Demmzy15:
^^The article clearly said it's a suicide bomber and I don't support suicide bombers, you're the one making excuses for them.

As I always say, Yasser Al Habib claimed Iran sends Al Qaeda/ISIS bombers to bomb Shia cities so as to take away Iran from the spotlight.

No be talk am, but your brother!

Demmzy15:
Wallahi I'm always intrigued and amazed at your stupidity. You really think we're dummies right? So now Yasser Al Habib is now a terrorist/extremist because he exposes Iran but when you want to prove issue about the Aqeedah of Shias, you quote him, by then he suddenly becomes a Saint?!

You quoted different sources claiming suicide bombers are Saudis, that's not my problem. But the fact remains that all scholars of Ahl Sunnah aka salafiyyah aka wahabiyyah speak and forbid suicide bombings while you Shias as you've clearly done before support them and make excuses for them. Please don't come barking and beating your hairy chest here, your posts speak for itself.

As for question above, Yasser Al Habib gave us an answer, please endeavor to watch the video.

Please what's the name of the Jordan Salafi Group and who heads it, lemme burst your bubble!

Demmzy15:
Look here Mr. Man, I'm not in the mood for long arguments, when one looks at it, it's the same thing you've been repeating every single I encounter you. From beginning to end is just your normal Shia persecution rubbish, Matam, tatbir, kaza kaza kaza

I asked for the name of the group, you say it's "groups". Please my Arabic is weak, I'm still learning but can you provide the name of the group or better still a prominent head of that group!

ShiaMuslim:
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it says "majmoo'ah". that is literally translated as "groups" or what can be rightly translated as "body of salafiyyah" in jordan. it is not my problem and not my job to be your translator. you should ask Yasser al-Habib to substantiate his claim that you are parroting like a fool.

i am not even arguing with you. do we even sound like on the same level of intelligence? you dont know your mate. silly.

See this man o, so you don dey vex because your deception ain't working. Lol! The truth and fact is that, I'm way younger than you, in fact I'm very young but you're immature. You allow emotions to cloud your reasoning, you don't take simple explanations, one has to explain severally before you take heed. After a few days or week, you still come back with the same rubbish.

Nevertheless, I asked for the name of the group. A group is more than one, so therefore you don't need to say "group". So Mr. ShiaMuslim, if they don't have a name, can you provide a credible/prominent scholar from amongst them!

Demmzy15:


Nevertheless, I asked for the name of the group. A group is more than one, so therefore you don't need to say "group". So Mr. ShiaMuslim, if they don't have a name, can you provide a credible/prominent scholar from amongst them!

ShiaMuslim:


"A group is more than one"... You must have been drunk with camel p i s s from Saudi Arabia while typing that.

Demmzy15:

ShiaMuslim:
Saudi Wahhabi cleric, Sheikh Saleh al-Tarifi defending "suicide bombing"/"martyrdom operations" on TV


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWydRo9rDp4

Demmzy15:
^^^ShiaMuslim leave me na, don't you have better things to do with your life? Anyways lemme give you a benefit of doubt, I'll present the salafi/Wahabi senior scholars position on suicide bombings and terrorism.

1. Sheikh Muhammad Saleh Ibn Uthaymeen(rah):

Question: What is the ruling regarding acts of jihaad by means of suicide, such as attaching explosives to a car and storming the enemy, whereby he knows without a doubt that he shall die as a result of this action?

Response: Indeed, my opinion is that he is regarded as one who has killed himself (committed suicide), and as a result he shall be punished in Hell, for that which is authenticated on the authority of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam).

[((Indeed, whoever (intentionally) kills himself, then certainly he will be punished in the Fire of Hell, wherein he shall dwell forever)), [Bukhaaree (5778) and Muslim (109 and 110)]].

However, one who is ignorant and does not know, and assumes his action was good and pleasing to Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala), then we hope Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) forgives him for that which he did out of (ignorant) ijtihaad, even though I do not find any excuse for him in the present day. This is because this type of suicide is well known and widespread amongst the people, so it is upon the person to ask the people of knowledge (scholars) regarding it, until the right guidance for him is differentiated from the error.

And from that which is surprising, is that these people kill themselves despite Allaah having fordbidden this, as He (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) says:

{And do not kill yourselves. Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you}, [Soorah an-Nisaa., Aayah 29].

And many amongst them do not desire anything except revenge of the enemy, by whatever means, be it halaal or haraam. So they only want to satisfy their thirst for revenge.

We ask Allaah to bless us with foresight in His Deen and action(s) which please Him, indeed He is all Powerful over all things.

Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymeen
Kayfa Nu'aalij Waaqi'unaa al-Aleem - Page 119

2. Shaykh AbdusSallaam as-Suhaymee said:

‘Indeed the issue of speaking about Suicide missions, is that whether the person who is fought against, is he actually from the combatants, and that Jihad in reality is facing the Kuffar in a battle.

Suicide Missions have become a modern day fashion, and many people are sympathetic with the one who carries it out by looking at the goal behind these missions. The sympathetic person finds it sufficient from these missions that the intent of executing these missions is to raise the statement of Tawheed, and to aid Islaam and humble theKuffar as they claim.

However, what is the Sharia’ ruling regarding these Suicide Missions?

[The Ends Do not Justify the Means]

Indeed it is known from the Sharia’ that a good intention on its own is not sufficient to allow an action to be permissible according to the Sharia’. These people, who carry out Suicide Missions, propel themselves by saying that the means to the end take the same rulings of the intended goals, so if the goal is legislated in the Sharia’ then its means are also legislated in the Sharia’. However this is not acceptable, because the ends do not justify the means absolutely, rather it is obligatory that the means also have to be legislated in the Sharia’ to fulfill the goals in the Sharia’. As for, if the means are not legislated in the Sharia’ then it is not sufficient for the goal to be legislated. The principle for this is mentioned in Bukhari and Muslim from the saying of the Messenger–sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam-: ( من عمل عملا ليس عليه أمرنا فهو رد )

‘Whoever does an action which we have not commanded then it is rejected.’

So every action which is not in accordance with the command of Allaah or His Messenger then it is rejected (Allaah does not accept it) from the one who does it, no matter how good his intention was.

Now that this point has been established, then indeed the well regarded scholars of today hold the view that these acts of suicide are not permissible, and from these scholars are: the respected Shaykh AbdulAzeez bin Baz -Rahimullaah-, and the noble Shaykh Muhammad bin Salih al-Uthaymeen, the respected Shaykh AbdulAzeez bin Abdullaah Alaa-Shaykh, the noble Shaykh Salih bin Fawzan al-Fawzan, and Shaykh AbdulAzeez ar-Rajihi, and Shaykh AbdulMuhsin al-Ubaykan and others.

The Sharia’ proofs from the Book and the Sunnah and the intellect, show that these operations are Haram according to the Sharia’.

From the Book of Allaah:

1- The saying of Allaah Ta’ala:

<< إِنْ يَمْسَسْكُمْ قَرْحٌ فَقَدْ مَسَّ الْقَوْمَ قَرْحٌ مِثْلُهُ وَتِلْكَ الْأَيَّامُ نُدَاوِلُهَا بَيْنَ النَّاسِ وَلِيَعْلَمَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَيَتَّخِذَ مِنْكُمْ شُهَدَاءَ وَاللَّهُ لَا يُحِبُّ الظَّالِمِينَ >>

<< If a wound (and killing) has touched you, be sure a similar wound (and killing) has touched the others. And so are the days (good and not so good), We give to men by turns, that Allaah may test those who believe, and that He may take martyrs from among you. And Allaah likes not the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong­doers).>>[Ala-Imraan: 140]

The proof being: that this Ayaah contains the evidence for a principle, which is, that seeking martyrdom in the path of Allaah is a selection made by Allaah and the choice of Allaah Subhanahu, and it is not for everyone who wants to be a martyr. The view that it is permissible to carry out suicide missions to kill the enemy nullifies this principle. The proof for this point in this Ayaah is the saying of Allaah Subhanahu: << آمَنُوا وَيَتَّخِذَ مِنْكُمْ شُهَدَاءَ >> <<and that He may take martyrs from among you>>

So Allaah is the One who chooses who is martyred in His Way. As for the one who commits suicide to kill the enemy then he is not a martyr, because he himself has appointed the time in which to die, and this in the Sharia’ is defined as suicide.

2- The saying of Allaah Ta’ala:

اتِلُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَيَقْتُلُونَ وَيُقْتَلُونَ >>

<<Verily, Allaah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be Paradise. They fight in Allaah’s Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. >> [Tawbah:111]

3- The saying of Allaah Ta’ala:

<< وَمَنْ يُقَاتِلْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَيُقْتَلْ أَوْ يَغْلِبْ فَسَوْفَ نُؤْتِيهِ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا >><<and whoso fights in the Cause of Allaah, and is killed or gets victory, We shall bestow on him a great reward.>> [Nisa:74]

The proof being from these two Ayaat: that the one who kills himself with explosives or in other ways wanting to kill the enemy then it is not correct to label him as a martyr;because the martyr is the one who is killed by the enemy. In the first Ayaahthose that have been promised Paradise are two types:

The combatant and the one killed by the enemy. And in the second Ayaah: the one promised with great reward is the one who is killed by the enemy or the one who is victorious, however whoever kills himself with explosives does not enter under the meaning of these two Ayaat.

