Redbonesmith1:


Illah. Delta State. My people claim dual origin - Igbo and Igala. You can call me Igbo, i really don't mind.

A N I O M A !
I have many anioma friends.
Truly i heard Illah people have igala origin.
Why is it that most of your people say u are not Igbos when your names appear very igbo-ish?

blues20:

I just modified my response to you.... can you throw more light on the founding of Onitsha and Asaba by the Binis and Igala. Please, use historical records, not tales by moonlight.

Could be that Oluadah is Igbo from the Western part of the Niger with knowledge on the Inri culture.

Im sure you already know that your assumption of him being from eing from the Anioma with knowledge of Nri customs doesn't hold water. I'm sure you already know about the confusion surrounding his origin and you went ahead to bring it up here to win argument. Sometimes, I wonder if you people already know the point you're making is not accurate and still go ahead to make it in order to make a false impression and deceive the ignorant.

Some people say he was kidnapped at 7, some say 11, but all the same, he was too young to know much about his people not to talk about know alien customs. Some things in his book are too confusing to historians that's why they find it hard to pin point the exact place he came from.

And what exactly do you mean by tales by moonlight? And what exactly do you mean stories that are told to deceive ourselves? So to you, our oral tradition and history handed over to us by our ancestors are tales by moonlight? And it's the Igbos that only knew their history when the British brought Christianity to Nigeria that know their correct and accurate history?

I'm not going to dwell on Onitsha and Asaba history. I'm sure you already know Onitsha indigenes claim Edo origin, but in case you don't know before, Asaba is of Igala origin. The founder of Asaba, Nnebisi was an Igala man with an Igbo mother. Asaba still practice some Igala culture till date.

hammerF:


The people that should be more concerned are those left behind. Everything they fear would happen to dem.

Igbo was once like them, very trusting and we paid the price heavily, now we are wiser.

U urself said the middle belt is chaos of many small groups that are not united. We want to avoid that.

The yorubas, we would have loved to share country with, if for nothing, at least our properties in Lagos.

But experience have taught us that is a bad idea, we will sacrifice Lagos for the stability we will gain in the long run.

Mind u, there are also negotiation to bring in Southwest Cameroon into Biafra, they also want to leave Cameroon.

There will be more than enough groups to balance Igbo population. We will have written agreement in our constitution on power rotation and also laws to protect minority languages. Unless u have other group in middlebelt u cannot do without. (Ebira are welcomed but they should ask.)

I dont know wat u lot are scared of, becos our intentions are good, not bad.

Southern Cameroons, yes they were once part of Eastern Nigeria, they chose to remain in Cameroon while Adamawa chose to join Nigeria. I think that idea may never work. I have never heard any southern cameroons claiming to want to rejoin Nigeria or Biafra. I know they are being opressed in Cameroon for being english speaking but their agitations are hardly heard of.

I think u should speak for yourself o.
A lot of igbo elites will never be able to leave Lagos. Igbo wealth there is too much, that is why u hardly see these elites agitate for Biafra. Abuja is becoming another interesting place for igbos, there properties there are growing in the millions every day.

If there is any middlebelt group that will join u igbos, it certainly cannot be Ebira. Have u ever been to Okene? Islam has so much affected ebiras to the extent that many ebira muslims are fanatics and extremist, almost like hausa-fulanis and these people do not like u igbos.

What if at the end of the day, all the minority groups refuse to go with Biafra including Anioma and Rivers igboid groups? Will u guys go with the only 5 South-eastern states and form a landlocked extreme densely populated republic?

ianSweet:


Southern Cameroons, yes they were once part of Eastern Nigeria, they chose to remain in Cameroon while Adamawa chose to join Nigeria. I think that idea may never work. I have never heard any southern cameroons claiming to want to rejoin Nigeria or Biafra. I know they are being opressed in Cameroon for being english speaking but their agitations are hardly heard of.

I think u should speak for yourself o.
A lot of igbo elites will never be able to leave Lagos. Igbo wealth there is too much, that is why u hardly see these elites agitate for Biafra. Abuja is becoming another interesting place for igbos, there properties there are growing in the millions every day.

If there is any middlebelt group that will join u igbos, it certainly cannot be Ebira. Have u ever been to Okene? Islam has so much affected ebiras to the extent that many ebira muslims are fanatics and extremist, almost like hausa-fulanis and these people do not like u igbos.

What if at the end of the day, all the minority groups refuse to go with Biafra including Anioma and Rivers igboid groups? Will u guys go with the only 5 South-eastern states and form a landlocked extreme densely populated republic?

