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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by desiji: 10:28pm On Jan 18, 2017
Finally bought Wires paid a whooping 465k for my 4 bedroom Bungalow. This is turning to a nightmare lipsrsealed
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 10:33pm On Jan 18, 2017
desiji:
Finally bought Wires paid a whooping 465k for my 4 bedroom Bungalow. This is turning to a nightmare lipsrsealed

This xchange rate fluctuation is killing everything... Imagine, I paid N453k for Nigerchin on April 8, 2016 for 7Bedrooms duplex with two large Livingrooms and big Guard House wiring; I can't even imagine how much that will be now... You are even paying more than that for 4 bedrooms bungalow. I hope your fence is included because mine was not included and I am regretting it now. God save us o.

Hajji M.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 11:18pm On Jan 18, 2017
abdulwastecx:


I don't think this alternative "soak-away" will be able to disposal off the effluent because of the following.
1. At that depth beneath the septic soak away tank, a percolation test cannot be carried out to determine the rate of discharge to surrounding soil.
2. the surrounding soil is too close to the perimeter of building foundation and most code specify a minimum distance between a soak-away system and building foundation perimeter of 15m (see BS 6297)
3. At that level the soak-away pit will fall below or be within 1m from the water table

The system as designed is just fine, a big move above what is currently being delivered in Nigeria.

Percolation rate is in relation to the size of the sceptic tank and not if discharge will occur. So if for example the percolation rate is low, then you will need a bigger sceptic tank. Discharge or percolation will almost take place in a good permeable loamy soil as evidenced in the photos. Very few people if at all carry out percolation test in Nigeria for building Soakaways. If your subsoil is clayey, a wet land or mash, a different design is needed.

With a 100 x 60 plot or 100 x 50 types of land measurement and cost in Nigeria in fully built up area, it is a struggle to meet the BS code of 15m you pointed out. Even if you build a Bungalow on a 100 x 60 plot, you will struggle to achieve a 15m distance either from your foundation or your fence work, hence the need to do it differently as I've highlighted which is a superior option.

You are so certain the water table is 1 meter below, did you apply a rule of thumb (?) as I know you did not carry out any geological survey or test as you pointed out with the percolation. Well from the site borehole results and outcome, portable water was struck at about under 100ft, so we are safe to infer that the water table should be at about 60 - 70 ft (?). Now the sceptic tank is just about 12ft deep; well enough room before the water table for the natural soil to filter the effluent.

The system will deliver. The design is from seasoned water and drain engineers sanctioned by UK Environmental Agency. We need to embrace tested international standards where applicable.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 11:32pm On Jan 18, 2017
mufutau55:


I like the concept... saved for future use... Do you have a good pic or specifications of those white pipes inside the tanks.
But too close to the house for my comfort o, I won't have it too close to the house. Thanks.

Hajji M.

Hajji M unfortunately I do not have a better pic but the pipes are not "specialist" pipes. They are accessible easily. The tank is well built and nylon plastered all through, so little chance of a water breach to worry about being close to the house. However, the back tank is closest to the building at about I think 6m from the house and about 4m away from the fence at the long end. The photos might show differently.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 44chux(m): 11:55pm On Jan 18, 2017
allCopacetic:

That's interesting
Ohh yes...i recall the mention of " Total Solar " in our earlier exchange. Had no idea it was related to the ioc,
Total energy.
Installation must be world class. Must have cost an arm and a leg too.
They have different packages. I still have the brochure and contacts.
What really matters is the end user satisfaction which for me is positive.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by nio68(m): 12:01am On Jan 19, 2017
Can someone kindly recommend a reliable builder to provide quote and deck my building
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 12:02am On Jan 19, 2017
diordaves:


Hajji M unfortunately I do not have a better pic but the pipes are not "specialist" pipes. They are accessible easily. The tank is well built and nylon plastered all through, so little chance of a water breach to worry about being close to the house. However, the back tank is closest to the building at about I think 6m from the house and about 4m away from the fence at the long end. The photos might show differently.

Thanks. Nothing to worry about at 6m. Thank you sir.

Hajji M.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 44chux(m): 12:03am On Jan 19, 2017
EgunMogaji:


Personally, I see this demonstrated system as a big hoopla.

Yes, we need better system that's ecological. This is not it.

