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Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Mickey02(m): 8:00am On Jan 27, 2017
Rubbish rubbish n rubbish!!!!!!
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Splinz(m): 2:41pm On Jan 30, 2017
Bump!
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Hairyrapunzel: 8:56pm On Jan 30, 2017
Splinz:


Do you believe there's only one true church according to Scriptures?

Anyways, like I told someone already, if you believe there's such a Church, seek for it diligently and you'll surely find. As a clue to help you, the true Church is kept in the Father's name (John 17:12) and lives according to every word that comes out of the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4). And lastly, the true Church is completely out of the world (John 17:16)- it's customs, traditions and false knowledge. This Church is sanctified- set apart, in the truth (John 17:17).

These clues should help you know what to look out for. I was never told there's such a church, God in His mercies led me to it.

How does John 17:12 is not referring to any church Jesus Christ was praying for his disciples read well from the beginning and understand the whole chapter. Matthew 4:4 was not talking about any church Jesus Christ was being tempted by Satan John 17:16 and 17 he was still praying for his disciples. It doesn't refer to a particular church. STOP misquoting the bible stop lying so people will buy your message stop spreading false knowledge. Matt 4:4 and John 17: 12, 16 &17 do not tell the same stories. Is that what your religion teaches you? In that case it is a religion made of confused people and lead by a confused God that leads his people to misquoting verses and using verses out of context in which they are used
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Splinz(m): 9:06pm On Jan 30, 2017
Hairyrapunzel:


How does John 17:12 is not referring to any church Jesus Christ was praying for his disciples read well from the beginning and understand the whole chapter. Matthew 4:4 was not talking about any church Jesus Christ was being tempted by Satan John 17:16 and 17 he was still praying for his disciples. It doesn't refer to a particular church. STOP misquoting the bible stop lying so people will buy your message stop spreading false knowledge.

Ignorance at its peak. Who are the disciples and who/what is the Church

If I were you, I'd rather ask for a proof that the true Church is just one, instead of a needless show of ignorance!
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Hairyrapunzel: 9:21pm On Jan 30, 2017
Splinz:


Ignorance at its peak. Who are the disciples and who/what is the Church

If I were you, I'd rather ask for a proof that the true Church is just one, instead of a needless show of ignorance!

The true Church is not the church you belong to cause no true church will misquote the bible and use the bible out of context. So as Jesus was talking to Satan in matt 4:4 so Satan is a member of the true Church.
The disciples are Jesus followers. If you are a follower of Jesus Christ you are a christian. Christians are his followers. No place did they refer to any particular church that is what I meant. He prayed for his followers. The church consists of all Jesus followers throughout history not a particular denomination or sect.
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Splinz(m): 9:32pm On Jan 30, 2017
Hairyrapunzel:


The true Church is not the church you belong to cause no true church will misquote the bible and use the bible out of context. So as Jesus was talking to Satan in matt 4:4 so Satan is a member of the true Church.
The disciples are Jesus followers. If you are a follower of Jesus Christ you are a christian. Christians are his followers. No place did they refer to any particular church that is what I meant. He prayed for his followers

Hmm. Sorry friend, Jesus wasn't just talking to Satan, He was simply quoting the Scriptures (Deu. 8:3). The true Church practice & kept it as a way of life just as God wants.

As hard as it may be for you, the truth as contained in the Bible is that the true Church as established by Christ Himself (Matt. 16:18) is just ONE. Ask for these truths and answers shall be provided, not arguing blindly.
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Hairyrapunzel: 9:38pm On Jan 30, 2017
Splinz:


Ignorance at its peak. Who are the disciples and who/what is the Church

If I were you, I'd rather ask for a proof that the true Church is just one, instead of a needless show of ignorance!

Stop lying by saying there is one true church so Jesus and God has told you that your church is the true Church. STOP misquoting verses and stop using verses out of the original context in which it is used. Matthew 4: 4 and John 17 are not talking about the same circumstances. You are the ignorant person here. The true Church will not misquote the bible. What I know is this if you claim your particular denomination or sect or organisation the only way to get salvation then you are not a false church. No organisation or sect or denomination by any means should take the place of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the true church
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Splinz(m): 9:48pm On Jan 30, 2017
Hairyrapunzel:


Stop lying by saying there is one true church so Jesus and God has told you that your church is the true Church. STOP misquoting verses and stop using verses out of the original context in which it is used. Matthew 4: 4 and John 17 are not talking about the same circumstances. You are the ignorant person here. The true Church will not misquote the bible. What I know is this if you claim your particular denomination or sect or organisation the only way to get salvation then you are not a false church. No organisation or sect or denomination by any means should take the place of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the true church

Stop arguing blindly, it will do you no good.

