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Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by truthman2012(m): 10:15pm On Nov 22, 2015
Quran 2:256
LET THERE BE NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION.
The right direction is henceforth
distinct from error. And he who
rejecteth false deities and
believeth in Allah hath grasped a
firm handhold which will never
break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.

The same allahh again said:

Qur'an (2:193) - "AND FIGHT THEM until persecution is no more, AND RELIGION BE ONLY FOR ALLAH. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."

Which one are we to take now ?

True to allahh's latest command, read what Muhammad said:

Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'"

Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Is allahh to be taken seriously?

Is the quran credible?

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Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by BETATRON(m): 10:44pm On Nov 22, 2015
truthman2012:
Quran 2:256
LET THERE BE NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION.
The right direction is henceforth
distinct from error. And he who
rejecteth false deities and
believeth in Allah hath grasped a
firm handhold which will never
break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.

The same allahh again said:

Qur'an (2:193) - "AND FIGHT THEM until persecution is no more, AND RELIGION BE ONLY FOR ALLAH. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."

Which one are we to take now ?

True to allahh's latest command, read what Muhammad said:

Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'"

Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Is allahh to be taken seriously?

Is the quran credible?
I see you dubbed this from somewhere if you didn't how come you skipped surat 2vs190-fight in the way of God those who fight you,BUT DO NOT TRANGRESS.indeed Allah does not like the Trangressor

Here it is seen that they where permitted to fight to defend themselves,,so this in no way go against the verse which says "there is no complusion in religion"

For those who didn't rebel and attack muslims the koran said ""and call people to the way of your lord in a decorous manner""

So the verse you quoted above was for those who attack the muslims and not for those who refuse to accept islam
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by truthman2012(m): 11:00pm On Nov 22, 2015
BETATRON:
I see you dubbed this from somewhere if you didn't how come you skipped surat 2vs190-fight in the way of God those who fight you,BUT DO NOT TRANGRESS.indeed Allah does not like the Trangressor

Here it is seen that they where permitted to fight to defend themselves,,so this in no way go against the verse which says "there is no complusion in religion"

For does who didn't rebel and attach muslims the koran said ""and call people to the way of your lord in a decorous manner""

So the verse you quoted above was for those who attack the muslims and not for those who refuse to accept islam

No, your claim is untrue.

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

The reason given by allahh for commanding the muslims to terrorize the people there was joining companions with allahh and not for self defence

Bukhari (59:643) - "Testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck!"

How does that sound like self defence?

Then the apostle sent Khalid bin Walid… to the Banu al-Harith and ordered him to invite them to Islam three days before he attacked them. If they accepted then he was to accept it from them, and if they declined he was to fight them. So Khalid set out and came to them, and sent out riders in all directions inviting the people to Islam, saying, “If you accept Islam you will be safe.” So the men accepted Islam as they were invited. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 959)

Now tell me, how was that self-defence.

Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'"

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Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by BETATRON(m): 11:05pm On Nov 22, 2015
truthman2012:


No, your claim is untrue.

Bukhari (59:643) - "Testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck!"

How does that sound like self defence?

The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717)

These people were doing their job when Muhammad and his killer squad attacked them. How was that a defensive fight?

Then the apostle sent Khalid bin Walid… to the Banu al-Harith and ordered him to invite them to Islam three days before he attacked them. If they accepted then he was to accept it from them, and if they declined he was to fight them. So Khalid set out and came to them, and sent out riders in all directions inviting the people to Islam, saying, “If you accept Islam you will be safe.” So the men accepted Islam as they were invited. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 959)

Now tell me, how was that self-defence.

Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'"
if you want to disprove the koran use the koran,
Yes sahih bukhari is the work of one man and is open to criticism,,
but the koran "give it your best shot man"
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by truthman2012(m): 11:18pm On Nov 22, 2015
BETATRON:
if you want to disprove the koran use the koran,
Yes sahih bukhari is the work of one man and is open to criticism,,
but the koran "give it your best shot man"

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

The reason given by allahh for commanding the muslims to terrorize innocent people was ''joining companions with him and not muslims self defence.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Allahh's reason for commanding muslims to behead and cut innocent people's fingertips was because of their unbelief in him and not for self defence.

