https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3K0lA2WjE4

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK9_3QmYVNY

africaken:
uganda people defence forces was and is still in CAR hunting Kony,seleka has tried to engage UPDF but they have being met with severe resistance

MikeCZAR:
Your point?

The UPDF never engaged the Seleka force reinforced by units commanded by the brother of a certain president. Which took Bangui or should I say.

The reason UPDF is there is a strategic one.

KAMPALA, Uganda—Ugandan troops hunting for fighters loyal to Joseph Kony in the jungles of Central African Republic on Tuesday clashed with Seleka rebels for a third consecutive day, in the latest distraction to U.S.-backed efforts to apprehend the fugitive warlord.

africaken:


Ugandan Troops Clash With seleka Rebels in Central African Republic

read more http://blogs.wsj.com/frontiers/2014/07/01/ugandan-troops-clash-with-rebels-in-central-african-republic/

MikeCZAR:
And when was this?

The Seleka which took Bangui was mauled and their supporters withdrawn.

Anti-Balaka harrased them.

africaken:
your cankerous,delinquent and opinionated attitude matters little to us

africaken:
anti- balaka were just like a fly to seleka armed with machete,amulets and a few guns ,the french involvement is what curtailed their involvement in CAR

patches689:


No, i do not have an "attitude" what I have is facts.

You have the "attitude", i dont quite know the whats or whys of it all... but somehow the SANDF has made you deeply butthurt

Now, if you wish to post provocational material on this forum, then I too can post it.

And guess what... i will win that little game because the we dont get our bases over-run and we shure as hell make sure that we dont leave our dead on the battlefield.

And fyi, its not "us" its "i"- you arent the forums spoksman.

MikeCZAR:
Was there heavy fighting after March?

africaken:
how many times have i seen posting even the overan on burundia camp in this forum,without anyone raising an issue.if you want to post grotesque pictures of dead soldiers,its your own prerogative.gentlemen post weapons and equipment capture by a foe. SANDF isn't holy than thou if it messes up we will comment about it and no matter the fairy tale you tell us we will critique

patches689:


I am still uncertain as to what you think this is proving?

If you want i could post a picture of rows of dead kenyan soldiers surrounded by El-goatkebab

Or maybe a Nigerian army t55 capture by bh

Or a video of a ugandan base being over-run by islamists

patches689:


No, i do not have an "attitude" what I have is facts.

You have the "attitude", i dont quite know the whats or whys of it all... but somehow the SANDF has made you deeply butthurt

Now, if you wish to post provocational material on this forum, then I too can post it.

And guess what... i will win that little game because the we dont get our bases over-run and we shure as hell make sure that we dont leave our dead on the battlefield.

And fyi, its not "us" its "i"- you arent the forums spoksman.

Iblawi1:



Are you crying? Or do you feel like crying?

We warned you before not to trow stones cos you leave in a glass house.

Africaken made you you speechless to the extent that you can even defend yourself. He expose all your lies and am sure you now know how your cameramen soldiers performed in CAR, Burundi, Congo and Sudan. You are in no way special.

Patchesagain:


The problem here is that you are "critical" of an action by the SANDF - despite us providing you a plethora of information on the topic that states otherwise.

You lack any real material with which to critique the SANDF so you have gone about "critiquing" in a pathetically passive-aggressive manner by posting captured equipment.

So, let me give you some reading material:

1. Scope of military support to the CAR
http://www.dfa.gov.za/docs/2011pq/pq78.html

2. Rebel account of the battle, gathered by Journalists inside Bangui
http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/03/sa-soldiers-carved-us-up-say-rebels

3. Brief summery by respected military researcher and Janes corrisponded
http://www.iol.co.za/sundayindependent/how-deadly-car-battle-unfolded-1.1493841#.UWrq40rhdiJ

Notice that the salient facts of #2 and #3 are the same - the Rebels suffered heavy casualties, their attack on the captial was halted etc.