The true Church is just one. I didn't say it, God did in His word.
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Hairyrapunzel: 10:07pm On Jan 30, 2017
Splinz:


Hmm. Sorry friend, Jesus wasn't just talking to Satan, He was simply quoting the Scriptures (Deu. 8:3). The true Church practice & kept it as a way of life just as God wants.

What I mean is that in matt 4:4 Jesus was in a conversation with Satan and he quoted the scriptures in the scriptures it said man not a particular church or particular set of disciples that passage basically refers to and signify that bread, or ordinary sustenance, is not necessary to support the life of man; that God can feed and sustain him by other means. Jesus was praying for his disciples in John 17 in this particular scenerio he was with his disciples and he wasn't quoting any Scripture he prayed that they might be kept from sin, strengthened for their duty, and brought safe to heaven. He did not pray that his disciples should be removed out of the world, that they might escape the rage of men, for they had a great work to do for the glory of God, and the benefit of mankind. My point is stop misquoting and stop using verses in the bible out of context. They are two separate stories and don't refer to a particular church.

Any church or organisation or denomination or sect that claims it is the only way to get salvation is in fact a false church. Nobody or organisation or denomination or sect should take the place of Jesus Christ. You don't have to belong to a particular church to be saved. The true Church is Jesus Christ
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Hairyrapunzel: 10:15pm On Jan 30, 2017
Splinz:


Hmm. Sorry friend, Jesus wasn't just talking to Satan, He was simply quoting the Scriptures (Deu. 8:3). The true Church practice & kept it as a way of life just as God wants.

As hard as it may be for you, the truth as contained in the Bible is that the true Church as established by Christ Himself (Matt. 16:18) is just ONE. Ask for these truths and answers shall be provided, not arguing blindly.


Did I say the true church is two or more? There is not blind argument here. The true Church is built by Jesus Christ and as His followers we belong to it. Any church or organisation that claims it is the only way to salvation is a false church. Jesus is the way the truth and the life
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Splinz(m): 10:27pm On Jan 30, 2017
Hairyrapunzel:


What I mean is that in matt 4:4 Jesus was in a conversation with Satan and he quoted the scriptures in the scriptures it said man not a particular church or particular set of disciples that passage basically refers to and signify that bread, or ordinary sustenance, is not necessary to support the life of man; that God can feed and sustain him by other means. Jesus was praying for his disciples in John 17 in this particular scenerio he was with his disciples and he wasn't quoting any Scripture he prayed that they might be kept from sin, strengthened for their duty, and brought safe to heaven. He did not pray that his disciples should be removed out of the world, that they might escape the rage of men, for they had a great work to do for the glory of God, and the benefit of mankind. My point is stop misquoting and stop using verses in the bible out of context. They are two separate stories and don't refer to a particular church.

Any church or organisation or denomination or sect that claims it is the only way to get salvation is in fact a false church. Nobody or organisation or denomination or sect should take the place of Jesus Christ. You don't have to belong to a particular church to be saved. The true Church is Jesus Christ

Funny. Ironically, you're the one quoting Scriptures out of context. For the Bible plainly says "man shall not live by bread alone but by every WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God". But in your twisted and ridiculous interpretation, you said it is talking of God providing in "other means". Really funny bro.

I know this is a hard saying to someone like you. But the truth is: the true Church is ONE!


PS: Look out for the Greek word translated "CHURCH", and its meaning. Help enlighten yourself by asking for Scriptural proofs that the Church is one. I don't argue blindly.
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Hairyrapunzel: 10:33pm On Jan 30, 2017
Splinz:


Stop arguing blindly, it will do you no good.

The true Church is just one. I didn't say it, God did in His word.

Matt 16 vs 13 to 20 13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[b] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.


From the above passage it was Jesus that said it and i am glad you know Jesus is God. Secondly Jesus did not tell Peter that he will build his one and only true church through him. Jesus said I will build my church.it is Jesus Christ’s church and we belong to it. Did Jesus tell you there is one true church? Do not misquote the bible.
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Splinz(m): 10:36pm On Jan 30, 2017
Hairyrapunzel:


Did I say the true church is two or more? There is not blind argument here. The true Church is built by Jesus Christ and as His followers we belong to it. Any church or organisation that claims it is the only way to salvation is a false church. Jesus is the way the truth and the life

Oh, you now know that the true Church is one? Hope you're not confusing yourself by thinking Jesus is the Church? Remember Matthew 16:18.
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Splinz(m): 10:45pm On Jan 30, 2017
Hairyrapunzel:


Matt 16 vs 13 to 20 13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[b] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.


