When you don't conform you are irrational and mad. Atheism is rascality wrapped up in insanity.

Reyginus:
Lololol. What exactly did you ask?

Did you even try to answer the original question about how muslims suffer more? You tried to dodge.

JackBizzle:



Lies. Why do you lie so much? Even here in Nigeria, how do muslims suffer more? HMMM?

JackBizzle:



I see. Nice dodge. You live in the rest of the world and not in Nigeria abi?


Okay, let me entertain your folly....please, talk about the rest of the world.

orisa37:
When you don't conform you are irrational and mad. Atheism is rascality wrapped up in insanity.

OriEpon37

Why do atheist the same as theists? Making their convictions their identity. It wont cure an identity crisis.

#know thyselve

JackBizzle:



Did you even try to answer the original question about how muslims suffer more? You tried to dodge.

To begin with, with what am I to compare both when there are no atheism in Nigeria to contend with?

italo:


Which question did I not answer directly?

Now let's see if you can answer my question directly...or if you're the dishonest one.

Honestly, I dont have the strength to go back and reading comments from over 2 years ago when we used to debate .

Its unfortunate but we can prove it by you debating on the topic of this thread. You must dodge- it is the nature of catholic apologists...or are you an atheist now?

Reyginus:
To begin with, with what am I to compare both when there are no atheism in Nigeria to contend with?

Dodging again?

You are just too predictable. Back up your claim that muslims suffer more. Ode. You are asking me what to compare with when you made the statement yourself.

JackBizzle:



Dodging again?

You are just too predictable. Back up your claim that muslims suffer more. Ode. You are asking me what to compare with when you made the statement yourself.

Lololol. As expected. But Jack, let's face it. No joke. Before you compare two things they must have to exist first. Can you honestly say Atheism exist to a palpable level in Nigeria?

Reyginus:
Lololol. As expected. But Jack, let's face it. No joke. Before you compare two things they must have to exist first. Can you honestly say Atheism exist to a palpable level in Nigeria?

Guys (JackBizzle/Reyginus), please...you are driving in circles...

Even if there wld be a substantial group of Atheists...you still cant compare their suffering with that of another group.

Suffering is something individual, a group as a whole cant suffer.

You never can compare individual sufferings either.

#dont make us thread followers suffer o!

Tufanja:


Guys (JackBizzle/Reyginus), please...you are driving in circles...

Even if there wld be a substantial group of Atheists...you still cant compare their suffering with that of another group.

Suffering is something individual, a group as a whole cant suffer.

You never can compare individual sufferings either.

#dont make us thread followers suffer o!

No, we are not. I am not really interested in the suffering of the individual but the so-called discrimination Jack claims Atheists face.

Reyginus:
No, we are not. I am not really interested in the suffering of the individual but the so-called discrimination Jack claims Atheists face.

discrimination is a biased and abused concept
its just a name for individual suffering

JackBizzle:



Honestly, I dont have the strength to go back and reading comments from over 2 years ago when we used to debate .

Its unfortunate but we can prove it by you debating on the topic of this thread. You must dodge- it is the nature of catholic apologists...or are you an atheist now?

Summary: allegation without proof.

Tufanja:


discrimination is a biased and abused concept
its just a name for individual suffering

But the individual's suffering is a result of his involvement with a certain group. We cannot discuss one without the other.

Reyginus:
But the individual's suffering is a result of his involvement with a certain group. We cannot discuss one without the other.

No, his suffering is a result of individual features, characteristics, ideas, orientation, etc. It is not because members of a group share part of the same characteristics that they all will experience discrimination. That is why I said...dont make of religion your identity, dont make of your sexual orientation your identity, dont make of your color or your race your identity. Dont let your identity be defined, limited, simplified by just one aspect of it.

Tufanja:


No, his suffering is a result of individual features, characteristics, ideas, orientation, etc. It is not because members of a group share part of the same characteristics that they all will experience discrimination. That is why I said...dont make of religion your identity, dont make of your sexual orientation your identity, dont make of your color or your race your identity. Dont let your identity be defined, limited, simplified by just one aspect of it.

Let's do it this way. Tell me, what has characteristics, ideas, orientation, etc., got to do with the suffering a moslem woman faces because she wears a veil in an airport? Is she also suffering because of her Religion or not?