So all of those hadiths you are trying to deny were in compliance with the quranic injunctions.

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Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by Earthkumy(m): 11:19pm On Nov 22, 2015
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Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by BETATRON(m): 11:42pm On Nov 22, 2015
truthman2012:


Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

The reason given by allahh for commanding the muslims to terrorize innocent people was ''joining companions with him and not muslims self defence.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Allahh's reason for commanding muslims to behead and cut innocent people's fingertips was because of their unbelief in him and not for self defence.

So all of those hadiths you are trying to deny were in compliance with the quranic injunctions.
very good
Quran3vs151-WE(singular "we"wink shall cast terror into the hearts of the faithless because of their ascribing to Allah partner,for which He has not sent down any authority,and their refuge is the FIRE and Evil is the FINAL abode of the wrongdoers

The problem is you didn't complete the verse..if you did like I have done you will find there in that there is no sign of war in the verse. Rather the verse speaks of the hereafter.

How can you understand it when you only read part of it "how can you understand a sentence without completing it?"

Verse8:12--then the Lord signaled to the angels:I am indeed with you so steady(help) the faithful.I will cast terror into the hearts the faithless so strike their necks and strike each of their fingertips!
.....To 15--O you who have faith When you encounter the faithless ADVANCING(attacking) for battle do no turn back and flee from them that they(defend yourself)

Here the verse shows the statement of defence if you read it to verse15..verse12 was actually a command to the angels to help the faithful in battle because those who attacked them attacked in overwhelming numbers,,verse9 of the same surah clarifies it more

Advice to you---stop cherry picking verses from the koran without knowing what proceeding and succeeding verses has to say,,thar style is bound to fail

If you've got more verses that needs clarification kindly forward them
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by truthman2012(m): 9:41am On Nov 23, 2015
BETATRON:
very good
Quran3vs151-WE(singular "we"wink shall cast terror into the hearts of the faithless because of their ascribing to Allah partner,for which He has not sent down any authority,and their refuge is the FIRE and Evil is the FINAL abode of the wrongdoers

The problem is you didn't complete the verse..if you did like I have done you will find there in that there is no sign of war in the verse. Rather the verse speaks of the hereafter.

How can you understand it when you only read part of it "how can you understand a sentence without completing it?"

Verse8:12--then the Lord signaled to the angels:I am indeed with you so steady(help) the faithful.I will cast terror into the hearts the faithless so strike their necks and strike each of their fingertips!
.....To 15--O you who have faith When you encounter the faithless ADVANCING(attacking) for battle do no turn back and flee from them that they(defend yourself)

Here the verse shows the statement of defence if you read it to verse15..verse12 was actually a command to the angels to help the faithful in battle because those who attacked them attacked in overwhelming numbers,,verse9 of the same surah clarifies it more

Advice to you---stop cherry picking verses from the koran without knowing what proceeding and succeeding verses has to say,,thar style is bound to fail

If you've got more verses that needs clarification kindly forward them

There is noway you can twist a lie to become the truth. Let's examine the verses again:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

How can you say the command to behead and cut the innocent fingertips was to the angels? Was it angels who fought the wars or Muhammad and his killer squad? Give me an instance in the quran where angels behead anybody. Stop lying !!!

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."

You see for yourself that the command was to Muhammad and not angels. Don't feed people with lies anymore

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

It is clear from that verse that the REASON for allahh commanding Muhammad to terrorize the innocent was because they joined companions with him. Why are you lying it was for self defence? Don't you have conscience?

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

.....and religion should be only for allahh is a statement forcing people to accept islam. Why are you lying islamic terrorism is for self defence?

From the above analysis, it is evident that when people confronted Muhammad and his squad in war, it was because they were defending themselves. It was the people that were fighting in self defence when muslims were attacking them to force islam on them.

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Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by Annunaki(m): 10:41am On Nov 23, 2015
truthman2012:


There is noway you can twist a lie to become the truth. Let's examine the verses again:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

How can you say the command to behead and cut the innocent fingertips was to the angels? Was it angels who fought the wars or Muhammad and his killer squad? Give me an instance in the quran where angels behead anybody. Stop lying !!!

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."

