grace to you brethren who are following this thread. I write and pray that the lord will strengthen Sis Analice and us with power through his Spirit in your inner being. Amen
Sis Analice this Bible Passage below is for you and others so that the devil will not take your love for God away although he can't. Keep being positive and always boast of your love for him for even if you boast your boast is not of works but of faith for it is written "We are saved by grace through faith.
Romans 10-39.
10NIV:But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.
11NIV:And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.
12NIV:Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it.
13NIV:For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
14NIV:For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.i
15NIV:The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.”
16NIV:The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
17NIV:Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
18NIV:I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.
19NIV:For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed.
20NIV:For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope.
21NIV:that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
22NIV:We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
23NIV:Not only so, but we ourselves, not have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.
24NIV:For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have?
25NIV:But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
26NIV:In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.
27NIV:And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
28NIV:And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
29NIV:For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
30NIV:And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
31NIV:What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
32NIV:He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he t also, along with him, graciously give us all things?
33NIV:Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.
34NIV:Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.
35NIV:Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or unclothedness or danger or sword?
36NIV:As it is written: “For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
37NIV:No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.
38NIV:For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,
39NIV:neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord

zeongeon:
This is a very wonderful thread, spirit lifting, faith bursting and lots to learn. Everyone and the people yet to make contributions and participate may God continue to strengthen you all.

Brother charles just said something important when he said God can talk to us through any body regardless of who the person is and that we should pay attention to the message regardless of who or what the person is.

The atheist man talks on backsliding and I think we should take him seriously for regardless of your spiritual standing or how much we think we know God one can still fall. We should see his talk on backsliding as one not to create fear but as one to remind us that we are humans, imperfect, sinful and will constantly depend on the grace and mercy of God for us to carry on in our Christian race and by his grace we will finish strong.

Your knowledge of the word or God isn't what is keeping you from backsliding but his grace and mercy available to us as his children which we continue to rely on.

As for astra projection really you don't have to belong to any religious group to experience it or learn it BUT you belonging to a group, religion, art or practice facilitates your ability to astra project.

Astra projection begins with intense meditation and also imagination as brother charles stated for there is power in the imagination of man. Then you trying to connect with you spirit man so as to transcend this realm. Strong astra projectors can project themselves into peoples dreams.

Astra projection leaves your body empty which gives entities or say demons an opportunity to get into your body when your spirit has gone on an astra journey. Astra projections could tell on your physical body as one starts to age fast.

As for UFOs those beings are entities which could likely be demons that have the key to certain knowledge and technological advancement. They are known at times to teach men certain things as it relates to science, religion etc.. When it comes to science we humans haven't gotten to the level of heavenly entities such as angels and UFOs that's why its possible to have inspiration for scientific break through either from God or from the devil through UFOs.

Finally, astra projection is closely tied with the occult, witch craft and eastern mystical religions, arts and practices. Astra projection is another way Satan seeks to have a dangerous relationship with man so as to instill the believe and sense of pride that you are a god onto yourself and onto others.

Christians shouldnt be caught trying out or practicing to astra project. Though Christians astra project but its only on direction from God.

UFOs are not only in Europe or western world. They do not need to approach you with a flying saucer at times when we dabble with the occult or mysticism we actually invite a UFO.

Thank you sir. You answered many questions here. Again, thanks.

vooks:
I believe in tact and balance. The book of Hebrews severally warns against backsliding but at the same time encourages the immediate subjects as being well founded meaning they are not about to fall. Check;

Hebrews 10:35-39 (KJV)
Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. 36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. 37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. 38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

So while the risk of falling away is real, one's life should not be dominated by fear of falling so much that they are afraid of confessing their confidence in the Lord.

Sometimes back I took a trip with some brethren and on our way back I was throwing some names and asking them if they still remember them. These are ministers of renown who have somewhat faded but are still in ministry. We were discussing why some stars simply fade with passage of time as if their best days are behind them. I certainly don't believe God can light up a fire and then pour water on it. My opinion of these men and women of Faith is they somewhat compromised and like Samson they woke up one day only to realize their strength had left them.

There is another risk almost as devastating as backsliding; compromising or growing lukewarm. I believe this is more common than outright backsliding. So we easily focus on backsliding but ignore our own lukewarmness. This risk is real in my life. I have experienced it. If you keep on reminiscing the good old days when you were fiery or more fiery for God, you need to wake up.