From the above passage it was Jesus that said it and i am glad you know Jesus is God. Secondly Jesus did not tell Peter that he will build his one and only true church through him. Jesus said I will build my church.it is Jesus Christ’s church and we belong to it. Did Jesus tell you there is one true church? Do not misquote the bible.

How do you belong to the Church Jesus built and is still building when you do not know or accept that His Church is just ONE? Yes! The Bible says the Church is just one.


P: While you're at it, also know that the Bible does not teach that heaven is the reward of the saved.

Or can you prove it according to Scriptures
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Hairyrapunzel: 10:46pm On Jan 30, 2017
Splinz:


Funny. Ironically, you're the one quoting Scriptures out of context. For the Bible plainly says "man shall not live by bread alone but by every WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God". But in your twisted and ridiculous interpretation, you said it is talking of God providing in "other means". Really funny bro.

I know this is a hard saying to someone like you. But the truth is: the true Church is ONE!


PS: Look out for the Greek word translated "CHURCH", and its meaning. Help enlighten yourself by asking for Scriptural proofs that the Church is one. I don't argue blindly.

Matthew 4: 1- 4 1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’

From the above it is obvious you don't know what that verse is all about always read a chapter or some verses in that chapter don't choose just a verse and give it a whole new interpretation there was a reason for Jesus quoting the verse. As christians life is not sustained by just eating food it is sustained by God. You have to live according to God's words and in God there is longevity and a fufilled life. IF YOUR ORGANISATION CLAIMS TO BE THE ONLY ROUTE FOR SALVATION IT IS A FALSE CHURCH.
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Hairyrapunzel: 10:49pm On Jan 30, 2017
Splinz:


How do you belong to the Church Jesus built and is still building when you do not know or accept that His Church is just ONE?


P: While you're at it, also know that the Bible does not teach that heaven is the reward of the saved.

Or can you prove it according to Scriptures

Do not change the topic. Jesus said I will build my church He didnt say i will build one and only true church through you. JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE HE NEVER SAID HIS CHURCH IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
Jesus referred to his followers as his church he didn't say believe in my church and you will be saved.He said believe in me
ANY CHURCH OR ORGANISATION OR DENOMINATION OR SECT CLAIMS IT IS THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY WAY OBTAIN SALVATION IS NOT A CHURCH IT IS A CULT.

Be presenting your no true scottsman fallacy for me. IT IS EITHER IT IS A CHURCH OR NOT. as far as people are followers of Jesus Christ they belong to the Church. I belong to Jesus Christ’s church. STOP misquoting scriptures and using them out of context. I am a christian
From your argument I can see you are a jehovah's witness stop lying behind the how do you know the one true religion. You people like misquoting and using scriptures out of context and your argumental is based on fallacies

your reasoning is this: the bible says Jesus said through Peter he will build his church. Watchtower says this means Jesus was talking about one true church. So because watchtower has said it is the one true church so it is the one true church.

You know watchtower has the truth because watchtower told you it (watchtower) has the truth. I REPEAT ANY ORGANISATION THAT CLAIMS TO BE THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION IS A CULT.
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Splinz(m): 10:55pm On Jan 30, 2017
Hairyrapunzel:


Matthew 4: 1- 4 1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’

From the above it is obvious you don't know what that verse is all about always read a chapter or some verses in that chapter don't choose just a verse and give it a whole new interpretation there was a reason for Jesus quoting the verse. As christians life is not sustained by just eating food it is sustained by God. You have to live according to God's words and in God there is longevity and a fufilled life. IF YOUR ORGANISATION CLAIMS TO BE THE ONLY ROUTE FOR SALVATION IT IS A FALSE CHURCH.


Are you confused? Didn't I say the Church lives according to Matthew 4:4, and what's contrary to yours now?

When you're ready to learn according to Scriptures that the true Church is ONE, let me know.
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Splinz(m): 10:58pm On Jan 30, 2017
Hairyrapunzel:


I am not changing topic. Jesus said I will build my church. So you and your organisation say it is one true church Jesus said you people are just liars

So where is the Church Jesus built?
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Hairyrapunzel: 11:23pm On Jan 30, 2017
Splinz:


So where is the Church Jesus built?