You see for yourself that the command was to Muhammad and not angels. Don't feed people with lies anymore

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

It is clear from that verse that the REASON for allahh commanding Muhammad to terrorize the innocent was because they joined companions with him. Why are you lying it was for self defence? Don't you have conscience?

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

.....and religion should be only for allahh is a statement forcing people to accept islam. Why are you lying islamic terrorism is for self defence?

From the above analysis, it is evident that when people confronted Muhammad and his squad in war, it was because they were defending themselves. It was the people that were fighting in self defence when muslims were attacking them to force islam on them.

Thanx for this bro, if he doesn't tell lies and twist his own so called sacred scriptures, how will you know he is a 'good' muslim?

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Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by BETATRON(m): 10:50am On Nov 23, 2015
truthman2012:


There is noway you can twist a lie to become the truth. Let's examine the verses again:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

How can you say the command to behead and cut the innocent fingertips was to the angels? Was it angels who fought the wars or Muhammad and his killer squad? Give me an instance in the quran where angels behead anybody. Stop lying !!!

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."

You see for yourself that the command was to Muhammad and not angels. Don't feed people with lies anymore

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

It is clear from that verse that the REASON for allahh commanding Muhammad to terrorize the innocent was because they joined companions with him. Why are you lying it was for self defence? Don't you have conscience?

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

.....and religion should be only for allahh is a statement forcing people to accept islam. Why are you lying islamic terrorism is for self defence?

From the above analysis, it is evident that when people confronted Muhammad and his squad in war, it was because they were defending themselves. It was the people that were fighting in self defence when muslims were attacking them to force islam on them.
your problem is you don't even have a koran...you only tend to believe whatever you find in the internet
1-you didn't quote Quran3vs151 completely.pls check my previous reply and see the complete verse

2-you brought out quran8vs12 cause you feel it has traces of transgression in battle...on reading it from verse9 to 15 you will see that your claim is nullified..also check my previous reply for clarification

3-Quran66vs9- word strive is used (strive can be in the context of explaining yourself I.e making your self understood) and in this verse the faithless and the HYPOCRITES are mentioned
Hypocrites are people who pretend to have virtue and morals (most times not recognized)-
Verse10 of the same surah say---Allah draws an example for the faithless the wife of noah and the wife of Lot---this shows that the faithless(hypocritical ones) can be among you---please mind bringing another surah where the prophet was asked to kill the hypocrites in His own religion??

The verse9 goes further to state-their refuge will be hell----see? The prophet was asked to make it clear(strife) to them that the end product of hypocrisy and disbelieve is hell---not to chop of their head

4-b4 concluding on surah8vs39 please read surah 8vs34--here you will find that the nonbelievers were preventing the muslims from performing their pilgrimage in the Holy mosque--they even go as far to spend their wealth to prevent the muslim--8vs36..all this are fitna(trials,tribulations,prosecutions)--hence that is why quran8vs39 read---fight them until there is no trail,prosecution----it goes further to read----but if they RELIQUISH(give up their hedious act) Allah indeed sees best what they do

Now judge for your self---is there any sign of attack in this verse...for as is clearly seen this people were the oppressors in the muslim land
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by truthman2012(m): 11:34am On Nov 23, 2015
BETATRON:
your problem is you don't even have a koran...you only tend to believe whatever you find in the internet
1-you didn't quote Quran3vs151 completely.pls check my previous reply and see the complete verse

2-you brought out quran8vs12 cause you feel it has traces of transgression in battle...on reading it from verse9 to 15 you will see that your claim is nullified..also check my previous reply for clarification

3-Quran66vs9- word strive is used (strive can be in the context of explaining yourself I.e making your self understood) and in this verse the faithless and the HYPOCRITES are mentioned
Hypocrites are people who pretend to have virtue and morals (most times not recognized)-
Verse10 of the same surah say---Allah draws an example for the faithless the wife of noah and the wife of Lot---this shows that the faithless(hypocritical ones) can be among you---please mind bringing another surah where the prophet was asked to kill the hypocrites in His own religion??

