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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by Pedagogue: 4:12pm On Aug 26, 2016
shinarambo1:
it all depends. I wont be a citizen of canada today if not for my UK masters degree. So many of my friends took up citinzinship in Australia too. Our MSc from the UK gave us high scores in immigration programs of those countries.

Fair point.

But what the Op is saying is: Don't bother going to the UK if your intention is NOT to leave immediately after your programme.

You still don't get it? Let me explain.

Your masters programme gives you a Tier 4 visa status. That visa will expire about four months after the completion of your masters programme i.e. after you must have submitted your dissertation.


After this, you have three main options-Leave, marry a British citizen, or Work (by applying for Tier 2 visa or another Tier 4 visa-another masters).

The first two are straightforward. The last is technical. To apply for a Tier 2 visa, it must be a job that attracts nothing less than £20,800 per year. Believe me, only 1 out of 10000000000 can be that lucky!

Talking about becoming a British Citizen or a permanent resident (indefinite leave to remain) is another kettle of fish. With the new rules, you need to have lived in the UK for about 7-10 years (subject to certain exceptions) to be qualified to apply for permanent residency. It's insane.

Countries like Canada, New Zealand are more pro-immigrants. Don't waste your hard earned money.

I've taken my time to Give this free info because I don't want more Nigerians to fall for the UK deceit.However, If ALL you want is quality education (and nothing more), the U.K. should be your preferred choice.

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by JW214: 4:12pm On Aug 26, 2016
Unlike before, UKBA were generous to issue visa to cover your study period and at least about 3 months(some get up to 8 months depending on your program start time) to stay back to attend your graduation before proceeding to apply for the next available visa category, now the visa they issue will only cover your study period.

Many international students now return to their countries without attending their school elaborate graduation ceremony unlike before.

Aston University for example like many other universities had to organise an award giving ceremony in June so graduands with very short visa can wear the gown and take picture with their certificate and people before returning, some schools will advise you to return to your country to obtain a visit visa to attend your graduation because they can not afford to run multiple award giving ceremony within 1 year.

Little secret, some residents with definite leave to remain are looking for better countries to migrate to..... Go to any IELTS exam centre and see the number of Nigerians taking the exam with the hope of migrating to "may be" another greener pasture.

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by bikat: 4:14pm On Aug 26, 2016
LagosismyHome:


Nothing guarantee you a job ooo . I moved to the UK from the USA with good years of experience and US degrees with intra company transfer .. After one month i said let me just checked the Market , even with my experience and USA degree , UK agencies were like great but you dont have UK experience ....3 Months of chasing jobs i kept hearing that . As i was not really looking i face my work ooooo . a year later i said let me test the market again , this time my phone will not stop ringing ..........I was amazed at what having one year work experience in the UK did . ....So this job market its funny and no guarantee

Madam you hit the nail on the head. I like hearing from people who speak from their experience (still the best teacher). If you are not given the opportunity to stay and improve your self it is very diff to get a job just fresh out of Uni. There are so many people with degrees so you need something extra. That's the truth.

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by justwise(m): 4:15pm On Aug 26, 2016
bikat:


Yes that's true, UK masters are well respected but you will be kicked out as soon as your done so why not go to places that will allow you to stay while also gaining a well respected degree from that country.


You are not kicked out as soon as you are done. You have at least 5months to plan your next course of action IF you haven't done that before leaving Nigeria.

Only a lazy student will travel to the UK without a plan and get stuck after graduation. Student visa is not work permit and you knew that before leaving Nigeria so its pointless complaining about the UK immigration policy when you had all the opportunities to make an informed decision before investing your millions

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by presiade(m): 4:16pm On Aug 26, 2016
bikat:
Yes o, don't be ignorant. My good friend lives in Finland and he's doing well. People should go to countries that can allow them stay back..
Lol! In Finland, after your master's degree if you are ok with CLEANING jobs you will be fine earning around 1500e per month. Some black PhD students do cleaning/delivery jobs here... Just to let you know... Finns won't give you white collar jobs easily, if at all... #facts

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by Nobody: 4:18pm On Aug 26, 2016
LagosismyHome:


