sledjama:


just sit back and go through what you typed. accreditation to train pre-nursery

tell me more

Why do you guys hate to read? Visit the school's website first and ask yourself if CIS is a pre-nursery only school.
I will just take the sound advice of a fellow nairalander who asked me to ignore people like you.
The school is for expatriates and wealthy Nigerians so why are you taking paracetamol for the headache of people who know what they are paying their money for?
Do you think these expatriates and wealthy Nigerians are dumb?
O ga o. See hatred o!!!

isnovic:
This is sad, to note that education for grade 1 through 6 is now at minimum 400k per semester, that is 1.2million per year.

The FG should rein in on some of this excesses. Schools should be regulated and school fees should be fixed.

If you are not ready to provide the service and you are in it for the quick profit from totally dis-oriented parents then you should quit.

Why should government fix the school fees? It's not like there are no cheaper or free schools! Parents aren't forced to send their children to these schools. Market forces should fix the school fees! If the school is too expensive, they would not get any students and would have to shut down.

It's up to parents to determine if it's too expensive or not. This is not a communist country. People who want to send their children to such schools should be free to do so. People who believe that the school fees are crazy should also be free to send their children to other schools that are cheaper or free.

A parent sued Corona Schools Trust a few years ago, because they increased their school fees. The parent lost the case because the court ruled that they have a choice. They can send their child to another school if they believe that Corona's fees are too high.

naptu2:
1) This kind of schools exist everywhere (go check out the school fees at Institut Le Rosey, Salisbury and other such schools).

2) It's up to parents to decide if they want to send their kids to these schools. It's up to the parent to decide if the standard of education is worth the fees that they pay.

3) There will be kids who will attend these schools and do well in life, just as there will also be kids who will attend these schools and do badly. It's the same for all schools.

4) It will be totally wrong for the government to close the schools down just because of the high school fees that they charge.

5) What the government should do is to tax these schools and use the tax to fund improvements in government owned schools (especially state and local government owned schools).

6) State internal revenue services should also investigate people who send their children to these schools to make sure that they've paid their taxes. The state revenue services should report parents with dubious sources of income to the EFCC.

Businessideas:


Why do you guys hate to read? Visit the school's website first and ask yourself if CIS is a pre-nursery only school.
I will just take the sound advice of a fellow nairalander who asked me to ignore people like you.
The school is for expatriates and wealthy Nigerians so why are you taking paracetamol for the headache of people who know what they are paying their money for?
Do you think these expatriates and wealthy Nigerians are dumb?
O ga o. See hatred o!!!

sorry, that i dont buy your non constructive businessideas does not translate to hatred.
9 out of 10 here felt it is wasteful so who am i to argue.

i am being reasonable here and my reasoning is based on facts, not driven by emotional sentiments or justification for being wasteful.

new york is one very expensive city to live in, and preschool averages 10k/yr which is 4.2 m per year at our current exchange.

this school cost 2.27m per term, so we looking at 6.7m per annum. (pls correct me if i miss something)

oh! cut me those expatriates, it is even cheaper in their countries.

you asked.if i think those paying up are dumb.
yes i think so, does that make them dumb? maybe not

if you dont know, as wealthy as otedola is, he buys his 10,000 naira phone for 10000 naira only, wealth is not synonymous to wastefulness.

Maybe they install knowledge & understanding into the childrens' brains.

My Good people of Nairaland, while i understand your analysis and submissions, please permit me to clear the notion that patrons of Children's International School are looters of Nigeria's resources. Truth is, majority of CIS' patrons are expatriates and diplomats (foreign nationals). The few Nigerians in the school are relocated diaspora-nationals. So, these are people who honourably earn their money and wish to give their children the quality of primary and secondary education CIS offers because they can afford it and trust me, the quality is the same as it is in England because CIS runs an undiluted British curriculum. Proof of this are the number of accreditation the school has gotten by different British bodies. We all know how much of strict elements the British have in their culture so they cannot accredit a body that has not met their stipulated criteria for any purpose. All these culminate into CIS having to put in a lot of top-notch resources to ensure that this standard is maintained. So, good people, this is what it is.

