AlBaqir:


I feel you seriously @underline. I can't help myself but to comment on it. If I dobale (prostrate) for my king or parents, dem go talk say Na bid'ah. Interestingly people greeted Nabi by kissing his hands and feet faah. Is it possible to kiss feet without "bending" as well?

Imam Ibn Majah documents

Book: Book of Etiquette

Chapter: A man kissing another man's hand

It was narrated from Safwan bin 'Assal that:

"Some people among the Jews kissed the hands and feet of the Prophet (s)

Grade : Hasan (Darussalam)

Reference : Sunan Ibn Majah 3705
In-book reference : Book 33, Hadith 49
English translation : Vol. 5, Book 33, Hadith 3705
http://www.sunnah.com/ibnmajah/33


Chapter: Regarding kissing the feet

Narrated al-Wazi' ibn Zari':

Umm Aban, daughter of al-Wazi' ibn Zari', quoting his grandfather, who was a member of the deputation of AbdulQays, said: When we came to Medina, we raced to be first to dismount and kiss the hand and foot of the Messenger of Allah (s). But al-Mundhir al-Ashajj waited until he came to the bundle of his clothes. He put on his two garments and then he went to the Prophet (s).

He said to him: You have two characteristics which Allah likes: gentleness and deliberation.

He asked: Have I acquired them or has Allah has created (them) my nature? He replied: No, Allah has created (them) in your nature.

He then said: Praise be to Allah Who has created in my nature two characteristics which Allah and His Apostle like.


Reference : Sunan Abi Dawud 5225
In-book reference : Book 43, Hadith 453
English translation : Book 42, Hadith 5206
http://www.sunnah.com/abudawud/43


Imam Muslim Seeking Permission to Kiss the Feet of Imam Bukhari

Ahmed bin Hamdan al-Qasaar said that he saw Muslim bin Hajjaj (rah) i.e Imam Muslim R.A coming in the court of Imam Bukhari (rah) and kissed his forehead, "THEN HE ASKED HIS PERMISSION TO KISS HIS FEET" he then said: O Teacher of Teachers master of traditionalists and grand scholar on hadith weaknesses.

Source: Al Bidayah wa al-Nihayah (11/33), Published by Maktaba al Ma'rif, Beirut, Lebanon]

# Imam al-Dahabi in his Book: Sayyir A'laam An Nubala, Volume: 3, Page No: 3343, Under Biography of Imam Bukhari, Biography No: 4969, Published by : Bait Al Afkaar Ad Dawliya, lebanon Year: 2004

Mr. AlBaqir in the building.

Empiree:
I tell u, I am not confused. I understood stuff long before i even joined NL unless if i dont want to talk. Plus there are times to keep mute on certain things especially bcus of bigots in other section. I am not confused at all. I understand

Thank you.

I think people who wants to learn about Islam will have problem with this Islam section.

AlBaqir, What are Shia views on keeping pictures/images. Thank you.

tintingz:
Thank you.

I think people who wants to learn about Islam will have problem with this Islam section.

Well, dont worry about that. This is Allah's religion and He knows what He revealed. You will be surprised at how unreasonable things bring non-muslims to islam. Even this section, as confusing with difference of opinions as it is, you may be surprised at how a non muslim here will pop up from nowhere and says, he/she likes our differences and want to look into islam.

Do you remember in 2006 when Pope Benedict made controversial remarks about the prophet(saw)?. Despite some crazy muslims ran amok destroying properties, some guys in American converted just bcus of that. It was uploaded on youtube. Their reason?, one of them said the way he talked trash about islamic prophet arose his curiosity to study islam and he converted within the week Pope made the speech.

tintingz:
AlBaqir, What are Shia views on keeping pictures/images. Thank you.

According to Ayatollah Sistani:

Question: Is it permissible to draw or produce a scene which shows the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.), one of the past prophets or the infallible Imams (a.s.), or other luminaries and show it in cinema, on television or theater?

Answer: If due deference and respect is observed, and the scene does not contain anything that would detract from their holy pictures in the minds [of the viewers], there is no problem.



Question: Is it permissible to draw or produce a scene which shows the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.), one of the past prophets or the infallible Imams (a.s.), or other luminaries and show it in cinema, on television or theater?


Answer: If due deference and respect is observed, and the scene does not contain anything that would detract from their holy pictures in the minds [of the viewers], there is no problem.