Reyginus:
No, we are not. I am not really interested in the suffering of the individual but the so-called discrimination Jack claims Atheists face.

In summary in Africa most especially nigeria

Atheist = immoral miserable satanist

urahara:


In summary in Africa most especially nigeria

Atheist = immoral miserable satanist

Lol. Another word they don't even understand in the same light you do. How many Christians even know who a satanist really is, to begin with? Nigerians do not really care about Atheists. I don't see any of their rights being taken away from them. Mind you, for this discourse the term 'Nigerians' simply stand for the opinion of the majority.

The truth is, Nigerians do not really give Atheism that much attention. Who even cares about an Atheist in this country talk more labelling them immoral and adding miserable and Satanist to it? If you tell a Nigerian you are an atheist he or she will simply call you a fool or see you as a person in need of help and nothing more than that.

urahara:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Nigeria

The same Bala? But can you show me in that report any sign of discrimination? Just one.

Reyginus:

Let's do it this way. Tell me, what has characteristics, ideas, orientation, etc., got to do with the suffering a moslem woman faces because she wears a veil in an airport? Is she also suffering because of her Religion or not?

Not every muslim woman faces suffering at an airport
Not every muslim woman with a veil faces suffering at an airport.
People can wear veils for many different reasons (religious but also not religious reasons).
Not all people who wear a veil face suffering at an airport.
Only those suffer who identify as a muslim and link their wearing a veil to that identity and who perceive the treatment as an attack on their identity as a muslim AND as a person.

Every time I am at the airport I am picked out of the line to be body searched? Does that make me suffer? No, because I dont link it to my identity.

Tufanja:


Only those suffer who identify as a muslim and link their wearing a veil to that identity and who perceive the treatment as an attack on their identity as a muslim AND as a person.

What does it matter about identity? Who cares about your 'personal' identity when being a Muslim is already classified as an identity itself? When you expose a moslem woman's facial veil do you bother to know about her 'personal' identity?

I'm talking about reality and not what it ought to be. Or wait, I think I may have a clue what you are about. Are you trying to say it's in your place to determine what suffering really is? That that which I may term suffering is not seen so by moslem people with stronger identities? If all with veil are treated same way why then say not all suffer? Or to assume all dress that way is the first mistake?

Reyginus:
Lololol. As expected. But Jack, let's face it. No joke. Before you compare two things they must have to exist first. Can you honestly say Atheism exist to a palpable level in Nigeria?

You said muslims suffer more. I asked you to back up your claims and now you are asking me questions.

Answering questions with questions. Did I not say that you are deceitful?

Tufanja:


No, his suffering is a result of individual features, characteristics, ideas, orientation, etc. [size=14pt]It is not because members of a group share part of the same characteristics that they all will experience discrimination.[/size] That is why I said...dont make of religion your identity, dont make of your sexual orientation your identity, dont make of your color or your race your identity. Dont let your identity be defined, limited, simplified by just one aspect of it.

Wow. So wrong and so ridiculous. You just stated the opposite of the fact in bold.

Racism and sexism against a group people is as a result of a shared trait. Black people have certain discrimination towards them- take for instance, segregation from white and blacks in America that they had to overcome.

Similarly, religious discrimination can be a group thing,


Please, stop derailing this discussion with ignorance. Please.

Reyginus:
Lol. Another word they don't even understand in the same light you do. How many Christians even know who a satanist really is, to begin with? Nigerians do not really care about Atheists. I don't see any of their rights being taken away from them. Mind you, for this discourse the term 'Nigerians' simply stand for the opinion of the majority.

The truth is, Nigerians do not really give Atheism that much attention. Who even cares about an Atheist in this country talk more labelling them immoral and adding miserable and Satanist to it? If you tell a Nigerian you are an atheist he or she will simply call you a fool or see you as a person in need of help and nothing more than that.

Which side of the country do you reside at. Just curious.

Baba. Atheism = immoral rebel. Take it or leave it

Reyginus:
What does it matter about identity? Who cares about your 'personal' identity when being a Muslim is already classified as an identity itself? When you expose a moslem woman's facial veil do you bother to know about her 'personal' identity?

I'm talking about reality and not what it ought to be. Or wait, I think I may have a clue what you are about. Are you trying to say it's in your place to determine what suffering really is? That that which I may term suffering is not seen so by moslem people with stronger identities? If all with veil are treated same way why then say not all suffer? Or to assume all dress that way is the first mistake?

