lexiconkabir:


in your society is braiding of hair exclusively for women?

No.

tintingz:
No.

lol you live where?

lexiconkabir:


lol you live where?

Jamaica.

tintingz:
Jamaica.

so in Jamaica you can take braids to a place where nobles work?
lying is a major sin sha

lexiconkabir:


so in Jamaica you can take braids to a place where nobles work?

lying is a major sin sha

Yes, see this man o.

tintingz:
Yes, see this man o.

tor, well don't pass my area with braids, because they will be looking at you somehow somehow, in their minds "eleribu omo"

lexiconkabir:


tor, well don't pass my area with braids, because they will be looking at you somehow somehow, in their minds "eleribu omo"

Don't worry I won't pass your area .

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lexiconkabir:
I don't intend having long discussion with you...



As you can see I held this view too, until I found another reliable hadith which as followers of sunnah we can't downplay.

Post the full Hadith and complete reference. I 've swept through Sunan Abu Dawud and it is not there. I reckon that your original post was not original but copied and edited from another forum.

Covering the faces is recommended and I am sure I made mention of this, but it is not compulsory, there is no single sahih hadith directly from the prophet that says IT IS WAAJIB TO COVER THE FACE but we have a reliable hadith which specifically mentioned that the hands and the face can be left from the mouth of the prophet directly.

There is a reason why a segment of your clergy still treat the Face-veil mandatory, the reason being that they cannot confirm this Hadith your are profferring. Your religion requires women to conceal their beauties from men. Is the face no longer part of a woman's beauty, is the face less attractive than the feet which you require to be covered?

You are still not getting what he is trying to say


Skirts

In Scotland, it is usual to see men wearing skirt even for formal events like graduation or ball. That particular skirt is specifically for their men because it is considered for men.


Braids

I have come across a picture in a history textbook about Africa where the men braid their hair. It was so much of a culture that they go to great length to care for the hair. In this community, braids is considered a male thing.

lexiconkabir:



No Ahlus sunnah shaykh will criticize you for keeping your hair, rather you will be criticized for styling it like a woman, which includes braiding.

if we are to use your culture argument, then braiding of the hair for men would be bad here in Nigeria because nobody will regard you as responsible individual for braiding your hair.

Islam did not come to eradicate culture rather it came to purify culture from corruption, so any culture that contradicts Islam is discarded

also it is clearly stated that there will come a time where shaytan makes the good look bad and the bad look good

Ma sha Allah jazakumullahu bi khair.
One important simple yardstick I use to follow in all my activities is that whenever the prophet pbuh was confronted with two solutions/answers to the same problem he always picked the simpler more convenient one
Allah S.W.T is aware of the situations that may arise where a Muslimah's face or hands may be required to be displayed as proven today by biometric verification on almost all vital life endeavors including Hajj. So Allah made it convenient to display the face and the hands.
Allah knows best. Ma'assalam.

ما شاء لله

Contact17:
Jazakallahu Khiran

masha llah

lexiconkabir:
So having cleared that up, we talk about how exactly should the hijab be?

#It should cover all the body apart from whatever has been exempted.

#It should not be an adornment in and of itself.

#It should be thick and not transparent or “see-through”

#It should be loose, not tight so that it describes any part of the body, showing the contours of your body.

#It should not be perfumed

#It should not resemble the clothing of men, not even "female trousers" or "leggings" outside your home.

#It should not resemble the dress of kaafir women

#It should not be a garment of fame and vanity


And as an addition, do not wear your hijab like this;

[img]http://bilalshariff.files./2013/12/1176389_584806371582670_507286660_n.jpg[/img]

And Allaah knows best....

That is one thing I so much LOVE about Islam, no room for pretence. I'm kind of a weak Muslim though i always pray to Allah for steadfastness.

Trousers are cultural things. Women generally wears trousers in some culture and don't in some.

Men tie wrapper in some and do not in others.

So a scotish man wearing skirt is normal and an Arab woman wearing trousers is normal as well.

Trouses is not a man's dress in Arab countries and it is in some African countries.

Among the Yoruba tribe of Nigeria, You can wear a Trouser (like Kembe) that does not show the shape of your leg.!

Really speaking only leggings shows the shape of your legs. In as much as you are wearing a long dress on top of it.

The wrapper (Iro)which is not mentioned in fact shows your body shape more than a normal trousers.

we should be careful in generalizing things.

When you go on Hajj, you will realize that virtually all nation has their women in Trousers but with long gown to cover their bosom.

Yet the prophet said, my ummah will never agree on what is wrong!

wa Allahu aalam

lexiconkabir:


Oh! Actually I'm speaking about hijab and hijab is used for non-mahrams, right? And as for wearing trousers at home, I'm not too sure about the ruling, although I've heard some(even shaykh munajid I think) saying its allowed, but I don't agree with them cuz if wearing of sandals that are for male is considered imitating men by Aa'ishah then what about trousers?

lexiconkabir:


tor, well don't pass my area with braids, because they will be looking at you somehow somehow, in their minds "eleribu omo"

Hahahahahahahaha
Are u from ilorin?

usermane:


Post the full Hadith and complete reference. I 've swept through Sunan Abu Dawud and it is not there. I reckon that your original post was not original but copied and edited from another forum.

