gatiano:
I can back everything I wrote in adequate prove, They are not a theory like those of europeans. Learn more about yourself first, you have already learnt alot from others.

Secondly, We made the non-black races so that we can learn what evil looks like, we learnt it, partook in them. Their good is no use to us since we gave them the good in the first place. Nomatter how hard we try to make our lives easier with european methods or the non-black's methods, It had only become more difficult which continually leads us into more suffering.

Their time of rule has now ended. Be your own man and lets develop ourselves again according to our high sciences.

Ok. I believe you. But please where are your proofs? You've not answered me as to the contributions of the black African to the growth and development of the world apart from having more and more children they cannot train.

Proof-

If the caucasian is so great and the inventor of all things, why do they need to always enforce it through torture, by force or by trick?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1pKty7l72Q

Ponder on that question for a meaning.

Another- Where do inspiration really come from? How does it work? the answer is the sole reason why African don't attach their names to the structures and as I said earlier, there is nothing to discover except to only re-discover.
What contribution did we make in the whiteman's civilization?
Everything that you now use to make life easier for you is been made by a Black person; The prototypes, the whiteman's only makes more of the prototypes and sells it putting his name.

One of the two things the non-blacks made is the patent office or the copyright organisation.
list of Black inventor that is known below in the picture.

oglalasioux:


Ok. I believe you. But please where are your proofs? You've not answered me as to the contributions of the black African to the growth and development of the world apart from having more and more children they cannot train.

gatiano:
Proof-

If the caucasian is so great and the inventor of all things, why do they need to always enforce it through torture, by force or by trick?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1pKty7l72Q

Ponder on that question for a meaning.

Another- Where do inspiration really come from? How does it work? the answer is the sole reason why African don't attach their names to the structures and as I said earlier, there is nothing to discover except to only re-discover.
What contribution did we make in the whiteman's civilization?
Everything that you now use to make life easier for you is been made by a Black person; The prototypes, the whiteman's only makes more of the prototypes and sells it putting his name.

One of the two things the non-blacks made is the patent office or the copyright organisation.
list of Black inventor that is known below in the picture.

What I saw in your list of inventions are Africans for paper, medicine, civilization, chess and alphabets. If I remember my history very well then the Africans mentioned here are the Egyptians. The last time I checked the Egyptians were not black Africans. However, if you still insist black Africans were that great, just answer me why we suddenly became the primitive man before the Europeans came particularly to West Africa. I'm Nigerian. I believe you are too. Point out one thing invented by ancient peoples who make up Nigeria in the development and growth of the world?

The white man has to enforce before we can behave. They wanted to teach us and we waved them away as oppressors. They handed back governance to us. Point me any way the white man's oppressive rule is different from our politicians since independence.

Since 1994 when blacks started ruling south Africa, that country has become a shadow of itself from the infrastructural glory of the white man. We blacks are lower than the white man. You can rant to high heavens and will never be able to change the truth.

oglalasioux:




Since 1994 when blacks started ruling south Africa, that country has become a shadow of itself from the infrastructural glory of the white man. We blacks are lower than the white man. You can rant to high heavens and will never be able to change the truth.

Can you give us one example to support this last paragraph of yours...

MduZA:


Can you give us one example to support this last paragraph of yours...

Crime, HIV and AIDS has made south Africa a joke from what it used to be. Corruption is creeping into the south African government. 99 percent of the infrastructure in south Africa was built by the apartheid regimes. Google can help you with the rest information you wish to know.

The simple truth; the black man is not capable of governing himself. Maybe in another 100 years but as of today I agree with Donald Trump; black Africa should be re colonized.

The African mentioned in the list are African Americans. The central power or super computing software solely responsible for the internet was made by a Nigerian man, An Igbo man. The cellphone that we all fancy so much was made by An African American in the early 90s.
We were the ancient Egyptians, and to your amazement or astonishment, We still speak the ancient Egyptian languages, the sumerian, hebrew languages all across the tribes in Africa. Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa are all a form of the Kemetic language. That we were the ancient egyptian is no longer up for arguements. If they were europeans or arabs, Why then do they have to blow off the noses of all the structures?

The Dogons, and many other tribes of Africans knew about the star systems like the belt around saturn, the sirius star system, the Orion belt more than 5000 years ago. The european just discovered these sirius just in 1972 and were surprised how African knew about it without telescope. Guess what they said? The reported that some alien being came to them and told, they said that about the Blacks in Indian, and Black Australians. If indeed the aliens came down to teach us, Why didn't the aliens teach them too? where were they at the time? Even, it is reported by the Native Americans that some aliens came down, in china, Japan etc why not the caucasians?

The whiteman doesn't need to enforce anything, we were civilized when they came even in our falling state, what they did was enforce on us savagery, throught their savagery religion. They didn't want to teach you yesterday, they won't teach you now or tomorrow, or ever even if they were given a chance of physical existence which we won't.

Since 1994, South African got out of savagery oppression of over 200 years; you don't expect them to get over it so quick and besides, The Blacks always continue to run back to their tormentors and the savages? Why?

Why are you so drawn to the native-american culture? maybe you were reincarnated there and you had a good time or perhaps a wild one that you need to settle. It is no coincidence, nothing is to the Black people. Start your history lesson through your own view from there. With all these been said,I say I have passed the message. read-

https://www.nairaland.com/2163386/african-blackroots-science-religion-science

And, We were and are not lower than no race, We just gave them dominion for 6000 years and it is over in 1914, We gave them 100 years extra time for them to change and for us to get awake. The time has now ended. If not the link I post just above won't have been revealled. STUDY YOURSELF!

oglalasioux:


What I saw in your list of inventions are Africans for paper, medicine, civilization, chess and alphabets. If I remember my history very well then the Africans mentioned here are the Egyptians. The last time I checked the Egyptians were not black Africans. However, if you still insist black Africans were that great, just answer me why we suddenly became the primitive man before the Europeans came particularly to West Africa. I'm Nigerian. I believe you are too. Point out one thing invented by ancient peoples who make up Nigeria in the development and growth of the world?

The white man has to enforce before we can behave. They wanted to teach us and we waved them away as oppressors. They handed back governance to us. Point me any way the white man's oppressive rule is different from our politicians since independence.

Since 1994 when blacks started ruling south Africa, that country has become a shadow of itself from the infrastructural glory of the white man. We blacks are lower than the white man. You can rant to high heavens and will never be able to change the truth.

oglalasioux:


Crime, HIV and AIDS has made south Africa a joke from what it used to be. Corruption is creeping into the south African government. 99 percent of the infrastructure in south Africa was built by the apartheid regimes. Google can help you with the rest information you wish to know.

The simple truth; the black man is not capable of governing himself. Maybe in another 100 years but as of today I agree with Donald Trump; black Africa should be re colonized.

If you want white people to recolonize your country,don't include us...you are talking about aids and crime as if they are immune in your country...Before 1994 only 34 % of households in SA were electrified,after 1994 20 years down the line 92% of households were electrified,if Nigerian authorities failed to achieve this in 50 years,south African authorities did in 20 years..currently South Africa is building new trains to replace the old ones coupled with an existing speed train network which was not there before 1994...our Nigerian friends are waiting for the British recolization to achieve somethings like these..Today south African airports are counted amongst the best,all thanks to the black government of SA..we maintain our roads and build the new ones...our very own Tokyo Sexwale is among the contenders of the FIFA presidency seat..a Nigerian football official was quoted saying:This man wants to embarrass us Africans,how can he compete against inyibos..lol.....our beautiful infrastructures giving you sleepless nights were not there prior 94,that's my point,remember we are not mentally colonized like you and we don't see ourselves as one of you,painful truth.