4- The saying of Allaah Ta’ala:

<< وَلَا تَقْتُلُوا أَنْفُسَكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ بِكُمْ رَحِيمًا () وَمَنْ يَفْعَلْ ذَلِكَ عُدْوَانًا وَظُلْمًا فَسَوْفَ نُصْلِيهِ نَارًا وَكَانَ ذَلِكَ عَلَى اللَّهِ يَسِيرًا >>

<<And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you. And whoever commits that through aggression and injustice, We shall cast him into the Fire, and that is easy for Allaah.>> [Nisa:29-30]

The proof being: This Ayaah generally includes a person committing suicide, and these type of suicide operations include killing the innocent, from women, old people and children, and there is no doubt that this is from transgression and oppression, and the one who carries out a suicide mission is deserving of this severe warning and it applies to him.

From the Sunnah:

1- From Abu Huraira –radiAllaah anhu- who said: That the Messenger of Allaah –sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam– said:

من قتل نفسه بحديدة فحديدته في يده يتوجأ بها في بطنه في نار جهنم خالدا مخلدا فيها أبدا و من شرب سما فقتل نفسه فهو يتحساه في نار جهنم خالدا مخلدا فيها أبدا و من تردى من جبل فقتل نفسه فهو يتردى في نار جهنم خالدا مخلدا فيها أبدا

‘Whoever kills himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his hand and stabbing his abdomen with it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever. and whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever. and whoever jumps off a mountain and kills himself, he will be jumping off into the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever.’

[Collected by Bukhari & Muslim]

2- From Thaabit bin Dhihak that the Messenger of Allaah –sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam–said:

من قتل نفسه بشيء عذب به يوم القيامة

‘Whoever kills himself with something then he will be punished with that thing on the day of Judgement.’

[Collected by Bukhari & Muslim]

3- From Abu Huraira –radiAllaah anhu- who said: That the Prophet –sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam– said:

الذي يخنق نفسه يخنقها في النار و الذي يطعنها يطعنها في النار

‘Whoever strangles himself then he will strangle himself in the Hell-Fire, and whoever stabs himself then he will stab himself in the Hell-Fire.’

[Collected by Bukhari]

The proof being from these Ahadeeth:

That these Ahadeeth generally show that it is prohibited for a person to kill himself no matter what the reasons are, and this includes everyone that kills himself with whichever means used.

From the Intellect:

1- That these operations indeed bring a backlash with a greater evil consequence upon Islaam and the Muslims, whether that is in Palestine or in any other place. These operations in reality show contempt and scorn of the blood of the Muslims, and sacrifices for these operations are with no benefit worth mentioning.

2- That these operations actually fulfill the aims of the enemies of Islaam in an indirect way, by giving the enemies of Islaam the excuse by which they have fulfilled their aims in the easiest way, along with the clear weakness of the Muslims in defending themselves.

3- That these suicide missions which are aimed at other than those who are combatants from women, children and old people are a deterrent against the Deen of Allaah, because of the oppression of these suicide missions and their harshness, cheating, treachery, lying and all of these are contradictory to the Sharia’ of Islaam, all of them are contradictory and the explanation of that is from the following points:

First point: that the Deen of Islaam is the Deen of justice even in dealing with the enemy, so their oppression against the Muslims does not in turn justify oppressing them.

Allaah Ta’ala said:

<< وَلَا يَجْرِمَنَّكُمْ شَنَآنُ قَوْمٍ أَنْ صَدُّوكُمْ عَنِ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ أَنْ تَعْتَدُوا وَتَعَاوَنُوا عَلَى الْبِرِّ وَالتَّقْوَى وَلَا تَعَاوَنُوا عَلَى الْإِثْمِ وَالْعُدْوَانِ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ >>

<< and let not the hatred of some people in (once) stopping you from Al-­Masjid­ al-­Haraam (in Makkah) lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help one another in Al-­Birr and At-­Taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but do not help one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is Severe in punishment.>> [Maidah:2]

Allaah Ta’ala said:

<< يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا كُونُوا قَوَّامِينَ لِلَّهِ شُهَدَاءَ بِالْقِسْطِ وَلَا يَجْرِمَنَّكُمْ شَنَآنُ قَوْمٍ عَلَى أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا اعْدِلُوا هُوَ أَقْرَبُ لِلتَّقْوَى وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ خَبِيرٌ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ >>

<<O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allaah and be just witnesses and let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety, and fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is Well­Acquainted with what you do.>> [Maidah:8]

It is mentioned in the Hadeeth Qudsi that Allaah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala said:

‘O My worshippers, I have forbidden oppression for Myself and have made it forbidden amongst you, so do not oppress one another.’ [Collected by Muslim.]