I think I made mention that the analysis was copied from shaykh Al-Albanee's book? So if you see the same analysis somewhere else what would that mean to you? Anyway you swept through Abu dawood and didn't find the hadith? If you had checked only kitab al-libas you wouldve found it, anyway the reference I gave was an error it should be 4104 not 4140, I tried to see if I can get an online hadith app because I don't want to go through the stress of scanning the original book, check here https://muflihun.com/abudawood/34/4092 although on the app the reference is 4092, on the hardcopy its 4104.

There is a reason why a segment of your clergy still treat the Face-veil mandatory, the reason being that they cannot confirm this Hadith your are profferring. Your religion requires women to conceal their beauties from men.

This is irrelevant, the hadith has been proven to be authentic, so we use the hadith to interpret other hadith that discuss the issue of veil, again I repeat no single hadith from the mouth of the prophet saying it is waajib to cover the face and hands.

Is the face no longer part of a woman's beauty, is the face less attractive than the feet which you require to be covered?

According to Ahlus sunnah wal jama'ah the awrah for men does not include the chest, is the novel (or knees) more attractive than the chest?

snazzie:

Hahahahahahahaha
Are u from ilorin?

Actually I am from offa, but almost everything about my extended family is in Ilorin.

omosuper:
That is one thing I so much LOVE about Islam, no room for pretence. I'm kind of a weak Muslim though i always pray to Allah for steadfastness.

You can become strong by studying, the more you know about Islam, the more you love Islam.

lexiconkabir:


I dont think i understand your question properly, but today we see girls wearing trousers under hijab such that we see the shape of their legs and so on......there would say its not imitation of men because these trousers are made exclusively for females, but the argument doesn't make sense, you are imitating men, cuz trousers is originally for men.....

The prohibition of imitating men and vice versa is so strictly frowned at such that it also affects the wearing of footwear that are for male and vice versa, its prohibited just as Aa'ishah said.

Jazaka Allahu khayran. I will like to input one or two things, there is nothing wrong in wearing of trousers by women, so long as it is well covered by the hijab.
The hadith that said men should not dress like women and women should not dress like men us saheeh.
Scholars now explained that it us relative to where you live or your country. In northern Nigeria, for example, it is believed that wearing of lace or Ankara is for women, so it is frowned upon and discouraged but in the southwest there is nothing wrong with wearing your lace or your Ankara for a man since people in the community have not termed it a cloth for women. The talks on tying of wrapper is more strict but for a Muslim leaving in the southeast there is no wrong there since both men and women tie wrappers.
Wa Allahu aalam

lexiconkabir:


I think I made mention that the analysis was copied from shaykh Al-Albanee's book? So if you see the same analysis somewhere else what would that mean to you? Anyway you swept through Abu dawood and didn't find the hadith? If you had checked only kitab al-libas you wouldve found it, anyway the reference I gave was an error it should be 4104 not 4140, I tried to see if I can get an online hadith app because I don't want to go through the stress of scanning the original book, check here https://muflihun.com/abudawood/34/4092 although on the app the reference is 4092, on the hardcopy its 4104.

No. The link refered me to the Hadith whose chain Abu Dawud declared incomplete. Post the other version of this Hadith you claimed has a complete chain.

According to Ahlus sunnah wal jama'ah the awrah for men does not include the chest, is the novel (or knees) more attractive than the chest?

Haha. I 'll be sure to ask the women in Romance section

lexiconkabir:


You can become strong by studying, the more you know about Islam, the more you love Islam.

Jazak bro

alfarouq:

Jazaka Allahu khayran. I will like to input one or two things, there is nothing wrong in wearing of trousers by women, so long as it is well covered by the hijab.
The hadith that said men should not dress like women and women should not dress like men us saheeh.
Scholars now explained that it us relative to where you live or your country. In northern Nigeria, for example, it is believed that wearing of lace or Ankara is for women, so it is frowned upon and discouraged but in the southwest there is nothing wrong with wearing your lace or your Ankara for a man since people in the community have not termed it a cloth for women. The talks on tying of wrapper is more strict but for a Muslim leaving in the southeast there is no wrong there since both men and women tie wrappers.
Wa Allahu aalam

This is exactly what I was about typing, women from middle east wear mainly trousers and you dare not tye wrapper if you happen to live in western world during winter. As for those from south east or South south, I believe they have options rather than tying wrapper.

lexiconkabir:


Actually I am from offa, but almost everything about my extended family is in Ilorin.

Tot as much

Waaleikum sallam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Jazakallahu khair! Your post is highly educative and I trust it has broadened our knowledge on the importance as well as the scope of Hijaab.

Bimpe29:
Waaleikum sallam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Jazakallahu khair! Your post is highly educative and I trust it has broadened our knowledge on the importance as well as the scope of Hijaab.

wa anti fajazakAllaah khaira!