Happy Sunday all.

I have been having this experience spontaneously since I was a child. What do you think of it?

This is the worst place to ask that question.
There is no knowledge that is not power. Look for this book

lol! What makes you say that? Thanks for the material.

Hello,

Nice Thread, especially for a scientist. I too, have had such experiences for a long time. What exactly do you want to know?

LoJ:
Hello,

Nice Thread, especially for a scientist. I too, have had such experiences for a long time. What exactly do you want to know?

What are you thinking while having these experiences? Do you feel happy or just normal etc?

SidL:
Happy Sunday all.

I have been having this experience spontaneously since I was a child. What do you think of it?

It is proof that we are immortal spiritual beings, and need no religion or belief system to transit to the afterlife.

Rossikki:
What are you thinking while having these experiences? Do you feel happy or just normal etc?

First time(s) fear and anguish. Some curiosity too. But this in turn prevents deep experiences.
The other you are quite normal, depending also on what you experience. People are usually afraid of the unknown. So the more an experience is a mystery, the more they are likely to be afraid, and the shorter that experience will be.

But as far as I am concerned, I encourage nobody to train in occult techniques to learn in Astral projection and similar issues, without adequate guidance. Not because they are bad per se, but there are always dangers associated with any spiritual practice and as such, one should be able to avoid them or receive help when necessary.

The best is to grow spiritualy by learning to love others, and those things shall come naturally, and unforced. When they are natural, they are safe.

Edited on the 3rd of May 2017.

LoJ:

First time(s) fear and anguish. Some curiosity too. But this in turn prevents deep experiences.
The other you are quite normal, depending also on what you experience. People are usually afraid of the unknown. So the more an experience is a mystery, the more they are likely to be afraid, and the shorter that experience will be.

But as far as I am concerned, I encourage nobody to train in occult techniques to learn in Astral projection and similar issues. Not because they are bad per se, but they can be dangerous and should not be attempted out of curiosity.

The best is to grow spiritually by learning to love others, and those things shall come naturally, and unforced. When they are natural, they are safe.

How do you learn to love those who have seriously wronged you? It seems easier said than done.

Rossikki:


How do you learn to love those who have seriously wronged you? It seems easier said than done.

Hello Rossikki, thank You for your question.
First and foremost, we should not love people because they are kind to us or they provide us with one thing or the other. That is not true love.

When we start loving people irrespective of whether they are good to us or not, beneficial to us or detrimental, then we realize that we are not the center by which al is to be measured and judged.

This type of unconditional love springs from the revelation that in truth we are all one, different expressions of the same essence, all children deserving to be loved.

Simply put, it is not me against x but me and x together as one. And this is also the only way, never to loose a battle, even against those who presumably hate you.

Greetings.

SidL:
Happy Sunday all.

I have been having this experience spontaneously since I was a child. What do you think of it?

That's normal. I did when I was a child and lost ability. What a beautiful experience. Nothing else mattered to me back then. Enjoy.

LoJ:
Hello,

Nice Thread, especially for a scientist. I too, have had such experiences for a long time. What exactly do you want to know?

Hello LoJ,

I just realised by your question that I did not word the topic well. Done.
It's not really what I want to know of it so much as what I want to check to see of people's view points and experiences on the subject matter and so on. I am flattered that you think me a scientists. I doubt you'd say that if I stated the fact that my highest formal education is secondary school, and even at that I just barely got away with a pass on the science subjects.
...but thank you.

I'm glad to see that someone has had or does have the experiences and acknowledges it for what it is. I am still very curious as to the general perception of the 'phenomenon' in spite of today's...well, more enlightened society called Nigeria. I am looking into this natural occurrence or 'phenomenon' as a new method of Spiritual and Scientific inquiry. I strongly believe that once a fool-proof technique for out-of-body-experiences is perfected, readily replicable and of course, effortlessly inducible, humankind will experience growth and evolution in leaps and bounds beyond what is currently imagined. Why? Because "there are more things in 'heaven and earth', Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

There are two fundamental problems with humankind right now, which hinder its growth in and into grace and dignity. They are religion and methods of inquiry, science. Indeed these two are like brackets that encompass all things else. I do not need to take too much time to outline the inherent, self-evident problems that religion is causing. The Source of Creation, that which we casually refer to as 'God' is instead fashioned by almost all theologies/religions into the image and likeness of spiritually evolving Man itself rather than vice-versa, while they convince themselves otherwise. This... objective He-God is extremely problematic, emotionally fickle and very, very violent. How else do religions justify killing? How else do most fear-based religions weild such power and control over billions? How else is it possible that the human species has experienced no real spiritual evolution in millenia, despite attempts by many illuminates like Lao Tzu, Bhudda, Krishna, "Jesus", Muhammad, etc? Their enlightened teachings having been twisted and contorted such that most are merely shadows of themselves today.