If you add large amounts of a specific bacteria that is commercially available to the first tank, and disinfectant to the last tank to kill excess bacteria, you get a perfect system. That's what is used offshore.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 44chux(m): 4:12am On Jan 19, 2017
mufutau55:


This xchange rate fluctuation is killing everything... Imagine, I paid N453k for Nigerchin on April 8, 2016 for 7Bedrooms duplex with two large Livingrooms and big Guard House wiring; I can't even imagine how much that will be now... You are even paying more than that for 4 bedrooms bungalow. I hope your fence is included because mine was not included and I am regretting it now. God save us o.

Hajji M.

I go like get ur e-manual to fantastic price negotiation skills. grin
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 8:07am On Jan 19, 2017
My Neighbour's Fence Work

The first two photos are my neighbour's fence. I'm really impressed by the handcrafted nature of the execution; no tiles, no paint; no evidenced plastering. Just handcraft. Notice the near perfect circle and the "false" brick simulation. I love it. I would have adopted it as well to give the area some semblance but I'm not a fan of high fence. I go for see-through fence. So for those how fancy high fence, I dash una.

I like see-through so I will steal the last too photos nicked from Nairaland. A good thought out fence work can really enhance the building and lift up the value of the property. We should not discount this fact.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by allCopacetic: 9:20am On Jan 19, 2017
44chux:

What really matters is the end user satisfaction which for me is positive.
Yep, Basically
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 9:30am On Jan 19, 2017
44chux:


If you add large amounts of a specific bacteria that is commercially available to the first tank, and disinfectant to the last tank to kill excess bacteria, you get a perfect system. That's what is used offshore.

Except none of us here are building offshore.

Brabus showed a system before that made better sense to "me".

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 9:33am On Jan 19, 2017
diordaves:


The system as designed is just fine, a big move above what is currently being delivered in Nigeria.

Percolation rate is in relation to the size of the sceptic tank and not if discharge will occur. So if for example the percolation rate is low, then you will need a bigger sceptic tank. Discharge or percolation will almost take place in a good permeable loamy soil as evidenced in the photos. Very few people if at all carry out percolation test in Nigeria for building Soakaways. If your subsoil is clayey, a wet land or mash, a different design is needed.

With a 100 x 60 plot or 100 x 50 types of land measurement and cost in Nigeria in fully built up area, it is a struggle to meet the BS code of 15m you pointed out. Even if you build a Bungalow on a 100 x 60 plot, you will struggle to achieve a 15m distance either from your foundation or your fence work, hence the need to do it differently as I've highlighted which is a superior option.

You are so certain the water table is 1 meter below, did you apply a rule of thumb (?) as I know you did not carry out any geological survey or test as you pointed out with the percolation. Well from the site borehole results and outcome, portable water was struck at about under 100ft, so we are safe to infer that the water table should be at about 60 - 70 ft (?). Now the sceptic tank is just about 12ft deep; well enough room before the water table for the natural soil to filter the effluent.

The system will deliver. The design is from seasoned water and drain engineers sanctioned by UK Environmental Agency. We need to embrace tested international standards where applicable.

What we actually "need" is a centralized sewage processing plant.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 44chux(m): 10:05am On Jan 19, 2017
EgunMogaji:


Brabus showed a system before that made better sense to "me".
Same principle used. Metal/plastic container made the system compact and portable.

Same caution with chemicals flushed down the toilet.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 10:09am On Jan 19, 2017
44chux:

Same principle used. Metal/plastic container made the system compact and portable.

Same caution with chemicals flushed down the toilet.

Not from my perspective.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 44chux(m): 10:21am On Jan 19, 2017
EgunMogaji:


Not from my perspective.
Care to throw more light?

http://www.bioharmony.ca/treatment-systems/biocycle-system/
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 10:39am On Jan 19, 2017
44chux:

Care to throw more light?

http://www.bioharmony.ca/treatment-systems/biocycle-system/

Brabus thread should still be out there somewhere. You can search for it.

PS: Just to be clear, I'm not trying to change your mind but I've studied this septic/soakaway thing in great detail to arrive at my position.

YMMV.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by erico2k2(m): 11:01am On Jan 19, 2017
diordaves:
My Neighbour's Fence Work

The first two photos are my neighbour's fence. I'm really impressed by the handcrafted nature of the execution; no tiles, no paint; no evidenced plastering. Just handcraft. Notice the near perfect circle and the "false" brick simulation. I love it. I would have adopted it as well to give the area some semblance but I'm not a fan of high fence. I go for see-through fence. So for those how fancy high fence, I dash una.

