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Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 9:34pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
sapiosexual1: What is unique about Spoelstra? Will you genuinely say he gets the best out of his players? |
Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 9:38pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
SIRcumalot: I give Pop his own credit for his consistency over the years with 5 rings to show for it. He has managed to make the franchise stay relevant over the years and it is greatly commendable. Pop has made use of many HOFers to achieve his visions but for some reason (like you pointed out) people give him his full credit and not Kerr. Kerr is doing the exact thing: in the last 3 years, GSW has been an elite team in the NBA and the only common factor has been Kerr. After all, Draymond, Lee, Curry and Klay were on Mark Jacksons team and they were not elite- not yet. |
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 9:41pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
sapiosexual1:spoelstra with whiteside and dragic should be challenging for the 6th - 8th position in the eastern conference to me, but then again, last season, he at least proved himself to be up there, but not number two for me. |
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 9:45pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
Eruditor:Golden state was elite with Mark Jackson, I think it is unfair to mark Jackson to say that. He like Kerr I believe could have won more given the chances, Although, maybe not a ring, but somewhat close. This Golden State team almost ran out spurs out of the gym in the playoffs four years ago after beating George Karl team. Though Kerr did made the team what it is today, I believe Jackson would have done the same thing. |
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 9:46pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
Eruditor:nothing unique about spoelstra lol |
Re: The NBA Begins by chic2pimp(m): 9:57pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
Looool@Kerr made Curry a 2 time mvp looool . |
Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 10:27pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
Donlittle: Mark tried but I think he lost his dressing room and he could not take them to the level they are at now. |
Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 10:28pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
chic2pimp: Sorry it was Greg Popovich that made him. |
Re: The NBA Begins by chic2pimp(m): 10:58pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
Eruditor: No one made Curry. He made himself. |
Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 11:11pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
chic2pimp: If he keeps passing up shots an averaging 14ppg will he be MVP? If he keeps throwing behind the back passes that don't hit the target? What about if he did not have the freedom to launch some of his long distance threes? What if he was not the primary scorer for the team (like he isn't this season)? I see your point however you have to factor in that some coach gave him the freedom that his talent deserved. |
Re: The NBA Begins by chic2pimp(m): 11:51pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
Eruditor: Those are all "Ifs" and "'buts" scenarios. You simply don't make someone with the talent of a Steph Curry(once in a lifetime calibre talent). What He has done however is help him harness his strengths |
Re: The NBA Begins by lolawilliams(f): 11:11am On Jan 09, 2017 |
Sixers last season: 10-72
Sixers this season :10-25 Na Embiid or who |
Re: The NBA Begins by Decale: 2:37pm On Jan 09, 2017 |
Eruditor: Curry already averaged 22ppg and 24ppg with 8.5apg before Kerr came on board. Curry already broke 3pts record before Kerr came on board Curry was an All Star and was in All NBA second team before Kerr came on board. The Warriors already had potential which Kerr took advantage of. Curry is his hard work not Kerr's 1 Like |
Re: The NBA Begins by Decale: 2:42pm On Jan 09, 2017 |
sapiosexual1: With due respect, the East is more competitive than the West. Think of it as the premier league The West is the la liga. One conference has more quality, the other unpredictable. |
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 3:23pm On Jan 09, 2017 |
Decale:What is unpredictable about the East? |
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 3:38pm On Jan 09, 2017 |
Jackson lacked the X and O's and offensive chops to take the Warriors from good to great. That I think is or was his issue. He laid the foundation for the Warriors though. Make no mistake about that. The culture and expectation of winning was Jackson. What Kerr did do was help the team reach its potential offensively. I don't think that is debatable. Is he 2nd after Pop? I am not sure. I haven't seen enough to make that conclusion. And he has openly said he can't coach a terrible team so it is quite clear he is always going to need stars to function |