That is just it people dont like Igbos but cannot say one thing that igbos have done to them but u lot love the HausaFulani.

As for southern Cameroon, see the article below.

Nobody can hold us hostage, if u lot feel happy in Nigeria den u can continue with Nigeria, we will definately leave without all of u if that is ur choice.

For ur information, Igbos are not landlocked, ever heard of Opobo Island in Rivers? That is Igboland. It is almost certain that if we exit, AkwCross will automatically go with us.

Those guys are the only groups that are completely comfortable with Igbos and trust them. I have never heard dem talk about domination.

The rest of u are totally brain washed by the Nigeria Biafra war igbo domination propaganda and that is y many of u ended up fighting on the wrong side only to start apologizing later.

UNITED REFERENDUM DEMANDED IN SOUTHERN CAMEROONS, BAKASSI, NIGER DELTA AND BIAFRA
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scflagThe Government of Southern Cameroons (GoSC) condemns the continued arrest of independence activists by forces of La Republique du Cameroun (LRC) in Southern Cameroons. Further, the GoSC questions the recent actions of the Nigerian government in abandoning the Bakassi people to criminal powers in Yaounde and the Nigerian government’s mistaken policy of harassing and detaining self determination activists in Biafra and the Niger Delta.

The GoSC continues to assess the unfolding human tragedy in this region with sorrow and renewed determination for the formation of a united front as proposed by the Biafra Zionist Movement’s President, Mr. Benjamin Onwuka, earlier this month.

The actions of the Camerounian occupation forces have had consequences beyond the borders of Southern Cameroons and have created a humanitarian crisis in neighbouring Nigeria as displaced citizens flee for their lives.

The actions of the Nigerian government towards peaceful self determination campaigners is misguided even as the Nigerian armed forces fail to protect its citizens from massive terrorism by Boko Haram extremists in the north.

Therefore the GoSC calls for two immediate actions:

1. A united front by all self determination campaigners in Nigeria and Southern Cameroons.

2. An internationally supervised referendum within six months to determine the future of the region.

The solidarity of the Biafra, Bakassi, Niger Delta and Southern Cameroonian peoples for economic and political self determination is resolute and enduring.

The Government of Southern Cameroons takes up the call for unity by all organizations in the regions including: MASSOB, BZM, MEND, MOSOP, OPC, SCNC, SCAPO, SCYL the Bakassi Boys, and BAMOSD.

Long Live a Free Southern Cameroons – Justice and Liberty for the People of Bakassi!



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ianSweet:


I think u should speak for yourself o.
A lot of igbo elites will never be able to leave Lagos. Igbo wealth there is too much, that is why u hardly see these elites agitate for Biafra. Abuja is becoming another interesting place for igbos, there properties there are growing in the millions every day.
What if at the end of the day, all the minority groups refuse to go with Biafra including Anioma and Rivers igboid groups? Will u guys go with the only 5 South-eastern states and form a landlocked extreme densely populated republic?

That is just it, the main reason we want Biafra is to stop Igbos investing in far places like Lagos and Abuja. It is not too late and this is the right time to do that. We want all igbos to return to the east and help develop our land and actually live on the land. Igbo land is big enough and wen we demarcate it and set out areas to build cities, towns and villages(suburb and rural areas) the benefits are endless.

We dont want our people in far away Lagos and Abuja anymore. We have land. Igbo investment in Lagos remains the private property of their owners.(likewise Abuja) Nigerians own property in Ghana and UK but dont share country with them.

Nigeria is going to be over populated anyway, with the way muslims marry 4 wives and have many children. Already, Hausa-Fulani populations are slowly taking hold of the SE and spreading SS from the middle-belt.


On Ebira muslims, they will be a minority alongside Igala muslims. Muslims are always peaceful wen in the minority, that is if they request membership, as they presently are not included. People can apply to join with short term membership and if they find the country suitable they can apply for longterm membership. We will not force anybody to join or stay as u are free to leave and things will be done properly unlike Nigeria.



PIC BELOW: Biggest Medical Research Centre in Africa Completed in Anambra.(In his village) This is wat happens wen they return home, their villages start to look like Cities and then wen we actually map out areas to build a modern global city, u realise their was never any need to be in a country with the North and South west in the first place.

see wat igbo people are building in Lagos and Abuja. Nestoil Tower, Victoria Island, Lagos

We want dem to do all this in the east, as the example set out by Doctor Maduka above.

