In some dictionaries, omnipotence is defined as infinite in power, having unlimited power, having unlimited authority,etc..

Which in a layman's world means the ability to do ALL things(you can quote me if you have any other definition for it. Theists especially).

Romans 4:17, jeremiah 32:17, luke 1:37, matthew 32:27 psalm 147:5 and some other bible verses I can't remember, talked about the omnipotence of God..

Well, I'm gonna be asking some questions here and if you think you'v got the right answers to them, you are welcome

I thank my omnipotent God that I arrived early . Let's hear it from Jadonjack

Well, before you proceed...

I was here......

nothing qood comes out of jadonjack thread.....only spewinq his hatred at christianity

I thank my Omnipotent God

I'm gonna try as much as possible to use simple expressions so everybody can understand. Let's begin....

I'm not gonna bore anybody with epistles, just gonna go straight to my points...



According to the bible, no human being is morally perfect, which means human can behave in a mean, cowardly, selfish, cruel way, and so on... God on the other hand can not behave in those ways because according to the same bible, he is morally perfect.

And if he cannot act in any of those ways, it simply means there is something he cannot do which makes him non omnipotent hence he doesn't exist......

Jadonjack:
I'm gonna try as much as possible to use simple expressions so everybody can understand. Let's begin....

I'm not gonna bore anybody with epistles, just gonna go straight to my points...



According to the bible, no human being is morally perfect, which means human can behave in a mean, cowardly, selfish, cruel way, and so on... God on the other hand can not behave in those ways because according to the same bible, he is morally perfect.

And if he cannot act in any of those ways, it simply means there is something he cannot do which makes him non omnipotent hence he doesn't exist......

So ... so ... so ... so you dont even understand what it means for God to be omnipotent Just negodu

God does not lack the power commit sin but he chooses not to because of His nature , like you said , being morally perfect . Let me elucidate .

We are Christians and we are expected not to commit sin or err , it does not mean we can no longer commit sin but it means we have chosen or decided never to do so because we are emulating the life of Christ . We have a terminus ad quem - to make Heaven - and being errants or morally depraved can preclude us from achieving this goal or reaching our destination . Christians have now decided to serve God in truth and in spirit and eschew evil .

Jadonjack:


According to the bible, no human being is morally perfect, which means human can behave in a mean, cowardly, selfish, cruel way, and so on... God on the other hand can not behave in those ways because according to the same bible, he is morally perfect.

And if he cannot act in any of those ways, it simply means there is something he cannot do which makes him non omnipotent hence he doesn't exist......

Valid question, Nice premise, horrible conclusion...

He existing or not has nothing to do with his omnipotence, so your logical conclusion was off, just wanted to point that out!

donnffd:


Valid question, Nice premise, horrible conclusion...

He existing or not has nothing to do with his omnipotence, so your logical conclusion was off, just wanted to point that out!

If you mean invalid question , irrational premise and horrible conclusion then I totally agree with you . Its good to see atheists knocking each other off - not sure why , but it feels good .

donnffd:


Valid question, Nice premise, horrible conclusion...

He existing or not has nothing to do with his omnipotence, so your logical conclusion was off, just wanted to point that out!

Of course it has... Since no being is omnipotent, it means the God we were made to believe can do all things does not exist.

In other words, according to the religious books, for you to be God, you should be able to do all things....

If you can't do ALL things, you are not God and if nobody can do ALL things, it simply means there is no God.


Got it?!

Jadonjack:
I'm gonna try as much as possible to use simple expressions so everybody can understand. Let's begin....

I'm not gonna bore anybody with epistles, just gonna go straight to my points...



According to the bible, no human being is morally perfect, which means human can behave in a mean, cowardly, selfish, cruel way, and so on... God on the other hand can not behave in those ways because according to the same bible, he is morally perfect.

And if he cannot act in any of those ways, it simply means there is something he cannot do which makes him non omnipotent hence he doesn't exist......

Warris dis please ...After all the wait I was expecting something at least tangibly reasonable only for th..this
Are you a theist trying to make mockery of atheist logic or one of those xtians who became atheist as a kid because God didn't grant him his favourite bicycle.

Johnnydon22 and co,abeg,com save face and carry one of ur own from here.....This is should be so embarrassing

KingEbukaNaija:


So ... so ... so ... so you dont even understand what it means for God to be omnipotent Just negodu

God does not lack the power commit sin but he chooses not to because of His nature , like you said , being morally perfect . Let me elucidate .

We are Christians and we are expected not to commit sin or err , it does not mean we can no longer commit sin but it means we have chosen or decided never to do so because we are emulating the life of Christ . We have a terminus ad quem - to make Heaven - and being errants or morally depraved can preclude us from achieving this goal or reaching our destination . Christians have now decided to serve God in truth and in spirit and eschew evil .

Well, one terrible mistake you made here is that you admitted to the fact that God is omnipotent..