Nothing guarantee you a job ooo . I moved to the UK from the USA with good years of experience and US degrees with intra company transfer .. After one month i said let me just checked the Market , even with my experience and USA degree , UK agencies were like great but you dont have UK experience ....3 Months of chasing jobs i kept hearing that . As i was not really looking i face my work ooooo . a year later i said let me test the market again , this time my phone will not stop ringing ..........I was amazed at what having one year work experience in the UK did . ....So this job market its funny and no guarantee
yeah. Canada is even worse for that, even when oil was trading for over $100/ barrel and the economy was booming. In canada, when you change provinces, say you schooled in ontario and move from Ontario to BC. BC employers would usually discriminate. i dont blame them though The rules change accross provinces. When i moved to the next province, i had to change my drivers license, go for mot, change health card, write provincial exams to transfer my license e.t.c They would tell you that you were trained according to how things work in that province. Its like tiny countries lumped together and in a competition with each other, and this is a country of just over 30million highly educated people.

Getting jobs anywhere in the world is not easy irrespective of if one has a year or 2 years post study visa.

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by justwise(m): 4:19pm On Aug 26, 2016
JW214:
Unlike before, UKBA were generous to issue visa to cover your study period and at least about 3 months(some get up to 8 months depending on your program start time) to stay back to attend your graduation before proceeding to apply for the next available visa category, now the visa they issue will only cover your study period.

Many international students now return to their countries without attending their school elaborate graduation ceremony unlike before.

Aston University for example like many other universities had to organise an award giving ceremony in June so graduands with very short visa can wear the gown and take picture with their certificate and people before returning, some schools will advise you to return to your country to obtain a visit visa to attend your graduation because they can not afford to run multiple award giving ceremony within 1 year.

Little secret, some residents with definite leave to remain are looking for better countries to migrate to..... Go to any IELTS exam centre and see the number of Nigerians taking the exam with the hope of migrating to "may be" another greener pasture.




That is misleading info

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by Abukc(m): 4:20pm On Aug 26, 2016
Obama pikin never think of 9ja degree for once,but. Buhari pikin won. Graduate from oxford and cambridge university even you that read the post.The BIG question is WHY do we all hungry to travel or study abroad

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by Toks2008(m): 4:25pm On Aug 26, 2016
It may not be easy for the ladies but as a guy abeg what on earth will stop you from getting a good job after studies?

Life is about planning,perseverance and patience. Simply marry a Briton and take time to build your life..the way Nigeria is going I won't advice anyone to go out and study with the hope of getting a job in Nigeria except the children of the rich.

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by JW214: 4:29pm On Aug 26, 2016
justwise:


You are not kicked out as soon as you are done. You have at least 5months to plan your next course of action IF you haven't done that before leaving Nigeria.

Only a lazy student will travel to the UK without a plan and get stuck after graduation. Student visa is not work permit and you knew that before leaving Nigeria so its pointless complaining about the UK immigration policy when you had all the opportunities to make an informed decision before investing your millions

I disagree with you. I have a cousin who studied in Aston University. The visa issued her was from January 2015 until June 30, 2016 and the course end date was May 2016.

As a student, getting a job or employer immediately after study that will sponsor your visa is like almost impossible, the reason is just because the salary required before your employer can sponsor your visa is higher than what most employer will pay a fresh graduate, especially one without a UK experience.

So the only strategy that a student coming here to stay may consider is getting married as soon as he or she lands in the UK. If you are thinking of getting a job that will sponsor your visa within the space of your end of program in the Uni and visa end date..... Well they say miracle happens but this is reality, it is almost 90% impossible.

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by chaiks: 4:29pm On Aug 26, 2016
From wat I v read and heard, I think spending lots of money in UK only to come back to Nigeria and start looking for job is foolhardy. I remember during my NYSC,I v friends that grad from UK and came back to serve. Majority of them v not gotten any job in Lagos now and some are planning on a move to not so popular European countries for continuation of life. D worst is Dat UK hardly give scholarships. The op is correct in wat he is saying. Now folks, can someone with a good grade in Nigeria apply for d Canadian express entry visa. Or are there small countries where one can get MSc scholarship with a cgpa of 4.49 and a good ielts score. I don't mind even if I study in Malta. All I want is to get a blend of international experience and move to better countries.