Science on the hand has lost its original thrust as a method of inquiry. It is now wholly materialistic, a way of life, an end rather than a means to an end. Very few, if not all of its theories and laws have any relation whatsoever to truth of existence, and when such "laws" come close to truth, they are half-baked as to be equally false. The general attitude is "if my instruments cannot detect it, nor my eyes see it, then it's not real." Yet they spout one outrageous theory after another so much so that I am left wondering if science should not just be simply labelled a religion and its theories, theology. With the very same eyes which can clearly "see" that the railroad tracks meet on the horizon, they presume that empirical data is the "bread of life." In the example of the railroad track, they are enabled to know the truth of their never meeting on the horizon because they can walk the track, yet they will not consider what other illusions of nature they have fallen prey to simply because they cannot walk such 'tracks'.

Ideally, both parties should be a couple, sharing their completeness with each other, always proving the other, not disproving each other. The question now becomes, what is the way forward? It is my humble opinion, that the way forward is any means which enables each individual to adopt a perspective that allows questions to be irrefutably answered, for self. The means is non other than the ability to willfully separate from the body while it still lives, and become wholly mind. Out-of-body-experience.

Is it only a hand full of people who realise the benefit this will bring humankind? I wonder. Look at some benefits to both parties and by extension, to humankind:

Religions: No longer will a mass of individuals be required to..."take the preachers words and his holy books" as sacrosanct. Religions weild such ungodly power over the minds of people through their fear-teachings of a vengeful, jealous, volatile God who will cast them to hell to burn for all eternity. People are thus duped to conform to outrageous "truths." Hell will be self-proved through personal direct investigation which OOBEs afford, as a figment of our collective imagination, quite literally. The "astral frequencies of perception" are so fast that each our thoughts manifest instantly, and in effect, when people die and go to the "spirit land," they are immediately greeted by their belief system. The one who thinks it is a sinner winds up in a hell of its own imagining and stays there till they quite simply, change their thoughts on the matter and trust me, that happens very quickly, it is quite funny actually. This accounts for why people come back from an NDE with different, very subjective accounts of the "after life." Angels or Demons, 'pick ya poison'. lol!

In the 'mind realm' or astral realm there are equally all sorts of "heavens". Christian (Catholic, penticostal, methodists etc) heavens, Muslim heavens, Jewish heavens, this heaven and that heaven. All stay there, till they 'snap out of their consensus madness'. Anyone who has ever woken up inside their dreams and said "hey.......this is ain't real, cats don't have wings" is personally familiar with the effect of the scene just melting away, as proof of WHO exactly is doing the creating--self!
Through personal experience, we will be enabled to kiss the fear of hell goodbye and religion will thus die a natural death, for in its present form it does great, great disservice to us all. If you doubt me, look around you with sincere eyes. People are generally afraid of thinking for themselves and prefer someone else do so for them. Now they get to truly THINK.

Science: The 'empirical attitude' has its limitations. It's like coming to a party half way through and counting the drinks which remain and then call it fact. Scientists chase shadows. They will learn eventually, that by the time you can quantify a thing, the "magic" has already occurred. It is for this reason that most of its theories which are close to truth are only half way there. However, half truth is still no truth. If one conisders that matter is spirit coalesced, by the time you see matter, then the party is half way through. Matter is an effect and spirit is cause, and I do not mean that in a 'woo-woo' way. The scientist will be enabled to peer into the mysteries of creation, the WHY of things. She will see, no, she will KNOW exactly how God creates her universe and follow along attentively in the processes of the birth of matter from spirit and its journey back to spirit for repetition. Humankind will attain greater progress in technical advances, and have the capacity to utilise them responsibly. At this point we have iust toys really, and look how we use them, to maim and kill, rather than to grow together in grace, dignity and the spirit of discovery.