The verse9 goes further to state-their refuge will be hell----see? The prophet was asked to make it clear(strife) to them that the end product of hypocrisy and disbelieve is hell---not to chop of their head

4-b4 concluding on surah8vs39 please read surah 8vs34--here you will find that the nonbelievers were preventing the muslims from performing their pilgrimage in the Holy mosque--they even go as far to spend their wealth to prevent the muslim--8vs36..all this are fitna(trials,tribulations,prosecutions)--hence that is why quran8vs39 read---fight them until there is no trail,prosecution----it goes further to read----but if they RELIQUISH(give up their hedious act) Allah indeed sees best what they do

Now judge for your self---is there any sign of attack in this verse...for as is clearly seen this people were the oppressors in the muslim land

Your twisting doesn't hold water, objective readers must have discovered you are lying.

The other time you said the command to behead innocent people was given to angels and I asked you to provide an instance of where angels beheaded anybody in the quran or even hadith, am still waiting.

For your further readings:

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not

Not only does that verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Command to fight even neighbours, how does this sound like self defence to you?

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Self defence? So allahh will bestow a vast reward to them for defending themselves?

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."

The muslims who fought to attain the comfort of Hereafter is self defence to you. Self-deceit.

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

So allahh will reward muslims in aljannah for defending themselves? Stop deceiving yourself.

Do you want more?

Now, look at allahh who once said there is no compulsion in religion, lying.

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Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by BETATRON(m): 11:42am On Nov 23, 2015
truthman2012:


Your twisting doesn't hold water, objective readers must have discovered you are lying.

For your further readings:

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not

Not only does that verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Command to fight even neighbours, how does this sound like self defence to you?

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Self defence? So allahh will bestow a vast reward to them for defending themselves?

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."

The muslims who fought to attain the comfort of Hereafter is self defence to you. Self-deceit.

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

So allahh will reward muslims in aljannah for defending themselves? Stop deceiving yourself.

Do you want more?
most of the verses you stated were issued to those who refused to go for battle to prevent the muslim land from siege the problem with you is you bring one verse get defeated bring another get defeated and still bring others,have you no shame?
At least prove that one of the verses you quoted said clearly that the muslims should attack the unbelievers in their own land,kill their children,rape their women,,burn down their houses as is stated explicitly in the bible
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by Nobody: 11:46am On Nov 23, 2015
Bullies.
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by truthman2012(m): 12:13pm On Nov 23, 2015
BETATRON:
most of the verses you stated were issued to those who refused to go for battle to prevent the muslim land from siege the problem with you is you bring one verse get defeated bring another get defeated and still bring others,have you no shame?
At least prove that one of the verses you quoted said clearly that the muslims should attack the unbelievers in their own land,kill their children,rape their women,,burn down their houses as is stated explicitly in the bible

The bible never commanded anyone to fight for religion, the fights there were enemy kingdom against another enemy kingdom. Besides, am taking on allahh based on his words that there should be no COMPULSION in religion and was later commanding muslim to force islam on people. What a deception.

I quoted to you many quranic verses stating muslims should fight people to ensure islam becomes the only religion, yet you said the fight is for self defence. How do you reason?

You said it was the angels that allahh commanded to behead people, being a lie you told, you could not cite any occassion of anyone beheaded by angels. Have no shame?

Now, you asked for a verse that expressly states muslims should attack unbelievers as if those wars fought by Muhammad were against muslims.

Add this to the list:

[Quran 9:29] Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

The people who have been given the Scripture were the Jews and Christians. This was a direct first attack on them for not believing in Muhammad's allahh. But to you it was self defence. If you choose to deceive yourself, those who do not want to spend their eternal lives in hell would not follow your lies.

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Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by truthman2012(m): 5:35pm On Nov 23, 2015
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Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by Nobody: 6:22pm On Nov 23, 2015
There will never be any justification for beheading people, stoning people, cutting off arms...
You all should grow beyond this level of defending your faith blindly.
Any religion that encourages terror is Inhumane

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Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by Day11(m): 10:20pm On Nov 23, 2015
See what religion have turn us to?

We killing each other.

I'm a Muslim and I hate d xtian

I'm a Xtian and Muslim are terrorist.

Now both of you should think, forge the holy book for once and ask yourself, How would u see each other without any religion?