Question: Students are asked to draw a human being or an animal; the requirement is such that it is difficult for the student to refuse the assignment. Are they allowed to do the drawing? What is the ruling if they are asked to do a sculpture work instead of the drawing?


Answer: Drawing a non-sculptured figure is allowed. Based on obligatory precaution, it is necessary to refrain from drawing a sculptured picture of a living being. And to say that it is a compulsory part of the school work does not justify violating the obligatory precaution. This prohibition is relaxed, only in the event of necessity; for example, if not carrying out such an assignment would lead to the student expulsion from the school and that would put him in difficulty of the kind that is normally intolerable.

http://www.sistani.org/english/qa/01175/

http://www.sistani.org/english/qa/01282/


Painting in three dimensions, of living creatures, is haraam:

Painting living creatures, such as human beings and the like, in three dimensions is haraam, as a mater of ihtiyat. As for ordinary painting, evidently it is permissible. There is no harm in photographic imaging that is commonly used nowadays. There is no harm too in acquiring three dimensional portraits and selling [trading in] them, albeit the latter is makrooh.

http://www.sistani.org/english/book/45/2013/


According to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei:

Q: What is the view on making dolls and sculpture, or drawing living beings (plants, animals, and human beings)? And what is the view on selling, buying, acquiring, and exhibiting these items?

A: There is no harm at all in the sculpture, photography and painting of beings that have no soul. Nor is there any harm in making sculptures or drawings of living beings that have a soul provided it is not done in three dimensions or full-size. As for a complete sculpture of a human being or any animal, it is a problem. However, it is permissible to sell, buy, or keep pictures and statues. There is no objection to showing them in an exhibition as well.

http://www.leader.ir/langs/en/


According to Ayatollah Makerem Shirazi:

Q:What is the ruling of making the complete human body statue or half body statue of human or animals? What is the ruling of painting them?

A:Sculpture has problem and painting is permitted.

Q: Is prohibition of painting and sculpture because of paganism construe of them and their idolatrous feature? In this way, what is the ruling of them today that these acts don’t propagate idolatry and are known and used as arts?

A: Sculpture and trading status have problem anyway except toys.

Q: Please answer the following questions about sculpture :

A) What is the ruling of building a symbol of martyr in one of the squares of the city in order to dignify the memory of martyrs?

B.)Is it permissible to build the statue of a soldier who is shooting at the enemy?

C) Is it permissible to reconstruct a scene for showing the evilness and aggression of imperialism (for example oppression to the people of Halabja, who were killed during poison gas attack) as it has happened?

D) If a person, who is prostrating and worshiping god, is built then does it have problem?

E) Does it have problem to amend the historic works like engraved images or statues which have been remained f r o m previous ages?

A: Sculpture has problem according to religion of Islam, but it is permitted to consider the following matters as exceptions:

1) Engraved images which can be seen in plasterwork and other artistic engravings.

2) Dolls and those which are being used for playing.

3) Statues which are being built for deceiving the enemy and are being placed in different places and are war necessities.

4) Statues which consist of many parts and are being used in medicine for education and become the replacement of anatomization in many cases and it seems to be necessary to have them for education.

5) Computerized robots which have not been built for entertainment, and are being use in human life needs

Q: It is a while that I carve picture s on wood and subsist in this way because I heard that making complete statue with soul is Haraam not a part of the body that is carved in wood. Is it religiously permissible for me to persist in this way?

A:These kinds of carved picture s don’t have problem but do not carve picture s that propagate religions other than Islam or picture s that cause moral corruption.

Q: Some picture s can be seen in houses, public places and movies which are ascribed to infallible Imams (a.s.) and take the attention of the viewer, in the way that a part of the body of those pure infallibles (a.s.) has been shown in some of TV programs; on the other hand, showing the holy faces of pure Imams has been introduced without problem in some of associations which have religious and seminary ranks. Albeit, it has not been seen in the movies yet but there is a fear of this act to be done, considering that there was no photography instrument in those days and they are close to god please say that what is your opinion about this matter?

A: If they ascribe these picture s to holy prophet (s.a.) or Imams (a.s.) certainly then it is not permitted but it doesn’t have problem as a possibility, on the condition that the picture should be a proper picture and about movies, observing the dignity of those superiors obliges that their face not to be shown clearly but their presence to be felt in scenes.