In little time we will repeat wat was done in Dubai.

gerg:
[s]90% of Anioma migratory stories traces their origin to Bini. All your talks of aborigine is mere speculation and concoction. I never seen anybody bring out solid prove to igbo aborigines in Anioma area. All the oldest Anioma kingdoms said they came from Bini. So you want to tell me Anioma people don't know where their founders come from[/s]?

I don't particularly like it when ignorant folks make sweeping generalizations... What's 90%
Moreover their case is a case of reverse migration.. They went to Idu earlier before the 15th century and had to remigrate when Ewuare(r1440-1473) started his madness. That's why almost all of them have identifiable Igbo names from ezechima to akaraka...compare their case to that of the ishan who left in the 14th century or the Urhobo/Isoko who left in the 11th century during the Ogiso period. You'd see that unlike the Igbo remigrants, the Ishan and Urhobo have clear Edoid names.
Moreover, the Igbos who came out from Idu met already existing Igbo populations West of the Ohimiri river...all they did was to impose Bini political systems on those already existing Igbo populations, aside the political systems every other thing in Anioma is Igbo

gerg:

[s]I'm Anioma and I know the history of my people. 90% Anioma generally and 99% in Ika axis. GIve me your own statistics.[/s]

Give us verifiable stats bro not what you pulled outta thin air

cheruv:

I don't particularly like it when ignorant folks make sweeping generalizations... What's 90%
Moreover their case is a case of reverse migration.. They went to Idu earlier before the 15th century and had to remigrate when Ewuare(r1440-1473) started his madness. That's why almost all of them have identifiable Igbo names from ezechima to akaraka...compare their case to that of the ishan who left in the 14th century or the Urhobo/Isoko who left in the 11th century during the Ogiso period. You'd see that unlike the Igbo remigrants, the Ishan and Urhobo have clear Edoid names.
Moreover, the Igbos who came out from Idu met already existing Igbo populations West of the Ohimiri river...all they did was to impose Bini political systems on those already existing Igbo populations, aside the political systems every other thing in Anioma is Igbo

OR THE POLITICAL SYSTEM MIGHT HAVE BEEN IMPOSED IN THE 15TH CENTURY DURING COLONIALISM.

cheruv:

I don't particularly like it when ignorant folks make sweeping generalizations... What's 90%
Moreover their case is a case of reverse migration.. They went to Idu earlier before the 15th century and had to remigrate when Ewuare(r1440-1473) started his madness. That's why almost all of them have identifiable Igbo names from ezechima to akaraka...compare their case to that of the ishan who left in the 14th century or the Urhobo/Isoko who left in the 11th century during the Ogiso period. You'd see that unlike the Igbo remigrants, the Ishan and Urhobo have clear Edoid names.
Moreover, the Igbos who came out from Idu met already existing Igbo populations West of the Ohimiri river...all they did was to impose Bini political systems on those already existing Igbo populations, aside the political systems every other thing in Anioma is Igbo

Ezechime is a corrupted name. The natives say their founders are from Bini. They never talked about reverse migration. You want to tell me that you know their history more than them? There is nothing like Reverse migration and Igbo aborigines. This is another mere speculation from the Igbos to claim land. and besides, only few Anioma communities are from Ezechime.

Cire80:
there's no aboriginal movement by the Igbo in Anioma. If there is any upper hand, it's population. Igbos population and influence is far far higher than Edo's and Igala's put together. And Igbos are known for exporting their language and culture wherever they go. And colonialism, Christianity and music, movies have a role to play.

Osim
You're still up with these emotional stuffs you're writing
Considering Anioma as a whole..there are three main influences viz Igbo, Igala, Edo. Comparing these three influences, we can see that
1] Edo: its influence is mainly in the cultural sphere, thats why you see that almost all the titles excluding Obi or Deìn are Bini in name.the personal names of the people are Igbo together with their customs like Iwa ji.the only identifiable Edo group are the Oza who form part of agbor township.
2] Igala: its influence is mainly in trade..most of them came as traders who traded along the Ohimiri river.this made them establish settlements along the banks of the Niger especially North of Onicha. That's why if you look closely,you'd notice that nobody South of Onicha or Asaba claims to have Igala origins.
3] Igbo: its influence was in practically in all spheres..they were the aborigines there,even then some of our fathers went to Idu to live and later came back in the 15th century. It was these returnees that imposed Idu political systems on the Igbo aborigines.titles like Iyase, Isama;concepts like ehi/ahi were brought back by these Igbo returnees from Idu.