Or do you think God created religion? What is religion itself. Is it a WAR? Because some people are ready to behead a fellow human because of it. 2 holy books,WHY? did God almighty wants divided in his creations? Who named it Quran,.Who named it Bible?

I can see NO end in religion violence. I will advise both of you to continue. You are not the first and can't be d last. God is LOVE. God doesn't create you as a Muslim Or Christian. He made you like himself. LOVE is GOD.

May God forgive us all

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Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by mamsong9(m): 12:19am On Nov 24, 2015
truthman2012:
Quran 2:256
LET THERE BE NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION.
The right direction is henceforth
distinct from error. And he who
rejecteth false deities and
believeth in Allah hath grasped a
firm handhold which will never
break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.

The same allahh again said:

Qur'an (2:193) - "AND FIGHT THEM until persecution is no more, AND RELIGION BE ONLY FOR ALLAH. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."

Which one are we to take now ?

True to allahh's latest command, read what Muhammad said:

Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'"

Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Is allahh to be taken seriously?

Is the quran credible?

We know people like you, your are nothing but hypocrites. And you think that you can spread your fake religion through demonizing Islam.
when you quote those verses and Hadith, you know deep down in your heart that you were quoting out of context.

But I don't blame, because if you don't do that, you can never answer the name Christian.

Do you also know that your peaceful Jesus also said that "Bring my enemies to me who said I shall not rule over them, and SLAUTHER THEM IN FRONT OF ME "

I won't tell you the verse, because I want you to research it yourself, for I know that you would discover many terrible things in the bible.
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by italo: 8:48am On Nov 24, 2015
mamsong9:


We know people like you, your are nothing but hypocrites. And you think that you can spread your fake religion through demonizing Islam.
when you quote those verses and Hadith, you know deep down in your heart that you were quoting out of context.

But I don't blame, because if you don't do that, you can never answer the name Christian.

Do you also know that your peaceful Jesus also said that "Bring my enemies to me who said I shall not rule over them, and SLAUTHER THEM IN FRONT OF ME "

I won't tell you the verse, because I want you to research it yourself, for I know that you would discover many terrible things in the bible.

Where did Jesus say so?
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by mamsong9(m): 9:17am On Nov 24, 2015
italo:


Where did Jesus say so?

Your problem is that you Christians don't read your bible.
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by Nobody: 9:22am On Nov 24, 2015
mamsong9:


Your problem is that you Christians don't read your bible.

Story!

We read every book. History, Quran, bible, current affairs. Guinness book of records, anyone we day read am

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Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by Annunaki(m): 9:42am On Nov 24, 2015
mamsong9:


Your problem is that you Christians don't read your bible.


You are just a vile pathological liar like mohammed, that statement you are attributing to Jesus about slaughtering his enemies was said in a parable and you know it. Why are you coming to nairaland to display how chronically foolish you are Telling lies like this to bring Jesus down to the level of mohamed is concrete proof that you are ashamed of the history of your evil prophet and the wise thing to do if you are ashamed of him(sbuh) is to renounce the useless religion he invented to keep people in bondage rather than trying to justify what you are ashamed of.
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by italo: 9:45am On Nov 24, 2015
mamsong9:


Your problem is that you Christians don't read your bible.

Your problem is that you lie about everything as Muhammad told you to.
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by italo: 9:48am On Nov 24, 2015
Annunaki:



You are just a vile pathological liar like mohammed, that statement you are attributing to Jesus about slaughtering his enemies was said in a parable and you know it. Why are you coming to nairaland to display how chronically foolish you are Telling lies like this to bring Jesus down to the level of mohamed is concrete proof that you are ashamed of the history of your evil prophet and the wise thing to do if you are ashamed of him(sbuh) is to renounce the useless religion he invented to keep people in bondage rather than trying to justify what you are ashamed of.

Let's not forget that Muhammad was a deranged rapist too who Married a 6year old and had sex with her when she was 9 and he was about 55.
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by abdulreal(m): 10:03am On Nov 24, 2015
gimakon:

Story!
We read every book. History, Quran, bible, current affairs. Guinness book of records, anyone we day read am


You read every book yet you have not come across this in the bible

Ezekiel 9:5-7

5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite : let not your eye spare , neither have ye pity :
6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth . And they went forth , and slew in the city.
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by truthman2012(m): 10:08am On Nov 24, 2015
mamsong9:


Your problem is that you Christians don't read your bible.