Q: Is it permissible to ornament mosques and Husseiniyyas?

A: If ornamentation is not performed with gold and the picture of creatures which are alive and it is not considered as squander then it doesn’t have problem.

http://makarem.ir/Question/ViewQuestion.aspx?lid=1

^^Jazakallah khairan, brother AlBaqir.

My own contribution

I think our main problem is lack of knowledge as a result, we always fail too understand the Islam brought
by the prophet(alai Salam)

It's so unfortunate that some student off Islamic knowledge after studying Arabic langue, they regard themself as scholar

Some people; directly or indirectly have taken their so call alfas as if they are the prophet sent to then by ALLAH, once their Alfa say yes, they don't want to hear anything more even if hadith is mentioned

Some believe what he/she saw on the television as final say especially if it is from Saudi during hajj, that is webby someone posted picture of some hujaj

Some people, internet is their scholar, once they read it on internet, they turn themselves to scholar,

Some, it's the mistake of scholars they will be looking for, a good example is the picture posted calling it sheikh Wahab (as your self, did your Lord sent anybody to you as a role model aside Rosool?)

Some called themselves quraniyyun, anything aside Qur'an, they don't believe. hadith of our beloved prophet has no meaning to them. This are worst set of people

My advice

! seek authentic and sound Islamic knowledge

! be sincere to your self

! prioritize the prophet over your Alfa or any other person

! stop seeking Islamic knowledge on internet if you don't have filter to storage false from truth and that filter is nothing but knowledge

! you have to be selective when it comes to seeking knowledge, from whom the knowledge is too be taken

! have it on mind that human being can make mistake but ALLAH and his messenger

! stick to the sunah of the prophet alaihi salam

Salam alaikum warahmotullahi wabarakaatuh

lexiconkabir:


I dont have any opinion in all I've said, everything i said are scholarly opinions, but thank God you called your submission as your opinion which is why it is NONSENSE, hit your head on the wall because i said that, but that's the blunt truth.

You were trying to act smart after i brought two examples from the Quran showing that the sharee'ah of the past Prophets is different from that of Muhammad, All you could say is "the two incidents are different and do not match"? Isnt that NONSENSE as I've called it?

HadaanAllaah.

Imagine telling someone who proclaimed the same shahadatain with you to “hit his head against the wall” just because of different opinions between you. Then, what will you tell a non muslim that doesn’t share the kalimah with you? Put his head on the train track or jump off the building? So much tolerance! Wallah, this is a common trait amongst those who proclaimed salafism, very intolerant. May Allah assists us.


Maybe because you have studied a few books, you have developed a “scholar” complex. You try as much as possible to force your opinions on others as if you can't be wrong. You are very intolerant to other views/opinions and you deemed them NONSENSE. Sooner or later, I hope you won’t tag those who disagree with you as deviants.

The sciences of Islam are many and deep; the variety of opinions in fiqh are multiple. Don’t think you are always right because you follow a certain opinion of a scholar.

And what is the essence of knowledge without manners? It is useless!


@tintingz and Rilwayne001, Barakallahu Feeh brothers. May Allah increase you in patience.
Despite those words, you didn't reply any and kept your cool. Ma sha Allah! That is maturity, may Allah bless you for that.

lanrexlan:
Imagine telling someone who proclaimed the same shahadatain with you to “hit his head against the wall” just because of different opinions between you. Then, what will you tell a non muslim that doesn’t share the kalimah with you? Put his head on the train track or jump off the building? So much tolerance! Wallah, this is a common trait amongst those who proclaimed salafism, very intolerant. May Allah assists us.


Maybe because you have studied a few books, you have developed a “scholar” complex. You try as much as possible to force your opinions on others as if you can't be wrong. You are very intolerant to other views/opinions and you deemed them NONSENSE. Sooner or later, I hope you won’t tag those who disagree with you as deviants.

The sciences of Islam are many and deep; the variety of opinions in fiqh are multiple. Don’t think you are always right because you follow a certain opinion of a scholar.

And what is the essence of knowledge without manners? It is useless!


@tintingz and Rilwayne001, Barakallahu Feeh brothers. May Allah increase you in patience.
Despite those words, you didn't reply any and kept your cool. Ma sha Allah! That is maturity, may Allah bless you for that.

