AlBaqir:


Please do not let the provocation of a newly recruited wahabi dog pushed you to the wall. May Allah forgive us all. I know you never meant that because that obviously is not what we do. The fact that you are not a follower of Yasir Habib who curses those personalities openly on air, you should not respond in that manner. Even the Ziyarat of Ashura only named Mu'awiyah ibn Abi Sufyan, his son Yazid, Umar ibn saad, shimr thil jawsan and Ibn Ziyad. It never mentioned Abubakar, Umar, wives of the prophet etc. And I believe you are aware that all Shi'i Maraji declared insulting and cursing any sahabah (except those doomed ones mentioned in Ziyarat Ashura) as Haram.

Liar! You and your deception!
Shia rain curses on Abubakr, Umar and Uthman(R. A. Ajmain) during their ziyaratul ashura. Shia rain curses on them hundreds of times on that single day not to talk of other curses they rain on those noble Companions of the Prophet(SAW) on other days and in their individual curses!

This is a response from your brother on the curses you rain on those Companions(R.A):

TheLight001:
So in essence, you accept that the shi'a do send la'an to Abu Bakr As-Sadiq (RA), Umar Ibn Khattab (RA), Usthman (RA) , and Muawiya (RA)?

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LagosShia:

yes, we do in Ziyarat Ashura, the "first zalim (oppressor) who oppressed the rights of Al-Muhammad" refers to Abu Bakr, the "second" refers to Umar, and the "third" to Usthman. then Muawiya, Yazeed, and al-Abi Sufyan (the family of abi sufyan) and banu umayyah are stated explicitly. dua sanamay q . then Muawiya, Yazeed, and al-Abi Sufyan (the family of abi sufyan) and banu umayyah are stated explicitly. dua sanamay quraysh (supplication against the two idols of quraysh) refers to the two perpetrators of Saqifah Banu Saeeda, i.e. Abu bakr and Umar. there is no taqiyyah in this as some lunatics want to dramatize.

This is one of the reasons why Scholars of Islam do not consider shia as part of Muslim Ummah!

Everyday I increase in certainty about the misguidance and stray of the filthy Rafidhoh (shia)!!!

Just take a look at this crap

[url=http://hobbollah.com/questions/هل-دعاء-صنمي-قريش-ثابت-ومعتبر؟/]دعاء صنمي قريس[/url]

Shia sheikhs are shameless liars. See the crap doesn't even have a chain. And the deviant dotard Majlisi even attributes it to Ali bn Abi Tolib (rodiyaLLaahu anhu).

And these gullible Fools follow their misguided sheikhs in this evil.

Farmerforlife:


Perhaps if you can be bothered enough, you could point out to the shia pundits that we Muslims do not ask the Kaaba or any dead inhabitant therein to fulfill our needs, nor grant us blessings that we know are in the hands of Allah alone, not dead people. Perhaps you might also wish to remind them that there is a huge difference between supplicating
"oh Allah [/b]grant me such and such and such need for the sake of the piety of such and such a person"
which is the tawssul permitted by the scholars and saying
"[b]oh Fatima, oh Ali, oh Abbass abul Fadl grant me my needs"
which of course is clear shirk as was practiced by the idol worshippers, and the Christians (who at least worship only 3gods, not 14).

now the question you need to ask is do the Shia believe that the Imams and the Ahlul-Bayt (as) are independent from Allah (swt) or are they chosen servants of Allah whom Allah (swt) has exalted above His servants?

Regarding the Prophet (s) Quran says:

"We sent not an apostle, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of God. If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come unto thee and asked God's forgiveness, and the Apostle had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found God indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful". (Holy Quran 4:64)

when you pray, you send salam to the holy Prophet (s) from thousands of miles away while he is buried in Medina. yet, the Prophet (s) is believed to be receiving our salams through the "malakain al-hafizain" (two guardian angels) bi iznil-lahi.

-It is not all correct to call the Imams (as) "deceased" as they are Shaheeds (martyrs), and according to the Holy Quran Shaheeds are "Living".

"And say not of those who are slain in the way of God: "They are dead."Nay, they are living, though ye perceive (it) not. (Quran 2:154)

Or perhaps you might want to show them this video that they asked for...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHksb2YOl4c

this video as usual, through the Wahhabi myopic view is imposing a belief on the Shia. lets say we call on dead people to help us or act as intermediaries with Allah. why are they (wahhabis in the video) quoting verses from the Quran referring to shirk? how did they conclude, as per the Quranic verses misquoted, that we are "worshiping" the "dead" by calling on them? why not simply prove that these particular dead cannot "hear" and cannot provide "intercession" with Allah? it is just an issue of whether the dead ones who were chosen ones of Allah (swt) can hear or cannot. these same chosen ones were given right of intercession and for the Prophet (s) to be sought for forgiveness as per verse 4:64.

then, lets assume that they hear or even do not hear, how does the verse about those who "worship" other than Allah fit in this context? do we believe that the Imams (as) for example are "gods" who can do and undo? or do we believe that these are chosen servants of Allah (swt) whom Allah has raised their ranks and granted them permission to intercede? how did they conclude that calling on the dead for intercession is "worshiping" the dead? i just quoted Quran verse 4:64 where the Muslims were told to ask the Prophet (s) for forgiveness when he was alive. we believe this verse can still be applied even when the Prophet (s) is dead because his status has not changed. and we believe this verse also extends to the Imams of the Ahlul-Bayt (as). but the point is how does this amount to shirk? how does it amount to us calling anyone beside or besides Allah (swt) when we accept and believe those are the servants and creatures of Allah (swt)? the mind of a Wahhabi and his fixation on making everyone a mushrik is rocket science!!!

For the record, 'imam arRiza' with the ' healing hotline' is the dead man inside the grave in the shrine.

Oh, and you might want to inform them that the cited tafseer of ibn Katheer of surat anNisaa verse 64, purporting to have a local bedouin go to the grave and ask for the prophet's (ﷺ) intercession is just a tale, for which there is neither basis nor isnaad, which is why it was not included in the abridged tafseer translation.

Reported by Bukhari and narrated by Abu Nuaym who said Sufyan narrated from Abu Ishaq who narrated from Abdur-Rahman Ibn Sa'ad who said:

Abdullah Ibn Umar's leg buckled and become paralyzed.So a man (Ibn Abbass) said to him :mention the name of the person most beloved to you.Ibn Umar thereby retorted:"Ya Muhammad".