I am actually not angry at the way you speak, I am surprised as to why, I was once like you. The shame was too much as it was regularly shown on Tv, the deplorable condition of Africa is all the show, if not Black people in other countries. So I said, let it all just blow up! Then the right questions began to flow into my mind, It was so much that I couldn't not seat in a place, And WHOLLA! The answers to my questions began to surface. There is no end to the questions and no matter how eternally long the questions are or were, There is a straight answer to very single question your mind or tongue can ask. Whites do not have 0.00000000000001 of the right question, how much less an answer.

Genesis 4:11-13
11"Now you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. 12"When you cultivate the ground, it will no longer yield its strength to you; you will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth." 13Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is too great to bear!…

The verses above is the scientific reason why there is so much hiv virus amongst the Blacks who stay with the white people, like South Africans, American Americans, Black Brazilians, Black descendant in India etc.

Cain represent the White people and non-Blacks. Abel were the Black Greeks who became Hebrew Israelites. Cain and Abel's war was the very first racial war.

There time has past, There is no 100 years for them to do nothing except the killing of us cause of envy and jealousy.

oglalasioux:


Crime, HIV and AIDS has made south Africa a joke from what it used to be. Corruption is creeping into the south African government. 99 percent of the infrastructure in south Africa was built by the apartheid regimes. Google can help you with the rest information you wish to know.

The simple truth; the black man is not capable of governing himself. Maybe in another 100 years but as of today I agree with Donald Trump; black Africa should be re colonized.

gatiano:
I am actually not angry at the way you speak, I am surprised as to why, I was once like you. The shame was too much as it was regularly shown on Tv, the deplorable condition of Africa is all the show, if not Black people in other countries. So I said, let it all just blow up! Then the right questions began to flow into my mind, It was so much that I couldn't not seat in a place, And WHOLLA! The answers to my questions began to surface. There is no end to the questions and no matter how eternally long the questions are or were, There is a straight answer to very single question your mind or tongue can ask. Whites do not have 0.00000000000001 of the right question, how much less an answer.

Genesis 4:11-13
11"Now you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. 12"When you cultivate the ground, it will no longer yield its strength to you; you will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth." 13Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is too great to bear!…

The verses above is the scientific reason why there is so much hiv virus amongst the Blacks who stay with the white people, like South Africans, American Americans, Black Brazilians, Black descendant in India etc.

Cain represent the White people and non-Blacks. Abel were the Black Greeks who became Hebrew Israelites. Cain and Abel's war was the very first racial war.

There time has past, There is no 100 years for them to do nothing except the killing of us cause of envy and jealousy.

Bible? It's not a Cain and Abel curse. It's the capacity of our brain. I refrain from using a Jewish book to judge myself. But thanks for your intelligent contribution.

MduZA:


If you want white people to recolonize your country,don't include us...you are talking about aids and crime as if they are immune in your country...Before 1994 only 34 % of households in SA were electrified,after 1994 20 years down the line 92% of households were electrified,if Nigerian authorities failed to achieve this in 50 years,south African authorities did in 20 years..currently South Africa is building new trains to replace the old ones coupled with an existing speed train network which was not there before 1994...our Nigerian friends are waiting for the British recolization to achieve somethings like these..Today south African airports are counted amongst the best,all thanks to the black government of SA..we maintain our roads and build the new ones...our very own Tokyo Sexwale is among the contenders of the FIFA presidency seat..a Nigerian football official was quoted saying:This man wants to embarrass us Africans,how can he compete against inyibos..lol.....our beautiful infrastructures giving you sleepless nights were not there prior 94,that's my point,remember we are not mentally colonized like you and we don't see ourselves as one of you,painful truth.

Good one from a south African. I admit I've never been to south Africa and can't rely on what I've read. But we must admit apartheid set the pace. It's only in countries white men stayed longer that can boast of such progress. Thanks for your contribution.

oglalasioux:


Good one from a south African. I admit I've never been to south Africa and can't rely on what I've read. But we must admit apartheid set the pace. It's only in countries white men stayed longer that can boast of such progress. Thanks for your contribution.

Thank you sir..white men did not stay longer in Botswana ,she is also one of the best...enjoy your weekend

MduZA:


Thank you sir..white men did not stay longer in Botswana ,she is also one of the best...enjoy your weekend

I've not been to Botswana too but I know the history of white man's stay in Africa. Look at the pattern; where the white man was allowed to live in peace the land prospered example Botswana you mentioned. But how about Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Zimbabwe and West Africa where they were railroaded away forcefully? You answer me. Johannesburg wouldn't have been like New York if the white man left south Africa in 1960.

oglalasioux:


I've not been to Botswana too but I know the history of white man's stay in Africa. Look at the pattern; where the white man was allowed to live in peace the land prospered example Botswana you mentioned. But how about Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Zimbabwe and West Africa where they were railroaded away forcefully? You answer me. Johannesburg wouldn't have been like New York if the white man left south Africa in 1960.

South Africa is what she is because of her mineral resources ,without these things nothing the whites would have done...white people were there in Nigeria,what did they do?they were there in Zimbabwe ,Kenya and all over the continent...the thing is these countries could not be developed to the same level with SA because their mineral resources did not match those of SA...if the whites did leave SA in 1960 ,South Africa would have been much better that what she is today,remember our minerals would have remained with us,do you know why am saying this,we are very ambitious and believe we can outshine the white race,we live with them ,we know their strong points and weaknesses...thats why we went far as hosting Fifa world cup when many believed it was not an African thing...yes I gree with you when you say the whites set a good foundation but do you think that if black south Africans had the mentality of saying good things come only from the whites ,we were going to talk about things like speed train and other massive developments which were not there prior 94?I don't think so.

What is wrong with the bible? Atleast the christians and the theists believe in some spirit above, wrong though.
Atheists believe in the melanoma accursed white people, which is so much worst.

The Bible is not a religious book, not in a micro-inch. Its Original is a pure scientific, mathematical and historical scripts upon which the white world you so admire is built upon. They made the fake edition and posted it out to gullible (once we all almost were) Africans. The real bible is the Kaballah, Merkaba and the Quran.
However, The Elders have diciphered the fake editions of the bible.

Now as pertaining to the verse I stated,
Have you ever wondered why African Cuisines is not valued worldwide amongst other races? Why don't they import fruits from Africa?
It is a simple answer, It will kill them! They can't eat strong, vitamin or mineralled or electric plant based food; It would kill them all within 2 years. And that is the Truth.

Every plant gets all its nutrients from the minerals in the soil, The sun just makes plant grow; There are a lot of dietery metals that gets into all the plants and trees from the soil and also into the water, since water is from the ground or flows about on rocks and river soil bed. That important element mineral is "SELENIUM".

The lack of the element "Selenium" on the Southern African soil and most of all the world is the reason why Black people are diseased worldwide. Southern Africa, the entire europe, india, whole of the america continent, asia, middle east, Sierra Loane, Liberia, most francophone countries has been depleted of its Selenium and other vital mineral element. It is only few countries in West and East Africa that still has just a little dosage of selenium left.

