HCpaul:


He is just speechless.

Maybe evolution has stoped or nature is currently sleeping.

If and only if I will be confused that there is no God, it will require a living entity like God and not a non living entity like Nature.

Once again, has evolution stoped?

Evolutionists have told too many lies to buttress their dumb theory that they dont remember which lie is for which . Have you read an evolutionist reasons for emotions , consciousness and cognition ?

They make bold claims - evolution-of-the-gap - because they feel that such thing did happen .

How did we gain consciousness - evolution

How did we gain emotions - evolution

How did we acquire morality - evolution

Why are men physically stronger than women - evolution

They'll start telling cave man stories no one ever penned down or witnessed as rational evidence for their claims . CoolUsername I'm still waiting for proofs for the putative ancestors of whales and penguins . I think I should add camels to the list

realmindz:

so your existence is jst by chance,

Exactly. And so is yours. You can deceive yourself if that makes you happy.

As for purpose, that is up to you to define.

KingEbukaNaija:


Evolutionists have told too many lies to buttress their dumb theory that they dont remember which lie is for which . Have you read an evolutionist reasons for emotions , consciousness and cognition ?

They make bold claims - evolution-of-the-gap - because they feel that such thing did happen .

How did we gain consciousness - evolution

How did we gain emotions - evolution

How did we acquire morality - evolution

Why are men physically stronger than women - evolution

They'll start telling cave man stories no one ever penned down or witnessed as rational evidence for their claims . CoolUsername I'm still waiting for proofs for the putative ancestors of whales and penguins . I think I should add camels to the list

Nah, I'm done with you.

Even if I answer, you'll just ask all over again in another thread. Revaluate yourself before mentioning me because schooling someone over the exact same point over and over gets old fast.

CoolUsername:


Nah, I'm done with you.

Even if I answer, you'll just ask all over again in another thread.

Atheists do the same to me . Do you know how many times I had to explain that God is not subject to his laws before I opened a thread for it or even explain the eternal nature of God . Do you know how many times I have discuseed about Noah's story before I did same with you .

Continue with the evasion . We all know those ancestors never existed but hey the lies have to be told right . That's why they are putative - assumed to exist or have existed , they aint real .

sonOfLucifer:

Exactly. And so is yours. You can deceive yourself if that makes you happy.

As for purpose, that is up to you to define.

He believes life is not serendipitous . You believe it is . And so to you its self deceit because he does not buy your claim that his existence on earth was some random chance . Oh Satan's myrmidon , when did you become replete with this kind of ignorance and bigotry?

KingEbukaNaija:


Evolutionists have told too many lies to buttress their dumb theory that they dont remember which lie is for which . Have you read an evolutionist reasons for emotions , consciousness and cognition ?

They make bold claims - evolution-of-the-gap - because they feel that such thing did happen .

How did we gain consciousness - evolution

How did we gain emotions - evolution

How did we acquire morality - evolution

Why are men physically stronger than women - evolution

I believe your answers to the above questions is 'God'?

How are you then better than the evolutionalist? You just replaced ' evolution' with 'God' and then claim to have a superior argument.

Btw, so many atheist right here have made it known that being an atheist doesn't necessarily mean believing in evolution. Evolution is a theory in science and....

Oh fvck it, no need to cast pearl on pigs according to your bible

KingEbukasBlog:
Finally the party is here .

I had to stop following the thread when u came in. It will surely be turned to child's play and comic jokes with ur nonsensical argument. i.e Jesus is God becasue he is a historical figure.

Stick to computer mechanic, trying to think outside that box is making u a huge joke.

This thread has been turned into a childish one with personal emotion yarns and tantrums flying back and forth.

@realmindz if you have anymore question for me, mention me

simplex2:


I believe your answers to the above questions is 'God'?

How are you then better than the evolutionalist? You just replaced ' evolution' with 'God' and then claim to have a superior argument.

Btw, so many atheist right here have made it known that being an atheist doesn't necessarily mean believing in evolution. Evolution is a theory in science and....

Oh fvck it, no need to cast pearl on pigs according to your bible

Are you sick in the head ? Where did I mention atheists in that post . I said evolutionists . An intelligent design has always been a superior argument .

What would man accomplish without design Tell me

frank317:


I had to stop following the thread when u came in. It will surely be turned to child's play and comic jokes with ur nonsensical argument. i.e Jesus is God becasue he is a historical figure.

Stick to computer mechanic, trying to think outside that box is making u a huge joke.

Frank317 thinks outside the box ? . Lwkmd ! Are you related to Eddie Murphy .