Is dat acceptance fee paid once or every section?

Businessideas:


Why do you guys hate to read? Visit the school's website first and ask yourself if CIS is a pre-nursery only school.
I will just take the sound advice of a fellow nairalander who asked me to ignore people like you.
The school is for expatriates and wealthy Nigerians so why are you taking paracetamol for the headache of people who know what they are paying their money for?
Do you think these expatriates and wealthy Nigerians are dumb?
O ga o. See hatred o!!!

Nairalanders are very funny people. Once they see 'expensive' school, they go gaga and start saying all sorts. Meanwhile, none of them says the actual amount they also paid when they were in school. If somebody pays N2m and they pay 10k, they start shouting that the N2m person has over paid and if such a child is being taught something else. Meanwhile, while they are paying 10k, which they think is small, somebody else is complaining that it is too high and is paying 5k. Another person is also saying that the person paying 5k is too high because his is paying no fees. People should stop hating. Na person wen get him money know how he wan spend am. It is not everybody that is corrupt or a thief. People earn honest money.

My Good people of Nairaland, while i understand your analysis and submissions, please permit me to clear the notion that patrons of Children's International school are looters of Nigeria's resources. Truth is, majority of CIS' patrons are expatriates and diplomats (foreign nationals). The few Nigerians in the school are relocated diaspora-nationals. So, these are people who honourably earn their money and wish to give their children the quality of primary and secondary education CIS offers because they can afford it and trust me, the quality is the same as it is in England because CIS runs an undiluted British curriculum. Proof of this are the number of accreditation the school has gotten by different British bodies. We all know how much of strict elements the British have in their culture so they cannot accredit a body that has not met their stipulated criteria for any purpose. All these culminate into CIS having to put in a lot of top-notch resources to ensure that this standard is maintained. Hope i have been able to clear the air.

naptu2:


Why should government fix the school fees? It's not like there are no cheaper or free schools! Parents aren't forced to send their children to these schools. Market forces should fix the school fees! If the school is too expensive, they would not get any students and would have to shut down.

It's up to parents to determine if it's too expensive or not. This is not a communist country. People who want to send their children to such schools should be free to do so. People who believe that the school fees are crazy should also be free to send their children to other schools that are cheaper or free.

A parent sued Corona Schools Trust a few years ago, because they increased their school fees. The parent lost the case because the court ruled that they have a choice. They can send their child to another school if they believe that Corona's fees are too high.

I am not advocating they should be scrapped.

I am saying the fess should be regulated, as what is obtainable everywhere else.

Tuition fees set unilaterally by private schools is not in the best interest of the country, it has so many disadvantages

1. Parents are left at the mercy of the shylock school owners.
2. Yes, changing your child's school just because the school authority increases the tuition unannounced or makes them too high means the child school rhythm is disturbed.
3. Teachers are priced out of public school for greener pastures, leaving behind a poorly motivated public school workforce and the attendant problems of strike and what not.
4. The turnover rate of teachers in these private schools is crazy as teachers are at the mercies of the proprietors.

I rather have the tuition moderated and regulated so that the choice remains with the parents.

isnovic:


I am not advocating they should be scrapped.

I am saying the fess should be regulated, as what is obtainable everywhere else.

Tuition fees set unilaterally by private schools is not in the best interest of the country, it has so many disadvantages

1. Parents are left at the mercy of the Sherlock Holmes school owners.
2. Yes, changing your child's school just because the school authority increases the tuition unannounced or makes them too high means the child school rhythm is disturbed.
3. Teachers are priced out of public school for greener pastures, leaving behind a poorly motivated public school workforce and the attendant problems of strike and what not.
4. The turnover rate of teachers in these private schools is crazy as teachers are at the mercies of the proprietors.

I rather have the tuition moderated and regulated so that the choice remains with the parents.