There is no doubt that aiming for innocent people and killing them due to the crime of someone else is from the severest of Dhulm (oppression).

Second point: that the Deen of Islaam is the Deen of mercy and doing goodness, and this is not just to human beings alone, but even to animals, and these suicide missions are in contradiction to mercy.

Third point: That the Deen of Islaam is a Deen of courage and sacrifice, and it is not courage to hide behind treachery and deception. Indeed Allaah ordered us at the inception of fighting a people, between whom we have a contract with or at the time we fear from them an action, Allaah ordered us to give them an announcement of war before launching war against them. Allaah – Subhanahu – said: << وَإِمَّا تَخَافَنَّ مِنْ قَوْمٍ خِيَانَةً فَانْبِذْ إِلَيْهِمْ عَلَى سَوَاءٍ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْخَائِنِينَ >>

<<If you fear treachery from any people throw back (their covenant) to them (so as to be) on equal terms (that there will be no more covenant between you and them). Certainly Allaah likes not the treacherous.>> [Anfal:58]

Allaah obligated upon us that even in war with them that we do not kill except those who fight us from amongst their men. And these people who carryout suicide missions commit a great crime against Islaam and the Muslims, so they ascribed Islaam to oppression, treachery and cheating. Islaam is not aided with oppression nor with cheating.

What becomes clear from what has preceded, from the clear, authentic evidence that suicide operations are not allowed, which some have entitled: ‘martyr missions’ and that those who hold it to be permissible do not have any clear authentic proof what so ever, and what they use as proof for its permissibility is either a proof which is not authentic or it does not indicate to what they claim, and no one rejects this point except an ignorant person or someone who follows his desires.

And Allaah Knows Best.

[Taken From: ‘Jihad fee Islaam’ by Shaykh AbdusSallaam as-Suhaymee p.112 ]

All Praise belongs to Allaah, may His peace and blessings be upon our final Prophet Muhammad, his family, his Companions and all those who follow his guidance.

ShiaMuslim:


i will not leave you at all because you people lie and deceive. the above has nothing to do with my question. talk about the man in the video.

so now it is no longer a blanket claim that Wahhabi/Salafist clerics oppose "suicide bombing". there is now an adjective. it is "senior" ones that oppose. how do you know the one in video is a "junior" one?

Qaradawi is the topmost Salafist cleric and he supported it and only backed out due to Turkish pressure with an after thought fatwa claiming the Palestinians no longer need the tactic because they NOW have enough weapons to fight occupation and defend themselves. in other words, his fatwas are conditional.

please do not abuse the words of the Prophet (s). do not use hadiths to back up fatwas of your clerics. the hadiths are about individual suicide, and not combat related.

lexiconkabir:
When did Qaradawi became salafi? , Shi'as can lie oo, in fact the word "Shi'a" can be replaced by lie, e g..

I "shia-ed" to him when the pressure became much..

You're shocked too ba?

The guy thinks he can just "shia" his way about, he thinks we're dummies.

Al Imam Fakhr al Din Al Razi said: "An ant from the valley of ants possess more Intellect than a Rafidhi"

So sad!

lexiconkabir:
When did Qaradawi became salafi? , Shi'as can lie oo, in fact the word "Shi'a" can be replaced by lie, e g..

I "shia-ed" to him when the pressure became much..

Demmzy15:
You're shocked too ba?

The guy thinks he can just "shia" his way about, he thinks we're dummies.

Al Imam Fakhr al Din Al Razi said: "An ant from the valley of ants possess more Intellect than a Rafidhi"

So sad!

Demmzy15:
I don enter wahala today o when did zakir naik become a salafee?! Yusuf Qaradawi, Salman Audah, Safar Hawali aren't salafees. You actually think any Sunni Muslim from Saudi Arabia is automatically a salafee, this was why scholars say "ants possess more intellect than a rafidhi".

Salman, Safar and Ibn Ladin were warned against by Sheikh Ibn Baz and Sheikh Muqbil as far back as in the 1990s when they were inciting youths to revolution and terrorism, it's a popular recording.