We will eventually discover that science and religion (philosophy) are two sides of the same coin and that the coin itself is 'God'. That God is both the greatest scientist and philosopher. If every individual can experience this for themselves as KNOWING rather than by the "preaching" or "memorise and regurgitate" model of learning we use today, both of which are intellectual rather than experiential in nature, would there be wars? Hunger amidst bounty? Suffering? Struggle?
These ills are our collective-consensus creations caused by lack of TRUTH on this world, not a guy called 'Devil'. That nonsense will no longer fly as people learn to take full responsibility for their thoughts, much less actions which manifest those thoughts, because God uses mind to create through thinking and since we and God IS one, we are ultimately the creators of our difficulties. This is fact to be experienced and known, not intellectualised, if I may.

The time is right for this mass discovery, for we are dragging our world to our hells in a hand-basket.

SidL:
...

Hello SidL,

Thank you for your post. I read it with some delight.

First and foremost, My apologies for the misunderstanding. I thought so because you intervened in a thread with the posture of a Specialist. So please excuse me. As far as I'm concerned, academics are of little relevance. I would consider myself an illetrate and quite troublesome student. Not that I disturb during courses, but I never did what the Teachers and Professors expected, and always asked out of topic and taboos questions

Now to the topic of Out of Body experience, I think your diagnosis is pertinent. But the solution you propose seems to me inadequate. Actually there exists simple methods to experience out of body experiences almost at will. There are at least 2 plants I know of that would induce anyone anytime in an Out of Body experience. These are documented facts, but it did not automatically prevent people to go beyond the biases of a one sided and dogmatic thinking.

It is not enough to experience an or many out of body experiences, to achieve some enlightenment. Sometimes reverse is even the case. Such experiences may rather harden religious minds.

There are great religious figures who had many authentic out of body experiences. But each time, they would think they are with Jesus, with Buddha, with Mohammed, etc. and those entities will be comforting their religious doctrines. There are many cases, which I'm sure you are aware of, so I will avoid mentionning names here. I personally had my first deep out of Body experience, as a core pentecostal believer. It did not make me more spiritual, it rather made me more religious. It gave further reasons to believe that the Bible is the Book written by God and that without being a pentecostal christian, you are certainly lost.

It is only after my heart was opened to and experienced the love of God, the beautiful wave of the universe, that it changed me upside down.

You know very well, that even in an out of body experience, our vision and our thinking, our understanding is limited by the maturity of our heart. In the same way that a child who is afraid alone in the dark, will see ghost all over his room when in fact there are none, people only see a reflection of what their heart is, whether in full day consciousness or in an out of body experience, until they reach a certain point.

Again, there are organizations teaching incantations and chants that allow people to soul travel, but at the same time the people practising it, get emprisoned (sometimes unaware of it) in an ethereal system/world created by their masters. At the end of the day, they are slaves, while believing to be enlightened.

The answer is not experiences. The answer is love.

This is my opinion and the fruit of my experience. People should feel free to criticize it, examine it, and reject it, if it does not resonate as true in their heart.

Greetings dear.

Rossikki:
It is proof that we are immortal spiritual beings, and need no religion or belief system to transit to the afterlife.

Proof positive indeed. Also, it can be a heck of a cure to the hell fire madness.

ifenes:


That's normal. I did when I was a child and lost ability. What a beautiful experience. Nothing else mattered to me back then. Enjoy.

Hello Ifenes, Two things stood out in your comment. That it was beautiful experience and that you lost it.

Indeed it IS a beautiful experience, no be for mouth, I must say. The type I like the most is the none-subjective one, what some refer to as 'real-time' OOBEs, and not the 'astral' sort. The ability to float around and fly around freely is priceless.

I remember as a five year old, I broke the tap in my neighbour's house when playing with kids there, actually it was already broken, it just came off when I wanted to use it, after all I was just five, how can I break a metal tap? I felt so guilty that I ran away to my place and went to bed. Next thing I knew, I had the urge to go back and did. When I got there, I met them debating who broke the tap because the water had been running ever since, to my dismay. I told them that it was me, but they ignored me. I believed that they were so upset with me and didn't want to speak with me or play with me any more. They suddenly rushed upstairs and I went along and still no one acknowledged my presence. What a treatment, I thought. I turned around and went home, and never went back there again, convinced I was not welcome.

Only later on in life did I realise, shit, they couldn’t see me! I also realised that at no point in that experience did I have a body, I was wholly Mind. As a kid, that was heartbreaking, but as an older kid, that was like whoa!