Unfortunately due to the nature of these interactions, its no brainer that Igala influences disappeared by the turn of the 20th century while Edo influence is on its way out too. Apart from the Oza, who are Edo in all respects just like the Ishan,every other thing in Anioma is built on a solid Igbo base,that's why when the wind of time blows,every other attachment to Anioma fades away

gerg:
Ezechime is a corrupted name. The natives say their founders are from Bini. They never talked about reverse migration. You want to tell me that you know their history more than them? There is nothing like Reverse migration and Igbo aborigines. This is another mere speculation from the Igbos to claim land. and besides, only few Anioma communities are from Ezechime.

Is akaraka Bini too?
The Bini are just too desperate to claim Anioma but thank God our people are speaking up. This Bini appetite for our land is just too voracious

ianSweet:


A N I O M A !
I have many anioma friends.
Truly i heard Illah people have igala origin.
Why is it that most of your people say u are not Igbos when your names appear very igbo-ish?

Not an easy question to answer.

First, we take our traditions quite seriously. Our traditions trace us to many different cultures, not just Igbo. As a result we tend to feel that calling us Igbo is over-simplifying our identity.

Also, in the olden days Igbo for us meant the people across the Niger. The name also has for us a negative connotation, but I don't want to get into that.

cheruv:

Osim
You're still up with these emotional stuffs you're writing
Considering Anioma as a whole..there are three main influences viz Igbo, Igala, Edo. Comparing these three influences, we can see that
1] Edo: its influence is mainly in the cultural sphere, thats why you see that almost all the titles excluding Obi or Deìn are Bini in name.the personal names of the people are Igbo together with their customs like Iwa ji.the only identifiable Edo group are the Oza who form part of agbor township.
2] Igala: its influence is mainly in trade..most of them came as traders who traded along the Ohimiri river.this made them establish settlements along the banks of the Niger especially North of Onicha. That's why if you look closely,you'd notice that nobody South of Onicha or Asaba claims to have Igala origins.
3] Igbo: its influence was in practically in all spheres..they were the aborigines there,even then some of our fathers went to Idu to live and later came back in the 15th century. It was these returnees that imposed Idu political systems on the Igbo aborigines.titles like Iyase, Isama;concepts like ehi/ahi were brought back by these Igbo returnees from Idu.

Unfortunately due to the nature of these interactions, its no brainer that Igala influences disappeared by the turn of the 20th century while Edo influence is on its way out too. Apart from the Oza, who are Edo in all respects just like the Ishan,every other thing in Anioma is built on a solid Igbo base,that's why when the wind of time blows,every other attachment to Anioma fades away

You are wrong again. Some people say Obi is a corrupt form of the Edo word, Ovbi which may be true. Obi is not an Igbo title and Obi doesn't mean king in Igbo language. No Igbo village uses the Obi title. Any Igbo you see putting Obi after Eze is a recent invention. Dein is not an Igbo name. Dein and dei are not even close at all. Another concoction. Tell me what dei means in Igbo. Dein originated from Agbor Kingdom. Not even Bini and all Ika area use that word. Any Igbo town you see using that word borrowed from Agbor.

Edo influence in Anioma encompasses all spheres from language, culture and customs, kingship, chieftancy, all traditions, music and dancea, traditional attire, way of life, world view, cuisine and food, traditional believe system, cultural heritage, religion, mythology, ancestry and every other ways. There are many festivals in Anioma but Iwaji is the only Igbo festival in my place.

It's true that the Igala influence is wanting but Igala customs and traditional still exist in many Anioma villages. Even some Igala festivals are celebrated in many Anioma villages

There is no prove of any reverse migration in Anioma land. That is just a term invented by Igbo land grabbers looking for people to claim. All migration story and oral traditions in Anioma land indicate where there founders came from and I don't remember any that said anything about reverse migration. If there was reverse migration, the people would know. Now that it's not in our oral tradition, you as an outsider can't come out and start speculating it

cheruv:

Is akaraka Bini too?
The Bini are just too desperate to claim Anioma but thank God our people are speaking up. This Bini appetite for our land is just too voracious

What business does Akaraka has to do with Anioma? Do you even know what you're talking about?

Redbonesmith1:


Not an easy question to answer.

First, we take our traditions quite seriously. Our traditions trace us to many different cultures, not just Igbo. As a result we tend to feel that calling us Igbo is over-simplifying our identity.

Also, in the olden days Igbo for us meant the people across the Niger. The name also has for us a negative connotation, but I don't want to get into that.