"Ya Muhammad" (O Muhammad!)is a phrase of tawassul calling another person to gain favor or help.
The above report is by the following Sunni scholars of hadith:

1.) Bukhari reported in "Adab al-Mufrad" under the chapter "what a man should say if his leg buckled and become paralyzed"
2.) Al-Hafidh Ibn al-Sunni in his book amal al-yawm wal laylah ('deeds of day and night') in the chapter of "what to say if one's leg is paralyzed" in many chains;
3.)related by Ibn Saad in his Tabqat and also al-Hafidh Ibn Ja'ad in his Musnad,
4.) al-Hafidh Ibn Asakir in Tarikh Dimashq and al-Hafidh Ibn al-Mizziyy in Tahdhib al-Kamal
5.) al-Hafid Ibn Jazariyy in his two books,al-Hisbul Hasin,and Udatu al-Hisnil Hasin and al-Hafidh al-Nawawi in al-Adhkar


Please explain how the below is shirk or worship of the Prophet (s) or worshiping anyone beside or besides Allah!!! an example from the famous dua Tawasul:

O Allah, I beseech Thee, and turn towards Thee, through Thy Prophet, the Prophet of Mercy, Muhammad, may Allah Bless him and his Progeny, and grant them peace. O Abul-Qasim, O Messenger of Allah O guide of mercy, O intercessor of the community, O our chief, O our master, We turn towards thee, seek thy intercession and advocacy before Allah, we put before you our open need; O intimate of Allah, Stand by us when Allah sits in judgement over us.

Click to read the full dua: http://www.duas.org/tawasul.htm

Newnas:
BismiLLahir Rahmaanir Raheem
A complete retort to the deviant alliance.

I say ~wa biLLaahi taofeeq~
Using people (whether pious or otherwise) as wasila (means of seeking closeness) to Allah is prohibited rather it is tantamount to disbelief.

The same argument you deviants brought forth is the same argument of the polytheists as Allah mentioned in Surah Zumar:

Surah Az-Zumar, Verse 3:
أَلَا لِلَّهِ الدِّينُ الْخَالِصُ وَالَّذِينَ اتَّخَذُوا مِن دُونِهِ أَوْلِيَاءَ مَا نَعْبُدُهُمْ إِلَّا لِيُقَرِّبُونَا إِلَى اللَّهِ زُلْفَىٰ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَحْكُمُ بَيْنَهُمْ فِي مَا هُمْ فِيهِ يَخْتَلِفُونَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي مَنْ هُوَ كَاذِبٌ كَفَّارٌ

Surely, the religion (i.e. the worship and the obedience) is for Allah only. And those who take Auliya' (protectors and helpers) besides Him (say): "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allah." Verily, Allah will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allah guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

As you can see, Allah calls them disbelievers in the end of the verse.

They never claimed that their idols were Supreme, they only took them as wasila (intermediaries).
This claim is still common among the polytheists till today.
the Christians say that they don't worship Jesus but only take him as a bridge between them and God because. And we all agree that they are disbelievers.
Note: Eesa bn Maryam that the Christians take as wasila is a messenger and even one of the five ulul azm. There is no one else apart from Allah's messenger in this ummah who could be better than Eesa alyhissolaat wassalaam.
Yet those who take him as intermediary are expressly declared as disbelievers.

The question is this, is it that once a person attributes himself to Islam it doesn't matter whatever act of disbelief and sin he commits?!

I don't know where people got this double standard from.
I thank Allah for the mercy of knowing the pristine Islam.

to be continued.... in shaa Allah

It is written in Kanzul Fawaid by Karajaki that once Imam Jafar-e-Sadiq (asws) was eating food with Abu Hanifa and after finisning, Imam Jafar-e-Sadiq (asws) expressed gratitude like this:

“I thank Allah (azwj) who is the Sustainer of All Worlds, O Allah (azwj) this was a blessing from You (azwj) as well as from Your Prophet (saww).”

Upon hearing this Abu Hanifa said: “O Abu AbdAllah (asws)! You have include ‘someone else’ along with Allah (azwj).”

Imam Jafar-e-Sadiq (asws) replied: “Be Careful! Allah (azwj) Says in His Book(9:59):

“If only they had been content with what Allah and His Messenger had gave them, and had said, "Sufficient unto us is Allah! Allah and His Messenger will soon give us out of their Kindness"

And at another place Allah (azwj) Says (9:74):

“……And they only stayed in opposition because Allah and His Messenger enriched them out of His grace….."

After listening to these Verses from Imam Jafar-e-Sadiq (asws), Abu Hanifa said: “By Allah (azwj)! It seems I have never read or heard someone reciting these Verses of the holy Quran before.”

Imam Jafar-e-Sadiq (asws) said: “No, its not like this! You have not only heard these Verses before but also have read them. However, Allah (azwj) Says for you and people like you(47:24):

“Will they then not meditate on the Qur'an, or are there locks on the hearts?”

and Says (83:14):

“Nay, but that which they have earned is rust upon their hearts.

[Also recorded in: Bihar Al Anwar Vol.47 Pg.240]

source:

"Can Imam's (as) create and give sustenance?"
http://www.marefateahlebait.com/know-the-ahlul-bait/can-imam-s-as-create-give-sustenance

as per the Wahhabi Takfiri mentality, it is shirk for a Muslim to go to hospital when he is sick and seek the aid of a doctor to be cured. this is the view of the Quran:

"And when I am ill, it is He who cures me" (Holy Quran 26:80)

people who have made Takfir their fundamental doctrine can easily distort the meanings of the Quran to suit their mission. of course, the Wahhabi hypocrite will be quick to reason that a doctor cures through the knowledge given by Allah and the products of nature, and one gets cured by the permission of Allah. so if that is the case with a doctor, then why cant you reason the same with the Prophet (s) and the Imams of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) that they provide by Allah's permission? at most, this is an issue of believing or not believing that the chosen ones who are dead are given permission and power to intercede when they are in the state of death or do not have that privilege. in other words, can they or cant they hear. it is no issue of shirk at all.

if you say Ya Muhammad or Ya Hussain, and these two holy personages cannot hear you because they are dead, saying or calling their blessed names alone is enough for Allah who is the ever-living to hear and respond for their sake because those names are dear and honored by Allah (swt). it is still tawassul!