I think one of the reasons I never lost the ability was simply because I did not share it. How could I have when I couldn’t even tell the difference between when I was embodied or disembodied. Truly a beautiful experience that one, when considered in hindsight.

The kids today, they’re all doing it, constantly. They are not just aware of it. Sleep paralysis is evidence of it for at that point, most do not know they are already out of body albeit coincident to it. Redirecting thoughts away from the body in most cases completes the egress. Some kids wake up screaming from what they think are nightmares, along with parents pouring the “blood of Jesus,” into the fire without realising that the kid was merely out of body and busy creating thought forms without realising it. They’ve probably just watched something on television which imprinted. Who can blame parents? Most simply do not know any better.

I am stating the above merely for the record should someone need this info, that there is nothing to be worried about and the skill should be encouraged and nurtured, not stifled through innocent ignorance. If you ever dreamt, then you’ve left your body, and we 'dream' all the time.

LoJ:

First time(s) fear and anguish. Some curiosity too. But this in turn prevents deep experiences.
The other you are quite normal, depending also on what you experience. People are usually afraid of the unknown. So the more an experience is a mystery, the more they are likely to be afraid, and the shorter that experience will be.

But as far as I am concerned, I encourage nobody to train in occult techniques to learn in Astral projection and similar issues. Not because they are bad per se, but they can be dangerous and should not be attempted out of curiosity.

The best is to grow spiritualy by learning to love others, and those things shall come naturally, and unforced. When they are natural, they are safe.

Well said Loj. But I must disagree that is dangerous oh. Scary like you mentioned, yes, but dangerous, nah. What harm could come to someone who is in the most invulnerable state a being can be in. Or do you perhaps mean with regards to not making it back to the body? I have had "terrible" experiences but they stopped the moment I realised I was the one creating them.

LoJ:

Hello SidL,

LOL'ing @ posture of a specialist. Thanks again LoJ. I do however know my Natural Law/Cosmogony though, inside-out. I can thus at least tell fact from fallacy, that's all.
Not asking those 'pesky taboo-lous' questions is the reason why many cannot or will not think for themselves. Sometimes I dream I have authority of sorts, one of my first 'targets' would be 'education'. It is better to teach students how to think, not tell then what to think—big difference!

My apologies for my late response, it's been a busy week. On your cue I did look up plants which induce OOBEs. Perhaps you might like to list them if you have the information handy. The ones I encountered as well as from reading of people's experiences on their usage manifests one of the inherent problems with OOBEs, especially for 'initiates', if I may use that term with sounding over-confident. All their experiences are subjective personal consensus realities, not far removed from a dream state, expect that they have more of their 'waking awareness' present in the experience. There is also the issue of inconsistent results. No, such now and then experiences cannot void biases and dogma indeed, a consistent investigation of perception away from the body, however, may aid in curing a life-time of indoctrination.

I thus agree with you on your assessment that OOBEs are indeed a double-edged sword. I am also aware of some cases of which you probably speak.
I could be mistaken though, but such experiences which end up strengthening belief systems are as a result of the spontaneity of the experiences. There are indeed very few people on this world who actually have the skill of deliberately inducing an OOBE or at least the interest or curiosity to try. The rest are spontaneous in nature. What this results in is that all sorts of things get reported, which may break or further strengthen beliefs. Most are simply uniformed about this 'phenomenon' enough to control it and detect what is reality from what they are self-creating, inadvertently.

What I think will be the turning point is making out of OOBEs, an exact science. As much a science as say, a haircut or a drive down to the market place. I know that is where we are headed. On the other hand, assuming a method to the 'madness' of OOBEs is perfected shortly which everyone can use with guarantee of success every time, a personal experience of personal beliefs, even if in error, comes across to me as far much more preferable than merely taking the preachers words as law. Further explorations out-of-body will eventually make it painfully obvious to an explorer exactly what is what, and which is which.

One or two such somewhat random experiences, assuming if fully remembered that is, in a whole life time is like going to a library and reading just two books and concluding that those books are what the library is all about. Ultimately, it is the atheists and scientists whom I feel will benefit more from this due to their proclivity for objectivity. Subjectivity and the 'woo-woo' of demons and otherwise will not or may fly against their mind-set.