Really? Na wettin we do all l of una Ooooo! please tell!

ianSweet:
Let me make this clear to you.
Igalas don't have one origin.
Go to Ankpa for instance, most of them there will tell you that they have hausa origins and this is very true because many hausas came to trade with Igalas and islam came through that route and that is why u see that it is only in Ankpa that u have a clear muslim majority in Igala land. Many Ankpa elders were still speaking hausa some few generations ago but it has died. Infact there is a town called Angwa in Ankpa that you will not find a single christian or animist family and u will see many Ankpa people answering family names like Dan'Asabe, Danjuma, Danladi, Danyaro, Dan'yahaya (all these hausanized versions of islamic names).

Over 1/3 of igalas will claim Kwararafa (jukun) origin today because we were conquered and ruled for so many years by them and all the royal igala families then have kwararafan blood or allegiance.

Some Igalas from Ofu axis claim that they and yorubas have a common origin, this is why they have the Ojogba of Ife title there (which is the oldest title in Igala land, even older than the Attah, and this is also the only king in igala land that does not bow for the Attah). Some sources claim that this Ojogba of Ife birthed Oduduwa which went to form Ife in yoruba land. Most yorubas will not accept this but most Benins do, because even the Benins claim that Oduduwa went to Igala land before reaching Ife.

Lastly, it has been shown that the earliest inhabitants of Igala land had a connection with the Igbos through Eri but it may not be the way many igbos are claiming it today that Eri was an Igbo man.
Further more, there were subsequent Igbo migrations into igala land (whether from Nri am not sure).

So, there you have it. This Kwararafa (Jukun) origin of Igalas is now gainnig wide acceptance because Jukun rulership over our people is the most recent re- shaping of our history, and our King has been promoting it, also coupled with the fact that many other middlebelt ethnic groups claim Kwararafa origin.

So you agree that the Igalas and the Igbo do not share a common ancestor??

ianSweet:
Excuse me, are u from Kogi?
Have u been to Olamaboro, Ibaji and Igala mela axis of igala land? If u have not been there, go there and see the heavy similarities between people here and Igbos.
Some of our villages have igbo origins and many people from Ibaji and Olamaboro speak igbo fluently as second language.
Do u know that even among we igalas, we see ourselves differently? Many igalas from the northern part see us from the southern parts as Igbo-like and even mistake us for Igbos sometimes while we see them as yoruba or hausa like. For instance people often feel those tiger marks are borne by all igalas, but i usually let them know that those of us from southern igala never have such marks, i think northern igalas got those marks from Yorubas.
Southern igalas have been neighbours with igbos (Nsukka and Anambra people) for centuries and we have come to share many things in common with them and even them with us (cultural diffusion). That is why many of our people are indigenes of Anambra and Enugu.
However, northern igalas have the numbers and population, probably because of islam.
In Ibaji, we do not use the yellow and black striped clothes for all ceremonies, our women tie normal gele with laced blouses and two wrappers sometimes.

Which one of your Igala villages have Igbo origins? And what are these exact origins?? Please clarify. In many parts of the world, border communities that straddle different states such as the one you mentioned are usually bilingual or even tri-lingual in order to facilitate ease of communication, trade and commerce. It does not mean that they always share the same ancestral origins with the ethnic group whose language they speak, as their second language.

Here is a viewpoint from another Igala chap, on a different thread. Read his responses, below.

greatjoey:
Whoever says ibaji belongs to Igbo is not a good student of history. Ask such a person what ibaji means in Igbo language? In Igala, it means riverriners or river people. The founders were children and bonafide descendants of Idoko, OMA Abutu Eje. They were warriorsvwhom were sent from Ida to Bini, now Benin to wage a war against the Bini people. Igala, having defeated Bini in the previous war, killed Onu Bini and seized the eju b'eju ailo which the Attah Igala uses till date, the Bini people became afraid of the news. The Bini consequently selected their most beautiful women to go and welcome the Igala warriors while they were still afar. They were naked and the Igala warriors slept with them. This act defiled the charm the warrior came with to fight. Consequently, they returned and couldnt fight again. On their way back to Ida, they became afraid of the At a possible reaction of their failure. So, they decided to remain at where is called Onyedega today and sent an emissary to Ida of their plan to settle their. Being a rever-rine environment, they were name 'Ibo-Aji' hence Ibaji today. Thank you.https://www.nairaland.com/3542226/list-371-ethnic-groups-nigeria/8

ianSweet:
The Attah of igala land may not allow such referendum in Igala land because he will not want anything that will divide his people.
Islam and Christianity is already a huge factor of differentiation among his people. I think Idomas may be in a better position for this.