Seriously, I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over again, it's surprising that it's a Shia that knows who salafee is and who's not. You just like branding individual that flies into your coconut head as a salafee. I know one day, you brand ibrahim inyass a salafee. Imagine you saying "salafee cleric" of "ikwaan ul muslimeen" Isn't that a contradiction? We'll I don't blame you because you're devoid of sense!

Demmzy15:
Zakir Naik is not a salafi, he never claimed to be one. Lemme give you a transcript of one of his lectures:

Once, in Riyadh, I went to meet Shaikh Ibn Baz (rahimahullah) when he was alive, I had gone to meet him. I went without appointment, his secretary asked me, who are you? I said, “I am a muslim”. “Which muslim are you? Which muslim are you?” I said, “Muslim.” “What is your Aqeedah?” I said, “Allah and Messenger.” “You question me , I will answer you.” If you want to question, then do it with me. He wished that I should say… In Saudi Arabia, there are no Ahle Hadees. In Saudi Arabia there are Salafi. Few people know Ahle Hadees. There if you say Ahle Hadees, they won’t recognize you. In Saudi Arabia there are Salafi. Because I did not say that I am a salafi, he did not permit me to meet him…
Lecture with the Jahmiyyah Ahl Hadees

As for your dumb assertions, I'm done repeating myself. Belief whatever you want, it's not my business. My final note is Ahl Sunnah Wa Ja'amah aka Salafis aka Wahabis are united in their opposition against extremism and terrorism. They don't make excuses for suicide bombers!

Zhulfiqar1:
this thread's title should be changed to: Salafists AKA Wahhabis Commit Suicide on Nairaland

please Seun and his mod should do the needful.

lexiconkabir:


why are you feeling happy with the nonsensical post you posted with your other accounts? anyone with a bit of sense will see through your idiocy in all your posts, trying hard to prove that "wahhabis" support suicide bombings, the people you brought, Yousuf qaradawi and zakir naik that supported suicide bombings arenr salafis and they never claimed to be one, you tried so hard to proof that qaradawi is salafi, to the extent that you used this statement "al-Qaradawi has been embraced by some Salafis," as a proof that qaradawi is a Salafi, how weak could a proof get? who are these "salafis" that embraced him, we don't know.

yoy also used a contradictory statement as this "The top-most contemporary Salafist cleric and the ideological icon of the Ikhwan al-Muslimin", for Allaah's sake how can salafi and ikhwanul muslimin be found in the same statement? the same ikhwanul muslimin which salafis for long has condemned for many errors that they have? you seriously have no shame, atleast even if you are collecting money from Iran to propagate lies, you should propagate it smartly, not with idiocy.

ONE OF THE WAY TO KNOW SALAFIS, is, they don't advocate suicide bombing, because the salafs was stern against commiting suicide, shias on the otherhand do not have problem with it, as it is evident even here on NL, because you in particular justifies suicide bombing, you have many posts here on NL with your alternate accounts where you justify suicide bombing, even if you try to deny, the mufti of syria clearly stated that they have suicide bombers in europe wwaiting to strike, implying suicide bombing is halal to you shia.

we don't need to sweat in order to prove that he is shia, like you are trying to do here with some deviants that called to suicide bombing, it is cclear that the mufti of suriyyah is shia.

pfft.

Zhulfiqar1:


forget about yeye Salafi/Wahhabi.

Zakir Naik, Qaradawi, Hawali, Oudah...are they Sunni or not? they are Sunni, not Shia.

so who cares about 1% of Muslims calling themselves Salafi/Wahhabi?

the fact remains that you have no central doctrine than Takfirism and Takfiri killings to identify a Salafi.

ShiaMuslim:
Saudi Wahhabi cleric, Sheikh Abdul-Aziz al-Tarifi defending "suicide bombing"/"martyrdom operations" on TV


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWydRo9rDp4

lexiconkabir:


are you changing the goal post? thought you were saying its 'wahhabis", well it has been proven that "wahhabi" ulama whom you tried to slander, have condemed suicide bombing explicitly, here is a question, DID ANY OF THE SHIA ULAMA CONDEMN SUICIDE BOMBING? if the above mentioned individuals are sunnis how does that affect "wahhabis"? and hpw does it change the fact that [size=13pt]YOU IN PARTICULAR HAVE JUSTIFIED SUICIDE BOMBING HERE ON NL TIMES WITHOUT NUMBER [/b]



actually salafis have a central doctrine such that if you differ in even one, you can't be considered a salafi, support of suicide bombing is one of the things salafis speak against.