bokohalal:
Yorubas can hold unto their spurious version since it massages their ego. They should allow the Edos to also hold on to their own more truthful version. It is not by population or education. It is the facts that matter.
O da ro.

No one cares about Edo. Do not interchange Edo and Bini. Edo is what you have for.your land, no one disputes that with you. Your monarchy is a Yoruba throne, its called Bini to separate from whatever monarchy you had prior to Oranmiyan's arrival.in Edo.
Bini is a marker for the new dynasty, a pedigree of Yoruba State Rulers, given the title OmonOba, to distinguish separately from Oba.

OmonOba Erediuwa had a identity conflict. He wont be first nor last.

Look, the English monarchy had to distant from their German root and drop their pedigree from Battenberg in order not.to create a political storm that could consume their English hereditary.

You can write epistle and deny in media who your King is, you cannot and will not reverse the deeds of authority installed over you by Yoruba. Its a done deal!

bokohalal:


I understand your problem now.

I don't have any, I'm only trying to ferret what you may be trying to suppress from the world go.

There is an OGIAMIEN family in Benin City.
After the banishment of Ekaladerhan, there was a period of republicanism and Evian was chosen to administer the affairs of the kingdom. On his death, his son took over and the Binis revolted that the family was not of royal blood. A search for the banished Ekaladerhan led them to Ife where he now resided and reigned as Oduduwa.

Heard the above before?

Why did you ask me if I've heard that before? Did I asked you if you've heard of Oduduwa before? Is it a new thing or a propaganda that has limited circulation?

Why not point me to the source of the story so I can read it myself, or is the source to be found in the mind of the king?

Where did you get this story from?

Do you want to come see where Evian had performed a heroic feat that made the people to appoint him the head of the Kingdom?
Oliha family is still there.
The site of the Palace of the Ogisos is still there.

Good, get the site excavated and then determine the age of the landmark, correspond it with the Gregorian calendar and establish the era of Ekaladerhan.

Or are you saying that the Ogisos never existed?

Have I said that anywhere?

E
History was oral and has been from time in Benin and most of Africa. That the Yoruba wrote their version down before the Edos did due to western education getting there first does not and should not suppress a more verifiable Edo version of same event.

The Yoruba did not have contact with the West before the Edos, who sends ambassadors to be trained in Portugal as early as Portugal came on shore of west Africa.

The Yoruba were telling their stories, it has nothing to do with Esogian or Edo family except where maybe they confused Oba Ado for Oba of Bini.

From what you people were doing here, I've seen Oba Ado to be the king of my homeland, a contemporary of Yeye Oduduwa.

What story was told the Portuguese about Bini history? And if she has been great empire from creation, what are to be found littering her lithurgy?

"No to who first reach Police station dem dey take win case " is a popular Nigerian Pidgin proverb.

Who are you competing with, why compete your history with anyone? It becomes a weapon if you are just waking up.

Am I competing for the glorious Igodomigodo with you? That's because it's your pristine historical identity.

OPCNAIRALAND:


No one cares about Edo. Do not interchange Edo and Bini. Edo is what you have for.your land, no one disputes that with you. Your monarchy is a Yoruba throne, its called Bini to separate from whatever monarchy you had prior to Oranmiyan's arrival.in Edo.
Bini is a marker for the new dynasty, a pedigree of Yoruba State Rulers, given the title OmonOba, to distinguish separately from Oba.

You made a salient point there, you know what? Ifa has the answer to what is going on now as to these people's claims:

It's set to Irosun,

and it says,

bomode kan njeewo banwi

boba nbiyin, ejoo re.

Oun tii bini a maa bini

Eewo asi bere wo.

OPCNAIRALAND:
^^^
Dude,
Stop wasting people's time. Tell your palace officials to hush, when it comes to Yoruba they are no match.

Until you can articulate a greatness for Bini that is not in anyway attached with Ife, you have failed to convince me of your claims and postulations....

Please o what made Ife great? What territories were conquered by Ife?

Benin empire I know,Oyo empire I know. Never heard about Ife empire. Please explain.

What made the Ife great?

OPCNAIRALAND:
OmonOba Erediuwa had a identity conflict. He wont be first nor last.

Look, the English monarchy had to distant from their German root and drop their pedigree from Battenberg in order not.to create a political storm that could consume their English hereditary.

You can write epistle and deny in media who your King is, you cannot and will not reverse the deeds of authority installed over you by Yoruba. Its a done deal!

Your kings are the ones with identity crisis,please take bini out of your trashy,nonsense history.
You people are inferior and not worth been part of.

gentleheart1:


Your kings are the ones with identity crisis,please take bini out of your trashy,nonsense history.
You people are inferior and not what been part of.