The Attah of Igala is a very wise man!!

laudate:


Which one of your Igala villages have Igbo origins? And what are these exact origins?? Please clarify. In many parts of the world, border communities that straddle different states such as the one you mentioned are usually bilingual or even tri-lingual in order to facilitate ease of communication, trade and commerce. It does not mean that they always share the same ancestral origins as the ethnic group whose language they speak, as their second language.

Heard of Odeke in Ibaji?

[quote author=Cire80 post=52729658

You are wrong again. Some people say Obi is a corrupt form of the Edo word, Ovbi which may be true. Obi is not an Igbo title and Obi doesn't mean king in Igbo language

You and concoctions again,OK...what does "ovbi" mean in Bini?? How can you say that Obi isn't an Igbo title when almost all the traditional rulers in Anioma and Anambra states use it as their titles??

No Igbo village uses the Obi title

. Go and say it to all Ika clans aside Agbor that use Obi title...that's even far,come to Abō that's within my LG and tell their king his title isn't Obi go to the Adama country where all their rulers excluding Eze Nri use Obi and say this BS

Any Igbo you see putting Obi after Eze is a recent invention

I wonder where you got this particular piece of info from...probably one of your Bini induced psychosis

Dein is not an Igbo name. Dein and dei are not even close at all. Another concoction. Tell me what dei means in Igbo. Dein originated from Agbor Kingdom. Not even Bini and all Ika area use that word. Any Igbo town you see using that word borrowed from Agbor.

Osim
Dei and Dein are the same thing...the only difference is nasalization. Dein in Agbor is same as Dei in Onicha also same as Dee in Aba. They're all the same thing...moreover Dein didn't originate from agbor,this present king switched his title from Obi of Agbor to Dein of Agbor in reverence of the founder of the present ruling house whose name was also Dein. Its similar to King Felipe of Spain waking up tomorrow and saying that his title will now be Philip Bourbon of Spain in honor of Philip who founded the Spanish Bourbon dynasty
All other Ika use Obi as their title.. Just like their brothers allover Anioma and Anambra state

Edo influence in AniomaIka encompasses allsome spheres from language ×, culture and customs ×, kingship √, chieftancy √, all traditions ×(some not all), music and dancea ×, traditional attire √, way of life √, world view ×, cuisine and food ×, traditional believe system √½, cultural heritage √½, religion √½, mythology √, ancestry × and every other ways . There are many festivals in Anioma but Iwaji is the only Igbo festival in my place

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Look at the amount of fallacious fallacies you've made...you should've also denied too that iwa ji is Igbo too na

It's true that the Igala influence is wanting but Igala customs and traditional still exist in many Anioma villages. Even some Igala festivals are celebrated in many Anioma villages

Dodo can you name them please Don't just make unsubstantiated facts here

There is no prove of any reverse migration in Anioma land. [s]That is just a term invented by Igbo land grabbers looking for people to claim[/s]. All migration story and oral traditions in Anioma land indicate where there founders came from and I don't remember any that said anything about reverse migration. If there was reverse migration, the people would know. Now that it's not in our oral tradition, you as an outsider can't come out and start speculating it

If your Bini ancestors could come and grab Anioma land in the name of "conquest",how sure are we that you their descendants won't try or are not even grabbing our land currently Kos the rate you guys now try to rewrite Anioma history to fit your Bini psychosis is becoming alarming. Igbos were never conquerors, we Oru people never had stories of Igbos coming to conquer us so I wonder where you get your Igbo land grabbing stories from... Probably you're trying to project your bad attributes to us,isn't it?
Anyway just know you've failed already

Cire80:
The Ikas are really a proud nation. Yes, when the Binis got guns and other weapons from the Portuguese, they became tyrannical and started terrorizing all their neighbors and the Ika people resisted them a great deal. The relationship between Ika and Edo has always been a love hate relationship but does this take away the fact that we are brothers? This is not even just brotherhood. We're broke out from them.

Even the Aros that came to the Anioma land with guns tried terrorizing and inciting the natives against authorities of the land before they were chased out.

The manner the founders of most Anioma Kingdoms left Bini wasn't a peaceful one so there's animosity and bad blood between us and the Edo people. That brothers quarreled doesn't stop them from being brothers.