I hope and I wish you also reconsider to be Just like the people you mention above. Be a reconciler not adding Kerosene to a burning fire. Bcuz your reply would not solve the argument, it will only fuel it.

Hope I don't offend you though.

lanrexlan:
Imagine telling someone who proclaimed the same shahadatain with you to “hit his head against the wall” just because of different opinions between you. Then, what will you tell a non muslim that doesn’t share the kalimah with you? Put his head on the train track or jump off the building? So much tolerance! Wallah, this is a common trait amongst those who proclaimed salafism, very intolerant. May Allah assists us.


Maybe because you have studied a few books, you have developed a “scholar” complex. You try as much as possible to force your opinions on others as if you can't be wrong. You are very intolerant to other views/opinions and you deemed them NONSENSE. Sooner or later, I hope you won’t tag those who disagree with you as deviants.

The sciences of Islam are many and deep; the variety of opinions in fiqh are multiple. Don’t think you are always right because you follow a certain opinion of a scholar.

And what is the essence of knowledge without manners? It is useless!


@tintin.gz and Rilway.ne001, Barakallahu Feeh brothers. May Allah increase you in patience.
Despite those words, you didn't reply any and kept your cool. Ma sha Allah! That is maturity, may Allah bless you for that.

take your epistle somewhere else, because i don't see anything wrong with that statement, its called "being stern" against people of whims and desires – innovators and there is proof for that, Umar was also stern to the extent that he burst the head of a certain innovator called sabeeg with seeds of dates, Imam Maalik was so stern that he sent a man out of his gathering of knowledge bbecause he was asking him that "how exactly is Allaah in his arsh", Ali KILLED some when he went to war against them, so spare me that! I havent abused anybody here, if i have point it out, and i will apologize, so save your pity epistle for those that care.


Keep taking sides with your friends forgetting the verse of "Justice".

Moreover anyone with a bit of aql will know "hit your head against the wall" is not a literal statement but a statememt that could mean, "be annoyed for all i care"(I've even said that in my preceding post after i made that statement), but no you won't think in that line, because that's not the reason why you wrote that against me, you just wanted something to hold on to in other to score cheap points.


One more thing, if one person goes wrong, dont be hesitant to judge the whole group for that person's sole action, it exposes your hate for that group, if i went wrong(which I'm not for now), i should be the one being addressed not the whole salafis, this is the act of Christians.

What is that in background?

That's animated picture of a King on the left. Animated picture of a Horse on the right.

All forbidden according to perhaps manufactured hadith.

This is Prince Fard with his secret British wife posed for picture before he became king Fard

http://slankydiva..com/2014/06/secret-british-wife-of-late-saudi-king.html

Another printed pictures in the background.

Crown Prince Saud Bin Abdelaziz at Zaafaran Palace in Cairo in February 1947

Kings and Princes. All of them den ge posed

lexiconkabir:


take your epistle somewhere else, because i don't see anything wrong with that statement, its called "being stern" against people of whims and desires – innovators and there is proof for that, Umar was also stern to the extent that he burst the head of a certain innovator called sabeeg with seeds of dates, Imam Maalik was so stern that he sent a man out of his gathering of knowledge bbecause he was asking him that "how exactly is Allaah in his arsh", Ali KILLED some when he went to war against them, so spare me that! I havent abused anybody here, if i have point it out, and i will apologize, so save your pity epistle for those that care.


Keep taking sides with your friends forgetting the verse of "Justice".

Moreover anyone with a bit of aql will know "hit your head against the wall" is not a literal statement but a statememt that could mean, "be annoyed for all i care"(I've even said that in my preceding post after i made that statement), but no you won't think in that line, because that's not the reason why you wrote that against me, you just wanted something to hold on to in other to score cheap points.


One more thing, if one person goes wrong, dont be hesitant to judge the whole group for that person's sole action, it exposes your hate for that group, if i went wrong(which I'm not for now), i should be the one being addressed not the whole salafis, this is the act of Christians.

Salam Alaikum bro, Are you comparing yourself to Umar,Ali and other pious sahabas. i have noticed you are arrogant and you believe you are a fountain of knowledge. You dont want to listen to other people's opinion except yours (islamqa). You still have a lot to learn on how to pass your message to people.

opey25:
Salam Alaikum bro, Are you comparing yourself to Umar,Ali and other pious sahabas. i have noticed you are arrogant and you believe you are a fountain of knowledge. You dont want to listen to other people's opinion except yours (islamqa). You still have a lot to learn on how to pass your message to people.