You still haven't answered my questions. Why should the government fix fees? How are parents at the mercy of the schools when there are hundreds of cheaper and free schools? Many people on this thread have said that there are better schools around that are cheaper or even free, so how are the parents at the mercy of these schools? There are people who have the money to send their kids to this kind of schools, but choose not to, so how is attending this kind of school a necessity? Where did I say that they should be scrapped? Please read my posts again.

Parents have a wide variety of schools that they can send their kids to. In Lagos alone, parents have the choice to send their kids to expensive fee paying schools like

Dowen College, American International School, British International School, Green Springs, White Sands, Lagoon School, Atlantic Hall, Chrisland School, Grange School, Children's International School, Meadow Hall, Lekki British School, etc.

They can send their kids to high quality, but cheaper legacy schools like:

CMS Grammar School, St Gregory's College, Kings College, Methodist Boys High School, Baptist Academy, Maryland Comprehensive Secondary School, Sherpherdhill Baptist Girls High School, Aunty Ayo International School, Ansar Ud Deen, Queens College, Our Lady Of Apostles, Methodist Girls High School, St Finbarr's College, International School Lagos, Federal Government College Ijanikin, Command Secondary School Ikeja, etc.

They can send their kids to quality government schools like (most of these schools are free) :

Lagos State Model College Badore, Government College Victoria Island, Government College Ikoyi, Government College Eric Moore, Birch Freeman High School, Oriwu Model College, Lagos State Model College Kankon, etc.

They can send their kids to other cheaper private schools like:

Grace Schools, Apata Memorial High School, Dansol High School, Binta International School, Adebayo Mokolu College, Fountain Heights Secondary School, Princeton School, etc.

They can also send their kids to free government schools like:

Kuramo College, Victoria Island Secondary School, Akande Dahunsi, Boys Academy, Jubril Martins High School, Government College Maroko, etc.

The people that send their kids to these other schools are also human beings. Check the front page, you'll read about a governor that sent his child to a (free) government school. Yet you want government to set the school fees? What's next? Government should set the price of your car, your phone, your medical expenses, etc? These communist policies do not work! Parents that send their kids to these schools will simply send them to schools abroad, while teachers that teach in these schools will move to other countries where they can earn what they believe they are worth. The owners of such schools will simply set up schools in Benin, Ghana, Togo and other countries where they are free to set the school fees (nigerians already own secondary schools and universities in these countries and there are a lot of nigerian students there). That's how brain drain starts. Parents and the market should determine if these schools are too expensive. If they are too expensive, they won't have any students and they'll be forced to reduce their fees or shut down.

(By the way, the word you are looking for is shylock, not Sherlock Holmes)

Why should government fix the school fees? It's not like there are no cheaper or free schools! Parents aren't forced to send their children to these schools. Market forces should fix the school fees! If the school is too expensive, they would not get any students and would have to shut down.

It's up to parents to determine if it's too expensive or not. This is not a communist country. People who want to send their children to such schools should be free to do so. People who believe that the school fees are crazy should also be free to send their children to other schools that are cheaper or free.

A parent sued Corona Schools Trust a few years ago, because they increased their school fees. The parent lost the case because the court ruled that they have a choice. They can send their child to another school if they believe that Corona's fees are too high.

naptu2:
1) This kind of schools exist everywhere (go check out the school fees at Institut Le Rosey, Salisbury and other such schools).

2) It's up to parents to decide if they want to send their kids to these schools. It's up to the parent to decide if the standard of education is worth the fees that they pay.

3) There will be kids who will attend these schools and do well in life, just as there will also be kids who will attend these schools and do badly. It's the same for all schools.

4) It will be totally wrong for the government to close the schools down just because of the high school fees that they charge.

5) What the government should do is to tax these schools and use the tax to fund improvements in government owned schools (especially state and local government owned schools).

6) State internal revenue services should also investigate people who send their children to these schools to make sure that they've paid their taxes. The state revenue services should report parents with dubious sources of income to the EFCC.

naptu2:


You still haven't answered my questions. Why should the government fix fees? How are parents at the mercy of the schools when there are hundreds of cheaper and free schools? Many people on this thread have said that there are better schools around that are cheaper or even free, so how are the parents at the mercy of these schools? There are people who have the money to send their kids to this kind of schools, but choose not to, so how is attending this kind of school a necessity? Where did I say that they should be scrapped? Please read my posts again.