Now that part in bold type, is the one that is giving some folks sheer headache on this thread. They do not want to hear anyone saying that the Ika and Bini are brothers. You will be regarded as public enemy No. 1 if you persist with this trend of thought. But do not mind them. The truth is still the truth!

RedboneSmith:
I have lived in Abakiliki for a long time, and I have never started a sentence with "as an Izii man..." No one writes like, except someone who is trying to tell you that that is what he is by tribe. An Ohuhu living in Aba will never say, "As an Ngwa man...", an Echie man in Port Harcourt will never say, "As an Ikwerre man..." What you may hear is "As an Aba boy" or "as a PH boy", indicating ties to the particular city he was raised in. That you did not write "as an Aba boy", but instead wrote "As an ukwangwa" speaks volumes. So that line about you living there a long time blah blah is an attempt at saving face after being caught impersonating. It's okay, we get it. This debate is important to you and you want to win.

Where in Ndokwa East are you from sha? I speak the dialect of that axis pretty decently. Let's communicate in vernacular.

De ele odi, nwene malu?

Chai!! You are a correct detective, oh!! Sherlock Holmes in action. I hail you, sir! So this chap has been forming to be Anioma all these while? No wonder some of his responses had k-leg, especially his recital of the Ekumeku & Nri connection. Hmnn....

Redbonesmith1:
Heard of Odeke in Ibaji?

And what exactly is their ancestral history? Is that not the same Odeke where the new Orient refinery is supposed to be located?

gerg:
What business does Akaraka has to do with Anioma? Do you even know what you're talking about?

You've not heard of akaraka/akalaka He fled Benin around the same time as Eze Chima and founded the current Ogba and Ekpeye tribes. That's the guy ikweres say makes them Bini
Too bad all you guys do is just claim and claim without nothing serious to back it up..maybe you think we're all dunces

cheruv:

You and concoctions again,OK...what does "ovbi" mean in Bini?? How can you say that Obi isn't an Igbo title when almost all the traditional rulers in Anioma and Anambra states use it as their titles??
. Go and say it to all Ika clans aside Agbor that use Obi title...that's even far,come to Abō that's within my LG and tell their king his title isn't Obi go to the Adama country where all their rulers excluding Eze Nri use Obi and say this BS I wonder where you got this particular piece of info from...probably one of your Bini induced psychosis

Osim
Dei and Dein are the same thing...the only difference is nasalization. Dein in Agbor is same as Dei in Onicha also same as Dee in Aba. They're all the same thing...moreover Dein didn't originate from agbor,this present king switched his title from Obi of Agbor to Dein of Agbor in reverence of the founder of the present ruling house whose name was also Dein. Its similar to King Felipe of Spain waking up tomorrow and saying that his title will now be Philip Bourbon of Spain in honor of Philip who founded the Spanish Bourbon dynasty
All other Ika use Obi as their title.. Just like their brothers allover Anioma and Anambra state

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Look at the amount of fallacious fallacies you've made...you should've also denied too that iwa ji is Igbo too na

Dodo can you name them please Don't just make unsubstantiated facts here


If your Bini ancestors could come and grab Anioma land in the name of "conquest",how sure are we that you their descendants won't try or are not even grabbing our land currently Kos the rate you guys now try to rewrite Anioma history to fit your Bini psychosis is becoming alarming. Igbos were never conquerors, we Oru people never had stories of Igbos coming to conquer us so I wonder where you get your Igbo land grabbing stories from... Probably you're trying to project your bad attributes to us,isn't it?
Anyway just know you've failed already

There is no king in Igbo land that uses the Obi title. Obi doesn't mean king in Igbo language. It's only recently you see some adding Obi so so and so, Eze of so so and so. Now they're even borrowing Ada and Ebeni from us.

All the Kingdoms that use Dein/Dei are Anioma people. Dein originated from Agbor and it's in use all over Ika and some Anioma area. Recently, I started seeing some Igbo write nonsense about what Dei means in Igbo. Dei doesn't mean in Igbo but you people tried to ascribe Igbo meaning to it but it's dead on arrival. How can you say Dei is from di anyi? They are not even close at all. This is the ridiculous meaning you guys ascribed to it.
It's like saying Igbanke is from Igbo akiri when it's well known that Igbanke is coined from the names of the two largest villages of Igbontor and Ake. Some people here some time ago wrote about how Agbor was founded by Omini Eze Ijie from Umuleri because the name of Agbor was Ominijie. Ominijie is an Edo name. Doesn't have anything to do with your imaginary Omini from Aguleri. Ain't you guys ever tired of propaganda?

