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Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by randomperson: 9:59am On Dec 10, 2016 |
Most of us are familiar with the story of Isaac and how he was almost used as sacrifice by his father, Abraham. But there is a story in the bible where God actually accepted a girl as burnt offering... I mean she was killed and burnt- with fire as an offering to god. This is the bible reference: 30 And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, 31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering. Then verse 39 shows the fulfillment of the vow. 39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. The whole story can be found in Judges 11: 30- 40. So how do we explain this act of God. Which kind of God accepts a human being as burnt offering. How is that different from the God of Ogun |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by hopefulLandlord: 10:16am On Dec 10, 2016 |
Yes he did! 2 Likes |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by menxer: 10:19am On Dec 10, 2016 |
Why are you looking for trouble, why can't you allow us wallow in our ignorance that it is only the devil that accepts human sacrifice literary? See confirmation below: |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by MrPresident1: 10:20am On Dec 10, 2016 |
Olodo thread. Next! |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by FSMs: 10:21am On Dec 10, 2016 |
God Did not Accept human Sacrifice rather Yahweh did... |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by menxer: 10:22am On Dec 10, 2016 |
FSMs: What's t difference between God and Yahweh? 1 Like |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by FSMs: 10:28am On Dec 10, 2016 |
menxer:Yahew is a Jewish God... Where God is a general name of deity so when you say You have to be specific Zeus is also God to i don't think he accepted human sacrifice... |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by randomperson: 10:38am On Dec 10, 2016 |
MrPresident1:... |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by menxer: 10:42am On Dec 10, 2016 |
FSMs: Was the OP talking in general terms? Was the OP not specific in referencing the bible? Do you find Zeus worshiped in the bible? Guy man, God is a title and the bearer of the title has a name. The question you should ask, is which God did Jephthah vowed to? But since he is an Israelite it's obvious who he vowed to. |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by FSMs: 10:55am On Dec 10, 2016 |
menxer:Ok Are we not saying the same thing?
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Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by Nobody: 11:00am On Dec 10, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:But you don't believe in Him |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by Nobody: 11:04am On Dec 10, 2016 |
I want to know so christians stop beating around the bush and tell us please. |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:19am On Dec 10, 2016 |
randomperson: How many times will this be discussed .Guy stop rehashing old arguments - its now boring .Its against the rules to open threads which have similar topics with others . The mods close them . Yahweh does not get propitiated with the immolation of humans - this is what made Israel perculiar during the ancient times . And here Yahweh makes it clear that anyone that does that would be punished and he does not accept human sacrifices . Leviticus 20:1-5 Punishment for Child Sacrifice 1 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Say to the people of Israel, Any one of the people of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones. 3 I myself will set my face against that man and will cut him off from among his people, because he has given one of his children to Molech, to make my sanctuary unclean and to profane my holy name. 4 And if the people of the land do at all close their eyes to that man when he gives one of his children to Molech, and do not put him to death, 5 then I will set my face against that man and against his clan and will cut them off from among their people, him and all who follow him in whoring after Molech. Jeremiah 7:31 31 And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into my mind. Jeremiah 32:35 35 They built the high places of Baal in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to offer up their sons and daughters to Molech, though I did not command them, nor did it enter into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin According to my research , Christian scholars say that the fate of Jephthah's daughter was perpetual virginity or solitary confinement . The scholars proved this with the fact that "and" & "or" have been interchanged several times in translation that means Jephthah gave two options That whatever that comes out of the house would be 1. Of the Lord's (if it is a human being) [dedicated to God] OR 2. used as a burnt sacrifice ( if it is an animal ) That explains why the end of the verse said that "she knew no man" that means he chose option 1 since it was a human being - his daughter- knowing fully well that Yahweh abominates human sacrifices . End of story . 5 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by Nobody: 11:32am On Dec 10, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: succinct! optime dixit (Perfectly said). Of course the Atheist mind would still argue and twist the scripture to say that was not what God meant. THREAD CLOSED! NEXT! 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by randomperson: 11:43am On Dec 10, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Lolz... This will be easy... I just need to quote the bible for you. Unless you don't believe the bible sha. Good News Translation: 31 I will burn as an offering the first person that comes out of my house to meet me, when I come back from the victory. I will offer that person to you as a sacrifice.” Amplified 31Then whatever or whoever comes forth from the doors of my house to meet me when I return in peace from the Ammonites, it shall be the Lord's, and I will offer it or him up as a burnt offering. Revised Standard Version 31 then whoever comes forth from the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the LORD's, and I will offer him up for a burnt offering." NIV 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.” All the versions say AND. But because u don't want to admit that God accepted a human as burnt offering u are trying to rewrite the scriptures. If it had said "AND ONE THOUSAND COWS", u would have agreed that it is and. When John 14:6 says " I am the way, the truth AND the life. " u don't argue that it means OR. Assuming without conceding that's it's OR... that means human sacrifice was an option and God didn't say, " No, I don't want human burnt offering " so God acquiesced to the option of human sacrifice. Your hypocrisy is making me feel ashamed on your behalf 5 Likes |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by randomperson: 11:45am On Dec 10, 2016 |