Newnas:
Everyday I increase in certainty about the misguidance and stray of the filthy Rafidhoh (shia)!!!

Just take a look at this crap

[url=http://hobbollah.com/questions/هل-دعاء-صنمي-قريش-ثابت-ومعتبر؟/]دعاء صنمي قريش[/url]

Shia sheikhs are shameless liars. See the crap doesn't even have a chain. And the deviant dotard Majlisi even attributes it to Ali bn Abi Tolib (rodiyaLLaahu anhu).

And these gullible Fools follow their misguided sheikhs in this evil.

Question:
What is the view on the authenticity of Dua-e-Saname Quraish?

Answer:
http://www.alqatrah.net/en/question/index.php?id=237

MrOlai:


Liar! You and your deception!
Shia rain curses on Abubakr, Umar and Uthman(R. A. Ajmain) during their ziyaratul ashura. Shia rain curses on them hundreds of times on that single day not to talk of other curses they rain on those noble Companions of the Prophet(SAW) on other days and in their individual curses!

This is a response from your brother on the curses you rain on those Companions(R.A):

This is one of the reasons why Scholars of Islam do not consider shia as part of Muslim Ummah!

why dont you see what you are saying in the context of promoting fitnah? if a Shia like AlBaqir is refusing to rain curses on "Sanamay Qureysh" for the sake of not offending your tender and loving feelings for "Sanamay Qureysh", then why dont you appreciate AlBaqir's stance? why dont you see it as conciliatory move by AlBaqir that should bring Muslims together? dont you care about the "Sanamay" that you dont want them cursed? so you got your wish, even though he may still do it privately. thank him instead! dont be an ingrate.

may Allah not count us d believers among those who will experience d blazing flames of hell.ameen

ShiaMuslim:


It is written in Kanzul Fawaid by Karajaki that once Imam Jafar-e-Sadiq (asws) was eating food with Abu Hanifa and after finisning, Imam Jafar-e-Sadiq (asws) expressed gratitude like this:

“I thank Allah (azwj) who is the Sustainer of All Worlds, O Allah (azwj) this was a blessing from You (azwj) as well as from Your Prophet (saww).”

Upon hearing this Abu Hanifa said: “O Abu AbdAllah (asws)! You have include ‘someone else’ along with Allah (azwj).”

Imam Jafar-e-Sadiq (asws) replied: “Be Careful! Allah (azwj) Says in His Book(9:59):

“If only they had been content with what Allah and His Messenger had gave them, and had said, "Sufficient unto us is Allah! Allah and His Messenger will soon give us out of their Kindness"

And at another place Allah (azwj) Says (9:74):

“……And they only stayed in opposition because Allah and His Messenger enriched them out of His grace….."

After listening to these Verses from Imam Jafar-e-Sadiq (asws), Abu Hanifa said: “By Allah (azwj)! It seems I have never read or heard someone reciting these Verses of the holy Quran before.”

Imam Jafar-e-Sadiq (asws) said: “No, its not like this! You have not only heard these Verses before but also have read them. However, Allah (azwj) Says for you and people like you(47:24):

“Will they then not meditate on the Qur'an, or are there locks on the hearts?”

and Says (83:14):

“Nay, but that which they have earned is rust upon their hearts.

[Also recorded in: Bihar Al Anwar Vol.47 Pg.240]

source:

"Can Imam's (as) create and give sustenance?"
http://www.marefateahlebait.com/know-the-ahlul-bait/can-imam-s-as-create-give-sustenance

But why do you Shi'as ignore the context on which the noble verses of the Qur'an were being revealed?

Only Allah (azwj) gives sustenance, The first verse was revealed because the Hypocrites questioned the Integrity of the Messenger when distributing alms, so the verse rebuked them, telling them to be contented with whatever they are given.

And the second, was talking about Allah alone, notice the use of "hi" the singular form and not "huma" dual form,

Moreover Muhammad(pbuh) said on many occasions that:

"By He in Whose Hand is my life! I do not give or withhold anything; I am only a keeper."

So i wonder how distribution of Alms(in the proper context) which was given to Muhammad by Allah equals what you are trying to claim.

lexiconkabir:


But why do you Shi'as ignore the context on which the noble verses of the Qur'an were being revealed?

Only Allah (azwj) gives sustenance, The first verse was revealed because the Hypocrites questioned the Integrity of the Messenger when distributing alms, so the verse rebuked them, telling them to be contented with whatever they are given.

And the second, was talking about Allah alone, notice the use of "hi" the singular form and not "huma" dual form,

Moreover Muhammad(pbuh) said on many occasions that:

"By He in Whose Hand is my life! I do not give or withhold anything; I am only a keeper."

So i wonder how distribution of Alms(in the proper context) which was given to Muhammad by Allah equals what you are trying to claim.

You mind them? Once I saw their nonsense interpretation of this verse, based on some fabricated narration purporting to spread falsehood about Jaafar asSaadiq and Abu Hanifah, I just decided to ignore them in totality. Their case is hopeless.

lexiconkabir:


But why do you Shi'as ignore the context on which the noble verses of the Qur'an were being revealed?

Only Allah (azwj) gives sustenance, The first verse was revealed because the Hypocrites questioned the Integrity of the Messenger when distributing alms, so the verse rebuked them, telling them to be contented with whatever they are given.

And the second, was talking about Allah alone, notice the use of "hi" the singular form and not "huma" dual form,

Moreover Muhammad(pbuh) said on many occasions that:

"By He in Whose Hand is my life! I do not give or withhold anything; I am only a keeper."

So i wonder how distribution of Alms(in the proper context) which was given to Muhammad by Allah equals what you are trying to claim.

Apart from the underlined, I agreed with you in totality. Besides my brother up there has not given us the authenticity of the above narration. Until he prove that, the narration by default is weak.

AlBaqir:


Apart from the underlined,

I once saw a video on YouTube by a shia scholar claiming that the first 5verses of suratul hujurat called Umar and Abu Bakr (radi Allahu 'anhumã) Kafirs! This he did without putting the Qur'an in it's proper context, now here is your brother trying to distort the original meanings of the Qur'an by ignoring the context, so i concluded by mathematical induction that you shi'as ignore the Context on which the noble verses of the Qur'an were being revealed, i may be wrong, i may be right.

I agreed with you in totality. Besides my brother up there has not given us the authenticity of the above narration. Until he prove that, the narration by default is weak.

