use 'oba' does not mean it is of Yoruba origin. 'oba' is a bini word and not a Yoruba word. I know this sounds surprising to you to learn this but the word originates from the binis, not Yorubas. True bini people know this. I'm going to invite NigerMan, a proud Eshan man, to school you on this.

I don't know what you mean by 'olu' being a Yoruba word. You have to give the meaning of that word you're referencing. 'olu' as a word exists in several african languages and means different things. In Igbo, 'olu' could mean 'neck', 'voice' or 'riverine people living close to the river/sea'.

Do not think you know it all. You have to keep an open mind to learning things that you don't know or correcting impressions that you thought were probably right before.

you are neither Yoruba nor Bini. Funny how the ignorant outsider wants to claim for Bini what they don't even claim for themselves

DikeOha882:
Not satisfied with your explanation

sorry about that sir.. you can start by Telling me the meaning of the said word so we can compare both.

Radoillo:


I was also a little perplexed by the emboldened. I know the Igbo (especially the southern Igbo) have a savings system called Isusu, which they say they've had since the precolonial days.

But I've also seen claims that the Yoruba have a similar system which they call Esu or Esusu.

@OP: Do the Urhobo use 'ugo' for 'eagle' or is it just the Orogun that do?

@Bolded .. yep. we call eagle Ugo'.. is it the same with Igbo ?.. if you pls do notify me so I can add it to my list..asap

macof:
you are neither Yoruba nor Bini. Funny how the ignorant outsider wants to claim for Bini what they don't even claim for themselves

There usual Igbo/Yoruba fight.. am not surprise

macof:


Osusu yoruba? This is Igbo


Ejima Ejime Ejire - Igbo Urhobo Yoruba

Lolz.. BRo re you sure ?.. I did research b4 posting that @bolded.. pls do. confirm it. so I can modify it.. asap

Goodboiy:


Well stated. Whats the meaning of Olorugun in Yoruba ?.. I have seen a Yoruba boy bearing Oloruguya something like that..pls clarify.. as that word is used in Urhobo

Maybe you mean Olorogun which is the title for the leader of a military unit

Seun and lalasticlala this thread will go a long way Promoting the unity of The people of Southern Nigeria.. but since you don't want to move it to FP.. no p.

b4 I forget.. Happy Sunday [ Olorogun chief Seun Osewa (This name sound Urhobo) ] and Olorogun Lalasticlala.. una good afternoon

Goodboiy:


don't Tribalise everything. wen it comes to Ethnicity nobody wants to loose his ground because of friendship. meanwhile I have added Ego to the list .. Urhobo may have borrowed That word from Igbo. just like if Yoruba say Tosin, Itsekiri will say Tosan.

"Tosan" also said by the Olukumi

macof:


Maybe you mean Olorogun which is the title for the leader of a military unit

do you mean in Yoruba ?

macof:
"Tosan" also said by the Olukumi

Then Olukumi re of Itsekiri ancestry.. Don't You think ?

bigfrancis21:


@OP...Jesu, Omo and Oba are not Yoruba words. Jesu is derived from Jesus and cannot be considered Yoruba in anyway. Jesu is only a localized adaptation of the Jesus name in Christianity amongst Igbos and Yorubas. Jesus Christ is Jesu Kristi in Igbo as well.

Omo is common to Edo languages, Urhobo, Isoko, and Yoruba and cannot be said to be derived from Yoruba specifically.

As for Oba, I think you are looking for the origin far beyond where you should. Oba is a Bini/Edo word and NOT a Yoruba word. Ancient Yoruba kings were never addressed as Oba but were known by their various territorial titles such as alaafin of xyz, ajuwale of abc. We begin to see the appearance of Oba in Yoruba land after the Binis conquered Lagos and installed an Oba of Lagos (mind you this Oba was a Bini Oba, not a Yoruba Oba, ruling over Lagos) after which the usage of 'Oba' began to spread over Yoruba land.

You also forgot to include that 'igho' is similar to 'ego' in Igbo for money.

Olodo ni bobo yi o

And I heard this guy is a mod, really?

Goodboiy:




OBA is a Yoruba word I stand to be corrected.. The words I used above re pure Yoruba/Igbo.. Don't tell me another Thing because of the hatred you have for Yoruba.

Oba , Olu are both Yoruba.. even the bini's knows that.. just accept the truth for once.. as for as for the Igho/ego they sound different both in Spelling and pronunciation try comparing it with "Orgor" "biko" e.t.c

Bros you make sense, make I add:


Ancient Benin/Edo used Oghiso, not Oba.

Prior to Oduduwa, Ife (Yoruba) had several hamlets all headed by Kings. The lineage of these kings are still in existance and these kings still play the role of controlling their hamlets with Ooni being the overall head thereby reducing them to what seems like 'Chief-King' status.

Some of these kings before Oranmiyan was born or even went to set up Oba Benin in Benin Empire were: Obalufe, Obawinrin, Obalaaye, Obatala, Obadio, Obaloran, Obajio, Obalurin, Obanurin, Obalale, Obalesun, Obalejugbe, Obalepon the list is long, I'll stop here.

From the above, tell me how 'Oba' which means 'the person overseeing, sitting, lording over everything' is a Benin word again. And how Yoruba supposedly borrowed it from Benin and used it for many centuries before Oranmiyan went to give Benin 'Oba of Benin' dynasty.