Wa alaykum salaam warahmatullaah, no I'm not comparing myself with the sahabahs, i only gave examples that I'm not the first to be stern against innovators and i made that clear, talking about arrogance, you saying it does not make it true, you can point out where i have been arrogant, if i make mistakes i do admit, i have not abused anybody on this thread...


apart from where i replied the op giving him link of islamqa on isbaal, you can point where i brought islamqa again on this thread, i respect others opinion as far as it is a scholarly one, if they had said "taking pictures printed or not is haraam" then its a different case thats the opinion of Asian scholars which differs from arabian scholars opinion(that i subscribe to and I've explained the rationality behind it), but what they are saying is taking pictures printed or not is allowed which the prophet openly said it is haraam in his sunnah, whatever Allaah and his messenger makes haraam should we be stern on those that want to make it halal or not? How would you feel if someone said pork is halal? Thats exactly how i feel about this issue so dont be quick to point fingers at anyone or take sides.

Salaam.

opey25:
Salam Alaikum bro, Are you comparing yourself to Umar,Ali and other pious sahabas...

Brother, this is not even about comparison! No. The question is who is he following: Nabi Muhammad or Sahabah?

# Allah says, "Certainly you have in the Apostle of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much." surah Ahzab:21

# Many a times one wonders if they digest Quran at all. Allah sets the rules of dialogue and argumentation: "Call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and have disputations with them in the best manner; surely your Lord best knows those who go astray from His path, and He knows best those who follow the right way." surah an-Nahl:125

# He is telling us because Umar hit somebody, Ali kill somebody, Malik hit somebody then if he does whatever he's right with those justifications. What a mentality?!

# Again, is he following Nabi or sahabah?

FriendChoice:


I hope and I wish you also reconsider to be Just like the people you mention above. Be a reconciler not adding Kerosene to a burning fire. Bcuz your reply would not solve the argument, it will only fuel it.

Hope I don't offend you though.

# Many people like you does not have the gut to correct this brother and obviously you are not helping him in his self-established "stern attitude".

# He did something wrong and continue to stand by it yet you want reconciliation with those he wronged despite not giving a damn. What kind of reconciliation is that?

# You talk of "Justice". Justice is when you let him realize his wrong attitude and approach, and apologize. Only then you can reconcile.

# lexiconkabir used to be a moderate and cool headed commentator until he joined the bad-mouthed fellows and almost become their king. Such is the attitude when not corrected in time.

AlBaqir:


# Many people like you does not have the gut to correct this brother and obviously you are not helping him in his self-established "stern attitude".

# He did something wrong and continue to stand by it yet you want reconciliation with those he wronged despite not giving a damn. What kind of reconciliation is that?

# You talk of "Justice". Justice is when you let him realize his wrong attitude and approach, and apologize. Only then you can reconcile.

# lexicon.kabir used to be a moderate and cool headed commentator until he joined the bad-mouthed fellows and almost become their king. Such is the attitude when not corrected in time.

So what wrong did i do? I used to be moderate when i favoured your comments abi? but now that i opposed you vehemently you say i am bad mouthed....

I still challenge any of you to bring out where i abused anybody..

lexiconkabir:
take your epistle somewhere else, because i don't see anything wrong with that statement, its called "being stern" against people of whims and desires – innovators and there is proof for that, Umar was also stern to the extent that he burst the head of a certain innovator called sabeeg with seeds of dates, Imam Maalik was so stern that he sent a man out of his gathering of knowledge bbecause he was asking him that "how exactly is Allaah in his arsh", Ali KILLED some when he went to war against them, so spare me that! I havent abused anybody here, if i have point it out, and i will apologize, so save your pity epistle for those that care.

Lol, you are taking it so personal. I hope you know what happened when the Khaawarij broke away from mainstream Islam? What did Ali(ra) did? He simply called Abdullah Ibn Abass, the great scholar to debate and reason with them and you know what? Some got convinced and returned to mainstream Islam.

Moreover, Rasul is the greatest example.

lexiconkabir:
Keep taking sides with your friends forgetting the verse of "Justice".