KingEbukaNaija:


Evolutionists have told too many lies to buttress their dumb theory that they dont remember which lie is for which . Have you read an evolutionist reasons for emotions , consciousness and cognition ?

They make bold claims - evolution-of-the-gap - because they feel that such thing did happen .

How did we gain consciousness - evolution

How did we gain emotions - evolution

How did we acquire morality - evolution

Why are men physically stronger than women - evolution

They'll start telling cave man stories no one ever penned down or witnessed as rational evidence for their claims . CoolUsername I'm still waiting for proofs for the putative ancestors of whales and penguins . I think I should add camels to the list

Such a shame.

Anyway, i assume you know that conciousness or you may simply put enviroument perception is dependent in individual perception of his enviroument, and it can be influenced by social staues, age, religion, culture and other social and biological virtues. And that where direction bias comes in i.e. Tendecy to ave greater knowledge of places in some directions than others.
So u see, consciousness is relative.

And talking about emotions, cognitions and conciousness. This atributes are not uniform. Some pple re more enotional than others, u may want to make refrence to what johnnydon said above about a sperm out of over 2 million sperm fertilizing an ovum

.........dada01

dada01:


Such a shame.

Anyway, i assume you know that conciousness or you may simply put enviroument perception is dependent in individual perception of his enviroument, and it can be influenced by social staues, age, religion, culture and other social and biological virtues. And that where direction bias comes in i.e. Tendecy to ave greater knowledge of places in some directions than others.
So u see, consciousness is relative.

And talking about emotions, cognitions and conciousness. This atributes are not uniform. Some pple re more enotional than others, u may want to make refrence to what johnnydon said above about a sperm out of over 2 million sperm fertilizing an ovum

.........dada01

Such a shame

Are you an evolutionist?

KingEbukasBlog:

Such a shame
Are you an evolutionist?

no sir. But i will take evolution over creationism anyday and anytume
.......dada01

KingEbukasBlog:

Such a shame
Are you an evolutionist?

no sir. But i will take evolution over creationism anyday and anytime
.......dada01

dada01:


no sir.
But i will take evolution over creationism anyday and anytume

.......dada01

An evolutionist is a person who supports the theory of evolution . So you are one

KingEbukaNaija:


Atheists do the same to me . Do you know how many times I had to explain that God is not subject to his laws before I opened a thread for it or even explain the eternal nature of God . Do you know how many times I have discuseed about Noah's story before I did same with you .

Continue with the evasion . We all know those ancestors never existed but hey the lies have to be told right . That's why they are putative - assumed to exist or have existed , they aint real .

Oh, please! I decimated your shitty ark argument. All you could say was "the ark was huge!"
Unfortunately, you couldn't address the speciation problem or how kangaroos made it from the Middle East to Australia.

Don't make me puke.

I answered this your intelligent designer issue way back in 2012. Please refer to this thread created by me
https://www.nairaland.com/915300/chance-intelligent-design-creation

If the intelligent designer does not require another intelligent designer, then why would the universe require an intelligent designer.
If the intelligent designer is eternal and always existed, why can't the universe be eternal.
If the intelligent designer can spring forth from nothingness, why can't the universe spring forth from nothingness.

CoolUsername:


Oh, please! I decimated your shitty ark argument. All you could say was "the ark was huge!"
Unfortunately, you couldn't address the speciation problem or how kangaroos made it from the Middle East to Australia.

Don't make me puke.

Your delusion knows no end . Its been accepted that the ark was huge enough . You never asked me how Kangaroos migrated from the Middle East to Australia . You pathetic liar

You disgust me

wirinet:
I answered this your intelligent designer issue way back in 2012. Please refer to this thread created by me
https://www.nairaland.com/915300/chance-intelligent-design-creation

If the intelligent designer does not require another intelligent designer, then why would the universe require an intelligent designer.
If the intelligent designer is eternal and always existed, why can't the universe be eternal.
If the intelligent designer can spring forth from nothingness, why can't the universe spring forth from nothingness.

The universe indeed had a beginning and a cause . The creator is also eternal . So your argument is a specious one and is totally invalid

"If .. " - we are talking of a God who is currently existing now so its not debatable .

Plus with the logic of God and everything even if the universe is eternal it does not preclude the existence of God . The universe could be seen as part of God - this is called Panendeism - and God is eternal . That means we have the universe as being part of a separate conscious entity

And please dont take my latter statement too seriously

KingEbukasBlog:


The universe indeed had a beginning and a cause . The creator is also eternal . So your argument is a specious one and is totally invalid

"If .. " - we are talking of a God who is currently existing now so its not debatable .