Let talk about Chlorophyll shortly, There are two types of chlorophyll.
1) Chlorella Chlorophyll- It absorbs more sunlight and contains two to four times the amount of chlorophyll than the other type. It is a detoxicfier etc.

2) Spirulina Chlorophyll- It is a weak type of chlorophyll. For further reading or info----
https://www.sunchlorellausa.com/blog/chlorella-vs-spirulina-what%E2%80%99s-difference

The non-blacks, especially whites will never touch the Chlorella chlorophyll, It will kill them quick. They can't absorb the sun, they can't also absorb the high sun within the green plants.

Black Family, Spirulina is very weak for you. It won't protect you. YOU NEED CHLORELLA.

What is the function of Selenium? Selenium is the element that protects all our nerve cells, the nerve cell is like a tube within every cell. Once selenium enters the body, it job is to guard all the nerve cells' tubes on both ends. It blocks it so toooooooo tight that the imaginable smallest, micro-tiniest particle won't have a space, let alone a virus.

How is the whiteman killing the earth of its vital elements? Simple, and they tricked us to do the same.
IT IS THE FERTILIZERS. IT BLEACHES OFF THE SOIL WITH ITS HIGH CONTENT OF SULPHUR AND NITROGEN. Without the minerals in our body systems, our bodies is being left to the mercy of several diseases, hiv, ebola amongst them. THese diseases are not blood related diseases, they are all melanin attacking agent, pathogens and disaeses, that is why it is not common amongst them.

NOTE: The non-blacks are sulphuric beings, and Black people are Carbonate beings. sulphur is very dangarous to the blackman, sulphur helps the non-blacks push out their excessive ammonia.

To my Southern African Families (MduZA), please read further, and we may exchange ideas and opinions.

To my Nigerian and other Africans, Our government are busy selling our lands, so that whites can use for farming. the whites will use one stone to kill two birds. feed themselves and kill us in the process (it can't happen though, but most of us may die).

oglalasioux:


Bible? It's not a Cain and Abel curse. It's the capacity of our brain. I refrain from using a Jewish book to judge myself. But thanks for your intelligent contribution.

MduZA:


South Africa is what she is because of her mineral resources ,without these things nothing the whites would have done...white people were there in Nigeria,what did they do?they were there in Zimbabwe ,Kenya and all over the continent...the thing is these countries could not be developed to the same level with SA because their mineral resources did not match those of SA...if the whites did leave SA in 1960 ,South Africa would have been much better that what she is today,remember our minerals would have remained with us,do you know why am saying this,we are very ambitious and believe we can outshine the white race,we live with them ,we know their strong points and weaknesses...thats why we went far as hosting Fifa world cup when many believed it was not an African thing...yes I gree with you when you say the whites set a good foundation but do you think that if black south Africans had the mentality of saying good things come only from the whites ,we were going to talk about things like speed train and other massive developments which were not there prior 94?I don't think so.

You are right again.

Who mines your diamonds in terms of expertise? Are black south Africans at the forefront of engineering for infrastructures? Is the rail built by China? Who owns the biggest farms? I'll like to know these and more firsthand from a south African.

oglalasioux:


You are right again.

Who mines your diamonds in terms of expertise? Are black south Africans at the forefront of engineering for infrastructures? Is the rail built by China? Who owns the biggest farms? I'll like to know these and more firsthand from a south African.

Same applies to you..who is building your railway network?Chinese...who is building your malls? South Africans..who is behind the eko antlantic project?Europeans....you know what?I know it is hard for some of you guys to accept some of the positives coming from the south understandably so because you believe blacks are incapable of doing things...white people are working as experts in our mines not because blacks are incapable but because the apartheid regime favoured them,same with farming..but young black south africans are entering those fields slowly but surely....China and south Africa are working together in building trains in SA as per Brics skills sharing agreement..many young black south Africans are involved in this project...comrade negative things that you read on internet about black south Africans because of some few criminals perpetuating xenophobia will just make you clueless...

MduZA:



Same applies to you..who is building your railway network?Chinese...who is building your malls? South Africans..who is behind the eko antlantic project?Europeans....you know what?I know it is hard for some of you guys to accept some of the positives coming from the south understandably so because you believe blacks are incapable of doing things...white people are working as experts in our mines not because blacks are incapable but because the apartheid regime favoured them,same with farming..but young black south africans are entering those fields slowly but surely....China and south Africa are working together in building trains in SA as per Brics skills sharing agreement..many young black south Africans are involved in this project...comrade negative things that you read on internet about black south Africans because of some few criminals perpetuating xenophobia will just make you clueless...

Very sincere answer. Forget about my country Nigeria. We are lost already. My only hope is that you south Africans will see the usefulness of the white man until you are capable of handling things yourself.

What is my ultimate point? My point is that we blacks are down the rung of the intellectual evolutionary process. If you will be patient enough to go through the beginning of this thread you'll find out why I posited that the black man has a problem.

The OP was of the opinion that it's the devil that manufacture luxurious commodities. The argument started off because I pointed out his error in that statement; while the white man is making things easier people like the OP are accusing them of being in league with the devil. But he's using the internet manufactured by the white man in league with the devil.

I'm proud of my African heritage (not proud of being a Nigerian). But that cannot stop me from stating the obvious.

Internet was not invented by the whites, electricity, electronic wasn't either. Go study your history and quit listening to white made up lies. I agree, We forgot, our forgetfulness was over 2000 years old. There certainly would come a time when the sleeping man must wake up, and here we are as Black glorious people searching through all the lies ever told.

If any Black person waits for the whiteman to do for him or her, He or she will simply die waiting and diseased while at it.

oglalasioux:


Very sincere answer. Forget about my country Nigeria. We are lost already. My only hope is that you south Africans will see the usefulness of the white man until you are capable of handling things yourself.

What is my ultimate point? My point is that we blacks are down the rung of the intellectual evolutionary process. If you will be patient enough to go through the beginning of this thread you'll find out why I posited that the black man has a problem.

The OP was of the opinion that it's the devil that manufacture luxurious commodities. The argument started off because I pointed out his error in that statement; while the white man is making things easier people like the OP are accusing them of being in league with the devil. But he's using the internet manufactured by the white man in league with the devil.

I'm proud of my African heritage (not proud of being a Nigerian). But that cannot stop me from stating the obvious.

gatiano:
Internet was not invented by the whites, electricity, electronic wasn't either. Go study your history and quit listening to white made up lies. I agree, We forgot, our forgetfulness was over 2000 years old. There certainly would come a time when the sleeping man must wake up, and here we are as Black glorious people searching through all the lies ever told.

If any Black person waits for the whiteman to do for him or her, He or she will simply die waiting and diseased while at it.

You forgot something 2000 years ago and someone picked it up. 2000 years! I'll not respond to this thread again. You've won.

Modern Medicine – A Cancer on Humanity

“The bullet that kills you is the one you don’t see coming,” Master Naba would often say. When we are ill, or injured, we are trained to automatically turn to the modern medical industry for help. What we aren’t told is that the invasive methods of diagnosis and the barbaric, often deadly methods of treatment they offer could be avoided by simply seeking traditional forms of treatment.

