Leon2036:
1, we believe in God the eternal father and his son Jesus christ and in the Holy Ghost.
2, we believe that men will be punished for thier own sin not for Adams transgression
3.we believe that through the atonement of christ all man kind may may saved , by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel., my dear sister is it a cross u worship?

No I just asked you to explain for others, not to answer my question with a question Moroni

Leon2036:
sorry I was typing in a hurry as I was inside a bus,
Jesus christ is the only begotten of the father in flesh, the saviour and redeemer of the world
Lucifer, is the bright morning star the shinning one an angel of God who rebelled against God!!

So another set of questions

Is jesus one with God there for God the
son

Is lucifer evil

And do Mormons believe Lucifer was Jesus ' brother..

parisbookaddict:


So another set of questions

Is jesus one with God there for God the
son

Is lucifer evil

And do Mormons believe Lucifer was Jesus ' brother..

I believe you've read the scripture that said I and my father are one, no one comes unto my father except through me. lucifer is the father of all lies, and seek to take away our agency, and also seek to destroy the plan of salvation and such can be tagged evil....and Latter-day Saints believe that God is the father of all spirits (Hebrews 12:9 ). These
spirits include all humans, as well as angels, demons (including Satan), and Jesus
Christ. In this sense, we are all brothers and sisters to each other. We are all
brothers and sisters to Christ, as well as to Satan.,

parisbookaddict:


So another set of questions

Is jesus one with God there for God the
son

Is lucifer evil

And do Mormons believe Lucifer was Jesus ' brother..

Mormons believe that Satan was also one of God’s children. He was once a great
angel who rebelled against our Heavenly Father and was thrown out of God’s
presence, with all spirits who followed him. He is now our Adversary, the Father of
Lies. He tempts all humanity to sin and turn against our Heavenly Father and Jesus
Christ. He has essentially renounced and abandoned his rights as a child of God
and as our spirit brother. He has left the family, so to speak.

Leon2036:
I believe you've read the scripture that said I and my father are one, no one comes unto my father except through me. lucifer is the father of all lies, and seek to take away our agency, and also seek to destroy the plan of salvation and such can be tagged evil....and Latter-day Saints believe that God is the father of all spirits (Hebrews 12:9 ). These
spirits include all humans, as well as angels, demons (including Satan), and Jesus
Christ. In this sense, we are all brothers and sisters to each other. We are all
brothers and sisters to Christ, as well as to Satan.,

Let me get u clear..

U believe that you mormons are brothers to lucifer aka satan

And u Mormons do believe Lucifer was Jesus ' brother



Please a simple yes or no will do

Leon2036:
I believe you've read the scripture that said I and my father are one, no one comes unto my father except through me. lucifer is the father of all lies, and seek to take away our agency, and also seek to destroy the plan of salvation and such can be tagged evil....and Latter-day Saints believe that God is the father of all spirits (Hebrews 12:9 ). These
spirits include all humans, as well as angels, demons (including Satan), and Jesus
Christ. In this sense, we are all brothers and sisters to each other. We are all
brothers and sisters to Christ, as well as to Satan.,

U are trying to dodge my question...

Of Jesus existed with the father before creation and is the word of God.. God the son, and one with God whose blood freed all humans who accept him from the punishmentbqe deserve.....if all this is true then do you as a mormon believe Jesus is part of the trinity hence God or do u believe Lucifer was Jesus ' brother..

Which strikes more true to you

parisbookaddict:



Let me get u clear..

U believe that you mormons are brothers to lucifer aka satan

And u Mormons do believe Lucifer was Jesus ' brother



Please a simple yes or no will do

I quoted you twice please read the 2nd quote as it answers the question already!!

parisbookaddict:


U are trying to dodge my question...

Of Jesus existed with the father before creation and is the word of God.. God the son, and one with God whose blood freed all humans who accept him from the punishmentbqe deserve.....if all this is true then do you as a mormon believe Jesus is part of the trinity hence God or do u believe Lucifer was Jesus ' brother..