4everGod:Its the atheist that are using the actual words of the bible that are twisting?? Lols, I know u want the thread closed because you are scared. Well, look at my reply to Ebuka and try to counter it... If u can't, don't bother replying |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by Nobody: 11:47am On Dec 10, 2016 |
randomperson: Rehashed questions! Indoctrinated Atheists! Some of us have better things to do with our intelligence. Enjoy! 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by Scholar8200(m): 11:50am On Dec 10, 2016 |
In addition to what was said by Kingebuka and 4everGod, there is NO passage in the WHOLE Bible where God commanded what Jephthah pledged hence, if you claim God 'accepted it'(for what you think it is), prove to us that He did. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by Scholar8200(m): 11:52am On Dec 10, 2016 |
4everGod:verbum sapienti satis est brother! 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:53am On Dec 10, 2016 |
4everGod: Thanks bro . . I see his cavil but of course it is puerile . Scholar8200: Exactly !!! 100 percent . 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by randomperson: 11:58am On Dec 10, 2016 |
4everGod:No... Apparently u don't. U are on another thread right now trying to justify slavery. There's no need for deceit and hypocrisy, it's an online forum. No one will hold u if I don't have an explanation 2 Likes |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by Nobody: 12:02pm On Dec 10, 2016 |
randomperson: Keep looking for one which would support your mischevious erroneous mind. The truth is before you. Research would show you why she was not sacrified. But of course the ATHEIST view must be the right one when it comes to God. Again, Enjoy! |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by hopefulLandlord: 12:02pm On Dec 10, 2016 |
randomperson: I remember a thread months back on this same topic and one Malvisguy212 was running around Trying to woo me with some interpretation, it was hilarious as all I had to do was quote the bible and watch him run around some more this went on till Piggin (a Christian) put the poor guy out of his misery by saying its human sacrifice he then mellowed out of the thread 2 Likes |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by randomperson: 12:05pm On Dec 10, 2016 |
Scholar8200:This is a foolish submission. Did God command every other sacrifice in the bible?? He didn't command it but he didn't reject it either... He should have said no, I don't want a young girl as sacrifice, if only to save the girls life. 1 Like |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by hopefulLandlord: 12:06pm On Dec 10, 2016 |
Scholar8200: 1 he made a vow 2 he was sad when his daughter came out to greet him 3 daughter says he should do to her as he had vowed 4 and he did to her as he vowed Question: what was the vow? that grammar is as clear as day 1 Like |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by Scholar8200(m): 12:10pm On Dec 10, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:I know!But in the light of the topic of the thread, did God command the vow that He made? And was it accepted? |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by Scholar8200(m): 12:10pm On Dec 10, 2016 |
randomperson:ok |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:11pm On Dec 10, 2016 |
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Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by randomperson: 12:12pm On Dec 10, 2016 |
4everGod:Erroneous?? Because I take the bible at its actual words?? I thought that's what Christians do na. Which research plsss... Cos I actually did my research before opening the thread and it was sad and funny seeing all those Christian website trying to explain the burning of a young girl to death... I responded to ebuka's comment, he quietly walked away. I referred you to that same comment but you are not discreet to walk away quietly. U don't know that every response u give without addressing the issue is another failure... 2 Likes |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by hopefulLandlord: 12:19pm On Dec 10, 2016 |
Scholar8200: I'll try my best to be as reasonable and understanding as possible there was no where god commanded the girl to be sacrificed as burnt offering but Jephthah made the vow and carried it out Yahweh had NOTHING to do with this, its all on Jephthah, Yahweh didn't force Jephthah to make the vow unlike the case of Abraham/Ibrahim which Yahweh himself "commanded" one extra biblical addition I like to make is that perhaps Jephthah expected a "servant" or "slave" of his to come out and meet him, he must've fought a lot of wars and his daughter hadn't come out to meet him, this made the vow "easy" for Jephthah to make which eventually backfired about "acceptance", its not stated but we have to realise that while the acceptance/rejection of many sacrifices are stated, not every sacrifice made in the bible was stated to have been accepted or not; there are instances where the sacrifice is just stated to have been carried out only so its safe to assume it was accepted 1 Like |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by randomperson: 12:26pm On Dec 10, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:God bless you... Oops!! I meant Ogun... Well, they are the same person really since they both accept human sacrifice |
Re: Did God Accept A Human Being As Burnt Offering In The Bible? by Scholar8200(m): 12:28pm On Dec 10, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:alright 1 Like |
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