My dearest, you nailed it. What am guiding against is lukewarmness and Compromise. Yes backsliding starts with lukewarmness, then compromise.
Pls, am not saying am above comprise. All of these started with me asking for Grace to love God more.

Fear is a weapon in the hands of the devil to keep us in bondage. @ sis Analice, fear not you won't fall as long as you remain in the hands of the Potter, dis is wat d scripture said

While I was with them, I kept them safe by the power of your name—the name you gave me. I protected them. And only one of them was lost—the one who was sure to be lost. This was to show the truth of what the Scriptures said would happen.
John 17:12 ERV
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Jude 1:24-25 KJV

Blackfire:


... Your pride will get u, a big fall.

the spirit speaking here isn't the spirit of God its not hard to discern.

oyeludef:
the spirit speaking here isn't the spirit of God its not hard to discern.

God bless you sir

Unless anyone can show me atleast 2 places in the Bible were God used unbelievers/pagans to speak to His children, it is impossible Blackfire is speaking the heart of God to Sister Analice, to suggest otherwise amounts to blasphemy and such a Christian needs to seek His forgiveness.

Amos 3:7
Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.

Deut 29:29
The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.

Paul understood this quite well, you remember Paul and Silas account

Acts 16
Following after Paul and us, she kept crying out, saying, "These men are bond-servants of the Most High God, who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation.

She continued doing this for many days. But Paul was greatly annoyed, and turned and said to the spirit, "I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her!" And it came out at that very moment

I think brethren should stop watching too much of nollywood films, I am emphasizing this issue because evil and demonically inspired counsel has led many children of God to error. [size=13pt]God can never use a non-believer to give you spiritual counsel[/size]

Your non-believing teacher can counsel you in maths, your non-believing doctor can counsel you on your health.....God will never never use them to pass you message bordering on your spiritual walk with Him.

I say no further on this

superior1:


God bless you sir

amen bro. Dis is d reason people fall into the hands of false prophets. When we make the word of God the full authority in our lives we won't stumble

Blackfire:


... Your pride will get u, a big fall.

Bros nah. He can not be proud and at the same time needing the help of the Holy Spirit. Or is there another definition of pride?

CharlyG1:
@analice107..

I feel strongly in my heart that God is speaking to you through Blackfire. Even though he may not know it.
God can speak through anybody. Through a child, a friend, herbalist sef.. Anybody! God can speak through anyone if He wants to.

Do not fight the message. Take it with full confidence knowing that God wants you to remove all confidence you have in yourself and place all that confidence in Him.


You have to be sensitive to know when God is the one talking. Do not look at the person doing the talking, look at the message of correction and the spirit behind it.

Remember Peter had this strong confidence and love in Jesus and promised he would never deny Him.. But he denied Jesus 3 times.
No one is above mistakes. God's grace abounds in our lives to make us continue this race in Him.


So take this message..It's a message of correction. God bless you Dear. God loves you.

OK, brother Charles. I drop my confidence in God.
But I thought I said I love God, and asked for Grace to love Him more even in the face of death. If I have placed my confidence in myself, then am mistaken. I feel so inadequate for God to have even thought of me, not to talk of trusting me with a task.

Michaelangelo100:
I believe what you said sister Analice about standing your ground and praying by and for oneself for it is written "Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

My dear, it is that confidence in God that am being reprimanded for now.
Maybe the spiritual independence I have is what is making me sound like am over confident. But I have not dependent on myself. Christ has always shown me that if I call Him, He will answer, it is that confidence I have now and, am talking the way I talk.
Am sorry if I sounded in a way that put someone off.