Why use fallacies use logical reasoning. The church are Jesus followers.
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Hairyrapunzel: 11:31pm On Jan 30, 2017
Splinz:


Are you confused? Didn't I say the Church lives according to Matthew 4:4, and what's contrary to yours now?

When you're ready to learn according to Scriptures that the true Church is ONE, let me know.

Jesus didn't imply that is it the one true church he was referring to in matthew 4:4. The church is in one body with Christ Jesus. It is not a particular denomination or sect or organisation that is what I mean.
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Splinz(m): 11:42pm On Jan 30, 2017
Hairyrapunzel:


Why use fallacies use logical reasoning. The church are Jesus followers.

You see your life! But when I showed you that Jesus was actually praying for His Church in John 17, you said no, that He was praying for His disciples/followers.

But all of a sudden, you've found it convenient now to identified the Church as the same thing as His followers. How hypocritical can you be

Height of hypocrisy!
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Hairyrapunzel: 12:00am On Jan 31, 2017
Splinz:


You see your life! But when I showed you that Jesus was actually praying for His Church in John 17, you said no, that He was praying for His disciples/followers.

But all of a sudden, you've found it convenient now to identified the Church as the same thing as His followers. How hypocritical can you be

Height of hypocrisy!

It isn't hypocritical I thought you meant the true church is one particular church. I didn't read the last line in your comment with verses. My bad. We are on thesame page
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Hairyrapunzel: 12:03am On Jan 31, 2017
Splinz:


You see your life! But when I showed you that Jesus was actually praying for His Church in John 17, you said no, that He was praying for His disciples/followers.

But all of a sudden, you've found it convenient now to identified the Church as the same thing as His followers. How hypocritical can you be

Height of hypocrisy!

It isn't hypocrisy. I thought you meant the true church meant belonging to a particular church. My bad. sorry.
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Splinz(m): 12:28am On Jan 31, 2017
Hairyrapunzel:


It isn't hypocritical I thought you meant the true church is one particular church. I didn't read the last line in your comment with verses. My bad. We are on thesame page


Sorry too, but the true Church is still one. I don't think we're on the same page.

I only used John 17 to show you the characteristics of the true Church just as Jesus prayed. For example, how it is completely out of the world- its customs, traditions, false knowledge. Also, it is sanctified- set apart, by the truth, i.e, the truths practice and kept by the true Church set them apart from all others.

Read John 17 again. This time, pay great attention to the kind of Church Jesus is praying for, and then make comparism with yours or others you know, to see if they fit.

You have not ask for proofs of the true Church- a singular organization. Ask for it.
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Hairyrapunzel: 1:42am On Jan 31, 2017
Splinz:


Sorry too, but the true Church is still one. I don't think we're on the same page.

I only used John 17 to show you the characteristics of the true Church just as Jesus prayed. For example, how it is completely out of the world- its customs, traditions, false knowledge. Also, it is sanctified- set apart, by the truth, i.e, the truths practice and kept by the true Church set them apart from all others.

Read John 17 again. This time, pay great attention to the kind of Church Jesus is praying for, and then make comparism with yours or others you know, to see if they fit.

You have not ask for proofs of the true Church- a singular organization. Ask for it.


If you like belong to your singular organisation and call it the true church. For me There is no singular organisation. There is no particular organisation that Jesus Christ ordained as the true church. There is nothing called true church. Like I said it is either a church or not. Like I said before any organisation that claims that unless by joining it you cannot be saved is a cult.

It is either you are a follower of Jesus Christ or you are not. There is nothing like the one true church in the bible and Jesus never said the church he was talking about is a singular organisation.

If you like give the proof your organisation gave you to conclude that they are the one true religion i will refute it. As far as the bible is clear on church and how christians should behave.

IMAGINE THE STATEMENT BELOW.
You know your organisation is the true church because your organisation told you they( ie your organisation) are the true church and they (your organisation ) gave you the proof that they(your organisation ) is the one true religion - this is a faulty reasoning


Maybe your organisation your only true church to me it is not the true church the bible never said Jesus will select a particular organisation to be His one true church. Jesus said church not one true church. You can't sell watchtower crap to me and you can't recruit me into your cult.
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Splinz(m): 7:51am On Jan 31, 2017
Hairyrapunzel:



If you like belong to your singular organisation and call it the true church. For me There is no singular organisation. There is no particular organisation that Jesus Christ ordained as the true church. There is nothing called true church. Like I said it is either a church or not. Like I said before any organisation that claims that unless by joining it you cannot be saved is a cult.