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by Nobody: 4:29pm On Aug 26, 2016
bikat:


Yes that's true, UK masters are well respected but you will be kicked out as soon as your done so why not go to places that will allow you to stay while also gaining a well respected degree from that country.



Your argument is a lil different from mine. Yes UK degrees are well respected as are degrees from Canada, US etc. My point is that the immigration policies are not WELCOMING, simple point. I like to talk with Statistics, how many people get a job as soon as they finish their studies - very very few. From my experience, the longer you stay, the more you understand the system. So you will discover that those who have stayed for years will go on to obtain professional certifications, training etc that makes you more employable. I even know people who started working as volunteers and interns after their studies and with those extra experiences they got jobs.

Bros, I am so such of what I am saying, is it not better to go to a country where you can get a degree and a stay instead of a place where you will be required to leave after graduation? With a UK degree, u will still need years of proven work experience, the right age, good IELTS score etc in order to be eligible for Canadian immigration. Trust me on this one. Thanks
i understand you are creating awareness. it is indeed better to go to a place where you have atleast a chance of staying back even though not guaranteed. My point is that even when psw was in place in the UK, staying back was not also guaranteed. Just like in other countries too at the moment with post graduate work visas in place, nothing is still guaranteed. i told you about the USask and U of C grad in Canada. Despite their msc from these two top canadian unis, no jobs yet and they both have just over 1yr left on their work visas and do not qualify for express entry as the points as very high, last was 532. For them Nigeria is already calling, just like nigeria called back uk grads with psw in those days. You would need a sponsor to get more than 532. Hopefully, things would get better here.
Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by LagosismyHome(f): 4:34pm On Aug 26, 2016
JW214:


I disagree with you. I have a cousin who studied in Aston University. The visa issued her was from January 2015 until June 30, 2016 and the course end date was May 2016.

As a student, getting a job or employer immediately after study that will sponsor your visa is like almost impossible, the reason is just because the salary required before your employer can sponsor your visa is higher than what most employer will pay a fresh graduate, especially one without a UK experience.

So the only strategy that a student coming here to stay may consider is getting married as soon as he or she lands in the UK. If you are thinking of getting a job that will sponsor your visa within the space of your end of program in the Uni and visa end date..... Well they say miracle happens but this is reality, it is almost 90% impossible.


This is very true ...... even in the days of PSW , it was still difficult to get jobs in UK and many students ended up going back. Now with no PSW it is almost impossible, you were even generous saying 90% impossible ..... It is 99 % impossible, most job application tell you straight only UK or EU . How many companies file ?? , then now with a window of 5 months .....No amount of planning does anything . Only the 1% who are extremely lucky

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by JW214: 4:35pm On Aug 26, 2016
justwise:


That is misleading info

It is not misleading, I am giving you a first hand information because it happened to my cousin.

We tried all we could to get her a job even after a paid BA certification and training, Masters degree and about 4 years work experience from Naija. Some employers or agencies will not even call you back once they hear you hold a visa expiring in some months even if you tick all the boxes for their job description

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by 8BitGee(m): 4:38pm On Aug 26, 2016
Hear hear. There can be nothing more factual. I know my people won't listen sha. I didn't too.

What makes coming to the UK attractive to Nigerians is the simple admission process, no English language tests or GRE. If you're qualified, you'll be admitted.

I know what usually runs through Nigerians minds when you advise them not to come is, "he is in the UK enjoying, look at how fat his cheeks have become and he's telling me not to come. Wicked boy".

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by bikat: 4:38pm On Aug 26, 2016
JW214:


I disagree with you. I have a cousin who studied in Aston University. The visa issued her was from January 2015 until June 30, 2016 and the course end date was May 2016.

As a student, getting a job or employer immediately after study that will sponsor your visa is like almost impossible, the reason is just because the salary required before your employer can sponsor your visa is higher than what most employer will pay a fresh graduate, especially one without a UK experience.