Last month, we discussed the dangers of the modern diet. This month, as we turn our focus on the modern medical system, it’s important to understand the connection between all the different faces of the colonial system and how they feed each other. The modern, fast food diet is the leading contributor to disease in this country, both physical and mental. Poor diet is a major, if not the leading contributor to the heart disease, diabetes, and cancers that are ravaging our communities. When our diets make us ill, the modern medical system is lurking like a pack of wolves to devour the weak and defenseless of humanity.
The medical system is an industry. For it to sell its products, it depends on people being sick. The success of medicine companies and hospitals depends their having sick people to treat. Therefore, it’s not in their business interests to really make people better. At best, they want to get people just well enough for them to maintain some level of credibility. Besides, they have to get people back to work long enough for them to pay their medical bills or their health insurance. The goal, however, is to keep their customers coming back just like any salesmen. This is the issue that arises in a capitalist society: The well-being of humanity and the planet always takes a back seat to profits.
Any problem within the body reveals itself in the form of symptoms. A symptom is just the body’s way of letting the mind know that there is something wrong and that something should be done to correct it. Hunger is a symptom of the body needing food, thirst is a symptom of the body needing water. If a thirsty man decided that, instead of drinking water, he was going to chew gum so that he won’t feel thirsty, we might think something was wrong with him. The man may lose the symptom telling him he needs to drink, but the fact is if he doesn’t drink something, damage will be done to his body and eventually he will die. However, by chewing the gum, what he has done is increased his ability to ignore the problem. Only a person trying to sell gum would promote the message that gum quenches thirst.
If we look at the way the modern doctors treat disease, we can see that it’s often similar to prescribing gum for thirst. If we take the case of headaches, almost anything can cause a headache, however, modern doctors have one solution: Painkillers. The reality is that the headache is a symptom of a problem in the body, a signal for a person to take action to correct it. The painkillers only take the pain away, but this does nothing to solve the problem, it only makes the person feel better so they can go back to work to pay for more painkillers. However, this will only ensure that the cause of the problem is ignored and the problem may intensify without the person knowing.
The same strategy is used to treat a cold. Medicines are prescribed to stop the coughing, sneezing and runny nose. However, in the case of a cold, these symptoms come as defenses of the body when it is fighting a cold. These medicines actually hinder the body’s ability to fight disease.
When person gets the flu or pneumonia, the doctors often prescribe antibiotics. The antibiotics do not make a distinction between the body and the infection. They enter the body and kill everything in their path. This behavior is similar to the strategy of modern armed forces. By prescribing the antibiotics, that doctor is basically hoping the infection will die before the patient does.
Unfortunately, the antibiotics, like many other modern medications, also weaken the immune system. They attack the whole body, which weakens everything, including the immune system. They also do the immune system’s job of fighting the infection. The immune system will only be strong if it regularly faces the challenge of fighting infections. It’s like using a wheelchair when one is capable of walking. The legs will become weak from lack of use and the person will become dependent on the chair. Through the widespread use of antibiotics, once again the medical industry ensures that their patients will be incapable of caring for themselves by rendering their immune systems helpless. As a general rule, every medicine offered by the medical industry has side effects. Considering the fact that their
medicines never actually cure anything, even the common cold, these side effects only serve to add to the ailments of the patient. When a patient does recover from their ailments, usually it is a credit to their body recovering naturally despite the interference of the medicine. Unfortunately, too often patients are given a medication that they are supposed to take on a long term basis, this medication causes a side effect that is treated by another medication, which causes another side effect, which is treated by another medication, etc. Eventually, body parts lose their ability to function and the patient is trapped in the system for the remainder of their days. Older people are especially vulnerable because their bodies are less able to cleanse themselves of the toxic chemical medicines. There may be no more apparent example of the ignorance and barbarism of the medical industry than the case of surgeries. Often surgeries are performed to remove or replace organs and limbs because the doctors don’t know how to restore health to the body. Surgeries and transplants are deemed necessary after prolonged and extensive damage is done to the body parts, usually from inside the body, either by toxic food or toxic medicine. The job of a healer is to preserve life. This means preserving the body’s ability to function normally and fend for itself. We can see from the above examples that the medical industry has no interest in preserving life:
Painkillers – Killing the pain eliminates the warning signs, enabling the patient to recklessly continue to damage the body.
Antibiotics – Anti = against, Bio = Life.
Surgery – Cutting out vital parts of the body that don’t grow back doesn’t sound intelligent at all!
When we include these examples with the fact that the medical industry has not cured any disease since polio, even with the billions of dollars hustled for cures for cancer, AIDS, diabetes, heart disease and every other disease we have a name for, some eyebrows should begin to raise. Even after they spend all this money, they can’t seem to develop any medicines that don’t have side effects. Can we call a substance that causes disease and doesn’t cure anything a medicine?
A critical look at the numbers will reveal the severity of the problem. According to a 2004 Center For Disease Control Study, 47% Americans are taking at least one prescription drugs, with 20% taking at least 3. We see that this only increases with age with 87% of Americans of 65 taking at least one medication and 60% taking at least 3. The report also showed that 6% of children are taking anti-depressants and 14% of boys are taking stimulants (often to treat Attention Deficit Disorder).
All of these numbers are up significantly from 10 years prior. Over half of doctor’s visits are by patients with chronic illnesses, with an average of 2 medications
being dispensed per visit. If the medicine was working to cure the illness, why would these numbers be so high? The fact is, diabetes, depression and hypertension are all up substantially since 1996. Meanwhile, last year there were 588,000 doctors visits by patients experiences adverse effects of medications and surgeries. That’s well over twice the number of visits for intentional injuries, including all forms of violence and self inflicted injury! What sense does it make to put our health in
the hands of this system given these facts?
Fortunately for those of us concerned with preserving life, traditional healing systems still stand worldwide as an alternative to the medical industry. These systems were developed without the goal of profiting from their patients. Instead, they make the people’s well being their priority. Traditional healers treat the sources of disease and have effectively been able to cure every disease known to man. Isn’t it time we put our health in the hands of capable, proven healers instead of amateurs and con-artists?

Master Naba Lamoussa Morodenibig. Earth center.

I am not discussing to findout who the winner is or not. If I should leave something down and then someone else picks it up and called it his discovery, Is that not forgery and fraud? I repeat, The non-blacks did not make anything. All that they have or claimed to have made or invented were fed to them by Our Ancestors.

Where does inspiration comes from? I'd really like your opinion.

oglalasioux:


You forgot something 2000 years ago and someone picked it up. 2000 years! I'll not respond to this thread again. You've won.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ViAEnjraM

Bible already says this, between Genesis 1.1 and 1.2 a pre Adamite civilisation existed, however God promised Noah that he would never again destroy the earth or mankind...