Then you should've asked him for it since(as it seems) it's alien to you, if i hadnt objected, innocent brothers will take that interpretation as fact.

^And you see how good your mathematical induction is. 2 out of millions = millions. So ISIS, al-Qaeda, al-Nusra, al-Shabab, Boko haram et al, all profess Sunnism and they are world terrorists. Applying your mathematical induction, does that make ALL Sunni terrorist?

# Sometimes its NOT necessary to explain or use a verse within its context. Many independent verses were lumped into foreign verses during compilation. And interestingly Sunni seem to hide or ignore the Tafasir of the Prophet for these noble verses and chose to re-interpret using their "context". If you wish I can cite you few examples then you will see "context" doesn't work all the time. Again, the onus lies on my brother to provide the authenticity of the riwayat. If he does, that will be absolutely fantastic and it will put my initial support for you to grave.

.

AlBaqir:
^And you see how good your mathematical induction is. 2 out of millions = millions. So ISIS, al-Qaeda, al-Nusra, al-Shabab, Boko haram et al, all profess Sunnism and they are world terrorists. Applying your mathematical induction, does that make ALL Sunni terrorist?

# Sometimes its NOT necessary to explain or use a verse within its context. Many independent verses were lumped into foreign verses during compilation. And interestingly Sunni seem to hide or ignore the Tafasir of the Prophet for these noble verses and chose to re-interpret using their "context". If you wish I can cite you few examples then you will see "context" doesn't work all the time. Again, the onus lies on my brother to provide the authenticity of the riwayat. If he does, that will be absolutely fantastic and it will put my initial support for you to grave.

As per the bolded, do cite the examples pls

grownaira:


As per the bolded, do cite the examples pls

1. Sura Al-Ra‘d: 7

"And those who disbelieve say: Why has not a sign been sent down upon him from his Lord? You are only a warner and (there is) a guide for every people. "

Al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani's words in Fath al-Bari fi sharh Sahih al-Bukhari:

Al-Tabari has narrated it with a good (hasan) chain through the route of Sa'id b. Jubayr from Ibn 'Abbas:

When this verse was revealed, the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, placed his hand on his chest and said: "I am the warner." And he pointed to 'Ali and said: "You are the guide. After me, the rightly guided ones will become guided through you."

That report is in vol. 8, p. 376 of Fath al-Bari. You can verify it here:
http://islamport.com/w/srh/Web/2747/4613.htm

And here http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=8483&idto=8484&bk_no=52&ID=2468


2. Imam al-Tirmidhi (d. 279H) documents;

Umar Ibn Abi Salamah, the dependent of the Prophet, peace be upon him: WHEN THIS VERSE {Allah intends but only to keep impurity away all from you, O AHL AL-BAYT, and to purify you absolutely} WAS REVEALED upon the Prophet, peace be upon him, in the house of Umm Salamah, he called Fatima, Hassan and Hussayn and spread a cloak over them while ‘Ali was behind him. Then, he covered them with a cloak. Then, he said, “O Allah! THESE ARE MY AHL AL-BAYT. So keep impurity away from them and purify them absolutely.”

Umm Salamah said, “Am I with them, O Prophet of Allah? He replied,“You are upon your place and you are upon a good thing.”

Allamah Nasir deen alAlbani comments: Sahih (authentic)

Ref: {al-Jami al-Sahih Sunan al-Tirmidhi, [annotator: Nasir deen al-Albani], vol. 5, p. 351, #3205}.

Check online: http://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/49
Hadith 3787, Kitab manaqib (book on virtues). However, there is a translation error of that hadith in the link. The corresponding Arabic is intact and correct.

NOTE: This short individual ayah is now conjoined as part of verse 33 of surah Ahzab which from verse 29/30 till 35 addressed the wives of the Prophet. This context made nearly all Sunni Mufassir erroneously interpreted the independent "ayah of purification" refer to the wives of the Prophet as against the the Prophet's Tafsir cited above.


3. Imam Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir al-Quran al-Azim under the ayah {This day, I have perfected your religion for you and have completed My blessings upon you, and have chosen for you Islam} writes:

Ibn Jarir recorded that Harun bin `Antarah said that his father said, "WHEN THE AYAH, (This day, I have perfected your religion for you...) WAS REVEALED, during the great day of Hajj (the Day of `Arafah, the ninth day of Dhul-Hijjah) `Umar cried. The Prophet said, `What makes you cry' He said, `What made me cry is that our religion is being perfected for us. Now it is perfect, nothing is perfect, but it is bound to deteriorate.' The Prophet said, (You have said the truth.)''
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=822&Itemid=60

NOTE: Today the ayah does not enjoy its individual lone place. It is however conjoined with other foreign verses that talks about Halal and Haram foods and occupied verse 3 of Surah al-Maidah.

# Those are just few examples. There are lots of them.

AlBaqir:


1. Sura Al-Ra‘d: 7

"And those who disbelieve say: Why has not a sign been sent down upon him from his Lord? You are only a warner and (there is) a guide for every people. "

Al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani's words in Fath al-Bari fi sharh Sahih al-Bukhari:

Al-Tabari has narrated it with a good (hasan) chain through the route of Sa'id b. Jubayr from Ibn 'Abbas:

When this verse was revealed, the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, placed his hand on his chest and said: "I am the warner." And he pointed to 'Ali and said: "You are the guide. After me, the rightly guided ones will become guided through you."

That report is in vol. 8, p. 376 of Fath al-Bari. You can verify it here:
http://islamport.com/w/srh/Web/2747/4613.htm

And here http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=8483&idto=8484&bk_no=52&ID=2468


2. Imam al-Tirmidhi (d. 279H) documents;

Umar Ibn Abi Salamah, the dependent of the Prophet, peace be upon him: WHEN THIS VERSE {Allah intends but only to keep impurity away all from you, O AHL AL-BAYT, and to purify you absolutely} WAS REVEALED upon the Prophet, peace be upon him, in the house of Umm Salamah, he called Fatima, Hassan and Hussayn and spread a cloak over them while ‘Ali was behind him. Then, he covered them with a cloak. Then, he said, “O Allah! THESE ARE MY AHL AL-BAYT. So keep impurity away from them and purify them absolutely.”

Umm Salamah said, “Am I with them, O Prophet of Allah? He replied,“You are upon your place and you are upon a good thing.”