How do Yoruba kings have identity crisis? Explain.

gentleheart1:


Please o what made Ife great? What territories were conquered by Ife?

Benin empire I know,Oyo empire I know. Never heard about Ife empire. Please explain.

What made the Ife great?

You dont need a conquest to be great. Ife is a spiritual center, not a political one but from this Oduduwa throne other great colonies and Empires were seeded, Bini amongst them. Ife was a centre of learning and authority in bronze art, Ife the city of palisades, back in the dark ages of knowledge in Africa, Ife already established an independent civilization, art, cult and urbanism found only among states of the Mediterranean sea. .

What else do you need to be great?

OPCNAIRALAND:


You dont need a conquest to be great. Ife is a spiritual center, not a political one but from this Oduduwa throne other great colonies and Empires were seeded, Bini amongst them. Ife was a centre of learning and authority in bronze art, Ife the city of palisades, back in the dark ages of knowledge in Africa, Ife already established an independent civilization, art, cult and urbanism found only among states of the Mediterranean sea. .

What else do you need to be great?

Lol bunch of losers and you where asking what other places were conquered by the bini kingdom apart from Yoruba meanwhile your Ife didn't even conquer nowhere.

Remove the log in your eye before you try doing same to another person.

That reminds me what territories were conquered by the Yorubas?? None of significance I know of so please hush about your Yoruba,stop feeling important when you are not.

Isn't it ironic and shameful that Ile-Ife that you all praise and claim that's the cradle of the Yoruba race was never an empire, that leads to my conclusion Ile Ife was obviously under the bini kingdom.

gentleheart1:


Lol bunch of losers and you where asking what other places were conquered by the bini kingdom apart from Yoruba meanwhile your Ife didn't even conquer nowhere.

Remove the log in your eye before you try doing same to another person.

That reminds me what territories were conquered by the Yorubas?? None of significance I know of so please hush about your Yoruba,stop feeling important when you are not.

Isn't it ironic and shameful that Ile-Ife that you all praise and claim that's the cradle of the Yoruba race was never an empire, that leads to my conclusion Ile Ife was obviously under the bini kingdom.

I will leave your unintelligent argument open for your brothers with intelligence and grasp on history to reflect upon.

macof:


. Ok, I hope you realize that Unknown to Bini traditions, Oranmiyan is actually Oduduwa's youngest child. .. he had elder siblings establish dynasties like the Alaketu, Olowu, Awujale, Ewi, Ila Orangun, Deji/Ajaponda, Olowo, Elekole, Ajero, Alara etc

so if Ranking is strictly by order of birth then Ila Orangun should come first as Oduduwa's first son, or maybe Olowu of Owu-Ipole as the first child (actually a grandchild) to receive a crown, or maybe Alaketu by being the son of Oduduwa's favorite wife, or by dynasty's strength it would go to Alaafin as head of the oyo empire

so come again on how omo n'oba n'edo is first among Obas

I was done with this thead but to correct one grave error that Macof and Yoruba people make which goes to do further justice to the Edo argument.
Oranmiyan has consistently been said by the Binis to be the youngest of Oduduwa's children so much so that the people called him OMONOYAN. A term that is usually used, contemptuously or affectionately, of the last and most spoiled child in a family.

bokohalal:


Yoruba greatness is due to its early foray into Western education. They even created the textbook Oyo empire whereas Benin Empire had exchanged ambassadors with European nations in the 17th century . Even today, a country's greatness and influence can be measured by the number of consular and cultural offices globally.
The number of non-Bini ethnic groups and places that claim founding by Benin is unrivaled. Only Egypt surpass Benin in that regard in our region.
Just go to a little corner and try think out how to whittle down Benin's greatness. Ife, Oyo, all of Yorubaland cannot come close to our historical achievement. Others have tried and died trying.
If Oba of Benin is Yoruba, then he is first. If he is not, leave Benin out of your miserable numbering . Count only Yoruba Obas.
And all I know about Ife begins with Ekaladerhan.

What are you saying? Yoruba and Benin who made the earliest contact with the Europeans?

alfredolski:

What are you saying? Yoruba and Benin who made the earliest contact with the Europeans?

Obviously the Benins......dont argue that

alfredolski:

What are you saying? Yoruba and Benin who made the earliest contact with the Europeans?

Bini was discovered by the Portuguese, who learnt about the greatness of Yoruba from Bini and the Fon.