My ability to quote your comment above is limited at the moment, but I don’t think I could have said it better in the fact that maturity of the heart dictates the quality of OOBEs, especially the 'unscheduled' or spontaneous ones. You nailed it! Soul wise, we are not all at the same place, it is simply a fact of nature that some souls are older and more experienced than others, having played this game of life for much, much longer than others. This truth is detectable in children with that unnerving “elderly gaze” prior to their indoctrination, which they soon rebel against.
The mass Mind or collective consciousness of the species however, is still terribly young notwithstanding. The problems are thus collective, not individual, most unfortunately.

I laughed a bit with regards to your comment on soul travel. Eckists come to mind. As a matter of fact they were my first port of call when I ditched Catholicism. By a 'miracle' I came by one of their small books someone had cast aside. That was when I realised that my persistent OOBEs were not unique to me. Still LoJ, some credit must be given to that religion for they are far much advanced than the mainstream ones. One of their defining qualities is the absence of fear as the basis for adherence to their doctrines. People who have been there for years are there because the wish to, not because they have been threatened to, or so I perceive. On this Sunday alone for instance, in the religions thread are at least three threads by three unique Christian individuals on the subject of the reality of hell and how we must all be “good boys and girls,” or else… That's how fear controls and remains problematic.
I did move on from Eckism though, theirs was also their personal consensus reality which did not still suffice to answer my questions.

The answer is LOVE! What a truth! But still, you will notice that there is hardly a religion which does not preach love, and yet, it has done nothing to give this world peace nor advance human relationships or thinking. One can only conclude that either people are generally hard of hearing or that many do not or cannot simply concept what love is, from a technical stand-point which it actually is, per your response to the inquiry above. The comprehension of love by the masses also comes across to me both abstract and intellectual, which is not a compliment. This makes a strong case for personal experience of Truth of Reality without the need for preaching by religions, for love is the underlying basis of creation and sums up the entirety of God's creative processes.
Some things cannot be learned by being told about. Just as in business, a personal visit to seal a deal remains safer than a phone call or email.

I do apologise for the length of my post, I know NL is about comment-quickies. Enjoy.

SidL:


Hello Ifenes, Two things stood out in your comment. That it was beautiful experience and that you lost it.

Indeed it IS a beautiful experience, no be for mouth, I must say. The type I like the most is the none-subjective one, what some refer to as 'real-time' OOBEs, and not the 'astral' sort. The ability to float around and fly around freely is priceless.

I remember as a five year old, I broke the tap in my neighbour's house when playing with kids there, actually it was already broken, it just came off when I wanted to use it, after all I was just five, how can I break a metal tap? I felt so guilty that I ran away to my place and went to bed. Next thing I knew, I had the urge to go back and did. When I got there, I met them debating who broke the tap because the water had been running ever since, to my dismay. I told them that it was me, but they ignored me. I believed that they were so upset with me and didn't want to speak with me or play with me any more. They suddenly rushed upstairs and I went along and still no one acknowledged my presence. What a treatment, I thought. I turned around and went home, and never went back there again, convinced I was not welcome.

Only later on in life did I realise, shit, they couldn’t see me! I also realised that at no point in that experience did I have a body, I was wholly Mind. As a kid, that was heartbreaking, but as an older kid, that was like whoa!

I think one of the reasons I never lost the ability was simply because I did not share it. How could I have when I couldn’t even tell the difference between when I was embodied or disembodied. Truly a beautiful experience that one, when considered in hindsight.

The kids today, they’re all doing it, constantly. They are not just aware of it. Sleep paralysis is evidence of it for at that point, most do not know they are already out of body albeit coincident to it. Redirecting thoughts away from the body in most cases completes the egress. Some kids wake up screaming from what they think are nightmares, along with parents pouring the “blood of Jesus,” into the fire without realising that the kid was merely out of body and busy creating thought forms without realising it. They’ve probably just watched something on television which imprinted. Who can blame parents? Most simply do not know any better.

I am stating the above merely for the record should someone need this info, that there is nothing to be worried about and the skill should be encouraged and nurtured, not stifled through innocent ignorance. If you ever dreamt, then you’ve left your body, and we 'dream' all the time.

Very nice! Our present educational system have no clue about all these things. Have you heard of the term "The Mandela Effect"? Most of us born after the 1980s are indigo kids. We were born with more abilities than the previous generations.I may have lost that bit but my dreams does scare everyone. I literally know when any relative or close friend's family pass.

I have a friend who still experiences OOBE. This guy (Scottish)can literally go out of his body at will. He is a loner but when we became friends I realized he wasn't a nutter after all. He tells you where you were and what you did and time which wasn't a shock to me. I once had the experience. Many people are like this but often scared to say it out. All I know is that it is very beautiful. The ability to be omnipresent is not far away from us.

