ollah1:


How was Barca established having gone trophyless for two seasons finishing 2nd and 3rd respectively?

When did you guys go trophyless for two seasons before pep arrived? Make lie no kill you? Who won the 2006 champions league final and which year did pep take over


Answers on a postcard

dopeJemi:


When did you guys go trophyless for two seasons before pep arrived? Make lie no kill you? Who won the 2006 champions league final and which year did pep take over


Answers on a postcard

Stop spewing trash,'smart' manure fan.Barca went trophyless 06/07 &07/08....Pep Joined Barça 08/09.

jstbeinhonest:



Stop spewing trash,'smart' manure fan.Barca went trophyless 06/07 &07/08....Pep Joined Barça 08/09.

Okay

dopeJemi:


Pep has to prove that he can manage a not so ready made club, after all LVG won the FA cup with this shyte team, ranieri won the league with his shyte team, pep has to prove that he can win with not so established teams

I don't wanna delve into this arguments but still I can't sit and read how you come up with some not-so-sensible lines. The emboldened is what I refer to.

Whose fault was it that over £250m was spent and yet the team remained shiity?

I don't have issues with whatever line you choose to use to support your arguments so long as it's a fact and justifiable. You even nailed yourself with the Ranieri blah blah blah because if Ranieri could win the EPL with so small a team, then your very expensive team should have done better than it did this just concluded season.

Continue with your stuffs sha but avoid lines such as the above lest you nail yourself.

dmcdad:

I don't wanna delve into this arguments but still I can't sit and read how you come up with some not-so-sensible lines. The emboldened is what I refer to.

Whose fault was it that over £250m was spent and yet the team remained shiity?

I don't have issues with whatever line you choose to use to support your arguments so long as it's a fact and justifiable. You even nailed yourself with the Ranieri blah blah blah because if Ranieri could win the EPL with so small a team, then your very expensive team should have done better than it did this just concluded season.

Continue with your stuffs sha but avoid lines such as the above lest you nail yourself.

Name the top clubs our starting 11 will effortlessly walk into, i'm waiting and while you are at it, name the world class players in the team

Didn't Dayo just say the man city team is shyte? Didn't they spend? Torres was bought for 50million, he wasn't shyte at chelsea, omini knowest

According to you, when you spend 250M, you have automatically spent it on quality players, is it my fault that the players turned out shity? We spent 250M, does it change the fact that the players are shyte?


You were right, it wasn't your business

The foundation of Dayo's argument is dodgy at best.
That City's squad is shít and United's own is on par or equal.
There is no atom of truth to these statements.

The same city squad that topped a group with juve and Sevilla (who these useless Barca fans were predicting would deal squarely city ) and made the semi finals.
But we are to believe the squad is useless.

The 'better' united side got disgraced out of a group containing psv and Wolfsburg, and then got bundled out of Europa.

AdeLaNa1:
Stop sounding like a fûcking illiterate. Pep last won UCL in 2011. So tell me how 2016-2011 is 4??

Lol. SAF is lazy? True laziness is running from one club to the other. And from one sugar daddy to the other when things get tough for u. Let Pep stay in one place for 10 yrs at least and guide dat team to consecutive titles if he can.

Mind u, United was an inferior English team until SAF came along and transformed us to serial winners and an European Elite. Saying SAF would get kicked out if he went to another team is just ludicrous.

If Fergie is a failure, then Pep is equally a failure. 5 yrs and no UCL trophy. A local champion who could only bully clubs like Leverkusen and Monchengladbach to successive Bundesliga titles.

Pep Guardiola is the laziest coach i`ve ever known in my life. He always want to benefit from the labour of others. What he benefited from the Barca team was the foundation laid down by Rijkaard. There was a time when Barca went trophyless for four good seasons before Rijkaard was employed. Rijkaard turned around the team and won the league in his second season and third season. He also won UCL in his third season. All these he did with no contribition from Messi. Rijkaard gave Messi his debut in the senior team. Rijkaard was the first Barca coach to beat R. Madrid twice at Barnebeu.

Pep succeeded Rijkaard and stumbled on Messi that was about to mature after Rijkaard had laid the foundation for him in the team and won two UCL with Messi`s major influence. He sensed that he`s going to have problem with the team because his tactical inept of no 'plan b' to his tiki-taka with teams packing the bus was coming to the fore, then he took the easier route by announcing he was going on a sabbatical.