I really wish Bini discovered Portugal.

absoluteSuccess:


Bini was discovered by the Portuguese, who learnt about the greatness of Yoruba from Bini and the Fon.

I really wish Bini discovered Portugal.

Hehe. There was no "Yoruba " when the Portuguese were in Benin

bokohalal:


Hehe. There was no "Yoruba " when the Portuguese were in Benin

This is the only argument that made Bini "empire".

No Yoruba, just binu and Portugal that's all.

How great an empire.

I believe Ekaladerhan has not started building "Yoruba" at the time.

Hence your god forgot to tell the Portuguese about this your colony.

bokohalal:


Yoruba greatness is due to its early foray into Western education. They even created the textbook Oyo empire whereas Benin Empire had exchanged ambassadors with European nations in the 17th century . Even today, a country's greatness and influence can be measured by the number of consular and cultural offices globally.
The number of non-Bini ethnic groups and places that claim founding by Benin is unrivaled. Only Egypt surpass Benin in that regard in our region.
Just go to a little corner and try think out how to whittle down Benin's greatness. Ife, Oyo, all of Yorubaland cannot come close to our historical achievement. Others have tried and died trying.
If Oba of Benin is Yoruba, then he is first. If he is not, leave Benin out of your miserable numbering . Count only Yoruba Obas.
And all I know about Ife begins with Ekaladerhan.

I've been reading ur shameful attempt to save ur face. Yorubas now created oyo empire only in text books?
we are only great because we had western education first?
damn! u Bini people have big inferiority complex. u actually think westerners are ur Gods and Lords and must look to them to determine Greatness. ..
look how he enlists exchange with European opportunists as greatness

what cultural offices do you have? Pls who ever talks of Bini asides art historians? art you learnt from Ife

YOU should have said Bini Surpassed Rome oshi nla


Oba of Benin is 3rd. ..deal with it!
ghost of Ekaladerhan. ..don't go and look for the grave of ur lost prince in Ughotun

bokohalal:


I was done with this thead but to correct one grave error that Macof and Yoruba people make which goes to do further justice to the Edo argument.
Oranmiyan has consistently been said by the Binis to be the youngest of Oduduwa's children so much so that the people called him OMONOYAN. A term that is usually used, contemptuously or affectionately, of the last and most spoiled child in a family.

good for you. ..but just stop there before you start claiming Oranmiyan is a bini man called Omonoyan

macof:




I've been reading ur shameful attempt to save ur face. Yorubas now created oyo empire only in text books?
we are only great because we had western education first?
damn! u Bini people have big inferiority complex. u actually think westerners are ur Gods and Lords and must look to them to determine Greatness. ..
look how he enlists exchange with European opportunists as greatness

what cultural offices do you have? Pls who ever talks of Bini asides art historians? art you learnt from Ife

YOU should have said Bini Surpassed Rome oshi nla


Oba of Benin is 3rd. ..deal with it!
ghost of Ekaladerhan. ..don't go and look for the grave of ur lost prince in Ughotun

Hehe. I remember asking you to provide a 16th, 17th, even an 18th century map of West Africa with Oyo empire on it. You had produced a loud map of Africa made in the 21st century denoting Oyo.
I understand Yoruba dilemma. History of empire building is not on their side.
As for Yoruba kings hierarchy, the Odionwere of Benin Kingdom has answered. Others have joined in on the side of Benin. Any which way you look at it, Benin Empire and it's exploits are renowned, worldwide. Selling your own people to strangers does not make one an empire. Only in the pages of Yoruba history textbooks was Oyo made one.

bokohalal:


Hehe. I remember asking you to provide a 16th, 17th, even an 18th century map of West Africa with Oyo empire on it. You had produced a loud map of Africa made in the 21st century denoting Oyo.
I understand Yoruba dilemma.

Would the marcators of that time put in place an unexplored hinterland of that time they haven't contacted?

They can only put in their maps places they have contacted. But does this contact mean you are great and others don't even exist?

So, you were contacted by the gods first? That makes you an empire. People who were not contacted did not have history. Your history seems nested in European contact.

So, your glory is to be found on the pages of european advent in west Africa, then why argued with "Yoruba textbook greatness" when it is the same "textbook greatness" you covets?

History of empire building is not on their side.

Because Europeans did not make a map or had any contact with them in Ferdinand Magellan travels.

As for Yoruba kings hierarchy, the Odionwere of Benin Kingdom has answered. Others have joined in on the side of Benin. Any which way you look at it, Benin Empire and it's exploits are renowned, worldwide.

Ovonramwen Nogbaisi.