The Pre-Adamite World and the Ancient Origin of Satan, a.k.a. Lucifer

The Ancient World

"And the earth was ..." (Genesis 1:2)

As stated previously at the start of this study, at Genesis 1:2 the reader is confronted with the first mystery of the Holy Scriptures; a mystery which, when fully understood, reveals why the ancient geologic fossil record is fairly accurate and why the account of the literal seven 24-hour days of Genesis one is a regeneration of the heaven and the Earth and not the original creation. Let's quickly review the specifics:

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
(Genesis 1:2 KJV)

"For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
(2 Pet 3:5-7 KJV)

In Genesis 1:2 the Earth is said to be a lifeless and uninhabited planet, drifting in the cold and darkness of the chaotic remains of the old universe. The planet is submerged in water, and waters also rage around it and across a ruined universal abyssal. As you study the root word definitions and the English translation of the KJV Bible, a picture emerges of a former world that once existed on the Earth, but now is totally destroyed and dead. Taking the words of the Bible at face value and reading the verses objectively, several facts become clear:

1) The context and time placement of Genesis 1:2 is one verse BEFORE God says, "Let there be light" (Genesis 1:3), where He begins the creative process of the famous seven days.

2) Before God says, "let there be light" (Genesis 1:3) there are already things present that must have been previously created. Specifically, there is water composed of hydrogen and oxygen, there is the Earth composed of myriads of elements and compounds and in a solid form recognizable as a planet which has already been assigned a proper name.

3) Third, and very important, there is something else already present at this time: DARKNESS! And it's not just physical darkness (an absence of light) but also spiritual darkness (the absence of holiness and harmony).

When all these facts are taken into account, the following inescapable truths stand out:

a) The planet Earth and a ruined universe were already in existence before the creative process of Genesis 1:3 through 1:31 even begins. Earth had already existed for an unspecified period of historical time.

b) The physics of time, space, and matter are already established, which by extension means that the processes which regulate radioactive decay (the half-life principle) are also functioning and valid.

c) At some undetermined time in history past, Death and the powers of darkness first came into being, and this happened before the seven days and before the creation of the man, Adam.

In essence, what the Scriptures are collectively saying is this:

Long ago, in very distant times past, the Lord God first created the heaven and Earth (Genesis 1:1). But when the heaven and Earth are spoken of in Genesis 1:2, it is in a ruined and lifeless state. There is a vast gap in historical time between those two verses of the Bible; a gap on the order of possibly a few billion years. In Genesis 1:1 we have a glorious heaven and Earth, but in 1:2 we see a decimated heaven and Earth. The bulk of the geologic column fits in-between verses 1:1 and 1:2, and the geologic time marker at Genesis 1:2 is at the very end of the Pleistocene. The end of the Pleistocene (about 13,000 to 10,000 years ago) shows evidence of a global extinction event and a severe drop in global temperatures. We will elaborate further in following chapters.

So what exactly happened during this great gap of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, and why? Why was Death already in existence before the seven days and before Adam sinned? For clues to that answer we must look to the writings of the prophets Isaiah and Ezekiel. There, in the prophetic Scriptures, the Holy Ghost spoke through these men concerning the ancient origin of Satan, which is the key doctrine to unlocking this great mystery.

What the Spirit of Truth Reveals in the Words of Truth

In the passages below the prophets are speaking against the "king of Babylon" (Isaiah 14:4) and the "prince of Tyrus" (Ezekiel 28:2) who were renown mortal men of history. Prophetically, the Spirit is also addressing a man yet to come, the antichrist (see 2 Thessalonians 2:1-10). However, it is clearly evident from the content that the Holy Ghost is also speaking here against a spirit being; an ancient, unholy, and malevolent spirit that motivated the evil deeds of these historical and mortal men:

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;"
(Isaiah 14:12-16 KJV)

"Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee."
(Ezekiel 28:13-17 KJV)

The words highlighted in red speak of things that could not possibly be attributed to the actual acts of any human king or prince. No man in history has ever "walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire" or "fallen from heaven."

The name "Lucifer" means "light bearer" or "brightness" in the Hebrew sense of the word. This creature was the first steward over the Kingdom of Heaven in the day when the Lord God created the heaven and Earth (Genesis 1:1). It is important to understand that the "Kingdom of Heaven" is not something that just begins with the Gospels of the New Testament. The saga for the control and Kingship of the "Kingdom of Heaven" is the Bible's core theme, from Genesis through Revelation. The geography of this Kingdom is from the surface of the Earth below and up to all things within the bounds of the firmament of heaven. The topic of the Kingdom will be discussed more in depth in a later chapter.

The start of this Kingdom begins back in ancient times when the Lord God first created the heaven and the Earth, as we are instructed in the book of Job:

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
(Job 38:4-7 KJV)

At the ancient time of the original creation there was spiritual harmony and continuity throughout the newly created physical world of the Kingdom of Heaven. Physical matter and spirit were one under the stewardship of Lucifer, this anointed cherub. Being "anointed" indicates he held an office similar to the anointed High Priests of Israel. The mention of Lucifer's covering in an array of nine (9) precious stones and gold is further suggestive of that comparison. These are not the exact same twelve (12) stones that the High Priest of Israel wore on his Breastplate, but the similarities of such a covering signify that Lucifer was a priestly ruler over the old world of those ancient times. He was second only to the Lord God in power and authority over the realm of the whole Kingdom. Lucifer was a created being, created by God to serve Him as ruler of the Kingdom and leader of worship to the Lord. But he was not satisfied with his glorious appointed station over all things in the Kingdom and eventually desired to be as God himself: "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."

Lucifer rebelled and transgressed against the Lord God and became the first created being to sin. Lucifer sinned a long, long time ago before Adam or his world was even created. The earliest (thus first) documented sin (and documented in the Holy Scriptures we should add) occurred countless eons ago. It certainly happened sometime before the Cambrian geologic period (about 500 -600 million years ago), because that is where we see an explosion of well-developed life forms in the fossil record. Things that are alive don't leave remains UNTIL they DIE. The Cambrian Explosion marks where multiple very complex life forms first began to appear and die in the Earth's fossil record of geologic natural history.

GU Timescale from Cambrian

But the sudden appearance of the remains of extremely complex life forms does not mean ancient life forms (and death) were only as old as the Cambrian times. There is evidence of less complex, multi-cellular life from over two billion years ago, long before the Cambrian. And those newly discovered creatures are a totally different breed from what is found in the Cambrian fossils. And their metabolic system was certainly different, as well. If they lived over two billion years ago, it was before the Great Oxygenation Event at a time when sulfur reducers were at work on the early Earth.

The mystery of ancient life (and death) is further veiled by another geologic mystery called the "Great Unconformity" which is found globally. Essentially, it reveals that millions of years of Earth's geologic record went missing before onset of the Cambrian. One place on Earth where the Great Unconformity can be observed is within the Grand Canyon in the United States.

Great Unconformity in Grand Canyon

If you look at the different ages of the rock layers, both below and above the line of the Great Unconformity, you will note that the hiatus of deposition spans millions of years. It is like the surface of the Earth had been scoured flat and new depositions did not resume until much, much later in geologic time. Clearly, whatever caused this global event was unprecedented and remains a scientific mystery.

There is also geologic evidence that suggests the Earth was frozen over completely at the end of the Precambrian, as well. Since the 1960s, scientists have hypothesized that the Earth was subjected to severe glacial action between about 750 million and 580 million years ago. This is called the Snowball Earth hypothesis and it has been proposed to explain a number of observations in the geological record and was so severe that the Earth's oceans completely froze over at that time.

