Phi001:

This guy gets it.

They're doing the same thing. Legends rewriting history/the timeline with little/no effects on the present is a massive loophole...

He changed only the events after his mother's death.

profstar:


It could be understandable that Barry changed time manually (which could be rough on time) while they (LOT) used machine which is precise and neat, is like cutting through bread by ripping it apart(barry) and using engine to slice it(lot)..

iykekelvins:
Epic!!

profstar:


It could be understandable that Barry changed time manually (which could be rough on time) while they (LOT) used machine which is precise and neat, is like cutting through bread by ripping it apart(barry) and using engine to slice it(lot).

Norman4real:
I think when the legends make small alterations in the timeline, they don't notice the small effects since it doesn't affect those closest to them while barry is only able to notice the slight effects of his time travel since he influenced something personal in his own life.

Phi001:

They used a machine to get to the place the same way Barry used his speed.
The machine doesn't tell them what to do, just like Barry's speed doesn't tell him what to do.
Whether you cut a chunk of bread with your bands or you slice it, you can't make the bread whole again. ...

profstar:

Have you ever wondered why they hardly use the word "timeline " in LOT? because of the precision of the machine they use. Flash just run "top speed" , close his eyes and gbam, there he is in the past, sometimes get lost, even onetime got there TOO EARLY, Barry can also achieve precision in time travelling but it will take time, even the great reverse flash from the future (with absolute knowledge of time) travels and miss road.

In flashpoint, time travelling was done 4 good times,
First, Barry time travel the past, saved his mum, second, took reverse flash and traveled back to the future(if it was LOT coming back after saving the mum, the machine will ensure they land back in their initial timeline, not another one). This is someone who is an amateur in time travelling. He didn't even know the name of what he was doing (flashpoint).

Phi001:

I'm afraid I trust the speedforce better than a machine... .

Phi001:

But just to satisfy our curiousity, I wish they do an episode where LoT crew go and stop Tharwne from killing Barry's mom. I'd like to see the effects...
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Phi001:

Flashpoint is just a name suggested by Eobard not that that's the name of what Barry did. I hope you understand this point. .

profstar:

The speedforce only allows speedsters to time travel, it don't give accuracy. That is a skill for the speedster to acquire. Imagine how RF timetravels in LOT with accuracy. That is a skill you first need before you start changing things.

profstar:
It will be too complicated, because they will have to first show us the original timeline where Barry got his powers naturally while his dad and mum were still alive.
What we have seen so far from season 1 is the 2nd timeline created by RF when he tried to kill young Barry but failed then decided to settle score by killing his mother then resulted in him creating "flash" artificially.
Then, the 3rd timeline when Barry tried to return to the first timeline by "unkilling" his mom. The dude still even want to keep the knowledge of the 2nd timeline where he got his power artificially. (Dumb)
Even if they want to do that, it would have been part of the crossover but they didn't.

profstar:
He didn't say categorically that he suggested the name. As a matter of fact Barry while explaining it onetime used this sentence "... They call it flashpoint..."
They are not the only speedsters out there in the future, the word was only new to Barry

somehowpenis:
I neither watch arrows, LOT, nor super girl any longer, but I couldn't help but notice after watching them because of the cross over that captain cold with the ice gun isn't their anymore, what happened to him?

Phi001:

There isn't any particular skill required to time travel.

Phi001:

In fact, I put it to you that the problem isn't the time travel itself but what you do when you time travel.
Case study: Flash season 1 finale.
Barry goes back in time but does not change things, leaving the timeline as it is in the present.

Phi001:

This brings me back to LoT... They're changing the timeline or as Ray Palmer put it, 'creating time aberrations'.

Phi001:

Take a look at season 1, the 'legends' going back in time to kill Savage... If they succeeded, it should have created an alternate timeline but even after they killed Savage, all was still the same in 2016 except a certain historian that noticed a few changes in history books. Should that even be possible? I mean the historian bit.

Phi001:

We don't need to see the original timeline, just them stopping Eobard.
That should be enough to create Legendpoint? I mean everybody's been calling that fantasy world of Arrow's 100th episode Arrowpoint...

Phi001:

Why wouldn't he want to keep the memories of the 2nd timeline?
That's basically his whole life, where his friends are. This timeline had Cisco as a dickish billionaire, Cait as a paediatric ophthalmologist, Joe as a drunk...

Phi001:

The flashpoint wasn't like in the animated movie though. I was hoping they'd have involved Robert Queen since Oliver is basically Green Batman in CW

profstar:

Really, you just made me loose interest in this discussion

profstar:
We know that, which still goes with what I'm saying, look at RF he knows when he should hold someone and time travel and when to put the person in a time machine before time travelling, all based on the skill

profstar:
Bro they were FIXING not CREATING

profstar:
Bro. Are you sure we watching the same movies atall? Abi you're posting from earth 2 which is showing another version of flash and LOT we don't know of.
They succeeded several times in killing Savage
The only reason he was still alive was because of who he is(always comes back from the dead)
The historian part is what didn't go well, may be because he is unique (just as Cisco)

profstar:
Trying to be cunny, if you like call profstarpoint or phi001point it doesn't follow

profstar:
That's the point, you can't eat your cake and have it. Have you forgotten season 1 when flash traveled back in time, then wanted to tell Eobard about what happened in the future, he strongly refused to know
Having 2 full knowledge about timelines is like playing God. After all no one forced him to change time

profstar:
The major interpretational problem this movie is having is some people making comparison between it and its cartoon. Bro, can you just enjoy the movie and forget the children version of it.

Phi001:
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Next2Bezee:


I think what the legends are doing are quite different from Barry's....actions. There seem to be a difference between changing the timeline and changing history. When the legends interact with their past selves like Stein did, the changes to the future seem to only lie with the affected legend. But in Barry's case, the effect spread across time (Basically everything that's existed in that time lines even those that existed before he saved his mom).

Anyways great episodes. Supergirl's was deer, Arrow has too much drama for my taste and that's why i don't watch it & the legends episode of the crossover had less legend involvement than the others had in their episodes.

The dominators weren't that bad either.

yakamata:
Am sorry, but please can anyone explain to me how that Medusa virus isn't killing humans. cos from my understanding human are ALIENS in krypton.

yakamata:
Am sorry, but please can anyone explain to me how that Medusa virus isn't killing humans. cos from my understanding human are ALIENS in krypton.

Lana1:
Cadmus obviously modified the virus to only affect Aliens on Earth.

My own is how did Cadmus know the location of the Fortress and even about Project Medusa??

Lana1:
Cadmus obviously modified the virus to only affect Aliens on Earth.

My own is how did Cadmus know the location of the Fortress and even about Project Medusa??

thenny312:
but on earth Kara nd d rest are d aliens nd dev tweaked d formula sef

gamyy:
u guys sha...lets jst enjoy the show na...
tho sometyms i notice somtins dah dnt add up

anyways.. who will epp me wt few answers
How are we sure Catyln ddnt alredy have powers but twas yet to manifest jst like cisco?

Flash leaves d present to create flashpoint...how come dr was a BARRY fof cisco to beg to travel back in tym for his brothers sake...

sometyms all dx tym travel stuf dy confuse me gaaann...

How s RF stl existing after eddie died (this one stl baffles me alot)

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