So the only strategy that a student coming here to stay may consider is getting married as soon as he or she lands in the UK. If you are thinking of getting a job that will sponsor your visa within the space of your end of program in the Uni and visa end date..... Well they say miracle happens but this is reality, it is almost 90% impossible.


Tell them o cos me I don tiya to argue. Na here I don de for some years so I know wetin I de talk

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by rozayx5(m): 4:40pm On Aug 26, 2016
bikat:


You sound informed. Yes, the tuition fees is just too expensive and immigration is a no go area, they don't want you to spend a single day beyond your study time but Nigerian students keep coming to spend their hard earn money due to LACK OF INFORMATION. The truth is that there are so many countries out there that will allow you to stay for some years after graduation and if you get a job during that time, then you are allowed to stay indefinitely.

Honestly, if you have enough money to spend for oversea tuition fees then you should go to countries that will allow you to stay. The longer you stay in a country, the more experience you gather and the more your chances of getting a good job. The UK does not give you that opportunity. I know so many unpopular countries where you can go and have A VERY GOOD LIFE AND JOB AFTER STUDIES. The UK is good for RICH Nigerian kids looking to get a degree and return to their country as soon as they finish.

a list of these countries would help
Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by justwise(m): 4:41pm On Aug 26, 2016
JW214:


I disagree with you. I have a cousin who studied in Aston University. The visa issued her was from January 2015 until June 30, 2016 and the course end date was May 2016.

As a student, getting a job or employer immediately after study that will sponsor your visa is like almost impossible, the reason is just because the salary required before your employer can sponsor your visa is higher than what most employer will pay a fresh graduate, especially one without a UK experience.

So the only strategy that a student coming here to stay may consider is getting married as soon as he or she lands in the UK. If you are thinking of getting a job that will sponsor your visa within the space of your end of program in the Uni and visa end date..... Well they say miracle happens but this is reality, it is almost 90% impossible.


Like i said before..the UK immigration policy is a public knowledge and before you spend your millions to study in the UK think carefully what your opportunities are, don't come and start moaning about how bad the immigration policy is, you were not forced to choose the UK.

Hoping to get married and stay back is actually a very shallow minded plan because that doesn't guarantee you a brighter future in the UK.

Basically you are entry into life mortgage after the sham marriage

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by silentdude(m): 4:41pm On Aug 26, 2016
https://www.quora.com/Have-you-or-anyone-you-know-regretted-going-abroad-for-higher-education

I think many of this so called western countries are beginning to gradually shut their doors to international students settling down...

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by JW214: 4:42pm On Aug 26, 2016
bikat:


Lol correct guy, yea if you ready to marry then e don finish. Marriage still sure pass but plenty of us Nija guys prefer Blk/Afrcn girls especially when you don satisfy ur curiosity with them white babes. You can never compare blk girls pcy with soft chicken o.

Before you think marriage is the simplest thing to achieve a resident in the UK, please be aware that before you can marry a British(am not sure of EU) who can sponsor you as his or her spouse, both of you must be working and earning up to £12k or £18k (am not sure of the exact figure)

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by justwise(m): 4:42pm On Aug 26, 2016
bikat:


Tell them o cos me I don tiya to argue. Na here I don de for some years so I know wetin I de talk


Dude i have been in the UK longer than you have, so i know a lot about what i'm talking about.
Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by bikat: 4:45pm On Aug 26, 2016
chaiks:
From wat I v read and heard, I think spending lots of money in UK only to come back to Nigeria and start looking for job is foolhardy. I remember during my NYSC,I v friends that grad from UK and came back to serve. Majority of them v not gotten any job in Lagos now and some are planning on a move to not so popular European countries for continuation of life. D worst is Dat UK hardly give scholarships. The op is correct in wat he is saying. Now folks, can someone with a good grade in Nigeria apply for d Canadian express entry visa. Or are there small countries where one can get MSc scholarship with a cgpa of 4.49 and a good ielts score. I don't mind even if I study in Malta. All I want is to get a blend of international experience and move to better countries.