So, how are these events directly connected to the Cambrian Explosion? Some scientists today are postulating that the Great Unconformity was somehow the geologic trigger for the Cambrian explosion. Is it a coincidence that following the Snowball Earth the continents began to break apart? At that time in Earth's history the world's continental landmass was locked together in the configuration of a supercontinent called "Rodinia" that was clustered near the Earth's equator. This sequence of events: Millions of years of missing geologic record, a super Ice Age, the Cambrian Explosion of well-developed life and the breakup of Rodinia all point to the same vector in geologic deep-time. The events of that ancient vector, and the changes they wrought upon the ancient Earth, may have been a domino effect that was precipitated by Lucifer's rebellion and God's wrath upon Lucifer's earthly domain. This does not necessarily mean that Lucifer fell at this specific point in ancient time. That point in deep-time could have been even earlier - back as far as 4.5 billion years ago, or more. We can not determine this for sure from the existing geologic record.

There are no known geologic formations on the Earth that predate 4.5 billion years. The oldest confirmed mineral sample found, so far, is a zircon crystal that dates to 4.38 billion years. And, as mentioned on our page concerning the Ancient Earth, that crystal was formed in water.

Allow me to digress for a minute and inject some parenthetical thoughts for your consideration. Make note of the association of Lucifer with the "stones of fire," and keep in mind that "fire" can be a physical and/or spiritual component:

"And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain [was] full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha."
(2 Kings 6:17 KJV)

"And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed."
(Exodus 3:2 KJV)

"And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and [there were] seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God."
(Revelation 4:5 KJV)

"For our God [is] a consuming fire."
(Hebrews 12:29 KJV)

The Earth was certainly a very different of kind world back in the days when God first created it. It may have had water and vegetation on the surface in the days when the "sons of God" inhabitated the Earth.

In the Hebrew language concordance, the word for the stones spoken of as the "stones of fire" is eben eh'-ben, which suggests that these stones were more akin to building blocks or masonry than to natural rocks or burning volcanic brimstone. I believe this is significant, as it may be telling us that this covering cherub, Lucifer, was in the setting of some sort of spiritual structure of fire. Could this have been a "Temple of fire" on the ancient Earth? This Lucifer also had a covering of diverse gemstones similar to the breastplate of gemstones worn by the High Priests of the tabernacle and the temple in Old Testament times. Are these similarities a coincidence?

Regardless, with his initial act of sin and rebellion, Death and corruption was introduced into the physical cosmos. It could be at this point in deep-time that Entropy began. It started in Eden, the "Garden of God" on the Earth, and spread like a cancer. Because Lucifer was the steward of the whole creation under heaven when he fell, all things under his rule were also subjected to the corruption. His act of rebellion could have unleashed the wrath of God on the entire solar system. There is evidence of a great bombardment of the Earth in the Hadean period that could have destroyed the surface of the Earth, erasing what terrestrial flora and fauna that may have been present in that early pristine world.

The "sons of God" and the "morning stars" (Job 38:4-7) would abandon their earthly habitation. If there were other forms of life on the planet's surface they would have perished and the Earth would have become uninhabitle. In the aftermath of the destruction, those lifeforms that eventually arose would have the sentence of death upon them. Their fossilized remains are the testimony, written in stone, of life's struggle under that sentence across the geologic ages afterwards.

Scientists use the term Evolution to describe the observed progress of life forms on this planet as revealed in the fossil record. Darwin called it the survival of the fittest, and it does appear that more and more complex organisms took their place on the stage of history, but they did so by killing and adapting to the struggle against death. The dinosaurs came and went. All things died, and those creatures that came after them also died. So it continued across millenniums of historical time until the spirit of death overtook all things, including the stars across the universe. A few million years ago coldness and darkness began to increase. It was the onset of what we call the beginning of the last Ice Age, and it is the universe's eventual cold, dark, and completely dead condition that the Spirit describes in the words of the time period of Genesis 1:2.

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
(Genesis 1:2 KJV)

oglalasioux:


Very sincere answer. Forget about my country Nigeria. We are lost already. My only hope is that you south Africans will see the usefulness of the white man until you are capable of handling things yourself.

What is my ultimate point? My point is that we blacks are down the rung of the intellectual evolutionary process. If you will be patient enough to go through the beginning of this thread you'll find out why I posited that the black man has a problem.

The OP was of the opinion that it's the devil that manufacture luxurious commodities. The argument started off because I pointed out his error in that statement; while the white man is making things easier people like the OP are accusing them of being in league with the devil. But he's using the internet manufactured by the white man in league with the devil.

I'm proud of my African heritage (not proud of being a Nigerian). But that cannot stop me from stating the obvious.

We are handling things ourselves...south Africa is governed by ANC policies,white people are sitting on the opposition benches opposing every good development the black man is bringing in,they don't want to see blacks achieving greater things thats why they denied us quality education during the apartheid regime...we are in the 21th century,the time of selling black children to the west for slavery is over...we can do like them,that's all.

oglalasioux:


I've not been to Botswana too but I know the history of white man's stay in Africa. Look at the pattern; where the white man was allowed to live in peace the land prospered example Botswana you mentioned. But how about Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Zimbabwe and West Africa where they were railroaded away forcefully? You answer me. Johannesburg wouldn't have been like New York if the white man left south Africa in 1960.

Gabarone today after gaining independence in 1966

MduZA:


We are handling things ourselves...south Africa is governed by ANC policies,white people are sitting on the opposition benches opposing every good development the black man is bringing in,they don't want to see blacks achieving greater things thats why they denied us quality education during the apartheid regime...we are in the 21th century,the time of selling black children to the west for slavery is over...we can do like them,that's all.

Good one. I clicked like in both posts. But bro, you already answered an important question I asked you earlier; whose expertise is used in the building of these infrastructures? If you say black people I'll still ask you who taught them? You say apartheid denied Africans education. Whose education? Why didn't Africans develop their own education but still learned the white man's? We live at their mercy any day anytime.

I live in Australia, and we don't really have problems with hunger or disease or war, at least not currently. Most of us in the white world think we're too big to fall. But as the world gets more and more overpopulated, more people, including those in the West, will start to fight for the resources that are being kept from them by the big corporations and corporate sponsored governments.

In Europe there is a lot of dissent. People are starting to rise up against the governments. Western civilisation is being weakened through bad management. Our countries are being swamped with foreign immigrants. European natives are being forced out of their homes to make way for refugees, who hate European culture and rape white women.

So already Western civilisation is starting to fall. But this doesn't mean the end of the world at all. Simply, other cultures will come to dominate the world in the coming decades.

oglalasioux:


Good one. I clicked like in both posts. But bro, you already answered an important question I asked you earlier; whose expertise is used in the building of these infrastructures? If you say black people I'll still ask you who taught them? You say apartheid denied Africans education. Whose education? Why didn't Africans develop their own education but still learned the white man's? We live at their mercy any day anytime.

Do you even know that there are technicians,builders etc who don't have education but are excelling in their jobs...?education started somewhere in the ancient Egypt,go and make research,education was not invented by the whites as you claim..am telling you that in an south African context the apartheid regime denied black people quality education because they did not want to be outshined by blacks,meaning blacks are also capable of doing wonders...by the way you and I will never have consensus on this topic because we grew up in two different countries,you have done mathematics at school in English,I did it in my own language which is isiZulu.

oglalasioux:


Crime, HIV and AIDS has made south Africa a joke from what it used to be. Corruption is creeping into the south African government. 99 percent of the infrastructure in south Africa was built by the apartheid regimes. Google can help you with the rest information you wish to know.