Allamah Nasir deen alAlbani comments: Sahih (authentic)

Ref: {al-Jami al-Sahih Sunan al-Tirmidhi, [annotator: Nasir deen al-Albani], vol. 5, p. 351, #3205}.

Check online: http://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/49
Hadith 3787, Kitab manaqib (book on virtues). However, there is a translation error of that hadith in the link. The corresponding Arabic is intact and correct.

NOTE: This short individual ayah is now conjoined as part of verse 33 of surah Ahzab which from verse 29/30 till 35 addressed the wives of the Prophet. This context made nearly all Sunni Mufassir erroneously interpreted the independent "ayah of purification" refer to the wives of the Prophet as against the the Prophet's Tafsir cited above.


3. Imam Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir al-Quran al-Azim under the ayah {This day, I have perfected your religion for you and have completed My blessings upon you, and have chosen for you Islam} writes:

Ibn Jarir recorded that Harun bin `Antarah said that his father said, "WHEN THE AYAH, (This day, I have perfected your religion for you...) WAS REVEALED, during the great day of Hajj (the Day of `Arafah, the ninth day of Dhul-Hijjah) `Umar cried. The Prophet said, `What makes you cry' He said, `What made me cry is that our religion is being perfected for us. Now it is perfect, nothing is perfect, but it is bound to deteriorate.' The Prophet said, (You have said the truth.)''
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=822&Itemid=60

NOTE: Today the ayah does not enjoy its individual lone place. It is however conjoined with other foreign verses that talks about Halal and Haram foods and occupied verse 3 of Surah al-Maidah.

# Those are just few examples. There are lots of them.

Just one Question, since Ali(r.a) became khalifah after uthman(r.a), why didn't he(Ali) make the necessary corrections?

visiting graves of Awliya is shirk to us, but visiting george washington's grave & presenting flowers is permissible!

lexiconkabir:


Just one Question, since Ali(r.a) became khalifah after uthman(r.a), why didn't he(Ali) make the necessary corrections?

-because the ummah deviated, and the former caliphs had their loyalists. it was all about the "paycheck".

-Imam Ali (as) did for example asked his son Imam Hassan (as) to discourage tarawih in Kufa. but they accused him of wanting to change the "sunnah" of shaykhain (i.e. abu bakr and umar)

-Aisha rebelled

-Muawiya rebelled

there was already enough opposition against him (as) and obviously people were not ready to change. however, that is not to say there were no diehard loyalist (Shia) of his who abide by him.

lexiconkabir:


But why do you Shi'as ignore the context on which the noble verses of the Qur'an were being revealed?

Only Allah (azwj) gives sustenance, The first verse was revealed because the Hypocrites questioned the Integrity of the Messenger when distributing alms, so the verse rebuked them, telling them to be contented with whatever they are given.

And the second, was talking about Allah alone, notice the use of "hi" the singular form and not "huma" dual form,

Moreover Muhammad(pbuh) said on many occasions that:

"By He in Whose Hand is my life! I do not give or withhold anything; I am only a keeper."

So i wonder how distribution of Alms(in the proper context) which was given to Muhammad by Allah equals what you are trying to claim.

the sustenance the Prophet (s) or the Imams (as) can give you is not from them or by their power. it is by the power given to them by Allah as intercessors/mediators. when you view the Prophet (s) and the Imams (as) as independent powers from Allah and more than servants of Allah, something we do not do even though we hold on to Tawassul and Shafaa/Istighatha, then you will reach the wrong conclusion.

lexiconkabir:


I once saw a video on YouTube by a shia scholar claiming that the first 5verses of suratul hujurat called Umar and Abu Bakr (radi Allahu 'anhumã) Kafirs! This he did without putting the Qur'an in it's proper context, now here is your brother trying to distort the original meanings of the Qur'an by ignoring the context, so i concluded by mathematical induction that you shi'as ignore the Context on which the noble verses of the Qur'an were being revealed, i may be wrong, i may be right.


Then you should've asked him for it since(as it seems) it's alien to you, if i hadnt objected, innocent brothers will take that interpretation as fact.

please what meaning of the Quran are you referring to and what narration are you asking for?

Abu Bakr Ibn Abi Qahafa, the first Sunni caliph, said:

"I FAILED TO SHOW RESPECT TOWARDS THE HOUSE OF FATIMA"

(Tarikh al-Tabari Volume 2, Page 24)

ShiaMuslim:


-because the ummah deviated, and the former caliphs had their loyalists. it was all about the "paycheck".

-Imam Ali (as) did for example asked his son Imam Hassan (as) to discourage tarawih in Kufa. but they accused him of wanting to change the "sunnah" of shaykhain (i.e. abu bakr and umar)

You will have to give me reference from sunni books, i want full reference.

-Aisha rebelled

-Muawiya rebelled

How? Hope its not what I'm thinking, if it is then you've failed woefully.

there was already enough opposition against him (as) and obviously people were not ready to change. however, that is not to say there were no diehard loyalist (Shia) of his who abide by him.

Where exactly in the sunnis books did he tried to stop taraweeh? Moreover why didnt he oppose the khalifas before him? He wasnt a shy man.

Note: I'm asking for sunnis books.

According to your books Ali was suppose to fight for the interpretation of the Quran like the prophet fought for its revelation, since the prophet later triumphed and got the correct and complete revelation, then Ali is expected to triumph as regards the interpretation.

ShiaMuslim:


the sustenance the Prophet (s) or the Imams (as) can give you is not from them or by their power. it is by the power given to them by Allah as intercessors/mediators. when you view the Prophet (s) and the Imams (as) as independent powers from Allah and more than servants of Allah, something we do not do even though we hold on to Tawassul and Shafaa/Istighatha, then you will reach the wrong conclusion.

You said they can create and give sustenance using weak evidence, only Allah has that power, its Allah alone we ask for help!

We don't need any mediator before getting sustenance from Allah.....moreover , which intercessor is giving us sustenance in our daily lives? By Allah, none! ThisThis goes a long way to prove that we do not need any intercessor to get our sustenance.

I watched a video recently where one of your shuyukh said, a muslim saying "Ya Allah" is wrong, that you should say "ya Ali" or "ya hassan" or "ya mahdi" and so on , because Allah said we should call him by his most beautiful names and to him(the sheikh) the most beautiful names of Allah is Muhammad and his Ahl-bayt, now this begs the question, which of your Auliyas bears Allah and Ar-Rahman? Because these are the most beautiful names of Allah.