She doesnt know what she is talking about. She is just trying to get involved in the discussion.

Reyginus:
Lol. Another word they don't even understand in the same light you do. How many Christians even know who a satanist really is, to begin with? Nigerians do not really care about Atheists. I don't see any of their rights being taken away from them. Mind you, for this discourse the term 'Nigerians' simply stand for the opinion of the majority.

The truth is, Nigerians do not really give Atheism that much attention. Who even cares about an Atheist in this country talk more labelling them immoral and adding miserable and Satanist to it? [size=14pt]If you tell a Nigerian you are an atheist he or she will simply call you a fool or see you as a person in need of help and nothing more than that. [/size]

It is far worse than that. Stop lying. There is freedom of religion and freedom from religion. It is a human right- the right to express yourself. However, in Nigeria, there is no space for "atheist", or "humanist" when filling forms or interviews. The question is always "what religion do you follow".

Try telling people that you're an atheist when going for job interviews and see how many jobs you get. I told you about how someone lost his contract just because he was irreligious and said that he will complete the job in half the time without the need for relying on Jesus.

I told you that I was almost stabbed by a christian because I said I was an atheist.



By denying someone what they believe, you are already breaching their human rights.
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Even if christians are only calling atheists "fools" because they think atheists need help, it is still a very serious form of discrimination. It is what led to putting a normal human being into an asylum.

And you were defending it. What if I put you in an asylum? Oh, you want to now say that you're different? Hypocri.......

italo:


Summary: allegation without proof.

Proof https://www.nairaland.com/1410754/faith-doubt-religious-faith-extreme/13#17974598

JackBizzle:



Wow. So wrong and so ridiculous. You just stated the opposite of the fact in bold.

Racism and sexism against a group people is as a result of a shared trait. Black people have certain discrimination towards them- take for instance, segregation from white and blacks in America that they had to overcome.

Similarly, religious discrimination can be a group thing,


Please, stop derailing this discussion with ignorance. Please.

Someone is demonstrating his incapability to philosophical reasoning, again and again.

Reyginus:
What does it matter about identity? Who cares about your 'personal' identity when being a Muslim is already classified as an identity itself? When you expose a moslem woman's facial veil do you bother to know about her 'personal' identity?

I'm talking about reality and not what it ought to be. Or wait, I think I may have a clue what you are about. Are you trying to say it's in your place to determine what suffering really is? That that which I may term suffering is not seen so by moslem people with stronger identities? If all with veil are treated same way why then say not all suffer? Or to assume all dress that way is the first mistake?

Seems you are getting the clue indeed.

I see often people blame the bad treatment they receive on for instance their color. But they fail to realise that they themselves make the link to the treatment and that specific characteristic by making it a distinguishing aspect of their being. Many times I have been treated very bad by others, unfair, unjust, etc...I thought every time...suppose I would be black, I would blame it on my color, while now I tend to blame it on having a foreign nationality which is also useless...if it was not that I would blame it on my religion or on something else... The truth is...people tend to treat what they dont know, what they not familiar with, what doesnt belong to their group, what is different from mainstream...as a danger...as something that puts them out of the comfortzone...their deepest driver is fear (often because they have no strong own identity) That is the core of the problem...not the characteristic as such.

JackBizzle:



She doesnt know what she is talking about. She is just trying to get involved in the discussion.

Small personalities always want to put others down to look bigger themselves.

#emptyvessel

Tufanja:


[size=14pt]It is not because members of a group share part of the same characteristics that they all will experience discrimination.[/size] That is why I said...dont make of religion your identity, dont make of your sexual orientation your identity, dont make of your color or your race your identity. Dont let your identity be defined, limited, simplified by just one aspect of it.

It is funny how both atheists and theists share this same silly line of reasoning. This is what being trained to accept abuse and a high power distance causes.

It is this same kind of reasoning that johnydon22 follows- "verbal abuse only gets to you if you allow it".


Yes, a white man should call me a N!GGER as many times as possible and I should not react (either by reporting to his boss or recording it and posting it) because I am defining myself by my black identity. Or as Johnydon22 would put it- reacting would only mean that I have a low self-respect.

Tufanja:


Small personalities always want to put others down to look bigger themselves.

#emptyvessel

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