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Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by TWoods(m): 10:46pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Pidgin2: hmmm false. Indians in first world nations can't wait to dump their Indian passports. You need to visit trackitt.com. Thousands of Indians there moaning about not being able to get US LPR/citizenship status quickly enough. Yes the Indians in Nigeria prefer to keep their indian passports... why would they "downgrade" to a Nigerian passport? This is the simplest argument against keeping a Nigerian passport - the fact that you have to apply for a visa to every single country! Even Gabon! Why would i want to put myself through the pain, cost and uncertainty of endless visa applications, renewals etc. with a green passport when i can simply buy a ticket and fly tomorrow with a US, British or Canadian passport? Even the most patriotic Nigerian knows which makes most sense. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Nobody: 11:14pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
bebe2: I'm assuming your kids are below 10years old? It amazes me that you feel Nigeria will still be a gloomy chaotic place even when your children reach retirement age. This means you don't think Nigeria will ever improve, smh Let's pray your kids won't put you in a retirement home by the time you get old as this seems to be what many Western cultures encourage. Over there it seems hardly anyone wants to be burdened with an elderly parent who they have to take care of, the worse is if you are sick or (God forbid) have dementia. There are still some things to cherish here, especially care of the elderly but I do understand how it is going to be almost impossible to expect your kids to even want to visit here after their grandma passes (wishing her more years ahead) |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Nobody: 11:30pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
TWoods: I believe people like Dangote, Otedola, Ifeanyi Uba, Tony Elumelu, Linda Ikeji, Seun Osewa and many more folks who are not as popular as the above mentioned can all actually chose to live in 'first world' countries with the money they've got, I also believe they are all in their right senses but they have chosen to make Nigeria their home. There are some quiet wealthy folks down here who are not politicians, people who shuttle from Canada to UK to US to Europe and back to Nigeria on business trips and even vacation. I don't know their secret yet but I pray to find out one day |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by TWoods(m): 11:32pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Pidgin2: huh? I know many Nigerians and Americans whose parents live with them permanently. It is not true that western cultures encourage you to put your old parents in a retirement home... this occurs because there are welfare schemes in place that allow older folks to live as independently as possible until they are no longer able to. Social security ensures they get a pay check for life as soon as they turn 65. Medicare ensures they get all the medical care they get for extremely cheap. This can include having a nurse that comes to check on them daily, or a home of their own in hospice care if needed. Why throw away these benefits just because you want your parents to live with you? Lets be frank, in Nigeria, our parents live with us BECAUSE THEIR IS NO OTHER CHOICE! It is either that or they starve to death in a nondescript home (if they aren't already homeless). Its not because we have a culture of taking care of our parents more than others. I've read through your previous posts and its clearer to me that your motivation isn't really that you love Nigeria, you are simply grasping for anything positive about Nigeria to make you feel better, since you cannot immigrate legally. If you had a choice, you would leave Nigeria in a heartbeat. 8 Likes |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by TWoods(m): 11:35pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Pidgin2: There is no secret... they are simply thieves and beneficiaries of a corrupt system of government. Linda Ikeji and Seun Osewa are simply one-offs. They luckily stumbled on a means of making money via the web. For every Nairaland, how many other web forums are there that have made no money? How many accounts did Nigerians put up before and after Linda? How many of them have made a penny? Dangote, Otedola and others would be in jail in more civilized countries. Bribing government officials to give you favorable contracts, being dashed oil blocs by military heads of state etc... Here is the secret you need, find a high ranking government official to sleep with. Afterall it worked for Mrs Alakija. This is the problem with Nigeria, you can only "make it" if you compromise your integrity. 9 Likes |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Nobody: 11:35pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