Are you arguing about igala culture in Anioma land?

Cire80:
There is no king in Igbo land that uses the Obi title. Obi doesn't mean king in Igbo language. It's only recently you see some adding Obi so so and so, Eze of so so and so. Now they're even borrowing Ada and Ebeni from us.

All the Kingdoms that use Dein/Dei are Anioma people. Dein originated from Agbor and it's in use all over Ika and some Anioma area. Recently, I started seeing some Igbo write nonsense about what Dei means in Igbo. Dei doesn't mean in Igbo but you people tried to ascribe Igbo meaning to it but it's dead on arrival. How can you say Dei is from di anyi? They are not even close at all. This is the ridiculous meaning you guys ascribed to it.
It's like saying Igbanke is from Igbo akiri when it's well known that Igbanke is coined from the names of the two largest villages of Igbontor and Ake. Some people here some time ago wrote about how Agbor was founded by Omini Eze Ijie from Umuleri because the name of Agbor was Ominijie. Ominijie is an Edo name. Doesn't have anything to do with your imaginary Omini from Aguleri. Ain't you guys ever tired of propaganda?

Are you arguing about igala culture in Anioma land?

Don't mind them. They are revisionists. But wait o... isn't the king of Onitsha referred to as the Obi of Onitsha? I am scratching my head, trying to figure this out.

laudate:


Don't mind them. They are revisionists. But wait o... isn't the king of Onitsha referred to as the Obi of Onitsha? I am scratching my head, trying to figure this out.

Because the typical Onitsha indigenes don't call themselves Igbo. Even now that Igbo is all around them and they're in the South East, some of them still don't like to be called Igbo.

Cire80:
Because the typical Onitsha indigenes don't call themselves Igbo. Even now that Igbo is all around them and they're in the South East, some of them still don't like to be called Igbo.

Oh, I see. That explains it then...

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There is no king in Igbo land that uses the Obi title. Obi doesn't mean king in Igbo language.

Obi doesn't mean King in Igbo.. Don't know where you got that notion from. The Igbo for King is Ezè. As regards the first part of this quote,I'd not treat it bkos you look like those who fail exams despite so many examples.

It's only recently you see some adding Obi so so and so, Eze of so so and so. Now they're even borrowing Ada and Ebeni from us

I'd concede this point partially to you.. The only Eze we had in Igboland before the British came were the EzeNri, EzeAro and the EzeOgwuta...all the others from Agbor in the West to Itigidi in the East were all Obis. Any other Eze aside these three are impostors

All the Kingdoms that use Dein/Dei are Anioma people. Dein originated from Agbor and it's in use all over Ika and some Anioma area

Guy like I said stop making statements you can't back bkos the last time I checked,the only Dein is that of Agbor. Those other deins are they in your parlor

Recently, I started seeing some Igbo write nonsense about what Dei means in Igbo. Dei doesn't mean in Igbo but you people tried to ascribe Igbo meaning to it but it's dead on arrival. How can you say Dei is from di anyi? They are not even close at all. This is the ridiculous meaning you guys ascribed to it

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You're the same person who ascribed the meaning "di anyi" to it at times I wonder at the kinda useless allegations you make here. I gave you a chart
Dein(Agbor)=Dei(Onicha)=Dee(Aba) which means as you go from Agbor to Onicha to Aba the pronunciation changes from Dein>Dei>Dee

It's like saying Igbanke is from Igbo akiri when it's well known that Igbanke is coined from the names of the two largest villages of Igbontor and Ake. Some people here some time ago wrote about how Agbor was founded by Omini Eze Ijie from Umuleri because the name of Agbor was Ominijie. Ominijie is an Edo name. Doesn't have anything to do with your imaginary Omini from Aguleri. Ain't you guys ever tired of propaganda

Seriously you've issues oo...concerning the bold why don't you take it up with the Dein,Obi ikenchuku keagboriezi rather than disturb us here with it as if we were there when he gave the interview to the so called Niger Delta budget group or so

Are you arguing about igala culture in Anioma land

Regarding this, to be frank with you I don't bother myself with "ozun" I deal with vibrant issues not something that's going to die out soon

Cire80:
Because the typical Onitsha indigenes don't call themselves Igbo. Even now that Igbo is all around them and they're in the South East, some of them still don't like to be called Igbo.

Pls can you differentiate btwn typical and atypical Onicha indigenes?

[quote author=cheruv post=52732754][/quote]the interview was concocted from the bedroom of IPOB, The chief propaganda unit of NDIGBO