Plus with the logic of God and everything even if the universe is eternal it does not preclude the existence of God . The universe could be seen as part of God - this is called Panendeism - and God is eternal . That means we have the universe as being part of a separate conscious entity

And please dont take my latter statement too seriously

What is your proof that the universe had a beginning and a cause and what evidence do you have of an intelligent designer creator that is eternal?

Which God are you talking about and where is he existing now. No matter the God you subscribe to, his existence has been debatable since the dawn of time. Even the Christian bible contains people who does not subscribe to the Hebrew God - YHWH.

wirinet:


What is your proof that the universe had a beginning and a cause

1.From the Laws of Thermodynamics

First Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.
Second Law: The amount of energy available for work is running out, or entropy is increasing to a maximum.

2. The universe is expanding not into space, but space itself is expanding.

3. The Beginning of Time - Stephen Hawking

4. Also, the universe cannot be self existent - nothing can create itself, because that would mean that it existed before it came into existence, which is totally absurd .

and what evidence do you have of an intelligent designer creator that is eternal?

1. Its actually logical . If the intelligent designer is not eternal then it progresses into infinite regression . We will be asking absurd questions like who created the creator and who created the creator's creator . So God is eternal

2. Philosophically : For everything to exist , an all - some sort of a infinite container - must be eternal . God is an ALL in ALL .

3. Faith . This is needed if you want to please God . The bible exhorts us to believe God through Faith

Which God are you talking about and where is he existing now. No matter the God you subscribe to, his existence has been debatable since the dawn of time. .

The Bible's description of YHWH is overwhelmingly logical . And fits best as the true God - the eternal conscious creator .

a.He is eternal
b.He created the physical universe and its constituents - time , space , matter
c.He is an embodiment of morality - a law giver

There are so much that I can't indite now

Even the Christian bible contains people who does not subscribe to the Hebrew God - YHWH

Yeah and that's why Jesus entreated his disciples to spread the gospel . In the OT , we can see God punishing the Israelites when they depart from their belief in Him and worshiping other gods .

^ Is this meant to be a joke? What does the existence of gods have to do with the laws of thermodynamics?

mbatuku2:
^ Is this meant to be a joke? What does the existence of gods have to do with the laws of thermodynamics?

He asked for proof the universe had a beginning . Understand a post first and dont impetuously comment

KingEbukasBlog:


An evolutionist is a person who supports the theory of evolution . So you are one

suit yourself

KingEbukasBlog:


He asked for proof the universe had a beginning . Understand a post first and dont impetuously comment

OK. So whats the link? Beginning of the universe and thermodynamics? I dont see how your argument links then,

KingEbukasBlog:


1.From the Laws of Thermodynamics

First Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.
Second Law: The amount of energy available for work is running out, or entropy is increasing to a maximum.

2. The universe is expanding not into space, but space itself is expanding.

3. The Beginning of Time - Stephen Hawking

4. Also, the universe cannot be self existent - nothing can create itself, because that would mean that it existed before it came into existence, which is totally absurd .

Like Mbatuku2 asked, what has your God has to do with the laws of thermodynamics or any other physical laws for that matter. I thought you people said your god is not bound to any law.

It seems you do not understand the import of the laws of thermodynamics. The first law states The total amount of energy in a closed system is constant ( we assume mass is also a form of energy). Since we assume the universe is a closed system, it therefore mean the amount of energy in the universe has always been the same. This is why we say energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

The second law of thermodynamics states, that there is a natural tendency of any isolated system to degenerate into a more disordered state. This means entropy (amount if energy unavailable to do work) increases.

While first law of thermodynamics deals with quantity of energy, the second law deals with quality of energy.


In your statement above just substitute God for the universe and you will reach the same conclusion;
The Universe God cannot be self existent - nothing can create itself, because that would mean that it existed before it came into existence, which is totally absurd .

1. Its actually logical . If the intelligent designer is not eternal then it progresses into infinite regression . We will be asking absurd questions like who created the creator and who created the creator's creator . So God is eternal

Here also substitute the word God or intelligent designer with the universe and you will still reach the same conclusion;
Its actually logical . If the intelligent designer the universe is not eternal then it progresses into infinite regression . We will be asking absurd questions like who created the creator and who created the creator's creator . So God the Universe is eternal

2. Philosophically : For everything to exist , an all - some sort of a infinite container - must be eternal . God is an ALL in ALL .

3. Faith . This is needed if you want to please God . The bible exhorts us to believe God through Faith

Wrong philosophical premise, so wrong philosophical conclusion.