This is where his lazinness as a coach comes in. After being beaten by Chelsea in UCL and he knew that R. Madrid was going to win the La Liga. He made this statement as reason he`s leaving Barca "But gradually, i found it more and more difficult to motivate myself and the team. That is when you know it is time to take a walk" That is LAZINNESS written all over the statement. That`s the laziest statement i`ve ever heard from a young coach for that matter. He couldn`t stay motivate and build a team. This is what SAF did successfully over the years.

Pep went to Bayern and met a team that just won the treble and a team that had appeared in three of the last four finals. He couldn`t take such a good team past the semifinals in his three seasons there. Why couldn`t he replicate what he previously did at Barca at Bayern if he`s such a coaching genius? I guess it`s because there was no Messi in his team.

tess1:


Pep Guardiola is the laziest coach i`ve ever known in my life. He always want to benefit from the labour of others. What he benefited from the Barca team was the foundation laid down by Rijkaard. There was a time when Barca went trophyless for four good seasons before Rijkaard was employed. Rijkaard turned around the team and won the league in his second season and third season. He also won UCL in his third season. All these he did with no contribition from Messi. Rijkaard gave Messi his debut in the senior team. Rijkaard was the first Barca coach to beat R. Madrid twice at Barnebeu.

Pep succeeded Rijkaard and stumbled on Messi that was about to mature after Rijkaard had laid the foundation for him in the team and won two UCL with Messi`s major influence. He sensed that he`s going to have problem with the team because his tactical inept of no 'plan b' to his tiki-taka with teams packing the bus was coming to the fore, then he took the easier route by announcing he was going on a sabbatical.

This is where his lazinness as a coach comes in. After being beaten by Chelsea in UCL and he knew that R. Madrid was going to win the La Liga. He made this statement as reason he`s leaving Barca "But gradually, i found it more and more difficult to motivate myself and the team. That is when you know it is time to take a walk" That is LAZINNESS written all over the statement. That`s the laziest statement i`ve ever heard from a young coach for that matter. He couldn`t stay motivate and build a team. This is what SAF did successfully over the years.

Pep went to Bayern and met a team that just won the treble and a team that had appeared in three of the last four finals. He couldn`t take such a good team past the semifinals in his three seasons there. Why couldn`t he replicate what he previously did at Barca at Bayern if he`s such a coaching genius? I guess it`s because there was no Messi in his team.

Good post. Very good.

ollah1:


Pep has 6 titles in 7 attempts. Fergie has 13 in 25 attempts and both have 2 ucls. Some of you man u fans don't like Fergie been criticised but you easily hit at Pep at any slightest moment. Nobody knows maybe it's cos he schooled ur legend twice in the finals and the only goal ur team could score was offside. Or perhaps, he went to the other side of Manchester.

FA cup and intercontinental tropohies?
If Pep were to retire now, will you equate him in the same bracket as fergie?

tess1:


Pep Guardiola is the laziest coach i`ve ever known in my life. He always want to benefit from the labour of others. What he benefited from the Barca team was the foundation laid down by Rijkaard. There was a time when Barca went trophyless for four good seasons before Rijkaard was employed. Rijkaard turned around the team and won the league in his second season and third season. He also won UCL in his third season. All these he did with no contribition from Messi. Rijkaard gave Messi his debut in the senior team. Rijkaard was the first Barca coach to beat R. Madrid twice at Barnebeu.

Pep succeeded Rijkaard and stumbled on Messi that was about to mature after Rijkaard had laid the foundation for him in the team and won two UCL with Messi`s major influence. He sensed that he`s going to have problem with the team because his tactical inept of no 'plan b' to his tiki-taka with teams packing the bus was coming to the fore, then he took the easier route by announcing he was going on a sabbatical.

This is where his lazinness as a coach comes in. After being beaten by Chelsea in UCL and he knew that R. Madrid was going to win the La Liga. He made this statement as reason he`s leaving Barca "But gradually, i found it more and more difficult to motivate myself and the team. That is when you know it is time to take a walk" That is LAZINNESS written all over the statement. That`s the laziest statement i`ve ever heard from a young coach for that matter. He couldn`t stay motivate and build a team. This is what SAF did successfully over the years.

Pep went to Bayern and met a team that just won the treble and a team that had appeared in three of the last four finals. He couldn`t take such a good team past the semifinals in his three seasons there. Why couldn`t he replicate what he previously did at Barca at Bayern if he`s such a coaching genius? I guess it`s because there was no Messi in his team.