Re: The NBA Begins by Decale: 4:19pm On Jan 09, 2017 |
A40: Teams from 3 - 15 are. The games aren't linear. Upsets are more prevalent in the conference. The last playoff spot is always a battle between 4 or 5 teams with .50 records or more. And every single season, they have too many team changes for the playoffs. Today, it's the Bulls qualifying. Next season, they're 10th while Nets, Pistons or Wizards rise. The West just remains fairly constant. Major changes no go pass 1/2 teams or the standings. |
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 4:33pm On Jan 09, 2017 |
Eruditor:yeah maybe you aren't looking closely enough, but uhh the thing is how do I place Kerr at number 2 after that woeful performance against Cleveland last year? Some of his rotations were quite bizarre. Perhaps, he is still young to this coaching of a thing. No doubt if he wins this year, he would be in my top 5 |
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 5:37pm On Jan 09, 2017 |
Decale: Say what? Besides the Heat which other playoff team from last season can you categorically say is out of contention in the East? From the West just look at the likes of the Jazz and Rockets and see the kind of improvements they made with a few lowkey additions. Look at Dallas on the other hand languishing at the bottom You talk about upsets. When was the last time an #8 seed beat a #1 seed in the East. Its happened twice in the West between 2007-2016. You think Lebron would smell 6 straight Finals in the West? Even now you are not 100% sure the Warriors would get to the Finals but we know even without Kyrie and Love the Cavs don enter Finals |
Re: The NBA Begins by Decale: 7:20pm On Jan 09, 2017 |
A40: You are mixing quality and competition. How many teams in the West compete for playoff spots every season? Usually 9, sometimes the 8 teams have been decided. In the East, it's different; right now, from 5th to 11 is being separated by 2.5 games. The 8th position is a battlefield. The quality of a conference just puts the top teams against each other. We already know they're top 7 or top 8. The competition just sets everything crazily different. The 5th placed Pacers may drop to 9th with 4 straight losses. Cavs and Raptors make that conference seem one ticket but other teams bring the energy. Saying Warriors not sure of making the finals has to do with the other teams quality. Now ask yourself this OKC is 100% sure of playoffs even in 7th but can you say the same for Bulls in same 7th? |
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 8:34pm On Jan 09, 2017 |
Decale:about three years ago it was almost 11, phoenix, jazz lost out by about one game or two games, Dallas won I believe 50 games that year, competition, quality, Western Conference has it |
Re: The NBA Begins by Manutd19: 7:15am On Jan 10, 2017 |
There's absolutely nothing in the east. NOTHING. |
Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 11:07am On Jan 10, 2017 |
Decale: The same argument can be made of any great (Jordan, Kobe etc.) but I am sleep. I do however cannot guarantee at this juncture that Curry was an All star before Kerr but even if he was, I guess Curry would have been Rookie of the year had Kerr coached him in 09 as against finishing second. |
Re: The NBA Begins by Eruditor: 11:09am On Jan 10, 2017 |
Donlittle: Mehn, I was equally disappointed at the capitulation but it will be lazy to place everything on the coach. Pop also capitulated against a Miami team in 2013 but his response in 2014 was the highlight of the whole seeming debacle and eventual success. |
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 10:24pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Decale:If Butler and Wade are healthy the Bulls would make the playoffs The Kings are in 8th place in the West. Can you categorically say they would make the playoffs |
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 10:39pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Eruditor:Baba capitulation get levels oh. You no fit compare that Spurs own at all. The Spurs had 2 road games leading 3-2. The Warriors led 3-1 with 2 home games to play. And the Spurs were a much older team |
Re: The NBA Begins by nairamaniac: 10:51pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Eruditor:Totally agree. When I saw all the innovations Steve instantly brought to warriors. My memory instantly went to what Guadiola brought to Barca. What Steve did to Curry is identical to what pep did to messi. Efficiency meeting entertainment, Precision meeting quickness. Usually, it should take a team like 20 to 24 seconds to execute the kind of offence golden state executes. But it takes them like 10 to 15 seconds at times. This should be the most mobile team iv ever seen. Or one-of. Against Warriors you just can't tell which player is coming off screens to take the shot. I think he's a genius. Even if pop is 1st, I don't think he's that far ahead of Steve. We respect pop due to logivity and having the longest playoffs-streak. But can we call pop an innovator like Phil Jackson, or Steve or d'antonini? One thing I had against pop was using several seasons to win a particular championship. Pop could rebuild the spurs for years towards winning one title. Then stay average/competitive for years, then resurface again to compete for the title. Kerr's style and innovations to the game would always keep his team as title contenders more consistently than pop did for spurs. 1 Like |