SidL:

I do apologise for the length of my post, I know NL is about comment-quickies. Enjoy.

Hello SidL,

I truly enjoyed. Ermm, I love reading, so you shouldn't bother about the length of your post. However, seems I don't write much or talk much. Main reason is, I'm an ignorant. In most topics on nairaland, I have nothing to say although i would like to speak or write more.

I agree with most of your post. And I reckon I have learned a lot reading it. I just would like to add or correct a few things.

- The plants. I used to keep their scientific names in one file. I looked for it but could not find it. It is not mainstream knowledge, but I will look for it again.

- Eckankar: I was not referring to any particular group or movement in my previous message, and certainly not eckankar. First of all because I know nothing of Eckankar. The only eckist I know, I met him here in Nairaland. And I appreciate him a lot, his moniker is Benodic.
Therefore, I was not referring to Eckankar. But I know there are esoteric groups who emprison souls via initiatic chants.

To come back to the topic, I also think it would be good for Humanity to rediscover OOBEs. If indeed a scientific approach to it is established, it can only bring about spiritual progress.

Personally, I am not really fond of OOBEs. They tend to make me focus on the experiences rather than personal spiritual growth and self realization. I also admit I am a spiritual infant, a spiritual rebel, and I have never succeeded to conform to any spiritual movement.

There is this topic of mine, where I wanted to opinion of spiritual men and seekers. You may want to give your opinion to that my concern. I will mention you there right now.

Thank you for your contribution. Greetings.

SidL:


Well said Loj.

Thanks. This is the topic I was speaking about.

https://www.nairaland.com/3008266/spiritual-men-seekers-others-need

LoJ:

First time(s) fear and anguish. Some curiosity too. But this in turn prevents deep experiences.
The other you are quite normal, depending also on what you experience. People are usually afraid of the unknown. So the more an experience is a mystery, the more they are likely to be afraid, and the shorter that experience will be.

But as far as I am concerned, I encourage nobody to train in occult techniques to learn in Astral projection and similar issues. Not because they are bad per se, but they can be dangerous and should not be attempted out of curiosity.

The best is to grow spiritualy by learning to love others, and those things shall come naturally, and unforced. When they are natural, they are safe.

You have been intriguing to me. I have followed you trying to discover you, now I know. You are a New Age Devotee. Hmm, interesting.

Religious myths!

Muafrika2:


Religious myths!

I have done that - I mean OOB it was done inadvertently though , it just happened . But its scary as hell though

KingEbukasBlog:


I have done that - I mean OOB it was done inadvertently though , it just happened . But its scary as hell though

How so? You walked out of your body?

Muafrika2:

How so? You walked out of your body?

lol . its a long story . like I said , it was not intentional

analice107:

You have been intriguing to me. I have followed you trying to discover you, now I know. You are a New Age Devotee. Hmm, interesting.

Hello analice107,

I think there is nothing interesting about me, and It was not worth all the efforts. You could simply have asked. New age devotee? I don't know the meaning of that. Please, explain to me. I don't know what is New age, although I read the term here and then. Whatever I say is the fruit of my experiences and my intuition, what I feel is just and in accord with the laws of God. And of course, I always mention that people should freely criticize and reject if it contradicts their hearts.

Thank you for your remarks. I wish you all that is purest and noblest.

Greetings.

LoJ:

Hello analice107,

I think there is nothing interesting about me, and It was not worth all the efforts. You could simply have asked. New age devotee? I don't know the meaning of that. Please, explain to me. I don't know what is New age, although I read the term here and then. Whatever I say is the fruit of my experiences and my intuition, what I feel is just and in accord with the laws of God. And of course, I always mention that people should freely criticize and reject if it contradicts their hearts.

Thank you for your remarks. I wish you all that is purest and noblest.

Greetings.