I am not taking sides with them, I only followed your conversation. So far, none of the two brothers had called your opinions or stances on issues as NONSENSE.
Once, brother Rilwayne001 simply said this

Rilwayne001:
Although i don't agree with your point here, but i will let it slide.

https://www.nairaland.com/3368864/whats-islam-ruling-taking-photowatching

Did he call your stance NONSENSE? That is simply what I am driving at, it is not a must you agree with people all the time, but you can simply solve your differences with dialogue using manners and not terming others' stance as NONSENSE.

lexiconkabir:
Moreover anyone with a bit of aql will know "hit your head against the wall" is not a literal statement but a statememt that could mean, "be annoyed for all i care"(I've even said that in my preceding post after i made that statement), but no you won't think in that line, because that's not the reason why you wrote that against me, you just wanted something to hold on to in other to score cheap points.

Be it literally or metaphorically, it is still not proper. Admit you are wrong brother and stop coming up with excuses.

lexiconkabir:
One more thing, if one person goes wrong, dont be hesitant to judge the whole group for that person's sole action, it exposes your hate for that group, if i went wrong(which I'm not for now), i should be the one being addressed not the whole salafis, this is the act of Christians.

Funny, I was once a salafi like you years back. Same intolerant attitude I have towards the people that do not share the same ideology with me. In Salafism, you consider your own opinion to right and others to be wrong, then I tend to see people who follow different opinions as the ones dancing besides the pit of hell.

What we were taught was that salafism is only the saved sect and other muslims who do not proclaim salafism will first enter hell before paradise while salafists will stroll into paradise.

May Allah grants us understanding (Ameen)
I have no hatred for you and what you proclaimed, I deal with all and sundry but only with the truthful and the honest ones. I don't see myself to be better than others because I hold to a certain set of beliefs which others don't adhere to. That is not my way.

^^ funny enough, it is people like him that condemn Jabata and others that deem their actions unislamic. What now is the difference between the two of them?

I have met with people of such attitude in real life, and i can tell how dangerous they are to people who don't agree with their opinion. He is probably going to burst tintingz's head should he catch him in real life lol.

Same ol same ol

Brotherly hug to lanrexlan, well said.

Bro Rilwayne001, lol, thats another reason i dont argue with some people offline(physical).

Bro AlBaqir, Well said.

And Bro Empiree you are very funny.

Rilwayne001:
^^ funny enough, it is people like him that condemn Jabata and others that deem their actions unislamic. What now is the difference between the two of them?

I have met with people of such attitude in real life, and i can tell how dangerous they are to people who don't agree with their opinion. He is probably going to burst tintingz's head should he catch him in real life lol.

What he failed to understand is that even within salafism, there are grades.

I know of salafis, even here on NL that snapping pictures using digital camera is even haram and whosoever does that is going to hell. Not printing o, just snapping and uploading on social medias. Jabata is even an example.

To those set of people, they are doing the right thing and you that you keep snapping pictures upandan is wrong and you fail to repent, it is straight to hell.




I watched a video of a sheikh and an atheist and the atheist said there is no God and even predicted the end of the world. Do you know what the sheikh did? He got enraged to the extent that he removed his sandals and was about to hit the atheist. It took the preventer's intervention to stop the fight. Throughout the argument, the atheist kept his cool. Subhanallah! Imagine that


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82MpOotYG08


I don't know how we can solve differences with intolerance..

[s]

AlBaqir:


# Many people like you does not have the gut to correct this brother and obviously you are not helping him in his self-established "stern attitude".

# He did something wrong and continue to stand by it yet you want reconciliation with those he wronged despite not giving a damn. What kind of reconciliation is that?

# You talk of "Justice". Justice is when you let him realize his wrong attitude and approach, and apologize. Only then you can reconcile.

# lexiconkabir used to be a moderate and cool headed commentator until he joined the bad-mouthed fellows and almost become their king. Such is the attitude when not corrected in time.

[/s]

Had it been, it was a Muslim that quote me, I would have respond, or even apologize if I have done any wrong. But for the people who make it article of faith to Insult Ahlul Jannah, don't deserve my reply. But for anyone beside your likes here in this thread that thinks I have taken Side, I apologize again and call for peace within the followers of the Sunnah of Muhammad peace be upon for.