I like see-through so I will steal the last too photos nicked from Nairaland. A good thought out fence work can really enhance the building and lift up the value of the property. We should not discount this fact.
Bro if you are living in a gated Estate see fru fence is cool, if you are not plz do High fence.
My God father had same frame of mind until fine boys visited him, for his own safty and of his family he had to move out of his N150M house to a flat inside Uniport as we are speaking.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by erico2k2(m): 11:03am On Jan 19, 2017
diordaves:
My Neighbour's Fence Work

The first two photos are my neighbour's fence. I'm really impressed by the handcrafted nature of the execution; no tiles, no paint; no evidenced plastering. Just handcraft. Notice the near perfect circle and the "false" brick simulation. I love it. I would have adopted it as well to give the area some semblance but I'm not a fan of high fence. I go for see-through fence. So for those how fancy high fence, I dash una.

I like see-through so I will steal the last too photos nicked from Nairaland. A good thought out fence work can really enhance the building and lift up the value of the property. We should not discount this fact.
The third fence needs questioning, metal under Eletric fencing? waht happens if it get bridged
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by erico2k2(m): 11:07am On Jan 19, 2017
desiji:
Finally bought Wires paid a whooping 465k for my 4 bedroom Bungalow. This is turning to a nightmare lipsrsealed
Dey thank God you bought all that is needed, cos it might still goo up, Im buying in bits now
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 11:39am On Jan 19, 2017
erico2k2:

Bro if you are living in a gated Estate see fru fence is cool, if you are not plz do High fence.
My God father had same frame of mind until fine boys visited him, for his own safty and of his family he had to move out of his N150M house to a flat inside Uniport as we are speaking.

I just sidon here dey look grin
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mavverick: 12:39pm On Jan 19, 2017
Share same ideas, in a gated place where you have like minded people and little jealousy, dwarf fence is fine. Apart from that, I like my high fence o, do ur thing, i do mine and make everybody mind thier business.



erico2k2:

Bro if you are living in a gated Estate see fru fence is cool, if you are not plz do High fence.
My God father had same frame of mind until fine boys visited him, for his own safty and of his family he had to move out of his N150M house to a flat inside Uniport as we are speaking.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mavverick: 12:41pm On Jan 19, 2017
In nija ?
Not in a gated organised estate ?

Chai !

When the pit is full, some will refuse to pay and say they only pissed and shit 2 times in that period grin.



EgunMogaji:


What we actually "need" is a centralized sewage processing plant.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Qc1(m): 12:47pm On Jan 19, 2017
mufutau55:


The leading contenders of the same quality are: Nigerchin, Coleman and Kabelmetal. Not in any order o.
I will not hesitate buying any of them... as long as they are original genuine cables. That is why I only pickup from their factory.

Hajji M.

Hajj Mufutau55

Please tell me those factories are in Lagos do that I can copy-cat you. Thanks.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Qc1(m): 12:53pm On Jan 19, 2017
mufutau55:


This xchange rate fluctuation is killing everything... Imagine, I paid N453k for Nigerchin on April 8, 2016 for 7Bedrooms duplex with two large Livingrooms and big Guard House wiring; I can't even imagine how much that will be now... You are even paying more than that for 4 bedrooms bungalow. I hope your fence is included because mine was not included and I am regretting it now. God save us o.

Hajji M.


Gotcha!!!



If I ever hear any "kobo-kobo" for your mouth again, enh..? grin grin grin

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 44chux(m): 1:14pm On Jan 19, 2017
EgunMogaji:


Brabus thread should still be out there somewhere. You can search for it.

PS: Just to be clear, I'm not trying to change your mind but I've studied this septic/soakaway thing in great detail to arrive at my position.

YMMV.
44chux:

n3xt:
Biofil Toilet Digester

n3xt:
SEPTIC TANK SYSTEM vs BIOFIL® TOILET DIGESTER

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FastShipping: 1:59pm On Jan 19, 2017
Qc1:



Gotcha!!!