Michaelangelo100:
grace to you brethren who are following this thread. I write and pray that the lord will strengthen Sis Analice and us with power through his Spirit in your inner being. Amen
Sis Analice this Bible Passage below is for you and others so that the devil will not take your love for God away although he can't. Keep being positive and always boast of your love for him for even if you boast your boast is not of works but of faith for it is written "We are saved by grace through faith.
Romans 10-39.
10NIV:But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.
11NIV:And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.
12NIV:Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it.
13NIV:For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
14NIV:For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.i
15NIV:The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.”
16NIV:The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
17NIV:Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
18NIV:I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.
19NIV:For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed.
20NIV:For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope.
21NIV:that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
22NIV:We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
23NIV:Not only so, but we ourselves, not have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.
24NIV:For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have?
25NIV:But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
26NIV:In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.
27NIV:And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
28NIV:And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
29NIV:For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
30NIV:And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
31NIV:What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
32NIV:He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he t also, along with him, graciously give us all things?
33NIV:Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.
34NIV:Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.
35NIV:Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or unclothedness or danger or sword?
36NIV:As it is written: “For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
37NIV:No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.
38NIV:For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,
39NIV:neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord

Thank you sir. Atleast one person sees things the way I see things. None of anything is about me. None. I only asked for Grace to love God more, and stand firm no matter what. And sir Blackfire rebuked me. What should I have asked for?

oyeludef:
Fear is a weapon in the hands of the devil to keep us in bondage. @ sis Analice, fear not you won't fall as long as you remain in the hands of the Potter, dis is wat d scripture said

While I was with them, I kept them safe by the power of your name—the name you gave me. I protected them. And only one of them was lost—the one who was sure to be lost. This was to show the truth of what the Scriptures said would happen.
John 17:12 ERV
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Jude 1:24-25 KJV

Thank you sir. I was beginning to think that I was being proud in my confidence in Christ. If I am, I repent oo. Abeg it's none of me.

analice107:

Thank you sir. I was beginning to think that I was being proud in my confidence in Christ. If I am, I repent oo. Abeg it's none of me.

It is you who knows what you believed so other peoples opinion is irrelevant. Why do you think d book of heb6 gives qualification of those who will not be redeemed after falling? It is because falling is a choice. You won't fall dear because He will keep you from falling. Submit to the Holy Spirit to make you more like Jesus Christ and you will see greater things that will make your confidence stronger. If i may ask, what does d devil even have to offer? All things are yours dear

oyeludef:

It is you who knows what you believed so other peoples opinion is irrelevant. Why do you think d book of heb6 gives qualification of those who will not be redeemed after falling? It is because falling is a choice. You won't fall dear because He will keep you from falling. Submit to the Holy Spirit to make you more like Jesus Christ and you will see greater things that will make your confidence stronger. If i may ask, what does d devil even have to offer? All things are yours dear

Thank you very much sir.
The devil has absolutely nothing to offer my brother.
His strength is made perfect in my weakness.

What does it mean if u see yourself standing on the moon and looking at the earth?

Blackfire:

..... With this kind of fixed mentality , u will fall so yakata the it will make peoples ear tingle. .
Where is annunaki, parisbookaddict, am i right or wrong?

*switch back to my atheist mood*

That says it all, its because you have no root, thats why its hard for you to believed

Bro CharlyG1 I believe, we should be careful not to be over-confidence of not falling, we are not superhuman, I actually wanted to be on defense but I dont know what retained me now.... Thanks for your guidance

analice107 forget the manner and approach of Blackfire, remember Balaam Ass, the animal talk some sense Num 22v22-30
the man may even be talking off-point, even at darkest hour of the night, there is little illumination of light

dazzle101:

#silence is golden

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GoodMuyis:


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Yes looool

GoodMuyis:
Bro CharlyG1 I believe, we should be careful not to be over-confidence of not falling, we are not superhuman, I actually wanted to be on defense but I dont know what retained me now.... Thanks for your guidance

analice107 forget the manner and approach of Blackfire, remember Balaam Ass, the animal talk some sense Num 22v22-30
the man may even be talking off-point, even at darkest hour of the night, there is little illumination of light