Yes you can use ur Nija degree for Express entry but you go need enough points for age, English, work experience and same for ur wife. Scholarships are a lil hard to come by but you can get by constantly applying

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by darmheee: 4:45pm On Aug 26, 2016
So true! UK aint smiling @all....moreso, pls have enough cash before u think of study here

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by justwise(m): 4:52pm On Aug 26, 2016
JW214:


It is not misleading, I am giving you a first hand information because it happened to my cousin.

We tried all we could to get her a job even after a paid BA certification and training, Masters degree and about 4 years work experience from Naija. Some employers or agencies will not even call you back once they hear you hold a visa expiring in some months even if you tick all the boxes for their job description


Why were you trying to apply for job in the UK with student visa after the policy was changed last year?

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by ttmacoy: 4:58pm On Aug 26, 2016
While I agree with your explanation that if the plan is for stay then look at other counties but if t is just to get your degree and leave then fine, I disagree with your statement around UK deceit.

They have made it very very clear they want to reduce non EU migration and have also made the stringent conditions for work visa very clear so I don't see where the deceit is.



Pedagogue:


Fair point.

But what the Op is saying is: Don't bother going to the UK if your intention is NOT to leave immediately after your programme.

You still don't get it? Let me explain.

Your masters programme gives you a Tier 4 visa status. That visa will expire a about four months after the completion of your masters programme i.e. after you must have submitted your dissertation.


After this, you have three main options-Leave, marry a British citizen, or Work (by applying for Tier 2 visa or another Tier 4 visa-another masters).

The first two are straightforward. The last is technical. To apply for a Tier 4 visa, it must be a job that attracts nothing less than £20,800 per year. Believe me, only 1 out of 10000000000 can be that lucky!

Talking about becoming a British Citizen or a permanent resident (indefinite leave to remain) is another kettle of fish.

I've taken my time to type the above because I don't want more Nigerians to fall for the UK deceit.However, If ALL you want is quality education (and nothing more), the U.K. should be your preferred choice.

Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by Hedonistically: 4:58pm On Aug 26, 2016
It depends on your motive for going to the UK. If all you want is highest quality education, then, then there's no better destination than the UK. Quality and standard of education there is top tier; better than the USA in my view.

However, if you consider your student visa a black market ticket to permanent residency and a fulfilling white collar career in the UK, then you might want to have a long, deep rethink. You're probably going to end up disappointed and stranded.

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by mindful01: 4:59pm On Aug 26, 2016
Na to dey get carry over na

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by bikat: 5:01pm On Aug 26, 2016
justwise:


Like i said before..the UK immigration policy is a public knowledge and before you spend your millions to study in the UK think carefully what your opportunities are, don't come and start moaning about how bad the immigration policy is, you were not forced to choose the UK.

Hoping to get married and stay back is actually a very shallow minded plan because that doesn't guarantee you a brighter future in the UK.

Basically you are entry into life mortgage after the sham marriage

sham marriage? Who said anything about sham marriage? Cant you fall in love and marry someone genuinely? As for me, I don't encourage the marriage route cos I got to find out that I LOVE THE BODY OF BLACK WOMEN. However, marriage is still an option if you fall in love for a white woman. there is nothing wrong with it.

I will agree with you that there is no need moaning about their immigration policy, nevertheless we can inform our people so that they know what they are getting into. Its just for information sake.

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Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by Nobody: 5:04pm On Aug 26, 2016
8BitGee:
Hear hear. There can be nothing more factual. I know my people won't listen sha. I didn't too.

What makes coming to the UK attractive to Nigerians is the simple admission process, no English language tests or GRE. If you're qualified, you'll be admitted.

I know what usually runs through Nigerian's minds when you advise them not to come is, "he is in the UK enjoying, look at how fat his cheeks have become and he's telling me not to come. Wicked boy".

grin
Re: Before Applying Or Coming To The Uk For Studies: Beware Of This by Nobody: 5:04pm On Aug 26, 2016
silentdude:
https://www.quora.com/Have-you-or-anyone-you-know-regretted-going-abroad-for-higher-education

I think many of this so called western countries are beginning to gradually shut their doors to international students settling down...
before nko. the world economy is not smiling.

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