[b]But for your likes, there is nothing like reconciliation, nothing like brotherhood ONLY curse of Allah, Curse of Angels, and our curse to descend on you.
For your like have wage war against the commandments of Prophet of Islam. And those with this attitude shall never know peace both here and hereafter except they repent.

"Do not abuse my Companions, for if any of you were to spend gold equal to (mountain of) Uhud in charity, it would not equal a handful of one of them or even half of that" [al- Bukharee, Muslim]. And he said, "Whoever abuses my Companions, upon them is the curse of Allah, the angels and all the people" [Saheeh, At-Tabaranee].

"You are the best of peoples ever raised for mankind, you enjoin good and forbid evil, and you believe in Allah." [Quran 3:110] "

And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhajiroon (the Emigrants from Makkah) and the Ansar (the citizens of Al-Madeenah who helped the Muhajiroon) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). ALLAH IS WELL-PLEASED WITH THEM AS THEY ARE WELL PLEASED WITH HIM. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success." [Quran 9:100]



"Go forth , O Messenger of Allah, to your desired destination , for we are with you. We swear by Him who has sent you with the truth that (even) if you decided to cross this sea, will would all follow you, not even a single man from us will fall behind. Go forth with the blessing of Allah.

May Allah be pleased with them without exception. [/b]



May Allah make us follow the companions of Muhammad peace be upon him.

lanrexlan:
What he failed to understand is that even within salafism, there are grades.

I know of salafis, even here on NL that snapping pictures using digital camera is even haram and whosoever does that is going to hell. Not printing o, just snapping and uploading on social medias. Jabata is even an example.

To those set of people, they are doing the right thing and you that you keep snapping pictures upandan is wrong and you fail to repent, it is straight to hell.




I watched a video of a sheikh and an atheist and the atheist said there is no God and even predicted the end of the world. Do you know what the sheikh did? He got enraged to the extent that he removed his sandals and was about to hit the atheist. It took the preventer's intervention to stop the fight. Throughout the argument, the atheist kept his cool. Subhanallah! Imagine that


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82MpOotYG08


I don't know how we can solve differences with intolerance..

Wow! Watched the video. That sheikh gat no chill and the atheist guy kept it cool and civil like a civilized person.

This is what happen when someone is too fanatic.

Buddah was a man, people worship him as god, Jesus was a man people worship him as god and many more beliefs so why was the shiekh going rage when the atheist said he is god and predicted the end of day? The shiekh should know that the atheist arguement will be logic/rational he should have apply rationality to his argument to make his point.

That's why I enjoy watching Dr. Zakir Naik and Mufti Menk videos they are always rational when they explain things in their lectures

Sissie:
Same ol same ol

Where have you been?. You so seasoning

lanrexlan:




Funny, I was once a salafi like you years back. Same intolerant attitude I have towards the people that do not share the same ideology with me. In Salafism, you consider your own opinion to right and others to be wrong, then I tend to see people who follow different opinions as the ones dancing besides the pit of hell.

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Really?. I did not know that. I was too and i said that many times here. But he is going to say to you were not true salafi. He said the same of me. How does he feels now doing the same thing we already went through?. The thing is, Nigerian muslims were recently introduced to Salafi/Wahabi idealogy. And their blood still boils. Dont worry, in time he will realize that reading texts and quoting those Shuyuk is not knowledge. Knowledge is acting upon text with wisdom. His approach is called "lazy man methodology" and anyone who goes against those Shuyuk he quotes are "innovators"


Let me give you analogy. a Sheikh with big beard owing luxury car, having his students and others embrace him anytime he steps out of his car, being told "ma sha Allah" for quoting and giving references from Qur'an and hadith. His students say "this is knowledge". One day the Sheikh sleeps at night and has a dream. The dream goes like this. You know the old type of toilet we used to use back in the day called Shalanga?. When Shalanga is full we hired someone to clean it up right?. So sheik sees himself in a dream cleaning Shalanga.

What to derive from this analogy is, Allah does no want to embarrass the Sheikh publicly so He (azal wajal) reveals to him in his dream his status so that when he wakes up, he corrects his way. Meaning you do not have knowledge just bcus public like you. My point is, reading text and claiming to "follow" the Sahaba is not knowledge. It is called MECHANICAL APPROACH to Islam. In another word "PROTESTANT ISLAM"

Hope my analogy makes sense

Salam alaikum brothers

My sincere advice

1: Sheikh tinting, your opinion will count if it is based on Qur'an and hadith as EXPLAINED BY ULAMAH not by your self,
if you have not being learning arabic, please start now and suspend learning the religion through internet so that you will be able to explore the full information in Islam. I am a good example.