ShiaMuslim:


please what meaning of the Quran are you referring to and what narration are you asking for?

Abu Bakr Ibn Abi Qahafa, the first Sunni caliph, said:

[s]"I FAILED TO SHOW RESPECT TOWARDS THE HOUSE OF FATIMA"[/s]

(Tarikh al-Tabari Volume 2, Page 24)

My statement is self explanatory. Youve not given us proof for that fabricated narration you gave.

lexiconkabir:

My statement is self explanatory. Youve not given us proof for that fabricated narration you gave.

Which narration are you referring to?

lexiconkabir:


You said they can create and give sustenance using weak evidence, only Allah has that power, its Allah alone we ask for help!

We don't need any mediator before getting sustenance from Allah.....moreover , which intercessor is giving us sustenance in our daily lives? By Allah, none! ThisThis goes a long way to prove that we do not need any intercessor to get our sustenance.

Jesus was given the power to create. Is the Quran wrong on that? This goes to show that Allah can give powers to His servants. And those powers the chosen creatures of Allah possess do not make them gods. We still worship Allah alone and He alone is our Lord and Him alone do we worship and Him alone do we seek His aid.

In the Holy Quran, it is pointed that Allah and His Messenger provide sustenance. The Messenger through His blessings from Allah, for His sake and when he intercedes on our behalf for forgiveness and mercy.

The Quran says "seek an intercession to Allah". You cannot stop that if someone chooses to.

I watched a video recently where one of your shuyukh said, a muslim saying "Ya Allah" is wrong, that you should say "ya Ali" or "ya hassan" or "ya mahdi" and so on , because Allah said we should call him by his most beautiful names and to him(the sheikh) the most beautiful names of Allah is Muhammad and his Ahl-bayt, now this begs the question, which of your Auliyas bears Allah and Ar-Rahman? Because these are the most beautiful names of Allah.

No Shia scholar can say saying Ya Allah is wrong. It's either one of those mistranslated videos of yours or the scholar is misguided. What we are even talking about is not a competition between Allah and His servants. It's not a matter of which is better as Allah is the Creator and the Imams are His servants. Throughout the day, I pray to Allah and call on Allah. However when I feel my prayers are not answered, I call on Allah through His beloved. The way you are putting it is based on fear of shirk and a wrong understating of tawassul. You are so naive to think it's a matter of competition between Allah and His servants, when without Allah we won't recognize those servants. It is the position and blessings Allah has placed those creatures and servants of His that draw us nearer to them.

lexiconkabir:


You will have to give me reference from sunni books, i want full reference.

How? Hope its not what I'm thinking, if it is then you've failed woefully.

Where exactly in the sunnis books did he tried to stop taraweeh? Moreover why didnt he oppose the khalifas before him? He wasnt a shy man.

Note: I'm asking for sunnis books.

According to your books Ali was suppose to fight for the interpretation of the Quran like the prophet fought for its revelation, since the prophet later triumphed and got the correct and complete revelation, then Ali is expected to triumph as regards the interpretation.

My brother, where did I say or claim that the record of where Imam Ali and his son (as) prevented people from Taraweeh is in Sunni book? I didn't claim that and I've not come across a Sunni record. I know of two sahih reports in Shia records where Imam Ali (as) explained why he didn't more vigorously stop Taraweeh and why he didn't return Fadak and undo the changes made by his predecessors regarded as bid'ah. And in another sahih report, it is cited where Imam Hassan (as) dissuaded people from Taraweeh but their reply was "wa Umar"! They clearly did not say "wa Muhamnad" because they accepted it is the tradition of umar and not Muhamnad (s). Further, Imam Ali (as) would've been your third caliph had he accepted the condition to abide by the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) and the "sunnah" of shaykhain (abu Bakr and Umar). He refused and usthman got it. Usthman was killed and in the process before being killed nominated no successor. The Muslim were without a political leader they all accepted. So majority looked up to Imam Ali (as). Others rebelled.

Aisha rebelled in the battle of Jamal.

Muawiyah in the battle of siffeen.

These are two instances Imam Ali (as) fought for the revelation and went ahead to nominate his son as successor and caliph of all Muslims, the clearest sign that Imam Ali (as) applied the Imamate of the Ahlul-Bayt (as). With the battle of Nahrwan against the khawarij, Imam Ali (as) fought three battles in a short period of his rule. Even when Imam Hassan (as) had truce with Muawiya, one of the conditions is that upon Muawiya's death it will be handed over to Imam Hussein (as). Yet, Muawiya passed it to his unislamic son Yazeed as the sixth Sunni caliph.

So really when I mention an event recorded in Shia records, and you ask for a Sunni record, it's like a Christian asking for proof in the Bible for fasting in the month of Ramadan.

“The Caliphs before me intentionally practiced such acts in which they went against Rasool Allah (saww). They broke the promises (which they made with Rasool) and changed the Sunnah of Rasool Allah (saww). If (today) I ask people to leave all these things (innovations) and restore things back to the way they were at the time of Rasulullah (s), my army shall rebel and abandon me, and I shall be left alone. All that shall remain turning to me shall be those Shi’a who recognise my virtues and rank.

He then elaborate with examples:

[b]“If I return Fadak to the heirs of Fatima and if I order to restore the “SA’a” (a unit for measuring wheat) of Rasool Allah (s). And if I return the properties, which were given by Rasool (s) to their original owners, and deny the decisions which were based on injustice (and tyranny), and snatch the women who were illegally taken by some people and return them to their husbands, and if I deny the (unjust) distribution of Fadak, and start giving the shares to every one equally (as were originally given by Rasool (s), but earlier caliphs started giving according to status), …. and restore the condition of Khums of Rasool (saww), and restore the mosque of the Prophet (s) to its original position, and make “Masah alal Khaffin” haram, and issue the punishment (“Had”) for drinking “Nabeedh” (alcohol made out of barley), and give the fatwa for Mut’ah being Halaal, and start saying 5 Takbirs at funeral, and make it obligatory upon people to recite “Bismillah” loudly during Salat …… and ask people to follow the Quranic and Sunnah way of giving Talaq, and ask people to give all the Sadaqat, and to restore the way of ablution, bathing and prayer to it’s original form and time, and give back the fidya (which was unjustly taken) to people of Najran, and return the slave girls of people of Persia, and ask people to return to Qur’an and Sunnah of Rasool (s), then all people will abandon me (and I will be left alone). I ordered people that they should only gather for Fardh (obligatory) prayers during Ramadhan, and told them that congregation (Jamah) in Nafal (i.e. Tarawih) is a Bidah (innovation) then all of these people started shouting that Sunnah of Hadhrat Umar has been changed.[/b]

Rudhutul Kafi, Sermon of Al-Fatan wa Al-Bidah, page 59, published in Iran.
Majlesi said: ‘According to me it is authentic’(Miraat al-Uqool, v25 p130).
Hadi Najafi said: ‘The chain is Sahih’ (Maowsouat Ahadith Ahlulbayt, v4 p286).
Ali Koorani said: ‘The chain is Sahih’ (Alf Sooal wa Ishkal, v2 p84).
Yusuf Bahrani said: ‘Sahih’ (Al-Hadaeq al-Nadhera, v8 p168).