If I ever hear any "kobo-kobo" for your mouth again, enh..? grin grin grin






Coleman Technical Industries Limited

Tel:01-7742592

Direct:+2348158292216

Head Office: Km 34 Lagos/Ibadan Express way, Arepo, Ogun state - Nigeria

Lagos Depot: 149/151 Idimu-Ikotun Road, Ikotun Lagos – Nigeria

e: sm@colemancables.com

w: www.colemancables.com

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by ice4u999(m): 2:17pm On Jan 19, 2017
erico2k2:

Bro if you are living in a gated Estate see fru fence is cool, if you are not plz do High fence.
My God father had same frame of mind until fine boys visited him, for his own safty and of his family he had to move out of his N150M house to a flat inside Uniport as we are speaking.


For fine boys in Naija you need high fence, broken bottles pointing up on top of the fence and then electric wire mixed with those sharp barb wires.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Qc1(m): 2:37pm On Jan 19, 2017
FastShipping:



Coleman Technical Industries Limited

Tel:01-7742592

Direct:+2348158292216

Head Office: Km 34 Lagos/Ibadan Express way, Arepo, Ogun state - Nigeria

Lagos Depot: 149/151 Idimu-Ikotun Road, Ikotun Lagos – Nigeria

e: sm@colemancables.com

w: www.colemancables.com

Thanks.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by twinskenny(m): 2:43pm On Jan 19, 2017
Qc1:


Thanks.





Sometime is cheaper buying from distributors...
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by joan2016(f): 4:09pm On Jan 19, 2017
Want to contact with you.You mail pls ?
diordaves:
Two Chambers Sceptic Tank leading to a Soakaway system

A septic tank receives all of the wastewater from the house, including toilet, laundry, bathroom and kitchen waste. The main purpose of a septic tank is to separate the solid material and allow the sludge formed to undergo a process known as anaerobic digestion. This has the effect of reducing the sludge volume and therefore the frequency of septic tank emptying by vacuum tanker.

The effluent from a septic tank is disposed of to a soakaway. This should not be allowed to be discharge to a ditch or stream. Such a discharge is a public health risk as done in Nigeria.

The components of a septic tank soakaway system are the septic tank, which in traditionally built systems can be one or two chambers, and the underground soakaway network.

Anaerobic digestion takes place within the septic tank whereby anaerobic micro-organisms develop and partially degrade the receiving wastewater. Within the septic tank solids settle to the floor of the tank and materials such as tissue float to the top of the liquids and form a scum layer.

Within traditionally built tanks there are normally ‘T’ pipes located on the inlet and outlet. The purpose of ‘T’ pipes is to prevent floating material and settled solids from passing through the septic tank and into the soakaway network. Please see photos below.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by joan2016(f): 4:22pm On Jan 19, 2017
Plastic 3 chambers septic tank did it.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2ixFfTUoAAEGCc.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1vXiqzUsAA2Fnk.jpg:large




diordaves:
Sceptic Tank and Soakaway Pit: Getting the Perspective right

Lets revisit the Sceptic tank and soakaway system as built in Nigeria; the traditional sceptic tank and soakaway system as designed and delivered in Nigeria is not working both as a safe store and treatment of waste. The current Sceptic tank and soakaway system in Nigeria is very damaging to the environment and the ground water.

A Septic Tank is a form of holding chamber utilising a form of internal construction to slow down the flow through the tank unit. The outlet from the septic tank leads to a soakaway system below the ground surface. Sewage enters via the inlet T pipe and discharges to the lower of the tank. Gravity pulls the solids in the sewage to the base and via anaerobic biological action, a scum layer can form on the surface. Effluent (with a very low solids content ) leaves via the outlet T pipe. This can then enter a second or third chamber and then lead to a soakaway drainage system.The basic principle is to remove as much of the solids content from the final effluent as possible.

It is clear that the way we construct sceptic/soakaway in Nigeria doesn't meet or conform to the above requirement. This call for change.

There are chiefly two Sceptic Tank systems leading to a Soakaway: the single chamber and the two chambers. In Nigeria we adopt the single chamber system albeit half measuredly. Please see photos below. You will notice the plumbing works to process the waste for onward transmission to the Soakaway. But we build Sceptic tank just as a storage tank underground WITHOUT plumbing work to treat the waste. When the sceptic tank is full, we evacuate it and dump the waste in the nearest lagoon or river with total disregard for public health. So we contract typhoid fever here and there and we wonder how and why.

SINGLE CHAMBER SCEPTIC TANK

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