See? That's the intriguing part, the "there's nothing interesting about me". Why do you keep saying that? Shouldn't we be the judge of that? There are loads of annoying uninteresting folk in here, but you are far from that. My observation though.
Anyways, New Age is what you always talk about. The Eastern religion stuff. Astral projections, reincarnation, chakras, Yoga and such stuff. Their adherence are called 'Devotees'
BTW. Are Nigerian?

analice107:

Anyways, New Age is what you always talk about. The Eastern religion stuff. Astral projections, reincarnation, chakras, Yoga and such stuff. Their adherence are called 'Devotees'

Hello analice107,

Thank you for your explanations. I have no idea what chakras are, and what Yoga ist, a part from what I read here and there on the topic. I have never been an adherent of "eastern religion" and I don't know what they teach. I belong to no religion, I only follow the love of God as my heart receives it. And yes, they are people of various religious backgrounds who exudes light in their writings, that's why I follow and try to exchange with them. Some are christians, atheists and paganists. I guess some of them maybe "devotees" of eastern religions.

Astral projection I don't know what it is all about. I know Out of Body experiences, since I am familiar with them from personal experience. I however never learned a technique to perform them. I do not even have much appreciation for OBE's, as they tend to distract me.

Reincarnation, I know what it is. Not because I am a devotee of any religion, but from personal experience. I have been taught on reincarnation by spirit guides. I've even had the privlege of looking back in the past. Anyone can also get that access, if it is necessary for his own spiritual growth.

I am not a nigerian. I live in europe, but I am of african origin.

Thank you for your inquiries. I wish you a great blessed day.

SidL:


Hello LoJ,

I just realised by your question that I did not word the topic well. Done.
It's not really what I want to know of it so much as what I want to check to see of people's view points and experiences on the subject matter and so on. I am flattered that you think me a scientists. I doubt you'd say that if I stated the fact that my highest formal education is secondary school, and even at that I just barely got away with a pass on the science subjects.
...but thank you.

I'm glad to see that someone has had or does have the experiences and acknowledges it for what it is. I am still very curious as to the general perception of the 'phenomenon' in spite of today's...well, more enlightened society called Nigeria. I am looking into this natural occurrence or 'phenomenon' as a new method of Spiritual and Scientific inquiry. I strongly believe that once a fool-proof technique for out-of-body-experiences is perfected, readily replicable and of course, effortlessly inducible, humankind will experience growth and evolution in leaps and bounds beyond what is currently imagined. Why? Because "there are more things in 'heaven and earth', Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

There are two fundamental problems with humankind right now, which hinder its growth in and into grace and dignity. They are religion and methods of inquiry, science. Indeed these two are like brackets that encompass all things else. I do not need to take too much time to outline the inherent, self-evident problems that religion is causing. The Source of Creation, that which we casually refer to as 'God' is instead fashioned by almost all theologies/religions into the image and likeness of spiritually evolving Man itself rather than vice-versa, while they convince themselves otherwise. This... objective He-God is extremely problematic, emotionally fickle and very, very violent. How else do religions justify killing? How else do most fear-based religions weild such power and control over billions? How else is it possible that the human species has experienced no real spiritual evolution in millenia, despite attempts by many illuminates like Lao Tzu, Bhudda, Krishna, "Jesus", Muhammad, etc? Their enlightened teachings having been twisted and contorted such that most are merely shadows of themselves today.

Science on the hand has lost its original thrust as a method of inquiry. It is now wholly materialistic, a way of life, an end rather than a means to an end. Very few, if not all of its theories and laws have any relation whatsoever to truth of existence, and when such "laws" come close to truth, they are half-baked as to be equally false. The general attitude is "if my instruments cannot detect it, nor my eyes see it, then it's not real." Yet they spout one outrageous theory after another so much so that I am left wondering if science should not just be simply labelled a religion and its theories, theology. With the very same eyes which can clearly "see" that the railroad tracks meet on the horizon, they presume that empirical data is the "bread of life." In the example of the railroad track, they are enabled to know the truth of their never meeting on the horizon because they can walk the track, yet they will not consider what other illusions of nature they have fallen prey to simply because they cannot walk such 'tracks'.

Ideally, both parties should be a couple, sharing their completeness with each other, always proving the other, not disproving each other. The question now becomes, what is the way forward? It is my humble opinion, that the way forward is any means which enables each individual to adopt a perspective that allows questions to be irrefutably answered, for self. The means is non other than the ability to willfully separate from the body while it still lives, and become wholly mind. Out-of-body-experience.