Which strikes more true to you

yes we believe Jesus to be among the trinity God the son, and according to right of creation lucifer was a brother to jesus same way he was to all humans buh he lost that right when he rebelled and sort to destroy the works of God as such ceased to be a brother to any of God's creation..

Leon2036:
yes we believe Jesus to be among the trinity God the son, and according to right of creation lucifer was a brother to jesus same way he was to all humans buh he lost that right when he rebelled and sort to destroy the works of God as such ceased to be a brother to any of God's creation..

by right of creation are you saying jesus was also created? If yes..how come he is also amongst the triniterian God..if no..what do you mean by lucifer is brother to christ in the same way as he is to all other HUMANs?

BETATRON:
by right of creation are you saying jesus was also created? If yes..how come he is also amongst the triniterian God..if no..what do you mean by lucifer is brother to christ in the same way as he is to all other HUMANs?

let me put it in a layman's term, if Jesus christ is the son of God, and we are all children of God according to th creation the what does that make Jesus christ to us i'e (our brother) and if lucifer was also an angel created by God, what does that make him as well? according to our right of creation, it doesn't mean Christ was created.

Leon2036:
let me put it in a layman's term, if Jesus christ is the son of God, and we are all children of God according to th creation the what does that make Jesus christ to us i'e (our brother) and if lucifer was also an angel created by God, what does that make him as well? according to our right of creation, it doesn't mean Christ was created.

lol..in another layman's term..if jesus is our brother and is also equal to His father then his father is also our brother..like if x=y and x=z then y=z ryt?

BETATRON:
lol..in another layman's term..if jesus is our brother and is also equal to His father then his father is also our brother..like if x=y and x=z then y=z ryt?

criticism won't allow u face the fact that you've seen what u need, the bible says I and my father are one no one comes 2 my father except thru me, jesus christ is a God but not equal to his father, greater is he that sent me!!

Leon2036:
criticism won't allow u face the fact that you've seen what u need, the bible says I and my father are one no one comes 2 my father except thru me, jesus christ is a God but not equal to his father, greater is he that sent me!!

you're misunderstanding me brother...I'm not here to criticize your believe, no sensible person does that I only want to understand your statement and to understand I have to ask questions "one who asks questions is a fool for just five minutes"
From the verse you quoted above"greater is he that sent me" meaning that the father is well above jesus
The word SENT also indicates that he was a messenger for the father..ryt?

Leon2036:
I quoted you twice please read the 2nd quote as it answers the question already!!

And the second question ...u didnt answer it.

Do u believe u are a brother to lucifer

BETATRON:
you're misunderstanding me brother...I'm not here to criticize your believe, no sensible person does that I only want to understand your statement and to understand I have to ask questions "one who asks questions is a fool for just five minutes"
From the verse you quoted above"greater is he that sent me" meaning that the father is well above jesus
The word SENT also indicates that he was a messenger for the father..ryt?

yes he was sent to come die for the sins of mankind as such he was a messenger.

Leon2036:
yes we believe Jesus to be among the trinity God the son, and according to right of creation lucifer was a brother to jesus same way he was to all humans buh he lost that right when he rebelled and sort to destroy the works of God as such ceased to be a brother to any of God's creation..

No no no.. this is blasphemous. ..

GOD gave us a simple message in the bible... we humans like to complicate things...


How can God be a brother to a fallen angel.. angels are created beings like we humans. .thoses ur bible say different..

Jesus was not created.. he is the word of God.. the world was made by Gods word..'LET THERE BE LIGHT'. With the father before creation..

NOW U MORMONS have comeup with brotherhood through "rights of creation" please can u forward me a link to the document that contains the "rights of creation"..is thia in the christian bible please dont give me extracts from the man made book of mormons..

The devil has been clever to introduce blasphemous doctrines by tweaking little things that make a huge impact on how we humans understand and worship the creator. .