You said Gods inability to do something is not lack of power but because he chooses not to.

Is dere any better explanation for what happened in judges 1:19?!!

KingEbukaNaija:


So ... so ... so ... so you dont even understand what it means for God to be omnipotent Just negodu

God does not lack the power commit sin but he chooses not to because of His nature , like you said , being morally perfect . Let me elucidate .

We are Christians and we are expected not to commit sin or err , it does not mean we can no longer commit sin but it means we have chosen or decided never to do so because we are emulating the life of Christ . We have a terminus ad quem - to make Heaven - and being errants or morally depraved can preclude us from achieving this goal or reaching our destination . Christians have now decided to serve God in truth and in spirit and eschew evil .

Where can we find this christians that live without doing evil. In what part of the world can they be found?

crusadistic:

Warris dis please ...After all the wait I was expecting something at least tangibly reasonable only for th..this
Are you a theist trying to make mockery of atheist logic or one of those xtians who became atheist as a kid because God didn't grant him his favourite bicycle.

Johnnydon22 and co,abeg,com save face and carry one of ur own from here.....This is should be so embarrassing

The average Nigerian atheist thinks He is smart simply because He is an atheist .

KingEbukaNaija:


The average Nigerian atheist thinks He is smart simply because He is an atheist .

Am thinking that's one of the reasons they turn atheists,to be regarded as smart.

Jadonjack:


Well, one terrible mistake you made here is that you admitted to the fact that God is omnipotent..

You said Gods inability to do something is not lack of power but because he chooses not to.

Is dere any better explanation for what happened in judges 1:19?!!

Judges 1 :19
19 And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

This reads as if Jehovah could not defeat the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariots of iron but it was not so because

1. The first part of v19 " And the Lord was with Judah" should have ended with verse 18 , showing the reason for the success in conquering 8 cities of verses 4 all through to 18 . The remainder of verse 19 refers to another time when Judah failed and therefore He withdrew His support in the effort to drive the Canaanites out if the valley .

Judges 1:18
18 Also Judah took Gaza with the coast thereof, and Askelon with the coast thereof, and Ekron with the coast thereof.


2. Various translations make the verse clearer .

Rotherham : "Took possession of the Hill country - but did not poseess the inhabitants of the vale " not because God was powerless , but they did not put proper effort .

The Septuagint: "he (Judah) took possession of the mountain , for they were not enabled to drive out the inhabitants of the vale because Rechab dissuaded them

Jonathan ben Uzziel" "they expirted the inhabitants of the mountais but afterwards when they sinned they were not able to extirpate the inhabitants of the plain because they had chariots of iron " . When they sinned they were left to their own strength .

My Annotated Bible Reference came in handy !

dalaman:


Where can we find this christians that live without doing evil. In what part of the world can they be found?

Everywhere bro

KingEbukaNaija:


Everywhere bro

Very false.

dalaman:


Very false.

Supposition

Jadonjack:
I'm gonna try as much as possible to use simple expressions so everybody can understand. Let's begin....

I'm not gonna bore anybody with epistles, just gonna go straight to my points...



According to the bible, no human being is morally perfect, which means human can behave in a mean, cowardly, selfish, cruel way, and so on... God on the other hand can not behave in those ways because according to the same bible, he is morally perfect.

And if he cannot act in any of those ways, it simply means there is something he cannot do which makes him non omnipotent hence he doesn't exist......

Because God is omnipotent does not mean He will acts contrary To His own will.

KingEbukaNaija:


Judges 1 :19
19 And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

This reads as if Jehovah could not defeat the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariots of iron but it was not so because

1. The first part of v19 " And the Lord was with Judah" should have ended with verse 18 , showing the reason for the success in conquering 8 cities of verses 4 all through to 18 . The remainder of verse 19 refers to another time when Judah failed and therefore He withdrew His support in the effort to drive the Canaanites out if the valley .

Judges 1:18
18 Also Judah took Gaza with the coast thereof, and Askelon with the coast thereof, and Ekron with the coast thereof.


2. Various translations make the verse clearer .

Rotherham : "Took possession of the Hill country - but did not poseess the inhabitants of the vale " not because God was powerless , but they did not put proper effort .

The Septuagint: "he (Judah) took possession of the mountain , for they were not enabled to drive out the inhabitants of the vale because Rechab dissuaded them

Jonathan ben Uzziel" "they expirted the inhabitants of the mountais but afterwards when they sinned they were not able to extirpate the inhabitants of the plain because they had chariots of iron " . When they sinned they were left to their own strength .

My Annotated Bible Reference came in handy !

In your attempt to make me understand the bible, you forgot the fact that I also have a bible and I do read it..

- Do you think the bible can lie?

- Can you tell me the number of days, weeks, month or years that passed before verse 19 of judges 1 was recorded?