The simple truth; the black man is not capable of governing himself. Maybe in another 100 years but as of today I agree with Donald Trump; black Africa should be re colonized.

Bro, it's better to keep quiet if you don't know something rather than embarass yourself, if crime has made my country a joke, what has it made yours? Everyone around the world assumes a Nigerian to be a criminal, your criminal antics are known the world over, your countrymen are languishing in the jails of Vietnam and Cambodia, and you come and tell us crime!! Why do you think your country has such a bad image abroad? Please spare us the righteous bull..

If really 99 percent of the infrastructure is from the apartheid era, how do you then explain the new roads, ports, stadiums, airports, houses, hospitals etc? The likes of Mafikeng and Soweto are close to being considered cities now. Do you even know what infrastructure is? Or have you even been to South Africa?

There is this annoying recuring theme amongst Nigerians of over-praising or over worshiping white people as if they are some kind of gods, it's really sad and pathetic listening to people saying they want to be re-colonised in the 21st century, this mentality will forever keep you in the backfoot

Yapping about Aids is both tired, childish and downright boring, unless there's no Aids in your country or the world over for that matter, you really have no mouth to talk

Nice one. I have come to understand that the Bible is not a religious book, it is a 33 degree knowledge given to the modern races.

No matter how powerful or bright light is, light will always be subserviant to Darkness. The modern society has manipulated people's mind into thinking darkness is to be feared, when in reality, Darkness is the Original light.
Without darkness, there can never be light. Darkness is an electromagnetic compound called Ether. Just like sound can never be heard without air, so is it that light can not travel with ether. Yet, this ether again exist within another darkness, into anothet darkness.
This ether is what covers the body of the African person, and from the African person, all other nations came out from "From one blood, all nations".

Ethereal- - Ether- - Ethic- - Ethiopic- - Ethiopia- - Utopia. We can all checkup the meaning on internet or dictionary.

Truely, there is a gap between Gen 1:1 and 1:2. It is in the trillions upon trillions of accurate years, not the gregorian years which is very wrong; I guessed or better understood that, that was the darkness you were refering to.
By using our sight correctly here on this planet, According to this modern reading of time, one complete cycle of time, sunrise to sunset and sunrise again is 1 day; that is not one day, it is not even 1 hour yet. For earth to complete one original full cycle around the sun will take 54 years.
We are lacking the sense of time in this civilization.

spinna:
Bible already says this, between Genesis 1.1 and 1.2 a pre Adamite civilisation existed, however God promised Noah that he would never again destroy the earth or mankind...

The Pre-Adamite World and the Ancient Origin of Satan, a.k.a. Lucifer

The Ancient World

"And the earth was ..." (Genesis 1:2)

As stated previously at the start of this study, at Genesis 1:2 the reader is confronted with the first mystery of the Holy Scriptures; a mystery which, when fully understood, reveals why the ancient geologic fossil record is fairly accurate and why the account of the literal seven 24-hour days of Genesis one is a regeneration of the heaven and the Earth and not the original creation. Let's quickly review the specifics:

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
(Genesis 1:2 KJV)

"For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
(2 Pet 3:5-7 KJV)

In Genesis 1:2 the Earth is said to be a lifeless and uninhabited planet, drifting in the cold and darkness of the chaotic remains of the old universe. The planet is submerged in water, and waters also rage around it and across a ruined universal abyssal. As you study the root word definitions and the English translation of the KJV Bible, a picture emerges of a former world that once existed on the Earth, but now is totally destroyed and dead. Taking the words of the Bible at face value and reading the verses objectively, several facts become clear:

1) The context and time placement of Genesis 1:2 is one verse BEFORE God says, "Let there be light" (Genesis 1:3), where He begins the creative process of the famous seven days.

2) Before God says, "let there be light" (Genesis 1:3) there are already things present that must have been previously created. Specifically, there is water composed of hydrogen and oxygen, there is the Earth composed of myriads of elements and compounds and in a solid form recognizable as a planet which has already been assigned a proper name.

3) Third, and very important, there is something else already present at this time: DARKNESS! And it's not just physical darkness (an absence of light) but also spiritual darkness (the absence of holiness and harmony).

When all these facts are taken into account, the following inescapable truths stand out:

a) The planet Earth and a ruined universe were already in existence before the creative process of Genesis 1:3 through 1:31 even begins. Earth had already existed for an unspecified period of historical time.

b) The physics of time, space, and matter are already established, which by extension means that the processes which regulate radioactive decay (the half-life principle) are also functioning and valid.

c) At some undetermined time in history past, Death and the powers of darkness first came into being, and this happened before the seven days and before the creation of the man, Adam.

In essence, what the Scriptures are collectively saying is this:

Long ago, in very distant times past, the Lord God first created the heaven and Earth (Genesis 1:1). But when the heaven and Earth are spoken of in Genesis 1:2, it is in a ruined and lifeless state. There is a vast gap in historical time between those two verses of the Bible; a gap on the order of possibly a few billion years. In Genesis 1:1 we have a glorious heaven and Earth, but in 1:2 we see a decimated heaven and Earth. The bulk of the geologic column fits in-between verses 1:1 and 1:2, and the geologic time marker at Genesis 1:2 is at the very end of the Pleistocene. The end of the Pleistocene (about 13,000 to 10,000 years ago) shows evidence of a global extinction event and a severe drop in global temperatures. We will elaborate further in following chapters.

So what exactly happened during this great gap of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, and why? Why was Death already in existence before the seven days and before Adam sinned? For clues to that answer we must look to the writings of the prophets Isaiah and Ezekiel. There, in the prophetic Scriptures, the Holy Ghost spoke through these men concerning the ancient origin of Satan, which is the key doctrine to unlocking this great mystery.

What the Spirit of Truth Reveals in the Words of Truth

In the passages below the prophets are speaking against the "king of Babylon" (Isaiah 14:4) and the "prince of Tyrus" (Ezekiel 28:2) who were renown mortal men of history. Prophetically, the Spirit is also addressing a man yet to come, the antichrist (see 2 Thessalonians 2:1-10). However, it is clearly evident from the content that the Holy Ghost is also speaking here against a spirit being; an ancient, unholy, and malevolent spirit that motivated the evil deeds of these historical and mortal men:

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;"
(Isaiah 14:12-16 KJV)

"Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee."
(Ezekiel 28:13-17 KJV)

The words highlighted in red speak of things that could not possibly be attributed to the actual acts of any human king or prince. No man in history has ever "walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire" or "fallen from heaven."

The name "Lucifer" means "light bearer" or "brightness" in the Hebrew sense of the word. This creature was the first steward over the Kingdom of Heaven in the day when the Lord God created the heaven and Earth (Genesis 1:1). It is important to understand that the "Kingdom of Heaven" is not something that just begins with the Gospels of the New Testament. The saga for the control and Kingship of the "Kingdom of Heaven" is the Bible's core theme, from Genesis through Revelation. The geography of this Kingdom is from the surface of the Earth below and up to all things within the bounds of the firmament of heaven. The topic of the Kingdom will be discussed more in depth in a later chapter.