We do.

John 14:27
Peace I (Jesus) leave with you; My
peace I give to you; not as the
world gives do I give to you. Do
not let your heart be troubled, nor
let it be fearful.

Muhammad left war and crisis for muslims:

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by BETATRON(m): 10:10am On Nov 24, 2015
gimakon:


Story!

We read every book. History, Quran, bible, current affairs. Guinness book of records, anyone we day read am
there is a difference between reading and understanding..you even unable by virtue of your God given brain to understand your holy book expecting a mythical holy spirit to come lecture you on it
It you cannot apply your brain in understanding your bible though you read it..how can you understand the koran

Simply put you're not used to pondering,critical assessment and reasoning

You should start by assessing your bible carefully,the the koran afterward come give your testimonies
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by abdulreal(m): 10:27am On Nov 24, 2015
You read every book yet you have not come across this in the bible
Ezekiel 9:5-7
5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite : let not your eye spare , neither have ye pity :
6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth . And they went forth , and slew in the city.
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Non of you Christians can debunk the above post.
you Know not your Bible you only follow blindly.

Die not, except you are a Muslim
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by Nobody: 10:31am On Nov 24, 2015
abdulreal:



You read every book yet you have not come across this in the bible

Ezekiel 9:5-7

5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite : let not your eye spare , neither have ye pity :
6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth . And they went forth , and slew in the city.

Very good bra! 1 question I have to ask you. It is said that old testament isn't used in churches now, they are stories that we follow to compare the then religious beliefs and now.

Now here is my question. Is Ezekiel in the old or new testament? If it's in the old testament kindly don't bother yourself typing further.

Stop deceiving your self and read here

https://carm.org/why-do-christians-not-obey-old-testaments-commands-to-kill-homosexuals

We have done away with those stupìd laws!
What you type here is not only stupíd, but doesn't make sense. I have told you, if you want to confirm, toast a christian and follow her to church, we won't kill you, we will welcome you into peace and love and christendom as a whole.
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by Nobody: 10:38am On Nov 24, 2015
BETATRON:
there is a difference between reading and understanding..you even unable by virtue of your God given brain to understand your holy book expecting a mythical holy spirit to come lecture you on it
It you cannot apply your brain in understanding your bible though you read it..how can you understand the koran

Simply put you're not used to pondering,critical assessment and reasoning

You should start by assessing your bible carefully,the the koran afterward come give your testimonies

grin

I like you. I have the bible, the Quran, the Judaism bible on ma mobile. I have them in .jar files.

When m bored, I take out one to read. I'm no discriminator of religion. I value everybody.

Salem.
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by abdulreal(m): 10:47am On Nov 24, 2015
gimakon:

Very good bra! 1 question I have to ask you. It is said that old testament isn't used in churches now, they are stories that we follow to compare the then religious beliefs and now.
Now here is my question. Is Ezekiel in the old or new testament? If it's in the old testament kindly don't bother yourself typing further.
Stop deceiving your self and read here
https://carm.org/why-do-christians-not-obey-old-testaments-commands-to-kill-homosexuals
We have done away with those stupìd laws!
What you type here is not only stupíd, but doesn't make sense. I have told you, if you want to confirm, toast a christian and follow her to church, we won't kill you, we will welcome you into peace and love and christendom as a whole.

So your god make stupid laws, your god make mistake, what a god to follow.

you were saying its a lie initially, now it is a stupid law.

can you also confirm that all old testament law should not be followed and they are stupid law from you god?
Re: Muslims, Is It True There Is No Compulsion In Religion? by BETATRON(m): 11:00am On Nov 24, 2015
gimakon:


grin

I like you. I have the bible, the Quran, the Judaism bible on ma mobile. I have them in .jar files.

When m bored, I take out one to read. I'm no discriminator of religion. I value everybody.

Salem.
it isn't salem its salam

The bible (for a christian) isn't a book you should read when BORED..it is a book to determine how you live your life

Never said you're a discriminator

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