It is either you are a follower of Jesus Christ or you are not. There is nothing like the one true church in the bible and Jesus never said the church he was talking about is a singular organisation.

If you like give the proof your organisation gave you to conclude that they are the one true religion i will refute it. As far as the bible is clear on church and how christians should behave.

IMAGINE THE STATEMENT BELOW.
You know your organisation is the true church because your organisation told you they( ie your organisation) are the true church and they (your organisation ) gave you the proof that they(your organisation ) is the one true religion - this is a faulty reasoning


Maybe your organisation your only true church to me it is not the true church the bible never said Jesus will select a particular organisation to be His one true church. Jesus said church not one true church. You can't sell watchtower crap to me and you can't recruit me into your cult.

Wild accusations and silly assumptions.

The WatchTower is not the true church. I know your fears- that your church is false, but it's the stark truth. The great false "woman" church of Rev. 17 known as "Babylon the great" is a mother of protesting children. And this children, though break away, are still part of their mother system!

The Bible records that the BODY of Christ is just ONE and He heads just it. If you like, keep deceiving yourself with your false hope of the church being an unending groups of disagreeing organizations of men, solely into church BUSINESS and teaching all manner of errors.

There's only ONE TRUE CHURCH HEADED BY JESUS CHRIST!
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Hairyrapunzel: 8:05am On Jan 31, 2017
Splinz:


Sorry too, but the true Church is still one. I don't think we're on the same page.

I only used John 17 to show you the characteristics of the true Church just as Jesus prayed. For example, how it is completely out of the world- its customs, traditions, false knowledge. Also, it is sanctified- set apart, by the truth, i.e, the truths practice and kept by the true Church set them apart from all others.

Read John 17 again. This time, pay great attention to the kind of Church Jesus is praying for, and then make comparism with yours or others you know, to see if they fit.

You have not ask for proofs of the true Church- a singular organization. Ask for it.

There is nothing like a one true church and there is nothing like a singular organisation being the one true church
ANY ORGANISATION THAT CLAIMS TO BE THE ONLY MEANS BY WHICH PEOPLE CAN OBTAIN SALVATION IS A CULT

IMAGINE THE STATEMENT BELOW

I KNOW MY ORGANISATION IS THE ONE TRUE CHURCH BECAUSE THEY ( MY ORGANISATION ) TOLD ME SO AND I HAVE PROOF BECAUSE THEY (MY ORGANISATION ) TOLD ME THEY (MY ORGANISATION ) TOLD ME THEY HAVE PROOF SO THIS MAKES THEM (MY ORGANISATION) THE ONE TRUE RELIGION.

The Bible talks of juSt church but your organisation translates this church to mean one true church which is their organisation. You shouldn't say that matt 16: 18 is related to matt 4:4 or John 17: 12,16,&17 and they mean same thing and was referring to a singular organization. The word "Organization" does not appear in the Bible. It is either you are a follower of Jesus Christ or you are not.

It was under the guidance of Holy Spirit that followers of Jesus accomplished their work. Matt 18:20 . 20 For where two or three gather together in My name, there am I with them.” if Jesus Christ wanted a single organisation to be the one true church he would have stated it in the bible. You wanna tell me that God is not all knowing right? And he doesn't know the things to put in the bible.

And don't ever bring any religion down because you want to sell your cult propaganda. It is wrong. So Jesus said his church is a singular organisation? This statement of JESUS CHRIST CHURCH BEING A SINGULAR ORGANIZATION IS NOT BIBLICAL. I CHOOSE THE BIBLE IF YOU LIKE CHOOSE YOUR MAGAZINE.

I KNOW YOU are a Jehovah's witness they are the only ones that always try to bring the Catholic Church down. Your organisation is built on the hatred it has for catholic church. And Jesus Christ church is not and never going to be built on hatred for any religion
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Hairyrapunzel: 8:15am On Jan 31, 2017
Splinz:


Wild accusations and silly assumptions.

The WatchTower is not the true church. I know your fears- that your church is false, but it's the stark truth. The great false "woman" church of Rev. 17 known as "Babylon the great" is a mother of protesting children. And this children, though break away, are still part of their mother system!

The Bible records that the BODY of Christ is just ONE and He heads just it. If you like, keep deceiving yourself with your false hope of the church being an unending groups of disagreeing organizations of men, solely into church BUSINESS and teaching all manner of errors.