The start of this Kingdom begins back in ancient times when the Lord God first created the heaven and the Earth, as we are instructed in the book of Job:

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
(Job 38:4-7 KJV)

At the ancient time of the original creation there was spiritual harmony and continuity throughout the newly created physical world of the Kingdom of Heaven. Physical matter and spirit were one under the stewardship of Lucifer, this anointed cherub. Being "anointed" indicates he held an office similar to the anointed High Priests of Israel. The mention of Lucifer's covering in an array of nine (9) precious stones and gold is further suggestive of that comparison. These are not the exact same twelve (12) stones that the High Priest of Israel wore on his Breastplate, but the similarities of such a covering signify that Lucifer was a priestly ruler over the old world of those ancient times. He was second only to the Lord God in power and authority over the realm of the whole Kingdom. Lucifer was a created being, created by God to serve Him as ruler of the Kingdom and leader of worship to the Lord. But he was not satisfied with his glorious appointed station over all things in the Kingdom and eventually desired to be as God himself: "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."

Lucifer rebelled and transgressed against the Lord God and became the first created being to sin. Lucifer sinned a long, long time ago before Adam or his world was even created. The earliest (thus first) documented sin (and documented in the Holy Scriptures we should add) occurred countless eons ago. It certainly happened sometime before the Cambrian geologic period (about 500 -600 million years ago), because that is where we see an explosion of well-developed life forms in the fossil record. Things that are alive don't leave remains UNTIL they DIE. The Cambrian Explosion marks where multiple very complex life forms first began to appear and die in the Earth's fossil record of geologic natural history.

GU Timescale from Cambrian

But the sudden appearance of the remains of extremely complex life forms does not mean ancient life forms (and death) were only as old as the Cambrian times. There is evidence of less complex, multi-cellular life from over two billion years ago, long before the Cambrian. And those newly discovered creatures are a totally different breed from what is found in the Cambrian fossils. And their metabolic system was certainly different, as well. If they lived over two billion years ago, it was before the Great Oxygenation Event at a time when sulfur reducers were at work on the early Earth.

The mystery of ancient life (and death) is further veiled by another geologic mystery called the "Great Unconformity" which is found globally. Essentially, it reveals that millions of years of Earth's geologic record went missing before onset of the Cambrian. One place on Earth where the Great Unconformity can be observed is within the Grand Canyon in the United States.

Great Unconformity in Grand Canyon

If you look at the different ages of the rock layers, both below and above the line of the Great Unconformity, you will note that the hiatus of deposition spans millions of years. It is like the surface of the Earth had been scoured flat and new depositions did not resume until much, much later in geologic time. Clearly, whatever caused this global event was unprecedented and remains a scientific mystery.

There is also geologic evidence that suggests the Earth was frozen over completely at the end of the Precambrian, as well. Since the 1960s, scientists have hypothesized that the Earth was subjected to severe glacial action between about 750 million and 580 million years ago. This is called the Snowball Earth hypothesis and it has been proposed to explain a number of observations in the geological record and was so severe that the Earth's oceans completely froze over at that time.

So, how are these events directly connected to the Cambrian Explosion? Some scientists today are postulating that the Great Unconformity was somehow the geologic trigger for the Cambrian explosion. Is it a coincidence that following the Snowball Earth the continents began to break apart? At that time in Earth's history the world's continental landmass was locked together in the configuration of a supercontinent called "Rodinia" that was clustered near the Earth's equator. This sequence of events: Millions of years of missing geologic record, a super Ice Age, the Cambrian Explosion of well-developed life and the breakup of Rodinia all point to the same vector in geologic deep-time. The events of that ancient vector, and the changes they wrought upon the ancient Earth, may have been a domino effect that was precipitated by Lucifer's rebellion and God's wrath upon Lucifer's earthly domain. This does not necessarily mean that Lucifer fell at this specific point in ancient time. That point in deep-time could have been even earlier - back as far as 4.5 billion years ago, or more. We can not determine this for sure from the existing geologic record.

There are no known geologic formations on the Earth that predate 4.5 billion years. The oldest confirmed mineral sample found, so far, is a zircon crystal that dates to 4.38 billion years. And, as mentioned on our page concerning the Ancient Earth, that crystal was formed in water.

Allow me to digress for a minute and inject some parenthetical thoughts for your consideration. Make note of the association of Lucifer with the "stones of fire," and keep in mind that "fire" can be a physical and/or spiritual component:

"And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain [was] full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha."
(2 Kings 6:17 KJV)

"And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed."
(Exodus 3:2 KJV)

"And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and [there were] seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God."
(Revelation 4:5 KJV)

"For our God [is] a consuming fire."
(Hebrews 12:29 KJV)

The Earth was certainly a very different of kind world back in the days when God first created it. It may have had water and vegetation on the surface in the days when the "sons of God" inhabitated the Earth.

In the Hebrew language concordance, the word for the stones spoken of as the "stones of fire" is eben eh'-ben, which suggests that these stones were more akin to building blocks or masonry than to natural rocks or burning volcanic brimstone. I believe this is significant, as it may be telling us that this covering cherub, Lucifer, was in the setting of some sort of spiritual structure of fire. Could this have been a "Temple of fire" on the ancient Earth? This Lucifer also had a covering of diverse gemstones similar to the breastplate of gemstones worn by the High Priests of the tabernacle and the temple in Old Testament times. Are these similarities a coincidence?

Regardless, with his initial act of sin and rebellion, Death and corruption was introduced into the physical cosmos. It could be at this point in deep-time that Entropy began. It started in Eden, the "Garden of God" on the Earth, and spread like a cancer. Because Lucifer was the steward of the whole creation under heaven when he fell, all things under his rule were also subjected to the corruption. His act of rebellion could have unleashed the wrath of God on the entire solar system. There is evidence of a great bombardment of the Earth in the Hadean period that could have destroyed the surface of the Earth, erasing what terrestrial flora and fauna that may have been present in that early pristine world.

The "sons of God" and the "morning stars" (Job 38:4-7) would abandon their earthly habitation. If there were other forms of life on the planet's surface they would have perished and the Earth would have become uninhabitle. In the aftermath of the destruction, those lifeforms that eventually arose would have the sentence of death upon them. Their fossilized remains are the testimony, written in stone, of life's struggle under that sentence across the geologic ages afterwards.

Scientists use the term Evolution to describe the observed progress of life forms on this planet as revealed in the fossil record. Darwin called it the survival of the fittest, and it does appear that more and more complex organisms took their place on the stage of history, but they did so by killing and adapting to the struggle against death. The dinosaurs came and went. All things died, and those creatures that came after them also died. So it continued across millenniums of historical time until the spirit of death overtook all things, including the stars across the universe. A few million years ago coldness and darkness began to increase. It was the onset of what we call the beginning of the last Ice Age, and it is the universe's eventual cold, dark, and completely dead condition that the Spirit describes in the words of the time period of Genesis 1:2.

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
(Genesis 1:2 KJV)

spinna
Well put.

Mduza
That first photo you posted as Gaborone is Nairobi, Kenya’s Capital
Here is a wider view:

[img]http://amungaphotography.files./2010/08/entire-sunset-blog-copy.jpg[/img]

Muafrika2:
spinna
Well put.

Mduza
That first photo you posted as Gaborone is Nairobi, Kenya’s Capital
Here is a wider view:

[img]http://amungaphotography.files./2010/08/entire-sunset-blog-copy.jpg[/img]

True,actually both pictures...I wanted to post something like this