Balaam wasn't a child of God Analice isn't Balaam. It was a common practice in those times that before a country goes into war with another, they will place a curse over dat country as we could also see ib d case of Goliath cursing Israel in d name of his gods. balaam was into witchcraft which involves placing a spell or curse on others dat was why d king of moab employed his expertise to release potent atomic-nuclear curse on d israelite (but guess wat, instead of curses, blessings came forth) balaam even said "there is no enchantment against Jacob neither divination against Israel". Enchantment and divination are only used by d children of darkness ro cast a dark shadom on others. brother superior1 asked a good question. He said you should search throughout the scripture and say where God used an unbeliever to send a message to His Children. God spoke to His children in the old testament by only those who were prophets or occupied the office of a prophet e.g Moses and the judges.if there was non to send, He sent His angels. Go through the scripture and see how many times this phrase or similar was used "that it might be fulfilled that which was spoken by the prophet".
Dis is wat Hebrew 1:1 says. God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Hebrews 1:1-2.
I also make bold to join sis Analice to say I wont fall as he that keeps me neither slumbers nor sleep He watches me so why should I fall. The Holy Spirit keeps me several steps ahead of satans gimmicks and so I won't fall. It is not pride in my ability but confidence in my saviour.

May God reward all the wonderful brothers and sisters for great work you are doing on this thread.
Pls i had a dream three nights ago. In that dream i receieved a phone call and the person asked ‘am i speaking with Nkechi?‘ i answerd yes, he said are you from okuzu(a town in anambra state)? I said no, he asked me this several times i said i am not from okuzu. He then said i was among those that will win N2million.

Another scene
I came into the house and met my husband complaining bitterly about something, i came closer to him & touhed his body, his temperaure was very high, so i asked him to lie down but he was still complaining. He then told me that he carried his mother‘s wrapper to cover himself and his elder bro(step) asked him to go and drop it and warned him never to go near that wardrobe again. So a sister that was there with me said let her go and see if she ca gte the wrapper but she came backe and sdid he didnt allow her.
Meanwhile he(elder bro) was there in thesame room with us and drinking something from a cup.
So i got angry & stood up and said ‘i am not afraid of any human being under the face of this earth,‘ and i pointed at him(elder bro) and finished with in Jesus Mighty name of Jesus!(i dont knw how i got that bolbness). I told the sister to come and show me the wardrobe, we got there and i saw that he(elder bbro) used my mother inlaw‘s 3 wrappers to wrap his, his wife‘s and their daughter‘s enlargement pictuers and kept them inside the wardrobe so i woke up & prayed very well using isaiah49vs24-26.
What i dont understand is why he will use my mum inlaw‘s wrappers to cover his pictures. I dnt understand this pls can someone help me here.
Thank you

zeongeon:
This is a very wonderful thread, spirit lifting, faith bursting and lots to learn. Everyone and the people yet to make contributions and participate may God continue to strengthen you all.

Brother charles just said something important when he said God can talk to us through any body regardless of who the person is and that we should pay attention to the message regardless of who or what the person is.

The atheist man talks on backsliding and I think we should take him seriously for regardless of your spiritual standing or how much we think we know God one can still fall. We should see his talk on backsliding as one not to create fear but as one to remind us that we are humans, imperfect, sinful and will constantly depend on the grace and mercy of God for us to carry on in our Christian race and by his grace we will finish strong.

Your knowledge of the word or God isn't what is keeping you from backsliding but his grace and mercy available to us as his children which we continue to rely on.

As for astra projection really you don't have to belong to any religious group to experience it or learn it BUT you belonging to a group, religion, art or practice facilitates your ability to astra project.

Astra projection begins with intense meditation and also imagination as brother charles stated for there is power in the imagination of man. Then you trying to connect with you spirit man so as to transcend this realm. Strong astra projectors can project themselves into peoples dreams.

Astra projection leaves your body empty which gives entities or say demons an opportunity to get into your body when your spirit has gone on an astra journey. Astra projections could tell on your physical body as one starts to age fast.

As for UFOs those beings are entities which could likely be demons that have the key to certain knowledge and technological advancement. They are known at times to teach men certain things as it relates to science, religion etc.. When it comes to science we humans haven't gotten to the level of heavenly entities such as angels and UFOs that's why its possible to have inspiration for scientific break through either from God or from the devil through UFOs.

Finally, astra projection is closely tied with the occult, witch craft and eastern mystical religions, arts and practices. Astra projection is another way Satan seeks to have a dangerous relationship with man so as to instill the believe and sense of pride that you are a god onto yourself and onto others.

Christians shouldnt be caught trying out or practicing to astra project. Though Christians astra project but its only on direction from God.

UFOs are not only in Europe or western world. They do not need to approach you with a flying saucer at times when we dabble with the occult or mysticism we actually invite a UFO.