The Bible's description of YHWH is overwhelmingly logical . And fits best as the true God - the eternal conscious creator .

a.He is eternal
b.He created the physical universe and its constituents - time , space , matter
c.He is an embodiment of morality - a law giver

There are so much that I can't indite now



Yeah and that's why Jesus entreated his disciples to spread the gospel . In the OT , we can see God punishing the Israelites when they depart from their belief in Him and worshiping other gods .

The rest is just religious indoctrination by conquerors and colonialists with no base in logic or reality. It is a ploy by all conquerors to subjugate inferior or conquered peoples to make them more malleable for exploitation. This was stated by the Roman empire in ancient Rome and perfected by the British and spanish in modern British and Spanish empires.
Peoples conquered by Arabs are also forcefully indoctinated to accept Arabic God and philosophy.

@Realmindz

The watch is a reflection of consciousness/state of being of the individual. Which means the designer is the person experiencing the wrist-watch. This topic shouldn't be that difficult to explain. Physical realities(what we see and touch) is within us. A spoon can appear bent to me and straightened to you. When you stand in front of a mirror, what reflects is what how you dressed. If you want the reflection in the mirror to jump....you jump,then the reflection jumps. Simple.

There is an intelligent designer. IT IS THE INDIVIDUAL

realmindz:
I believe you guys are quite intelligent and good analytical thinkers, now I have some questions for you. if you answer at least convincingly, then I will throw out more challenging questions.
1. Look at the design of a watch, it's purpose is to tell time but every part of the watch was intelligently chosen to serve it's very purpose, the springs, rotor, hands, case etc...Each very part carefully chosen, even the material science behind the watch is so brilliant. This definitely did not come by accident but by intelligent beings "humans". same goes to more complex designs such as cars, aircrafts, washing machines, computers, etc everything were created for purposes from the simplest of its various parts performing various functions brought together to achieve a machine to perform it's specific purpose.
...........

Now let's consider the tiny creatures like an ant can therefore be said to be carefully design with its various internal organs, external features, abdomen, head, legs etc all well designed and fitted to perform different functions, now a more complex being like humans, with digestive system, reproductive system, respiratory etc . Dear aethist could this have been an accident or coincidence...?


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sonoflucifer coolusername johnydon22 etc

At best, this is an argument for the position of a deist, not theism.

I suggest that you find arguments which support your position, that this divine watchmaker actually spoke with bronze age Jews and is still speaking to TB Joshua today.

Atheists don't really have a successful counter argument for deists. We have agreed that the universe came from something, which, BTW, if conscious, would possess an intelligence on a scale that is infinitely more powerful than our own.

You, on the other hand, are claiming that this same omni intelligent consciousness made contact with bronze age Jews, and instructed them to compose a book and pass it along to me.

That claim goes beyond wristwatches and ant colonies. Imagine one wristwatch telling another that he must pay tithes because the watchmaker spoke to only it.

Or better yet, imagine one ant telling the whole colony that it spoke ant language with this omni ant maker, and everybody should pay close attention.

I think that it is an abusive thing to say to another person when you yourself don't possess any unusual powers. That's why that Olumba Olumba is such an interesting fellow. I would follow in his footsteps and finish young girls myself except all atheists no get same liver to tell lies.

ifenes:
@Realmindz

The watch is a reflection of consciousness/state of being of the individual. Which means the designer is the person experiencing the wrist-watch. This topic shouldn't be that difficult to explain. Physical realities(what we see and touch) is within us. A spoon can appear bent to me and straightened to you. When you stand in front of a mirror, what reflects is what how you dressed. If you want the reflection in the mirror to jump....you jump,then the reflection jumps. Simple.

There is an intelligent designer. IT IS THE INDIVIDUAL

Big ups. The designer was a quantum observer, and it was the very act of observation which led to the current chain reaction we know as the universe. There is a particle in the universe which is also an individual, as you call it.

Weah96:


Big ups. The designer was a quantum observer, and it was the very act of observation which led to the current chain reaction we know as the universe. There is a particle in the universe which is also an individual, as you call it.

We need to give credit where it's due. The human mind is the most powerful. Its creation includes god and everything we can imagine.

ifenes:


We need to give credit where it's due. The human mind is the most powerful. Its creation includes god and everything we can imagine.

Humans are quantum observers. But I seriously doubt that the first observer was a human. A mind maybe, but one unrelated to our organic edifice.

Weah96:


Humans are quantum observers. But I seriously doubt that the first observer was a human. A mind maybe, but one unrelated to our organic edifice.

The organic/physical being itself is a production of the mind. Like the MATRIX to experience being in a physical body. A s the mind changes,the experience changes.