Parents have a wide variety of schools that they can send their kids to. In Lagos alone, parents have the choice to send their kids to expensive fee paying schools like

Dowen College, American International School, British International School, Green Springs, White Sands, Lagoon School, Atlantic Hall, Chrisland School, etc.

They can send their kids to high quality, but cheaper legacy schools like:

CMS Grammar School, St Gregory's College, Kings College, Methodist Boys High School, Baptist Academy, Aunty Ayo International School, Ansar Ud Deen, Queens College, Our Lady Of Apostles, Methodist Girls High School, St Finbarr's College, International School Lagos, Federal Government College Ijanikin, Command Secondary School Ikeja, etc.

They can send their kids to quality government schools like (most of these schools are free) :

Lagos State Model College Badore, Government College Victoria Island, Government College Ikoyi, Government College Eric Moore, Birch Freeman High School, Oriwu Model College, etc.

They can send their kids to other cheaper private schools like:

Grace Schools, Apata Memorial High School, Adebayo Mokolu College, Fountain Heights Secondary School, Princeton School, etc.

They can also send their kids to free government schools like:

Kuramo College, Victoria Island Secondary School, Akande Dahunsi, Boys Academy, Jubril Martins High School, Government College Maroko.

The people that send their kids to these other schools are also human beings. Check the front page, you'll read about a governor that sent his child to a (free) government school. Yet you want government to set the school fees? What's next? Government should set the price of your car, your phone, your medical expenses, etc? These communist policies do not work! Parents that send their kids to these schools will simply send them to schools abroad, while teachers that teach in these schools will move to other countries where they can earn what they believe they are worth. The owners of such schools will simply set up schools in Benin, Ghana, Togo and other countries where they are free to set the school fees (nigerians already own secondary schools and universities in these countries and there are a lot of nigerian students there). That's how brain drain starts. Parents and the market should determine if these schools are too expensive. If they are too expensive, they won't have any students and they'll be forced to reduce their fees or shut down.

(By the way, the word you are looking for is shylock, not Sherlock Holmes)

You have nailed it with the bold. People always quickly jump out in Nairaland and start blazing away when they see the word 'expensive school fees in millions' as if such parents do not have the choice to send their kids to such a school. It is a choice thing.

If the government is to fix the fees, then what are the various consideration?. Should the school fees for a private school in Lagos be the same amount as the school fees for a private school in Zamfara?. This will now throw up the present problems we have in the political emoluments of elected persons where the government sets salaries and allowances centrally not considering that the monthly IGR of one state can be the yearly IGR of another state and yet the two are expected to pay the salaries and allowances to his elected people.

naptu2:


You still haven't answered my questions. Why should the government fix fees? How are parents at the mercy of the schools when there are hundreds of cheaper and free schools? Many people on this thread have said that there are better schools around that are cheaper or even free, so how are the parents at the mercy of these schools? There are people who have the money to send their kids to this kind of schools, but choose not to, so how is attending this kind of school a necessity? Where did I say that they should be scrapped? Please read my posts again.

Parents have a wide variety of schools that they can send their kids to. In Lagos alone, parents have the choice to send their kids to expensive fee paying schools like

Dowen College, American International School, British International School, Green Springs, White Sands, Lagoon School, Atlantic Hall, Chrisland School, Grange School, Children's International School, Meadow Hall, Lekki British School, etc.


They can send their kids to high quality, but cheaper legacy schools like:

CMS Grammar School, St Gregory's College, Kings College, Methodist Boys High School, Baptist Academy, Maryland Comprehensive Secondary School, Sherpherdhill Baptist Girls High School, Aunty Ayo International School, Ansar Ud Deen, Queens College, Our Lady Of Apostles, Methodist Girls High School, St Finbarr's College, International School Lagos, Federal Government College Ijanikin, Command Secondary School Ikeja, etc.