If u say that by Mormons " rights of creation" that Lucifer was Jesus ' brother then u are saying that the word of God has brothers which includes the antithesis of God... the devil, a created being.... this is heretical. ..

muslims would have u killed for this(because u claim shaytan is a brother to Jesus though both of u agree on the lie that Jesus was created). .even the catholic church at one short point in their history would have executed you..


Its such a replusive idea...your idea of brotherhood goes agaisnt

1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.


You have denied the father and the son because u believe an evil creation has brotherhood with the Son...

parisbookaddict:


And the second question ...u didnt answer it.

Do u believe u are a brother to lucifer

and I answered before, that yes we where but not anymore cos he rebelled and sort to destroy the works of God.. as such was disown and cast down from heaven with his followers

Leon2036:
yes he was sent to come die for the sins of mankind as such he was a messenger.

thanks..secondly you said "jesus christ is God but no equal to the father" isn't this equal to believing in 2 Gods and hence synonymous to polythism?

Op, pls a quick one. Tell me about your marriage doctrine. The one you'll be married forever even in hereafter. Pls back it with the bible.
Also LDS teaching on polygamy

parisbookaddict:


No no no.. this is blasphemous. ..

GOD gave us a simple message in the bible... we humans like to complicate things...


How can God be a brother to a fallen angel.. angels are created beings like we humans. .thoses ur bible say different..

Jesus was not created.. he is the word of God.. the world was made by Gods word..'LET THERE BE LIGHT'. With the father before creation..

NOW U MORMONS have comeup with brotherhood through "rights of creation" please can u forward me a link to the document that contains the "rights of creation"..is thia in the christian bible please dont give me extracts from the man made book of mormons..

The devil has been clever to introduce blasphemous doctrines by tweaking little things that make a huge impact on how we humans understand and worship the creator. .

If u say that by Mormons " rights of creation" that Lucifer was Jesus ' brother then u are saying that the word of God has brothers which includes the antithesis of God... the devil, a created being.... this is heretical. ..

muslims would have u killed for this(because u claim shaytan is a brother to Jesus though both of u agree on the lie that Jesus was created). .even the catholic church at one short point in their history would have executed you..


Its such a replusive idea...your idea of brotherhood goes agaisnt

1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.


You have denied the father and the son because u believe an evil creation has brotherhood with the Son...

my dear sister you mis quoted me and u re confusing your self, I never said jesus was created, and I neva said said mormon doctrine says right of creation, I only gave a logical answer that if jesus christ is the son of God and according to the bible creation all humans are sons and daughters of God what does that make Jesus christ to us? before the rebellion of Satan what was he? if u understand my statement I didn't say he is a brother I said he was i'e before the rebellion if I understand u, so lucifer 4rm the beginning was an evil creation?

BETATRON:
thanks..secondly you said "jesus christ is God but no equal to the father" isn't this equal to believing in 2 Gods and hence synonymous to polythism?

Nope it simply means he is part of the three God head, i'e God the father, God the son and the holy Ghost..

Leon2036:
my dear sister you mis quoted me and u re confusing your self, I never said jesus was created, and I neva said said mormon doctrine says right of creation, I only gave a logical answer that if jesus christ is the son of God and according to the bible creation all humans are sons and daughters of God what does that make Jesus christ to us? before the rebellion of Satan what was he? if u understand my statement I didn't say he is a brother I said he was i'e before the rebellion if I understand u, so lucifer 4rm the beginning was an evil creation?

Making up terms words like "right of creation" means u are making up terms to defend a lie..

He was never a brother to him..he was and is his creation..

No where in the bible is he referred to as a brother.. show me one place just one..