Imam al-Baqir (as) and Imam al-Sadiq (as) were also asked about the permissibility of praying optional prayers in congregation during the nights of Ramadan, they both narrated a tradition of the Prophet (s) where

he said:

“Verily, the offering of nafila (recommended prayers) in congregation during the nights of Ramadan is an INNOVATION… O people! do not say nafila prayers of Ramadan in congregation…. Without doubt, performing a minor act of worship which is according to the sunnah is better than performing a major act of worship which is an innovation.”
al-Hurr al-Amili, Wasa’il al-Shia, volume 8 page 45

Abi Abdillah (as) was asked about the prayers at the mosque during the month of Ramadhaan, he said:

When Ameer al-Mu’mineen (as) went forth to Kufa, he ordered al-Hassan (as) to call to the people: “There are no congregational prayers in the month of Ramadhaan. So al-Hassan bin Ali (as) called to the people by what Ameer al-Mu’mineen (as) ordered him, so when the people these words they chanted: “Oh Umar! Oh Umar!”.

So when al-Hassan bin Ali (as) returned to Ameer al-Mu’mineen (as), he (Ali) asked: “What is this noise? So (al-Hassan) replied:

“Oh Ameer al-Mu’mineen, the people are chanting: “Oh Umar! Oh Umar!”. Ameer al-Mu’mineen (as) said: “tell them ‘pray.’”

Sanad: `Ali b. al-Hasan b. Faddal from Ahmad b. al-Hasan from `Amr b. Sa`d al-Mada’ini from Musaddaq b. Sadaqa from `Ammar who said the above hadith
Source: Wasaa’il al-Shia (Aale Bayt), Volume 8, Page 46, Hadith #2 (See Image 1 below)
Grading: Shaikh Hadi al-Najafi said the hadith is Reliable (الرواية معتبرة الإسناد.) [Mawsu’atu ahadith ahlulbayt (as), Volume 4, Hadith #3, Page 287 (See Image 2 below)]

in another hadith:
Abi Abdillah (as) and Abi Ja’far (as) said: “When Ameer al-Mu’mineen (as) was in Kufa, the people came to him and said: “Appoint for us an Imam (of prayer) to lead us in Ramadhaan. So he replied to them: “No” and he forbade them from congregating in it. So when the evening came (the people) would say: “Cry (for) Ramadhaan, Oh Ramadhaan” So Haarith al-ahwar came from among people (to Ali) and said: “Oh Ameer al-Mu’mineen, the people are causing a fuss and dislike your words. He replied: “Leave them to do want, and let them pray with whom they want” then he said (the following ayah) “And whoever [..] follows other than the way of the believers – We will give him what he has taken and drive him into Hell, and evil it is as a destination.” (4:115)

Sanad: Muhammad b. Idris in the end of as-Sara’ir transmitting from the book of Abu ‘l-Qasim Ja`far b. Muhammad b. Qulawayh who said the above hadith
Source: Wasaa’il al-Shia (Aale Bayt), Volume 8, Page 47, Hadith #5 (See Image 1 below)

if with all these and with a Hadith in your "almighty" sahih bukhari where Umar called Taraweeh a "good bidah" are not enough enough to convince you, then nothing will. La Kum dinukum wa liyah deen.

ShiaMuslim:
Abi Abdillah (as) was asked about the prayers at the mosque during the month of Ramadhaan, he said:

When Ameer al-Mu’mineen (as) went forth to Kufa, he ordered al-Hassan (as) to call to the people: “There are no congregational prayers in the month of Ramadhaan. So al-Hassan bin Ali (as) called to the people by what Ameer al-Mu’mineen (as) ordered him, so when the people these words they chanted: “Oh Umar! Oh Umar!”.

So when al-Hassan bin Ali (as) returned to Ameer al-Mu’mineen (as), he (Ali) asked: “What is this noise? So (al-Hassan) replied:

“Oh Ameer al-Mu’mineen, the people are chanting: “Oh Umar! Oh Umar!”. Ameer al-Mu’mineen (as) said: “tell them ‘pray.’”

Sanad: `Ali b. al-Hasan b. Faddal from Ahmad b. al-Hasan from `Amr b. Sa`d al-Mada’ini from Musaddaq b. Sadaqa from `Ammar who said the above hadith
Source: Wasaa’il al-Shia (Aale Bayt), Volume 8, Page 46, Hadith #2 (See Image 1 below)
Grading: Shaikh Hadi al-Najafi said the hadith is Reliable (الرواية معتبرة الإسناد.) [Mawsu’atu ahadith ahlulbayt (as), Volume 4, Hadith #3, Page 287 (See Image 2 below)]

in another hadith:
Abi Abdillah (as) and Abi Ja’far (as) said: “When Ameer al-Mu’mineen (as) was in Kufa, the people came to him and said: “Appoint for us an Imam (of prayer) to lead us in Ramadhaan. So he replied to them: “No” and he forbade them from congregating in it. So when the evening came (the people) would say: “Cry (for) Ramadhaan, Oh Ramadhaan” So Haarith al-ahwar came from among people (to Ali) and said: “Oh Ameer al-Mu’mineen, the people are causing a fuss and dislike your words. He replied: “Leave them to do want, and let them pray with whom they want” then he said (the following ayah) “And whoever [..] follows other than the way of the believers – We will give him what he has taken and drive him into Hell, and evil it is as a destination.” (4:115)

Sanad: Muhammad b. Idris in the end of as-Sara’ir transmitting from the book of Abu ‘l-Qasim Ja`far b. Muhammad b. Qulawayh who said the above hadith
Source: Wasaa’il al-Shia (Aale Bayt), Volume 8, Page 47, Hadith #5 (See Image 1 below)

if with all these and with a Hadith in your "almighty" sahih bukhari where Umar called Taraweeh a "good bidah" are not enough enough to convince you, then nothing will. La Kum dinukum wa liyah deen.