Is it only a hand full of people who realise the benefit this will bring humankind? I wonder. Look at some benefits to both parties and by extension, to humankind:

Religions: No longer will a mass of individuals be required to..."take the preachers words and his holy books" as sacrosanct. Religions weild such ungodly power over the minds of people through their fear-teachings of a vengeful, jealous, volatile God who will cast them to hell to burn for all eternity. People are thus duped to conform to outrageous "truths." Hell will be self-proved through personal direct investigation which OOBEs afford, as a figment of our collective imagination, quite literally. The "astral frequencies of perception" are so fast that each our thoughts manifest instantly, and in effect, when people die and go to the "spirit land," they are immediately greeted by their belief system. The one who thinks it is a sinner winds up in a hell of its own imagining and stays there till they quite simply, change their thoughts on the matter and trust me, that happens very quickly, it is quite funny actually. This accounts for why people come back from an NDE with different, very subjective accounts of the "after life." Angels or Demons, 'pick ya poison'. lol!

In the 'mind realm' or astral realm there are equally all sorts of "heavens". Christian (Catholic, penticostal, methodists etc) heavens, Muslim heavens, Jewish heavens, this heaven and that heaven. All stay there, till they 'snap out of their consensus madness'. Anyone who has ever woken up inside their dreams and said "hey.......this is ain't real, cats don't have wings" is personally familiar with the effect of the scene just melting away, as proof of WHO exactly is doing the creating--self!
Through personal experience, we will be enabled to kiss the fear of hell goodbye and religion will thus die a natural death, for in its present form it does great, great disservice to us all. If you doubt me, look around you with sincere eyes. People are generally afraid of thinking for themselves and prefer someone else do so for them. Now they get to truly THINK.

Science: The 'empirical attitude' has its limitations. It's like coming to a party half way through and counting the drinks which remain and then call it fact. Scientists chase shadows. They will learn eventually, that by the time you can quantify a thing, the "magic" has already occurred. It is for this reason that most of its theories which are close to truth are only half way there. However, half truth is still no truth. If one conisders that matter is spirit coalesced, by the time you see matter, then the party is half way through. Matter is an effect and spirit is cause, and I do not mean that in a 'woo-woo' way. The scientist will be enabled to peer into the mysteries of creation, the WHY of things. She will see, no, she will KNOW exactly how God creates her universe and follow along attentively in the processes of the birth of matter from spirit and its journey back to spirit for repetition. Humankind will attain greater progress in technical advances, and have the capacity to utilise them responsibly. At this point we have iust toys really, and look how we use them, to maim and kill, rather than to grow together in grace, dignity and the spirit of discovery.

We will eventually discover that science and religion (philosophy) are two sides of the same coin and that the coin itself is 'God'. That God is both the greatest scientist and philosopher. If every individual can experience this for themselves as KNOWING rather than by the "preaching" or "memorise and regurgitate" model of learning we use today, both of which are intellectual rather than experiential in nature, would there be wars? Hunger amidst bounty? Suffering? Struggle?
These ills are our collective-consensus creations caused by lack of TRUTH on this world, not a guy called 'Devil'. That nonsense will no longer fly as people learn to take full responsibility for their thoughts, much less actions which manifest those thoughts, because God uses mind to create through thinking and since we and God IS one, we are ultimately the creators of our difficulties. This is fact to be experienced and known, not intellectualised, if I may.

The time is right for this mass discovery, for we are dragging our world to our hells in a hand-basket.

one of the intelligent and thoughtful write-up to ever graced this forum.

More confusion.

SidL:
Happy Sunday all.

I have been having this experience spontaneously since I was a child. What do you think of it?

sir, i also had that experience today and realised i was having the experience as a child. Though i never get off my body cause of fear.
Now the fear i have is my body is occupied by an entity and its also injured spiritually. Im afraid of seeing it that way. Any help?

Krystale:
sir, i also had that experience today and realised i was having the experience as a child. Though i never get off my body cause of fear.
Now the fear i have is my body is occupied by an entity and its also injured spiritually. Im afraid of seeing it that way. Any help?

LOL@Sir. Oga, abeg.

Fear is normal, especially when attempting to breach a personal new frontier. Bravery is only possible because fear exists. Be brave. Per occupation of your body while outside of it and spiritual injury, you are making it all up, IMHO, of course.

Just...make sure not to consume alcohol and you should be fine.

SidL:


LOL@Sir. Oga, abeg.

Fear is normal, especially when attempting to breach a personal new frontier. Bravery is only possible because fear exists. Be brave. Per occupation of your body while outside of it and spiritual injury, you are making it all up, IMHO, of course.

Just...make sure not to consume alcohol and you should be fine.

ok, thanks.
So how do i get back to my body?