There's only ONE TRUE CHURCH HEADED BY JESUS CHRIST!
Propagandist. Your argument is based on fallacies. There are over 34,000 christian sects. Each claim they are the one true church. How are you so sure your own is the one true church? I AM A FOLLOWER OF JESUS CHRIST I DON'T HAVE TO IDENTIFY WITH A SINGULAR ORGANIZATION MAKE ME A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST.

AND MIND YOU I NEVER SAID I BELONGED TO A SINGULAR ORGANIZATION CLAIMING TO BE THE ONE TRUE CHURCH
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Splinz(m): 12:14pm On Jan 31, 2017
Hairyrapunzel:


There is nothing like a one true church and there is nothing like a singular organisation being the one true church
ANY ORGANISATION THAT CLAIMS TO BE THE ONLY MEANS BY WHICH PEOPLE CAN OBTAIN SALVATION IS A CULT

IMAGINE THE STATEMENT BELOW

I KNOW MY ORGANISATION IS THE ONE TRUE CHURCH BECAUSE THEY ( MY ORGANISATION ) TOLD ME SO AND I HAVE PROOF BECAUSE THEY (MY ORGANISATION ) TOLD ME THEY (MY ORGANISATION ) TOLD ME THEY HAVE PROOF SO THIS MAKES THEM (MY ORGANISATION) THE ONE TRUE RELIGION.

The Bible talks of juSt church but your organisation translates this church to mean one true church which is their organisation. You shouldn't say that matt 16: 18 is related to matt 4:4 or John 17: 12,16,&17 and they mean same thing and was referring to a singular organization. The word "Organization" does not appear in the Bible. It is either you are a follower of Jesus Christ or you are not.

It was under the guidance of Holy Spirit that followers of Jesus accomplished their work. Matt 18:20 . 20 For where two or three gather together in My name, there am I with them.” if Jesus Christ wanted a single organisation to be the one true church he would have stated it in the bible. You wanna tell me that God is not all knowing right? And he doesn't know the things to put in the bible.

And don't ever bring any religion down because you want to sell your cult propaganda. It is wrong. So Jesus said his church is a singular organisation? This statement of JESUS CHRIST CHURCH BEING A SINGULAR ORGANIZATION IS NOT BIBLICAL. I CHOOSE THE BIBLE IF YOU LIKE CHOOSE YOUR MAGAZINE.

I KNOW YOU are a Jehovah's witness they are the only ones that always try to bring the Catholic Church down. Your organisation is built on the hatred it has for catholic church. And Jesus Christ church is not and never going to be built on hatred for any religion


I wonder how saying the truth has amounted to hatred. Again, I repeat, I am not a JW neither is it the true Church. All your wild accusations are at best baseless and blind, because you've refused to learn sound teachings straight from your Bible.

I'd advice you to be like the Bereans, whom on hearing the things Paul was teaching them, did not argue blindly with him but simply searched the Scriptures to see if those things he was teaching them was so (Acts 17:11).

I'm not cut out for your blind arguments. I made claims and also said I have proofs from the same Bible that you and I used. But instead of asking for these proofs if indeed you're a lover of the truth, you're here ranting. Who does that


PS: If you're too scared to hear these stark truths, at least provide me with yours- that the reward of the saved is to go to heaven. I want to learn of this belief of yours, since I'm not in the know. So bro, here's a great chance to prove me wrong.
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Splinz(m): 2:05pm On Jan 31, 2017
Hairyrapunzel:

Propagandist. Your argument is based on fallacies. There are over 34,000 christian sects. Each claim they are the one true church. How are you so sure your own is the one true church? I AM A FOLLOWER OF JESUS CHRIST I DON'T HAVE TO IDENTIFY WITH A SINGULAR ORGANIZATION MAKE ME A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST.

AND MIND YOU I NEVER SAID I BELONGED TO A SINGULAR ORGANIZATION CLAIMING TO BE THE ONE TRUE CHURCH



You need to check the meaning of a "propagandist" again. You've not even seen the facts yet you called them fallacies. Again, who does that

Understand something here. While faith is very important, the Bible also say "prove ALL things" (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Note, it didn't say "some things, and believe others by faith" but "ALL". If God said we should prove our beliefs/faith, then why are you death scared of seeking for proofs that the true Church is ONE just like there's only one true Jesus Christ? Or is Christ divided (1 Cor. 1:13)
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Splinz(m): 9:48pm On Feb 22, 2017
Bump!
Re: The True Founder And History Of The Catholic Church. by Nobody: 3:58pm On Mar 28, 2017
Smh! Even @Engima was better than this grin

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