They can send their kids to quality government schools like (most of these schools are free) :

Lagos State Model College Badore, Government College Victoria Island, Government College Ikoyi, Government College Eric Moore, Birch Freeman High School, Oriwu Model College, Lagos State Model College Kankon, etc.

They can send their kids to other cheaper private schools like:

Grace Schools, Apata Memorial High School, Dansol High School, Binta International School, Adebayo Mokolu College, Fountain Heights Secondary School, Princeton School, etc.

They can also send their kids to free government schools like:

Kuramo College, Victoria Island Secondary School, Akande Dahunsi, Boys Academy, Jubril Martins High School, Government College Maroko, etc.

The people that send their kids to these other schools are also human beings. Check the front page, you'll read about a governor that sent his child to a (free) government school. Yet you want government to set the school fees? What's next? Government should set the price of your car, your phone, your medical expenses, etc? These communist policies do not work! Parents that send their kids to these schools will simply send them to schools abroad, while teachers that teach in these schools will move to other countries where they can earn what they believe they are worth. The owners of such schools will simply set up schools in Benin, Ghana, Togo and other countries where they are free to set the school fees (nigerians already own secondary schools and universities in these countries and there are a lot of nigerian students there). That's how brain drain starts. Parents and the market should determine if these schools are too expensive. If they are too expensive, they won't have any students and they'll be forced to reduce their fees or shut down.

(By the way, the word you are looking for is shylock, not Sherlock Holmes)

The verbosity of your argument is a turn off.

[b]Firstly i did not see a primafry school or nursery school in your list that is children/parents friendly.
I doubt you have kids of your own, that you will think of sending a kid to schools located that far with the traffic situation on the island.

My children used to attend NewHall International in Chevy view estate just 2 roundabouts away and they return from school at least 430pm to 5pm after leaving home 0700am.

That my dear is no way to raise a 5-9 year old.

Secondly, you claim school fees should not be regulated, which parent is not entitled to the best schools in Lagos?

Or do you think if the schools are averaged out, parents will not make a better choice?

Which kids deserve to go to school in the conditions of our present public schools?

Or the fact that some schools are paying their tuition now in dollar does not scare you?

Am pretty sure in all my schooling days at the university, my total tuition fee will be under 700,000 NGN.

That is the fee some parents are required to pay for some private schools for a term.

Which ever way you rationalise a free market economy, the economic application is for humans and not for textbook.

If it ain't working for you change it....that simple.

Which Nigerian teachers move outside the country to teach? Do you think the profession is unregulated as it is in Nigeria or you think the accreditation required is easily picked up from the gutters of Nigeria systems.

Which of Nigeria schools is signatory to Sydney accord or the other 2 accords, and that is talking about universities in Nigeria.

Please spare me the economics lecture and ideal situation bullshit.


Your wages is not ideal, the economy is not ideal?

And trust me if i can complain without being immodest, there are many more who are just waiting to explode.

[/b]

I think I just wasted my time trying to educate someone (talking about seeing nursery and primary schools on my list when the subject of discussion is secondary schools. Asking which teachers will move abroad, he probably has never heard of Charles Ogundimu and others. Talking about certification, he probably didn't witness the mass exodus of doctors in the '80s, how did they get certified? Probably doesn't know that there are many nigerian doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers, etc practising abroad. Talking about who doesn't want the best schools for their kids, who doesn't want to drive a Rolls Royce, be treated at the Mayo Clinic, sleep at the Hilton, own an iPhone, why don't you go force them to reduce their prices? As if you are entitled to these things! Why don't you ask the government to tax these things and provide better schools? Talking about distance when the schools on my list are from all parts of Lagos, talking about not knowing the traffic on the Island when I live on the Island and a lot of other ignorant babble).