Below are the players who started the 2006 CL final under Rijkaard

Valdes
Oleguer
Puyol
Marquez
Van Bronckhorst
Edmilson
Deco
Van Bommel
Guily
Etoo
Ronaldinho

3years later when Pep made his own CL final and won the treble. In the final game

Only Valdes Puyol and Etoo were left 3 out of 11

Yet they are telling us he met a ready made team at Barcelona. Keep on lying

Now he has gone to City and accepted the challenge to win the league, WHy cant Mourinho fans accept the same instead of giving excuses all over

Pep fans have not given excuses here. Mourinho fans are the ones giving excuses like lets see who they buy, Mourino have nothing to prove, bla bla

patrickmuf:
FA cup and intercontinental tropohies?
If Pep were to retire now, will you equate him in the same bracket as fergie?

2 CL in 7yrs and 2 CL in 20yrs

Pep would rank higher

dopeJemi:


Pep has to prove that he can manage a not so ready made club, after all LVG won the FA cup with this shyte team, ranieri won the league with his shyte team, pep has to prove that he can win with not so established teams

You called City a "not so ready made club"? If Pep wins the league next season, you will be here to tell us how many epl titles they've won in the last 5 years.

Gerarahere Mehn

dopeJemi:


Name the top clubs our starting 11 will effortlessly walk into, i'm waiting and while you are at it, name the world class players in the team

Didn't Dayo just say the man city team is shyte? Didn't they spend? Torres was bought for 50million, he wasn't shyte at chelsea, omini knowest

According to you, when you spend 250M, you have automatically spent it on quality players


You were right, it wasn't your business

You wanna go that lane? Hmmm. I wouldn't go that way with you because you would make this a back-and-forth thingy.

And the fact that I said I didn't wanna delve into it doesn't mean it wasn't my business. Anyone can quote anyone here. If you don't wanna be quoted, then don't post at all. I said that for the sake of being mild and reasonable, but it seems you ain't thinking same.

You can believe anything you want though. I'd rather I converse with someone who would readily accept his failing. I have had it once or twice with GBR1, and I must say he knows when to accept or correct a misconception and he also knows when to go all out guns blazing.

So, have a blessed evening.

jstbeinhonest:



Stop spewing trash,'smart' manure fan.Barca went trophyless 06/07 &07/08....Pep Joined Barça 08/09.

What`s so special about going trophyless for two seasons. They went trophyless for four seasons before Rijkaard came and started the revolution. Rijkaard even did his with a lesser quality team.

GBR1:
Good post. Very good.

Shut up! How e no go be good post?

Debroslink:


You called City a "not so ready made club"? If Pep wins the league next season, you will be here to tell us how many epl titles they've won in the last 5 years.

Gerarahere Mehn

I never said that

raumdeuter:


2 CL in 7yrs and 2 CL in 20yrs

Pep would rank higher

Why should he rank higher when they have 2 CL each?

Debroslink:
You called City a "not so ready made club"? If Pep wins the league next season, you will be here to tell us how many epl titles they've won in the last 5 years.

Gerarahere Mehn

You get their plan,

Thats why I am forcing them to accept that both Pep and Mourinho have equal task and they would be held to the same standard

The Pep fans accepted, the Mourinho fans are the ones giving excuses like the so called Special One

SailorXY:

Why should he rank higher when they have 2 CL each?

One achieved same in a third of the time the other did

dopeJemi:
When did you guys go trophyless for two seasons before pep arrived? Make lie no kill you? Who won the 2006 champions league final and which year did pep take over


Answers on a postcard

Below are the players who started the 2006 CL final under Rijkaard

Valdes
Oleguer
Puyol
Marquez
Van Bronckhorst
Edmilson
Deco
Van Bommel
Guily
Etoo
Ronaldinho

3years later when Pep made his own CL final and won the treble. In the final game

Only Valdes Puyol and Etoo were left 3 out of 11

dmcdad:

You wanna go that lane? Hmmm. I wouldn't go that way with you because you would make this a back-and-forth thingy.

And the fact that I said I didn't wanna delve into it doesn't mean it wasn't my business. Anyone can quote anyone here. If you don't wanna be quoted, then don't post at all. I said that for the sake of being mild and reasonable, but it seems you ain't thinking same.

You can believe anything you want though. I'd rather I converse with someone who would readily accept his failing. I have had it once or twice with GBR1, and I must say he knows when to accept or correct a misconception and he also knows when to go all out guns blazing.

So, have a blessed evening.