# Empiree

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Ummm, interesting!

Will look into that.

ShiaMuslim:
Abi Abdillah (as) was asked about the prayers at the mosque during the month of Ramadhaan, he said:

When Ameer al-Mu’mineen (as) went forth to Kufa, he ordered al-Hassan (as) to call to the people: “There are no congregational prayers in the month of Ramadhaan. So al-Hassan bin Ali (as) called to the people by what Ameer al-Mu’mineen (as) ordered him, so when the people these words they chanted: “Oh Umar! Oh Umar!”.

So when al-Hassan bin Ali (as) returned to Ameer al-Mu’mineen (as), he (Ali) asked: “What is this noise? So (al-Hassan) replied:

“Oh Ameer al-Mu’mineen, the people are chanting: “Oh Umar! Oh Umar!”. Ameer al-Mu’mineen (as) said: “tell them ‘pray.’”

Sanad: `Ali b. al-Hasan b. Faddal from Ahmad b. al-Hasan from `Amr b. Sa`d al-Mada’ini from Musaddaq b. Sadaqa from `Ammar who said the above hadith
Source: Wasaa’il al-Shia (Aale Bayt), Volume 8, Page 46, Hadith #2 (See Image 1 below)
Grading: Shaikh Hadi al-Najafi said the hadith is Reliable (الرواية معتبرة الإسناد.) [Mawsu’atu ahadith ahlulbayt (as), Volume 4, Hadith #3, Page 287 (See Image 2 below)]

in another hadith:
Abi Abdillah (as) and Abi Ja’far (as) said: “When Ameer al-Mu’mineen (as) was in Kufa, the people came to him and said: “Appoint for us an Imam (of prayer) to lead us in Ramadhaan. So he replied to them: “No” and he forbade them from congregating in it. So when the evening came (the people) would say: “Cry (for) Ramadhaan, Oh Ramadhaan” So Haarith al-ahwar came from among people (to Ali) and said: “Oh Ameer al-Mu’mineen, the people are causing a fuss and dislike your words. He replied: “Leave them to do want, and let them pray with whom they want” then he said (the following ayah) “And whoever [..] follows other than the way of the believers – We will give him what he has taken and drive him into Hell, and evil it is as a destination.” (4:115)

Sanad: Muhammad b. Idris in the end of as-Sara’ir transmitting from the book of Abu ‘l-Qasim Ja`far b. Muhammad b. Qulawayh who said the above hadith
Source: Wasaa’il al-Shia (Aale Bayt), Volume 8, Page 47, Hadith #5 (See Image 1 below)

if with all these and with a Hadith in your "almighty" sahih bukhari where Umar called Taraweeh a "good bidah" are not enough enough to convince you, then nothing will. La Kum dinukum wa liyah deen.

Let your own scholars tell you why we do not accept your fabrications as narrations...

Shia scholar AlHurr al 'Aamili, "Wasa'il alShia, 30/206":
"Wise, trustworthy scholars all narrate from the weak and the liars and the unknown personalities, and they know of this, yet they still narrate from them..."

Same book 30/244
"It is known that all the books belonging to our scholars have a great deal of weak and unknown narrators"

Shia scholar alQummi "alQawanees p2/page 222"
"The narrations present in our books proves that the liars and the forgers have played with the books of our people and introduced lies into them"

Shia scholar Shareef alMurthadha "Rasa'el shareef almurtadha 3/311"
"Leave us from the books of the shii scholars of hadith, for they serve no evidence, and none of them knows what is evidence, nor were these books even made for seeking evidence".

Shia scholar alSha'arani "sharh jamee alal Kafi" 2/282
"The majority of hadith in Usool alKafi (most reliable shia hadith book) have an incorrect isnad, but they are adopted because they agree with the truthful creed, so we ignore the isnad."

Shia scholar alTusi; "tahdheeb al ahkaam 1/2"
"We have no hadith unless there is another which contradicts it, and no hadith is safe from another which negates it."

Shia scholar Muhammad alHussainiy "buhooth fi ilm arrijjal, alfa'ida alrabi'a"
"The fathers of jarh and ta'deel (hadith sciences) like sheikh Najashi and others, did not live in the times of the companions of Muhammad (ﷺ) or Ali (ra) or the imams, so that their narrations could not come directly from them. So their weakening and strengthening of hadith is either from guesswork, or personal ijtihaad, or transmitted one by one until they reach the imam. However, it is not evidence (hujja) on us because it is mostly hearsay..."

Shia scholar alBahbahani "fawa'id ha'iriyyah p488"
"There is no doubt that most of our fiqh does not come from a sahih hadith, and those narrated by sahih are not free from big errors in isnad, matn and dilalah"

Last but not least, we look at awe at this hadith where the isnad is made up totally of a donkey narrating from other donkeys in their most reliable book of hadith; Usool alKaafi volume 1, page 237

Ali bin abi Talib (ra) was told that the donkey of the prophet (ﷺ) committed suicide (awwww).
So Ali bin abi Talib (ra) said,
"That donkey told the prophet (ﷺ) that...
May my mother and father (ie the donkey) be sacrificed for you, my father (daddy donkey) told me that his father (grandpa donkey) told him that his grandfather (great grandpa donkey) told him that his father (ancestor donkey) was in the service of prophet Nuh (as) in the ark. So prophet Nuh (as) approached him and wiped over his back and said...from the offspring of this donkey, there will come a donkey (ie current narrator) whichnwill be ridden by the best and final prophet (ﷺ). Ufair (the narrating donkey) then saidAlhamdulillah that he has made me this donkey." (All salawaat and explanations in parantheses mine).

How please do we apply the science of hadith to narrations such as these? This is why we say you have no hadith, even from your 'imams', much less from the prophet (ﷺ) from whom we should rightly take our deen, not from chains of donkeys.

I will be glad to provide further links to the shia 'study of hadith' and how unimportant and impossible their scholars believe it to be, directly from their donkey's... excuse me... scholars' mouths.

Please excuse me bro Newnas for diverting the original topic of your educative thread.