Anyway, no need for me to waste my time. GO AND FORCE THE SCHOOLS TO REDUCE THEIR FEES!

naptu2:
I think I just wasted my time trying to educate someone (talking about seeing nursery and primary schools on my list when the subject of discussion is secondary schools. Asking which teachers will move abroad, he probably has never heard of Charles Ogundimu and others. Talking about certification, he probably didn't witness the mass exodus of doctors in the '80s, how did they get certified? Probably doesn't know that there are many nigerian doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers, etc practising abroad. Talking about who doesn't want the best schools for their kids, who doesn't want to drive a Rolls Royce, be treated at the Mayo Clinic, sleep at the Hilton, own an iPhone, why don't you go force them to reduce their prices? As if you are entitled to these things! Why don't you ask the government to tax these things and provide better schools? Talking about distance when the schools on my list are from all parts of Lagos, talking about not knowing the traffic on the Island when I live on the Island and a lot of other ignorant babble).

Anyway, no need for me to waste my time. GO AND FORCE THE SCHOOLS TO REDUCE THEIR FEES!

My God educate me......please it is too early for sick jokes.
If you indeed stay in the island like you said, what is the commute time from VGC to VI by as early as 630am.

Plus, my dear am one of those who work outside as an expat engineer and believe me it has nothing to do with Nigeria educational system.

Lastly people like you do not know that the ranting or babbling as you put it of one person is enough to create a spark that will drive the critical mass required for a shift.

and please from primary, secondary and up to University, the system is poor and deliberately so because of poor funding and interest by stakeholders in the education industry.

The private education is the best alternative, check the statistics of schools ( in all 3 tiers plus Montessori) that have sprung due to profiteering situation created by government nonchalance as well as lack of regulation.

Talking about educating me....guy feel free to show your ignorance after all, it is free.

Why should i waste my time to educate someone who can't understand simple basic principles after so many months??

Principles like - It's not the government's job to dictate school fees, rather the government's job is to provide free, qualitative education in government schools and it is the people's job to force the government to provide such schools.

Why should I educate someone who doesn't know that there are many schools in the Ikota area (where he claims to live in)? Someone who doesn't know that there are government schools, cheap private schools and expensive private schools in that same area.

Primary schools like Ikota Primary School, Alkitab Nursery And Primary School Ikota, St Mary's School Ikota, Chrisland School VGC, Sureville Montesorri School Ikota, Marblehill School, etc.

Secondary schools like Jesilo High School Ikota, Atmayo High School Ikota, Delphi International School Ikota, Al Akeedat Model College Ikota, Ilasan Secondary School Jakande, Gbara Community School Jakande, etc

Why should I educate someone who is not bright enough to understand what free enterprise and freedom of choice is about?? Someone who doesn't understand that this issue has been decided by the courts. Someone who chooses to believe in a communist utopia.

I've got much better things to do with my time. So please, go and force the school to fix school fees that you are comfortable with (afterall, ranting on Nairaland won't change the school fees). I'm not going to respond again. I've got much better things to do with my time.

DeKen:
Quality education can be expensive but these figures are shocking.
People who have their kids here could have advice to help Nigeria out of recession.

I hope graduation from here guarantees a 6 figures monthly pay.


Tech guys should check my signature for something you can do to earn income in this recession.
Details here: https://www.nairaland.com/953571/nursery-primary-secondary-school-management

these schools are just looking at the low end private schools fees of schools in the UK especially London and then doing a
Naira conversion and charging the parents the naira rate "smh"
Further more it cost the UK Government on average £6000 pounds to educate a child in a state-school per year
the Nigerian Private schools just do Naira rate conversion and charge that to Parents...

this is a good read below on schools fees in UK and cost of educating children by the DFE UK -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/02/21/britains-first-cut-price-private-school-will-charge-parents/

jibbish:

If you preach from morning to night, dem no go understand. A frnd of mine teaches in Day Waterman, to maintain the facilities, large number of staff and so on is over whelming. I don't know how many staff CIS has but they take money from few to employ large hands. To cap it all, DWC had 94.1% pass in their IGSCe exams. Yet some are hating.
Poverty will make some pple think public school is better. Oshi plus iranu

Please, how can I reach you, I need more information about Day Waterman. Thanks