TWoods: I still wonder why the richest man in Africa holds no other passport but that of Nigeria despite all the drawbacks you have stated above |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by bebe2(f): 11:36pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Pidgin2: That was an error, I meant in MY retirement not theirs. U right about the care home stuff, it scares me too, but if I am in Nigeria and my kids are abroad who is going to ensure I don't get treated badly in my old age? Typical Nigerians have no respect for their fellow humans , rather they respect ur clothes, your position in power and how much money u have. If I get dementia abroad chances are I will get look after they understand wats wrong with me, I will get treated with empathy. BUT if I get dementia in na Nigeria guess wat they will do, term me as a witch and torture me to death. This I have seen with my own eyes wen I was younger and I still see today on social media. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by TWoods(m): 11:38pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Pidgin2: If he held a US passport, it would expose him to prosecution since he would be required to file US taxes every year thus exposing him to stricter scrutiny of his finances. Its easy to hold a Nigerian passport... no one cares about the legitimacy of his money. Its like asking why James Ibori prefers a Nigerian passport over a British passport... duh! 7 Likes |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by maternal: 11:41pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Pidgin2: Because he's the richest man in Africa and getting things like a visa won't be an issue. TWoods I assume is middle class in the US. Meaning a Nigerian passport does not benefit him at all, especially over a US passport. Also those rich guys are full of crap. I'm sure most usually have a green card or permanent residency card tucked away somewhere just in case. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by bebe2(f): 11:42pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Pidgin2: U don't seem to understand how nationality works abroad, u can not buy it with money. Bill gate can't walk in to Germany or London and demand passport. Dangote will not be given any countries passport unless he follows the immigration rule and that usually involves living in the country which might be hard for him. 4 Likes |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Nobody: 11:44pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Pidgin2:Who? Friend of every govt? 1 Like |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Nobody: 11:46pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
bebe2: Interesting, so our medical doctors and nurses here have never heard about dementia and don't know how to handle it or speak to a patient's family about it? Are you assuming that an average Nigerian cannot conduct a research via the Internet after noticing certain symptoms which they observed in the individual who is suffering from this illness or am I to believe that you don't think we have diagnostic centers here where MRI scan can be conducted?, haba |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by claremont(m): 11:47pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Pidgin2: Let me ask you a question. If you were a dual national living in the UK/USA/Canada, would you abandon the immense opportunities in these countries for Nigeria, just so you can be viewed as patriotic?! I think you misconstrue what the concept of 'home' is, 'home' isn't necessarily where you were born, it IS where you have opportunities and peace of mind for you and your future offspring. Nigeria is a fool's paradise where the 'middle-class' struggle for the most basic of amenities, but claim to be supposedly well-off than their peers. Meanwhile, the so-called middle class are surrounded by people living in abject poverty, but it's okay to them as long as they can FEED their families. It's a never-ending rat-race, that in most cases, never gets above the most basic of needs i.e. food for family e.t.c. 8 Likes |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Nobody: 11:47pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
maternal:We didn't know Soyinka had one. |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Nobody: 11:50pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
bebe2: Which Western country will refuse to give Dangote a business permit with the amount of funds he is capable of investing? Which of course will lead to nationalization in the long run if he wants. It seems you think these Western countries are saints.. https://www.gov.uk/tier-1-entrepreneur/overview http://legalservicesincorporated.com/which-immigration-visa-should-i-select-if-i-am-an-entrepreneurs-investors-or-business-owners/ I'm glad you mentioned that it will be hard for him to live permanently any where else because of his business interests here. There are many other business men and women here making millions who would never even consider relocating permanently if given the choice |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Nobody: 11:50pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Pidgin2:And Buhari frequents Germany on health issues. |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by TWoods(m): 11:50pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
elfmann: I'm sure the likes of Tony Elumelu have one too (for the sake of their children at least). You can easily get a US green card using the EB5 category if you invest $500,000 in a US company. It amazes me how easily hoodwinked the likes of pidgin2 are. Raped by her politicians and forced to love a country that cares nothing for her. 6 Likes |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Nobody: 11:51pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Pidgin2:He wouldn't wanna pay taxes. You dey reason so? |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by TWoods(m): 11:53pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Pidgin2: Virtually all! You seem to think those countries are like Nigeria were anything goes. Compared to the likes of Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, what does Dangote add to the US economy? What business would Dangote run in the US? A sugar mill? Cement factory or import rice? lol 3 Likes |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by bebe2(f): 11:59pm On Jan 15, 2017 |