Now, was the way that we handled the aftermath of the battle right? No it was not, but that was a political issue, South Africa has to be very careful about our behavior on the inter-state level due to the bad reputation we built during Apartheid and again with Lesotho in the 1990's so we cant just go a smash the sh1t out of whoever we want whenever we want... we have to ask permission now :-(

But still, the SANDF was prepared to go back in:

- Gripen, Rooivalk, Oryx and approx a battalions worth men were forward deployed to our defacto FOB in Uganda in anticipation of going back into CAR
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30633:rooivalks-gripens-and-troops-were-sent-to-the-car&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

- Some commentators found this deployment of re-enforcements to be unconstitutional
http://mg.co.za/article/2013-04-08-zuma-constitution-car-deployment-sandf

- Zuma flew to meet with the Chadians and other major players about CAR, with Gripen and Rooivalk in place even after troops had withdrawn from CAR
http://mg.co.za/article/2013-04-03-why-exactly-is-zuma-attending-chad-summit-on-car

There you go, a whole span of resources. Read them yourself and come up with your own conclusions

africaken:


bias report told by south africans and even those so called expert are just that expert who know hearsay,from the accounts of seleka they say they killed more than 30 south africans, now who should we believe ! seleka gave you 72 hours to leave CAR or they were going to react and thats what they did

patches689:


1. Seleka confirms their casualty figures

2. Seleka gave no such deadline... and even if they did, we delayed our departure by 13 hours and our plane tickets cost them 400 men


I seriously dont understand why you take such issue with this... i have provided you with the testimony of both seleka and a Janes corrispondent and still you have a problem with it.

You need to get your head out of your arse

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ_y1NVN2Is

africaken:
you get F#@$ up and then you start saying how you won the fight when you are in south africa. while your kits,vehicles and weapons are CAR,from the following news report do you see seleka giving damn what happened in the previous days !

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ_y1NVN2Is

patches689:



- 13 men dead is "fvcked up"? What then is 400 dead?

- tiny amounts of equipment were captured by the rebels, over 15 Geckos were deployed, only 3 captured with only 2 of those being operational. No heavy weapons were captured nor was our base over-run.

I have presented you with a multitude of information and your only response is "its biased"... with providing any counter evidence.

I am beginning to think you are arguing from a position of bias, probably stemming from some offence you felt earlier in this thread.


I am still waiting for you to substantiate some other cliams you have made - such as the 72 hour dealine

Bozizé called on Zuma, apparently to seek direction on how to tackle the rebels that were about to take the capital, Bangui. Bozizé told Zuma that the rebels had given him a 72-hour ultimatum to vacate the presidential palace.

africaken:


http://mg.co.za/article/2013-03-28-00-car-timely-warnings-were-ignored

patches689:


Crying?

No

Irritated?

Yes.

How did he expose my lies? 2 captured soft skinned vehicles? Unknown mem wearing peices of equipment that comes from a multidude of sources?

Our performance in CAR is something that few militarys in the world can perform

-200 men stopped over 3000 for 13 hours
- inflcited over 400 casualties for the loss of 13 men
- forced seleka to offer a cease-fire
- Seleka say that they thought they were fighting 800 men


Special? No we arent - by international standards. But by African standards we are giants... allways have been allways will be. Deal with it.

patches689:


Ok, so that is not at all what you said now is it?

Notice how the deadline has nothing at all to do with the SANDF?

Ok then

Moving along

africaken:
so you want to tell us bozize was told to leave within 72 but SANDF can take all the time they want

africaken:


bias report told by south africans and even those so called expert are just that expert who know hearsay,from the accounts of seleka they say they killed more than 30 south africans, now who should we believe ! seleka gave you 72 hours to leave CAR or they were going to react and thats what they did

jln115:

Biased?? Do you read our news?? Our News outlets never have a good thing to say about the SANDF, except for Defenceweb that also now and then reports on the good things...When we won the 2014 CIOR MILComp, it was ONLY Defenceweb that reported on it.....When Germany mistakenly fired on a fishing boat during Ex Good hope ALL our news outlets reported that it was a SAN ship that fired at the boat.

Also, there is no possible way that the Government can hide the deaths of soldiers in SA, so you can rest assured that we lost only 13 in Bangui.

you can also rest assured that the reports from South Africa are most definitely as unbiased as they come!!

SA soldiers in CAR retreat to barracks, want out

Bangui - South African soldiers in the Central African Republic are seeking safe passage to the airport after taking heavy losses during fighting with Seleka rebels, Reuters reports.

The agency said at least nine SA soldiers were killed.

"I saw the bodies of six South African soldiers. They had all been shot," a Reuters witness said. Later, he saw three more bodies in burned-out South African military vehicles.

africaken:
is this biased !



http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/SA-soldiers-in-CAR-retreat-to-barracks-want-out-20130324