Tell us the tale of origin of bini that is not entangled with Yoruba history, thence it would be clear you are not an old suzerainty of Yoruba trying to sever relationship following the era of gay activism.

Don't tell me your history must always invoke Yoruba to be valuable. Tell me something about the era of Ogiso that is crystal clear to you.

What tradition from Bini was renowned to the world?

Selling your own people to strangers does not make one an empire. Only in the pages of Yoruba history textbooks was Oyo made one.

You change your standards over and over, when they put you in their maps, make exchange with your people and civilize you, it's renowned to you.

When they devastated another group, they became strangers, so why celebrate strangers?




Are they closer kin to you than your kindreds of the same race? The west didn't contacted you because your country was noised abroad.

But because your country is porous and can be crushed within record distance from the coast, by a stronger power.

Yours would have been the capital in Yoruba antiquity, but the ancestors moved forward and situated Ife or Oyo outside the littoral region to protect the Yoruba race.

Edo is supreme. Edo is like the founder of most tribes in the Niger Delta like itsekiri, isoko, urhobo, okpe, n co

[b]My simple questions for the Benins will be:

How long did a runaway price from Benin take to walk from Benin to Ife (Probably 3 months).
How did he survive without food and water for this period?
How can a man so dirty and tired after walking for months, be able to convince the people in Ife, he came from the sky (A better place lol)?
What language did their prince speak to the Yoruba's in Ife when he got there and how were they able to understand?
How did the Benin know that their prince was alive in Yorubaland?

If the Benin claim they own the OBA title, Why did they have to change from Ogiso Dynasty to a new Oba Dynasty?
If you believe that Oduduwa was a prince from Ogiso, there should be no reason for the Dynasty change, you guys would have continued with the Ogiso.....

My Opinion is that, the Benin knew that the was no royal Male blood to carry on from the last Ogiso Dynasty. The was serious trouble in the Kingdom, so they called for help from their closest Spiritual/Prosperous Ife people to send a Royal male to impregnate their Royal princess, so the kingship could continue (Since kingship is from the Male blood line).

Unfortunately, Since a new Male Royal Blood from Ife arrived, they had to change Dynasty from Ogiso to Obaship.
End of Story[/b]

lanwrex:
Rubbish..... How Dz one go change d price of sachet water back to #5

Ask your tourist president how traveling all over the globe has helped to improve our economy

Binis are superior to yorubas anytime any day.

I did not see a conclusion in this write up sha

everyone is great in his own yard...

I guess by your logic, the Oba Idahome of Benin republic is not a Yoruba oba too...I love your poetry by the way

orisa37:
Oduduiwa is still living, just like Jesus lives.Oduduiwa is Omo Olodumare, just like Jesus is The Born Son of I am That I am. The only difference between Jesus Christ and Oduduiwa is that while Jesus was born right here on earth before our very eyes by The Holy Spirit, Oduduiwa was a Nephilim(manufactured complete Son of God in Heaven) dropped at Ile Ife as a Species of Omo Olodumare. God moulded Adam from clay. He formed Eve(Efa) from rib. He produced Nephilims(sons of God) of different colors to intermingle with daughters of men, intermarry and procreate. This is the life of Yoruba Nephilim called Oduduiwa. Yoruba land springs from the source of River Niger in the present Kebbi State, down to the Confluence and straight down to the Creek in Bayelsa State. As for those claiming to be fathers and mothers of Yoruba, time will tell. I have said before that ODU means BONDS, COVENANT and HEAVEN. IWA means CHARACTER, CULTURE and EARTH. Also ODU is GOD IN HEAVEN and IWA is OBA ON EARTH.

What is dis one saying?

Lolz...funny thread

Abeg which village the writer come from, cos I still can't hold on to a fact in his writeup

bokohalal:


Yoruba greatness is due to its early foray into Western education. They even created the textbook Oyo empire whereas Benin Empire had exchanged ambassadors with European nations in the 17th century . Even today, a country's greatness and influence can be measured by the number of consular and cultural offices globally.
The number of non-Bini ethnic groups and places that claim founding by Benin is unrivaled. Only Egypt surpass Benin in that regard in our region.
Just go to a little corner and try think out how to whittle down Benin's greatness. Ife, Oyo, all of Yorubaland cannot come close to our historical achievement. Others have tried and died trying.
If Oba of Benin is Yoruba, then he is first. If he is not, leave Benin out of your miserable numbering . Count only Yoruba Obas.
And all I know about Ife begins with Ekaladerhan.

Dude what you have is Omo n Oba in Bini and like the writer also pointed out, the story of Bini can never be told without a reference to Ile Ife.

Just pointing out the obvious