Pidgin2: Stay in one place na, are we talking visas or passport?? It's not about sainthood , it's about laws that need to be adhered to. Having a billion visas on ur passport still doesn't translate to automatic passport. At least for uk sha Www.UKBA.gov.uk A friend of mine brought her Spanish husband to Nigeria to settle, she tried to give him a man Nigeria passport, the immigration office refused saying he didn't meet the criteria. |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Nobody: 12:02am On Jan 16, 2017 |
TWoods: Obviously, you are underestimating Nigerian youths, some of whom are earning very well online (genuinely) And who did Late Madam Dora Akunyili, Mrs Ngozi Okonji uweala, Mrs Obi Ezekwsili, Mrs Aloma Mariam Mhuktar and so many other prominent women in this country sleep with before achieving what they have? Oya start naming their sexual partners |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by bebe2(f): 12:04am On Jan 16, 2017 |
Pidgin2: Is the doctor going to adopt u after the dementia diagnosis? U act like na only u dey dat Nigeria, those old women striped naked and called witches wat do think is wrong with them? Ur views on issues are so narrow, it's either u live in an estate in Nigeria and have never been let out or u are in denial of the facts. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Nobody: 12:05am On Jan 16, 2017 |
TWoods: This is funny, try researching before you comment, this isn't personal, I'm just saying the truth |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Nobody: 12:08am On Jan 16, 2017 |
bebe2:. Let me ask you, why do you read it in the news? Because it rarely happens, it is a one off thing that's why it is news worthy Nigeria is not that backward na, sis cut us some slacks. Most universities have medical schools here |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by TWoods(m): 12:08am On Jan 16, 2017 |
Pidgin2: Iweala and Ezekwesili are most likely US citizens, so drop them from your list. Again, you are listing extreme one-offs in a nation of over 170 million. |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by TWoods(m): 12:10am On Jan 16, 2017 |
Pidgin2: lol what should i research about? You're the one living in Nigeria, claiming its so great, yet spending your every waking moment on the travel section of this forum. If you did any research at all you would know why Dangote cannot simply switch passports from one nation to another. Dangote's companies are not innovative, they are simply commodity industries churning out stuff that other countries long moved on from. They only work here in Nigeria because we import everything and we have 75% unemployment. Try building a sugar factory in the US and see how profitable that is. Its always funny when ignorant Nigerians tell you to research about the country you live in. 1 Like |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Nobody: 12:13am On Jan 16, 2017 |
bebe2:.. Haha UK is even one of the worst culprits, this is why they ask for bank statement for almost everything possible . They have entrepreneur investors category where you need to be willing to invest a certain amount of money doing business there and of course you can also take your family over there with you as dependents. After a few years, you can apply for citizenship |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Nobody: 12:20am On Jan 16, 2017 |
TWoods: Lol so you think that everyone that visits this section is desperate to migrate? Dangote has been on Forbes list countless number of times, why will they consistently give credit to a fraudster? http://www.forbes.com/profile/aliko-dangote/ |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by bebe2(f): 10:37am On Jan 16, 2017 |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Lucasbalo(m): 4:56pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
TWoods:Bravo. You nailed it. |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Nobody: 4:34am On Jan 17, 2017 |
elfmann: Unfortunately, he has the money to throw around like that but does this mean we should condemn our health system because some of our leaders are Je.rrks? I think it's time to look inwards lie the Cubans have done I spent a few months in one rural community while volunteering and I saw agile old men and women in their 80s and 90s trekking long distances, lifting 25kg of water several times a day and i was perplexed, those old people were very strong and in good health too. Of course they never spent thousands of dollars in a foreign hospital taking care of their health rather they relied on the knowledge our ancestors had left behind for them, lived close to nature and ate natural food Compare this to elderly people living in urban centres and Western communities who become frail and ill far too early. You see them in Europe and America walking alone with their bent backs in harsh whether most of them so frail and dependent on helpers it's sad. |
Re: Why Dual Nationality Should Be Banned In Nigeria by Nobody: 4:37am On Jan 17, 2017 |
bebe2: Our population should be over 170 million and counting, of course you will have isolated cases like this or are there no serial killers in the West or no drive - by shootings and racial killings in America any longer? http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/ http://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/murder RIP to our veteran tho |
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