Re: The NBA Begins by nairamaniac: 11:26pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Decale: Curry had potentials and good stat line before Kerr came on board. But Kerr made him a weapon on mass destruction. That's the difference. Do you really notice the spacing curry's presence makes available in golden states offence. Opponents have to marking him like 2 to 3 feet away from the arc. Such science is unheard of in basket ball. And usually, most times a player is useful that early in an offence or that far off from the basket, what happens is that he is not directly involved in the made point. At most situations, he is involved in the pass that led to the assist that led to the points. But being that far away and directly involved in ending the offence is very difficult. It shows the player has covered a lot of space and usage. Ending in points shows your usage-rate is at par with your efficiency. I'm not a fan of golden states. But iv hardly seen better ball movement in my life. |
Re: The NBA Begins by nairamaniac: 11:27pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Decale: Curry had potentials and good stat line before Kerr came on board. But Kerr made him a weapon on mass destruction. That's the difference. Do you really notice the spacing curry's presence makes available in golden states offence. Opponents have to marking him like 2 to 3 feet away from the arc. Such science is unheard of in basket ball. And usually, most times a player is useful that early in an offence or that far off from the basket, what happens is that he is not directly involved in the made point. At most situations, he is involved in the pass that led to the assist that led to the points. But being that far away and directly involved in ending the offence is very difficult. It shows the player has covered a lot of space and usage. Ending in points shows your usage-rate is at par with your efficiency. I'm not a fan of golden states. But iv hardly seen better ball movement in my life. Kerr brought this on board. |
Re: The NBA Begins by nairamaniac: 11:27pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Decale: Curry had potentials and good stat line before Kerr came on board. But Kerr made him a weapon on mass destruction. That's the difference. Do you really notice the spacing curry's presence makes available in golden states offence. Opponents have to marking him like 2 to 3 feet away from the arc. Such science is unheard of in basket ball. And usually, most times a player is useful that early in an offence or that far off from the basket, what happens is that he is not directly involved in the made point. At most situations, he is involved in the pass that led to the assist that led to the points. But being that far away and directly involved in ending the offence is very difficult. It shows the player has covered a lot of space and usage. Ending in points shows your usage-rate is at par with your efficiency. I'm not a fan of golden states. But iv hardly seen better ball movement in my life. Kerr brought this to on board. |
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 12:15am On Jan 11, 2017 |
nairamaniac:Shuuuu. Ogini na fio? Chale are you serious ni or is this just bants? Even the Kerr una dey praise was under whose tutelage? Do you know how many head coaches Pop has influenced? Even Phil Jackson does not come close. You need to follow the evolution of the Spurs from bruising gritty and grimy days of the Twin Towers, where they would just pound teams to oblivion to the days of Tony Parker, Ginobili where they played with finesse and continental flair. To the 2014 Final where they produced the most dominant display in history against 3 HOFers Pop is the Innovator. Oludasile. And the reason International players are thriving in the league. Even this Golden State ball movement pattern na him start am He won 4 titles from 99-2007. Has never missed the playoffs or done less than 50 wins in a full season. Without ever having the absolute best player in the league. Which dominance pass that one |
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 12:19am On Jan 11, 2017 |
If you claim Pop is better than Phil sef I might disagree but I no go argue with you. Its an insult on Pop's personality to dey compare am with Steve Kerr. Sir Popovich na him dem suppose to call am abeg. Let's give credit where its due |
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