Leon2036:
Nope it simply means he is part of the three God head, i'e God the father, God the son and the holy Ghost..

ok..meaning that they complement each other,and need each other to carry out their duties.ryt?

soonest:
Op, pls a quick one. Tell me about your marriage doctrine. The one you be marriage forever even in hereafter. Pls back it with the bible.
Also LDS teaching on polygamy

we believe in life after death as such we believe in marriage for time and all eternity we believe it to be a modern day revelation, in the early formation of the church polygamous marriage was practised in the church it took a long while and thru revelation that it was stopped as such any man or woman who practices polygamous marriage otherwise none as plural marriage cannot become or remain a member of the church!!!

BETATRON:
ok..meaning that they complement each other,and need each other to carry out their duties.ryt?

spot on my brother!!

parisbookaddict:



Making up terms words like "right of creation" means u are making up terms to defend a lie..

He was never a brother to him..he was and is his creation..

No where in the bible is he referred to as a brother.. show me one place just one..

one question to u my sister are you a sister to jesus christ?

Leon2036:
spot on my brother!!

sounds understandable
But the problem is God is free of need..isn't He?

BETATRON:
sounds understandable
But the problem is God is free of need..isn't He?

he is free of needs buh somethings he won't do for him self!!!

BETATRON:
sounds understandable
But the problem is God is free of need..isn't He?

he is free of needs buh somethings he won't do for him self!!!

Leon2036:
he is free of needs buh somethings he won't do for him self!!! :Phe is free of needs buh somethings he won't do for him self!!!

correct...
but in this case there are 3 Gods who needs each other or compliment each other..and also they have ranking like you said "jesus is God but not equal to the father"..hence they are lesser and higher Gods respectively.ryt?

Leon2036:
one question to u my sister are you a sister to jesus christ?

U should not answer a question with a question.. its usually a diversionary technique. ..

We are all children of the creator.. hence i count myself as a child of God..Jesus being a part of God from our understanding. . That doesnot make me his brother. . It makes me his child...so do u see how flawed the mormon brotherhood claim is.....its not very different from the word of faith movement who claim humans are gods..because of their warped understanding of verses which try to partner themselves with God the son..

U have no verse to show the brotherhood claim... if u do then answer my previous question..

U are created, satan is created... hence ur believe is that u share in brotherhood with satan... but u go a step further to claim a being that was not created but was with God before creation is a brother to a created being who is the father of lies....


How can ur brotherhood theory sound true when simple theology proves it to be heretical. ..


Read this again

1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.




1 John 4:1
beloved,believe not every spirit,but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets has gone into the world.


Many liars have gome into the world to deceive. .the brotherhood thoery is a lie....with very big consequences..

parisbookaddict:


U should not answer a question with a question.. its usually a diversionary technique. ..

We are all children of the creator.. hence i count myself as a child of God..Jesus being a part of God from our understanding. . That doesnot make me his brother. . It makes me his child...so do u see how flawed the mormon brotherhood claim is.....its not very different from the word of faith movement who claim humans are gods..because of their warped understanding of verses which try to partner themselves with God the son..

U have no verse to show the brotherhood claim... if u do then answer my previous question..

U are created, satan is created... hence ur believe is that u share in brotherhood with satan... but u go a step further to claim a being that was not created but was with God before creation is a brother to a created being who is the father of lies....


How can ur brotherhood theory sound true when simple theology proves it to be heretical. ..


Read this again

1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.




1 John 4:1
beloved,believe not every spirit,but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets has gone into the world.


Many liars have gome into the world to deceive. .the brotherhood thoery is a lie....with very big consequences..

same 1 John 2:22 specified the father and son (but one is like unto the other) and have I stated anywhere that i deny christ? it's a mere stance of confusion to you, i'm here to do the work of my father who sent me, mark 1 vs 1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

acts 8 vs 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God., he is the only begotten of the father father flesh and the 2nd member of the God head don't contradict ur self

BETATRON:
correct...
but in this case there are 3 Gods who needs each other or compliment each other..and also they have ranking like you said "jesus is God but not equal to the father"..hence they are lesser and higher Gods respectively.ryt?

if we begin to consider that it becomes a lay man theory there is no lesser God, buh jesus clear made us understand that greater is he that sent him!!