Thank you Zeongeon. And Goodmuyis. And everyone here.

Analice will not fall in Jesus name. Amen. The message on a warning not to backslide is not to condemn her or any of us. It' simply a message to correct our thinking that we stand in Christ not because of our many supernatural experience or testimonies.

If it was because of that maybe I'll boast and say 'yes I can't fall because I've seen Jesus so many times, I've seen angels, God speaks to me directly, I even see demons and fallen angels, God tells me secrets..blah blah blah..


With all these I'm quite sure God will look at me in disappointment and Satan will laugh so hard in my face.


Yes I experience all these things and I've escaped death times without numbers but I still fell. Peter fell, David fell, Samson fell, Solomon fell and many others. What's more important is rising back up again. For the righteous man may fall 7 times but he will rise again. But not in his strength but by the mercy of God. We depend on God's mercies and grace. I depend on God.


So place your confidence in Christ. If you must boast, boast in Christ for His mercies and love is what keeps you.



And please let us know that God can speak through anyone regardless of sex, religion, country etc. He has spoken to Pharaoh in a dream warning him about a famine.


In the book of Ezra, God spoke to the Israelites through the Persian king Cyrus.


God spoke to Nebuchadnezzar.He spoke to Balaam and when Balaam was proving to be stubborn He spoke through his donkey. Lol.. how amazing! That shows the power of God and the way He does things. He can speak through anyone.


He can speak through anybody if He wants to. You only need to recognize the spirit behind the talking. The message blackfire brought was one of correction for us to place our priorities right, not to condemn us. Sometimes we can be too educated that we allow our natural senses take control of our thinking. This is wrong.


There is a spirit of error which comes from Satan. And there is a Spirit that corrects us in our walk with Christ.
Let us understand what God is saying here instead of subtly condemning someone because he is not a Christian. Jesus died for all. Even the gentiles. Not all Christians will even be accepted on that day when God rejects people even when they claim they casted demons and prayed in His name. Lets be careful and observant.



At the end, it is left for us to either accept or reject. I accept the message with all of my heart. Thank you Lord.

God bless you all.

analice107:

My dear, it is that confidence in God that am being reprimanded for now.
Maybe the spiritual independence I have is what is making me sound like am over confident. But I have not dependent on myself. Christ has always shown me that if I call Him, He will answer, it is that confidence I have now and, am talking the way I talk.
Am sorry if I sounded in a way that put someone off.

Dear.. there is no need to be sorry. We are all learning here. God is here. God speaks. I'm learning too. We just need to take out the message that is meant for us in cases like this.


I've learnt from experience that a little pride in our walk with God can bring us down really fast.

Since I was a young child I started my walk with God and grew so confident in knowing God.. I didn't realize I started to be over confident in myself. God corrected me. Well, I can only say God was still training me and I was still learning. And I'm still learning even till now. I learn everyday.


Its good you put your confidence in God. If you sincerely put your your confidence in Him like you say, then you have no problem at all. Infact it's case closed.

God loves you dear. Thank you.

I will be making an exception to a personal resolution on this thread and that is because destinies both now and in future may come to an error through heretic message.

God never sent Pharaoh to deliver message to Israelites
God never sent Darius (though he was a believer in Yahweh) message to Israelites
God never sent Nebuchadnezzar to deliver message to the Israelites (although at the end of his life he bowed to the King of Kings)
God never sent Baalam nor his donkey to pass message to the Israelites

Again, I repeat......Never has God used pagans/unbelievers to pass message to His children, Never. You will have to show us the verses where He asked Who (pagan) to pass What message to His people. We know God's character by His doing in the bible.

If you believe God will use an herbalist to pass you message, it shows your spiritual understanding/leaning and you will end in heresy because the children of the devil only speak lies. I see no difference in this Holy-Spirit-Herbalist relationship and people who believe there is a truth is every religion or bahaism .

Does God love sinners, Yes...... but He doesnt use them as His mouth piece to His children.

superior1:

I don't allow anyone to lay hands on me unless and until I am absolutely sure of his/her spiritual standing.

If evil communication corrupt good manners and bible admonishes us to be unequally yoked with unbelievers, how is it not logical not to allow someone under demonic anointing to lay hands over your head.