Take your emotional, bitchy baby ass outta my face

adeyemi2015:

Why is it so hard for Raumdeuter to accept defeat and learn from it?!
He's too good at twisting, and dodging questions that can nail him to the Wall!
Chai!

What defeat?

WHy cant you Mourinho fans accept that both have the same task and put them to the same standards instead of giving excuses

dopeJemi:


Take your emotional, bitchy baby ass outta my face

Bruv that's not being emotional, it's being matured.

Why is it that you guys always say this when a niccur ain't ready to play the insults game

raumdeuter:


One achieved same in a third of the time the other did

Fergie has 49 majors in 39 years of management too. Unfair comparison.

One won two CL in his first three years. Since then how far? What's to say he'll surpass that number should he continue more 60 years in management?

raumdeuter:


Below are the players who started the 2006 CL final under Rijkaard

Valdes
Oleguer
Puyol
Marquez
Van Bronckhorst
Edmilson
Deco
Van Bommel
Guily
Etoo
Ronaldinho

3years later when Pep made his own CL final and won the treble. In the final game

Only Valdes Puyol and Etoo were left 3 out of 11

So you are using the line up from a match in 2006 to prove that Pep had that much of a different team in the 2009 CL? You are being dishonest here.
Why not state the line up of Rijkaard's last game or his average line up in the season to see how much different it is from Pep's team?

tess1:


What`s so special about going trophyless for two seasons. They went trophyless for four seasons before Rijkaard came and started the revolution. Rijkaard even did his with a lesser quality team.

Which rubbish revolution?

The true evolution every Barcelona fan knows is the Messi revolution.

Rijkaard won the UCL without Messi. Yes/No

Pep unleashed Messi the beast Yes/No

SailorXY:
Fergie has 49 majors in 39 years of management too. Unfair comparison.One won two CL in his first three years. Since then how far? What's to say he'll surpass that number should he continue more 60 years in management?

49 majors including those from Scotland? including Carling cup?

The only equal tournament both played was CL and one is 2/7 one is 2/20. Both titles Pep won, he comprehensively beat Fergie in the finals

Lets leave the "What is to say" part and address the one we have currently

2/7. vs 2/20

If the team Rijkaard left in 08 was that good they wont be trophyless in 2 years.

His last good team was the one to win a trophy was what I listed

So if Mourinho use the same players LvG used and finished 5th to win the league next season it would be said that it was LvG who built the team and Mourinho inherited a ready made team?

See how they are using excuses to tie themselves in a knot

Pep took a team who finished 18points behind the league leaders to win the treble 12 months later, they said he met a ready made team

If Mourinho takes LVG team who ended 15points behind league leaders to win the treble next year are we also going to say Mourinho met a ready made team?

Waiting to see how they spin this

Dopejemi

This Pep vs Fergie argument is pure bullsh1t regardless. They are two generations of coaches who spent or would spend most of their careers in different time periods, landscape and given conditions varies deeply and sample space are vastly too apart different to make a good comparison. The folks making this argument now are doing it because they've lost the Pep vs Mourinho own and are just pontificating and clutching at straws.

SailorXY:
Fergie has 49 majors in 39 years of management too. Unfair comparison.

One won two CL in his first three years. Since then how far? What's to say he'll surpass that number should he continue more 60 years in management?

22 major trophies in 7 years for Pep. Using this analogy, if Pep coaches for 39 years, he'll surpass 100 trophies.

raumdeuter:


49 majors including those from Scotland? including Carling cup?

The only equal tournament both played was CL and one is 2/7 one is 2/20. Both titles Pep won, he comprehensively beat Fergie in the finals

Lets leave the "What is to say" part and address the one we have currently

2/7. vs 2/20

Are we now sieving trophies by country? Then you should return after 13/14 years & we can have a fair result. As of now it's 2vs2.
An 18 yr old guy has ¥10k & an 80 yr old man has ¥10k, oga how the teen get money pass the baba??

Whether he beat Fergie or Zeus, it still counted as ONE trophy.

SailorXY:

Are we now sieving trophies by country? Then you should return after 13/14 years & we can have a fair result. As of now it's 2vs2.
An 18 yr old guy has ¥10k & an 80 yr old man has ¥10k, oga how the teen get money pass the baba??

Whether he beat Fergie or Zeus, it still counted as ONE trophy.

We can measure better where both played the same competition that is the CL
Caltic coach might have it easier winning than Arsenals coach but the CL is the leveller

it currently stands 2/7 vs 2/20