We agree that a "married bachelor" can not exist because it is contradictory and self-refuting. An omnipotent God is self-refuting and contradictory.


-Omnipotence is the ability to do all things. To have all abilities
-However, some abilities are contradictory to each other. or some actions negate each other
-To sleep means you are not awake, for instance. You cant be alseep and awake at the same time.


God has the ability to live for ever. Eternal life. However, that means that he can not die and he doesnt have the ability to kill himself



God has the ability to be everywhere. he is omnipresent. However, that means that he doesnt have the ability to leave a certain place or the ability to be absent. by annonymous

KingEbukaNaija:


Everywhere bro

You are not being realistic.


That's bad!!

my own version is that god(the christian god)cannot be omnipotent because he sacrificed his son(himself)for the sins of the world and still could not think of something better to do inorder to liberate mankind from suffering or sins and he had no other choice therefore he is not omnipotent

you guys don't really understand the word omnipotence,{it means all powerful} and all powerful can mean allpossible, nothing impossible therfore god cannot be allpowerful

KingEbukaNaija:


Judges 1 :19
19 And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

This reads as if Jehovah could not defeat the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariots of iron but it was not so because

1. The first part of v19 " And the Lord was with Judah" should have ended with verse 18 , showing the reason for the success in conquering 8 cities of verses 4 all through to 18 . The remainder of verse 19 refers to another time when Judah failed and therefore He withdrew His support in the effort to drive the Canaanites out if the valley .

Judges 1:18
18 Also Judah took Gaza with the coast thereof, and Askelon with the coast thereof, and Ekron with the coast thereof.


2. Various translations make the verse clearer .

Rotherham : "Took possession of the Hill country - but did not poseess the inhabitants of the vale " not because God was powerless , but they did not put proper effort .

The Septuagint: "he (Judah) took possession of the mountain , for they were not enabled to drive out the inhabitants of the vale because Rechab dissuaded them

Jonathan ben Uzziel" "they expirted the inhabitants of the mountais but afterwards when they sinned they were not able to extirpate the inhabitants of the plain because they had chariots of iron " . When they sinned they were left to their own strength .

My Annotated Bible Reference came in handy !

my brother when will you stop apologising for the mistakes of the bible

Yes you're right. And the Trinity makes the Omnipotency of God more omniexplaneable. The display at the Garden of Gethsemane for example: It was thesame God who offered Himself for arrest, that ordered Peter to cut off a Gaurd's ear and at thesame time as He was being arrested, picked up the piece of the ear severed and mended it back. Hallelluah

A very valid argument, the word "Omnipotent", simply describes an attribute that cannot exist, and anything that has an attribute of the non-existent, does not exist.

1.Can god create his own labyrinthe which will be so confusing to him, that he would not be able to escape from it?. No? He can't? Then he is not omnipotent!!!

2.Can god create his own "yellow kryptonite"(then green one makes Superman weak, but the yellow one makes him high), so much so that he will begin to see hallucinations? No? Then he can't be omnipotent.

3.Can god tell me whether the number of images created when placing an object in between 2 mirrors, will be odd or even? He can't? Then he is not omnipotent.

4.Can god win an election as one of the 3 candidates in a voting system modelled after the "Concordex Paradox"? He can't? Then he can never be Omnipotent!!!

crusadistic:

Am thinking that's one of the reasons they turn atheists,to be regarded as smart.

But you aint smart enough to answer ma question!

Now, leaving on one side for a moment, the question of Gods omnipotence...

How should we understand Gods power in general? The reason for this question is that it seems obvious that our(human) power to act and gods power to act are importantly different. Generally, when we do things, we do one thing by doing another.

For instance, A revolutionary who wishes to incite a revolution decides to do this by assassinating the president. He assassinates the president by shooting him with a gun, he shoots the gun by pulling the trigger and so on.

He has to achieve his aims in this indirect way because he cannot control directly(by mere thought) the course of events...

He can only perform one of those actions by performing another...

Theists, generally agreed that Gods power is not essentially like that. Although he could choose to operate in this indirect manner, he does not have to. He can by-pass all the indirect methods which human uses, and he can actualise directly, watever status of affairs he wishes to.

In other words, if he(God) wishes to make the president dies, he does not have to bring it about that the president is shot, posisoned, savaged by hungry lions or struck by lightning. He can simply make the president drop dead, without there being any intervening causal chain between his(Gods) will and the end at which it aims.

If he wishes the gun to fire, he can simply make the bullet shoot out of the barrel, he does not have to make that happen by making the trigger move...

Jadonjack:
In some dictionaries, omnipotence is defined as infinite in power, having unlimited power, having unlimited authority,etc..

Which in a layman's world means the ability to do ALL things(you can quote me if you have any other definition for it. Theists especially).

You have not said anything yet. I'm still waiting for you. Go ahead and say what you have let's settle it.