That Big fornothing Francis no sabi anything at all.

bigfrancis21:


You are clearly ignorant of Edo-Yoruba history. Just because Yorubas popularly use 'oba' does not mean it is of Yoruba origin. 'oba' is a bini word and not a Yoruba word. I know this sounds surprising to you to learn this but the word originates from the binis, not Yorubas. True bini people know this. I'm going to invite NigerMan, a proud Eshan man, to school you on this.

I don't know what you mean by 'olu' being a Yoruba word. You have to give the meaning of that word you're referencing. 'olu' as a word exists in several african languages and means different things. In Igbo, 'olu' could mean 'neck', 'voice' or 'riverine people living close to the river/sea'.

Do not think you know it all. You have to keep an open mind to learning things that you don't know or correcting impressions that you thought were probably right before.

You have a great love for misleading Yoruba with your whim and caprice.

Everyone knows how you project your madness.

bigfrancis21:


The Edos/Binis say it differently that the word is theirs. It would be expected that the Urhobos, who are Edoid, should be more inclined towards the Edos than Yorubas

Do you have published evidence for the 'ogiso changing of names?' Because this a great distortion of facts.

What published evidence do you have, that was signed by an Ogiso, and canonized as 'holy grail', that contrary claims can distort?


Helloo?

DikeOha882:
Not satisfied with your explanation

Goodboiy is right. Apart from Okpara which is the name of a village, the other terms are appellations whose meanings are lost to history. They are probably borrowed names. There is nothing peculiarly Urhoboic about them.

Goodboiy:


@Bolded .. yep. we call eagle Ugo'.. is it the same with Igbo ?.. if you pls do notify me so I can add it to my list..asap

Yes, eagle is ugo.

Just learnt that surname can be borrowed, ok what's the meaning of okpara as a name, in Igbo it means first son

fratermathy:


Goodboiy is right. Apart from Okpara which is the name of a village, the other terms are appellations whose meanings are lost to history. They are probably borrowed names. There is nothing peculiarly Urhoboic about them.

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Goodboiy:
Hi peeps.. I haven't create any new thread recently due to some reasons best known To me, Although I still Remain your loyal boy "Goodboiyy" . Below are some Igbo and Yoruba word used in Urhobo language.

1. Biko : Biko is an Igbo word for "Please" And it means same in Urhobo, in Urhobo you usually hear word like "Oghene' biko keme' Igho" Meaning "God please Give me money".

2. Olori : Olori is a Yoruba Word for Head .. in Urhobo it means the same thing..

3. Orgor' : Orgor' is an Igbo word for 'Inlaw'. It means the same thing in Urhobo.. for example I might say "Oniovo Orgor we' nkor " meaning 'brother how is Your Inlaw ".

4. Omo' : Omo'r is a Yoruba word for Child, It has same meaning in Urhobo.. I can make statement like " e' Freemanan Omo'r meh' … meaning "Freemanan is my Son"

5. Obara' : Obara is an Igbo word for blood.. It means Same In Urhobo.. Why The Igbo woman will shout "Obara Jesus" and Urhobo Woman will say "Oba'rah' Re' Jesu"

6. Jesu' : Jesu' is an Yoruba word for Jesus . its still the same in Urhobo

7. Ew'a : Ew'a is another Yoruba word for Beans and its thesame with Urhobo. Ew'a is pronounced in Urhobo exactly thesame with That of Yoruba

8. OBA : OBA is a Yoruba word for king , We still use it in Urhobo.. If we Want to Call God.. we say Oba' risi' meaning " King Of The Word"

9. Akpere : Is a Yoruba word for basket, it means the same Thing in Urhobo

10. Ego : Its an Igbo word for Money.. in Urhobo we say Igho .. I believe the word belongs to Igboid.

11. ejime : Its an Igbo word for Twins, Its spelt and Pronounced The same in Urhobo

12. Osusu : Is a Yoruba Word for Monthly savings. Its the same in Urhobo

Pls don't derail the thread. THANKS

HEY OP. OSUSU IS NOT A YORUBA LANGUAGE

Good research - but you could have said words used in the different languages mentioned and not suggesting the words originally belong to the ibos or yoruba. The originality of those words is a subject for another thread

menabae:
I think there is an elements of truth in ur post,I'm an isoko girl,and there is a village call asaba-ase meaning small asaba in isoko land,these people speaks both isoko and igbo fluently #fact# even some words in isoko rhyme in igbo e.g ude cream,aferri-plate. Not sure of the spellings sha

Babe u try...here's another one
Yoruba enu/gbenu? = mouth; Isoko enu= mouth

Goodboiy:


The words used above re pure Yoruba.. And We have more Yoruba word than that of Igbo.. Stop playing smart.. No Yoruba have denied the Igbo words I used but you keep saying another Thing even wen u know the words re Yoruba Word.. #Dontbeafool

Point of Correction.. Urhobo never mixed with Igbo.. My purpose of creating this thread is to inform others that There re some Igbo/Yoruba Word used In My language.. The highest you can do is to contribute to this thread instead of Trying to rewrite history.

You should understand the guy is stylishly claiming Urhobo for biafra. He is pained they have serious connections with the yorubas

No 9 is "Ejima" in Igbo and not "Ejime"