2: Ustaz rilwayn, please try to consult books of tafsir before interpreting quran verses, stop giving meaning to verses of Quran by your self. You can also share from the first advice

3: Professor emperee (too much oyinbo) I feel you will be very useful for dawah if you are sound in arabic and learn books of fiq and hadith. Please put more effort it will really help

4: Dotoor lexiconkabir, take things easy, give people excuse, remember you also start somewhere. Regarding the example of those you mentioned, you will notice that they are people of authority and you are not, social media might not be appropriate for such response even if you have to. I will recommend that you be conversant with books on etiquette of dawah.
plus please go and marry(lol)

5: Mallam lanrexlan! I think we will always call to the ways of our pious predecessors not necessarily by naming our self salafi salafi(it makes me laugh because some people failed to understand the meaning of the word)

6: Asiwaju mi opey25, I see you please try to control you anger and deal with people nicely (am sorry I can't advice my boss o)

7: Al bakiri it will be better to stop being shia am very sure you understand why I say this than anyone. I am in a place close to where shia display their true color which means I may know your believe than yourself if your shia is limited to Nigeria. so my sincere advice is that you open your mind and allow the islam brought by the prophet to sink to your mind

Note this does in no way means I am also perfect, please correct me where necessary and if I have offended anybody please do forgive this slave of ALLAH
Jazzakumullahu kaira

yazach:
7: Al bakiri it will be better to stop being shia am very sure you understand why I say this than anyone. I am in a place close to where shia display their true color which means I may know your believe than yourself if your shia is limited to Nigeria. so my sincere advice is that you open your mind and allow the islam brought by the prophet to sink to your mind

Note this does in no way means I am also perfect, please correct me where necessary and if I have offended anybody please do forgive this slave of ALLAH
Jazzakumullahu kaira

# Point of correction: It is Albaqir. Not Al bakiri.

# Are we discussing "Shi'ism" on this thread? To my knowledge, I've never preached Shi'ism on this thread so I wonder why your "advice" comes in that direction.

# How is it possible Albaqir stop being Shia when you (Sunni) have mutawattir hadith that says "Shi'a of Ali" is guarantee success and Al-Jannah in Qiyamat? Here's one of so so many of that ahadith:

* Imam Ahmad gives a mutawatir report:

Ibrāhīm b. Sharīk – ‘Uqbah b. Mukram al-Ḍabī – Yūnus b. Bukayr – alSawār b. Muṣ’ab – Abū al-Jahhāf – Abū Mukram ‘Uqbah – Muḥammad b. ‘Amr – Fāṭimah al-Kubrā – Umm Salamah:

The Prophet, peace be upon him, was with me on my night when Fāṭimah and ‘Alī visited him. So, the Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him, said, “O ‘Alī, be happy, because you and your companions and [size=14pt]your Shī’ah will be in Paradise[/size]"

Source: Abū ‘Abd Allāh Aḥmad b. Ḥanbal, Kitāb Faḍāil al-Ṣaḥābah (Jeddah: Dār al-‘Ilm li al-Ṭabā’ah wa al-Nashr; 1st edition, 1403 H) [annotator: Waṣiyyullāh b. Muḥammad ‘Abbās], vol. 2, p. 654, # 1115


# Anyway to your "advice", its obvious you learn "Shi'ism" through the people (of your environment) just like majority of westerners "learn" Islam through the terror of boko haram, Isis etc. True learning is how the faith present its manhaj not how people interpret it differently.

# I can deduce you either an Hausa man or living in the north thereby your learning of "Shi'ism" is through the Zakyzakites (the IMN).

# Pardon me if am wrong in the above deduction.

yazach:

2: Ustaz rilwayn, please try to consult books of tafsir before interpreting quran verses, stop giving meaning to verses of Quran by your self. You can also share from the first advice

Erhmm! Sire, i can't seem to remember quoting any verses of the Quran on this thread, or maybe you just feel like dishing your advise to everyone at all cost?

Okay, your advise is duly noted. Thank you