I fully agree with dazzle101 and analice107 conservative posture on this

Thanks Bro. I believe and acknowledge this truth. Will throw more light on this based on experience.


Permit me to use this medium to acknowledge all Posters for their edifying and inspiring posts.

Laying on of Hands [Updated}


1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on to perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

3 And this will we do, if God permit. Hebrews 6 vs 1-3


From the above scripture, it is apparent that Laying of Hands is major part of the Christian Life. l wont bother you with too much talk.


1 Timothy 5:22
Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep yourself pure.

the laying on of hands imparts, transfer or releases something, whether positive or Negative.

Laying of hands can impart Blessings, Wisdom, Used to position and commission an individual, Impart the Gift of the Holy Spirit with Power/Anointing, We can Minister Healing to the Sick by Laying of Hands.
In acts we see the Apostles administer the Baptism of the Holy Spirit to young believers by laying on of hands.
Examples abound in the Scriptures of how such ministration was carriedout.

A minister administering laying of hands is a conduit or lets say like a distribution center for a certain blessing.


I was privileged to spend the last Christmas holidays with a family with 2 lovely daughters, the eldest, 4 years while the younger sixteen month old.

At midnight, the younger will always be heard either screaming or crying while sleeping. This took place several nights. I had to step in their room on one of such occasions. Laid hands on her shoulder and made some declarations over her.

That was the last time we heard such cries. Note l spent more than 14days with them after that.


Years ago, about 25years ago at one the universities in SW Nigeria, in gatherings of believers they used to experience the moves of greatly in those days.

In one of SUCH gathering, the Student Ministering decided to stray out of God's will for that moment. He wanted to do the normal - power demonstration. Guess What? He succeeded in carrying out his Wishful desires With the Assistance of Familiar spirits.

A Brother who was in the Spirit saw the Minister while laying hands on people being assisted by familiar spirits.


1 Timothy 5:22
Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep yourself pure.

the laying on of hands imparts, transfer or releases something, whether positive or Negative.

superior1:


If evil communication corrupt good manners and bible admonishes us to be unequally yoked with unbelievers, how is it not logical not to allow someone under demonic anointing to lay hands over your head.

Some believers do have grace for imparting certain blessings by laying of hands. An example, when laying hands on a young man, supernaturally by revelation of the Spirit one begin to know certain events or something about him.

If the minister is that who is ministering via demonic powers or a straying minister like the example l gave above the spiritual principle is similar but the root/source of power is questionable.

Believers should be discerning in every atmosphere they meet to fellowship.

A vivid case. If you follow the Pentecostal and Charismatic trends/history in Today's Nigeria, you will discover these, some Pastors/Ministers Talk, Dress, Speak, Minister and behave like the Overseer and Founder of that ministry they belong to. So it flows downwards. Nothing bad with all that.

But, we have seen cases where some of these ministries and their sources of power are questionable. A Christian should pray to God for Christian Discernment to know that which is of God and separate it from the workings of the satanic.

Becareful who lays hands on you.

GloriousEra:


Some believers do have grace for imparting certain blessings by laying of hands. An example, when laying hands on a young man, supernaturally by revelation of the Spirit one begin to know certain events or something about him.

If the minister is that who is ministering via demonic powers or a straying minister like the example l gave above the spiritual principle is similar but the root/source of power is questionable.

Believers should be discerning in every atmosphere they meet to fellowship.

A vivid case. If you follow the Pentecostal and Charismatic trends/history in Today's Nigeria, you will discover these, some Pastors/Ministers Talk, Dress, Speak, Minister and behave like the Overseer and Founder of that ministry they belong to. So it flows downwards. Nothing bad with all that.

But, we have seen cases where some of these ministries and their sources of power are questionable. A Christian should pray to God for Christian Discernment to know that which is of God and separate it from the workings of the satanic.

Becareful who lays hands on you.

Very balance, God bless you Bro

Anas09:
A prayer for Brother Charles.

Glorious and everlasting father, you are the immortal, the invincible, the rock in ages past. Your ways are unsearchable, and your thoughts passed finding out. You are the Most High God, doing according to your will, in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the Earth, so that no man can say to you, what are you doing?,
Lord, you are on the throne of the universe directing all things after the counsel Of your will.
Your will is irreversible, you are absolute, sovereign in every realm of your dominion. You are vested with perfect wisdom and illimitable power. You are God indeed and God in name. I give you all the praise, because you are our eternal strength.
Your word says, you give power to the faint, and to them that have no might, you increase Strength, so therefor Lord, I lift my Brother Charles before you today, thanking you for all you have done and are doing in him and through him, and For increasing his strength.
Your word again says, even the youth shall faint and be weary and the young men shall utterly fall, but those that wait upon you shall renew their strength.

Jehovah shammah, the ever present God, Father, you are the God of all spirits and the God of all flesh, and to you shall all flesh come, Lord, for brother Charles, I ask for renewed strength, I ask for more of your grace for him, I ask for your protective arms to be wrapped around him, in the day and in the night. In his sitting down and in his rising up, in his out going and his coming in.
Jehovah Nissi our banner, I ask that your banner continually be over and around brother charles every minute of the day, to keep and to guide him aright.
Cause him to mount up on Eagles wings, cause him to soar above those that hate him.
Your are his exceeding great reward, so Lord reward him for the work he is doing here, Revealing the antics and the shackles and of satan over your people, let the eyes of as many that comes in here be opened, let their mindsets be changed by your divine contact and presence in this thread, let the influence of satan over ur people be destroyed.

Jehovah Saboth, the God of War. The Lord strong, the Lord mighty in battle. As a battle Axe, you have raised brother Charles, through him and by him, let the hordes of satan be crushed.

He shall tread upon snakes and scorpions and they shall die under his feet.
Uphold him by the power of your might. You said, touch not my anionted and do my prophet no harm, so Lord, this day, I lift ur anionted before you, Let ur full wrath and fury come down swiftly on any one , man or demon, who dares to touch brother Charles.
Give him more revelations Lord, Ur word says, you do nothing except you first reveal it to ur servants. Open his eyes to see clearly that which you wish him to see for your people in this age and time.

Cause brother Charles to take roots downward and bear fruits upward today and for ever. IN JESUS NAME, AMEN.

Amen and amen and amen and amen and amen and amen....God bless u all. I've really learnt a lot from dis thread.

oyeludef:
Balaam wasn't a child of God Analice isn't Balaam. It was a common practice in those times that before a country goes into war with another, they will place a curse over dat country as we could also see ib d case of Goliath cursing Israel in d name of his gods. balaam was into witchcraft which involves placing a spell or curse on others dat was why d king of moab employed his expertise to release potent atomic-nuclear curse on d israelite (but guess wat, instead of curses, blessings came forth) balaam even said "there is no enchantment against Jacob neither divination against Israel". Enchantment and divination are only used by d children of darkness ro cast a dark shadom on others. brother superior1 asked a good question. He said you should search throughout the scripture and say where God used an unbeliever to send a message to His Children. God spoke to His children in the old testament by only those who were prophets or occupied the office of a prophet e.g Moses and the judges.if there was non to send, He sent His angels. Go through the scripture and see how many times this phrase or similar was used "that it might be fulfilled that which was spoken by the prophet".

Dis is wat Hebrew 1:1 says. God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Hebrews 1:1-2.
I also make bold to join sis Analice to say I wont fall as he that keeps me neither slumbers nor sleep He watches me so why should I fall. The Holy Spirit keeps me several steps ahead of satans gimmicks and so I won't fall. It is not pride in my ability but confidence in my saviour.

Yea! I believed as a child of God, a Holy Ghost baptized one for that matter, its not possible to backslide as confirm by, 1Jn3v6 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. and there is noting that should make us afraid of falling. My story was not focus on Balaam but his insignificant Donkey, an animal useful for noting other than for riding, was used by God to warn him [balaam].

Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Jude 1:24-25 (KJV)
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

We are More than Conqueror, through HIM

GoodMuyis:


Yea! I believed as a child of God, a Holy Ghost baptized one for that matter, its not possible to backslide as confirm by, 1Jn3v6 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. and there is noting that should make us afraid of falling. My story was not focus on Balaam but his insignificant Donkey, an animal useful for noting other than for riding, was used by God to warn him [balaam].

Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Jude 1:24-25 (KJV)
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

We are More than Conqueror, through HIM

Once saved, forever saved?