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| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by wolesmile(m): 10:37am On Feb 15, 2017 |
Demmzy15: Exactly the way he required Israelites to do his killings for him in the old testament.... killing thousands, raping innocent virgin girls, killing innocent children and destroying whole towns and villages. Do you read your Bible at all? |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by plainbibletruth: 10:53am On Feb 15, 2017 |
Empiree: You muslims have been schooled to speak from both sides of your mouths. You've been taught diversionary tactics and other forms of deceit. Of course this started from your 'hero' and you guys mimic him very well as you are doing very well here. Morality meant nothing to him, and it would seem is same to you too. The end justified the means for him, and you his modern day pupils are following the same path. Tell me, who would you rather believe; a thief, rapist, torturer and an unstable person OR a selfless, caring and considerate person? If you choose wrongly your eternity is at stake. You have been warned! 4 Likes |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by plappville(f): 12:17pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
Kaysalas: Ok. Ioannes: I have the book in my phone. I Downloaded from a link the OP provided. I think the link no longer exist. I can whatsapp it. Not email. |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by plappville(f): 12:23pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: Very good questions...  1 Like |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by SINZ: 12:35pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
Can someone please point me to a link to download it? Thanks  |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 12:41pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
plainbibletruth:talk talk talk is cheap. What's your definition of underage please? |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by plappville(f): 1:00pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
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| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Demmzy15(m): 1:14pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
wolesmile:I'm not a Christian!  1 Like |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 1:14pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
plainbibletruth:In as much as you refused to tell us your definition of underage, let's move forward. Asking you again to provide evidence of even the worst enemies of the prophet Muhammad(saw) if they ever complained about his marriage to Aisha. If you have none then, you need to be quiet for real. Also, you act like you dont know age of consent in the Christian world. Now let's review befoere you start ruining your mouth again. Jewish And Christian Ages of Consent. Here are some quotes offered by Brother Jesus regarding the age of consent concerning the Bible and Jewish traditions, the interesting thing to note here is that the post-modern ages of consent we see in the Western world are not Biblical. Hence, the ages of consent in Christian America and Christian Europe are not in line with the Bible as the Biblical teaching is in fact puberty which can take place as early as 8 years of age. Are American and British ages of consent Biblical? No. The Bible provides no foundation for fixing a minimum age, that much is evidently clear. So this sounds like Islamic approach as well. what's your fuss with Nabi Muhammad(saw)? Carol L. Meyers writes: “The Bible gives us no indication as to the age of marriage for women, which would not be appreciably different from the age at which childbearing begins. However, based on the tenuous calculations of the marriage age of certain Judean kings (e.g. Josiah: age 14; Amon: 14) and the rabbinic stipulation of twelve as the minimum age of marriage for girls and thirteen for boys, an early age for marriage can be presumed (de Vaux 1961: 29). Similarly, the relatively short life spans of the ancient world, particularly in plague epochs, would lead to the conclusion that marriage took place soon after puberty, with betrothal preceding marriage perhaps by many years.” (Meyers, C. L. (1996). Procreation, Production, and Protection: Male-Female Balance in Early Israel. In Charles E. Carter & Carol L. Meyers (eds.), Community, Identity, and Ideology: Social Sciences Approaches to the Hebrew Bible. United States: Eisenbrauns. p. 507) Referring to De Vaux whom is cited by Meyers he wrote: “The Bible gives us no information about the age at which girls are married. The practice of marrying the eldest first was not universal (Gn 29:26). On the other hand, it seems certain that girls, and therefore presumably boys too, were married very young; for centuries this has been the custom of the East, and in many places it still obtains to-day.” (De Vaux, R. (1997). Ancient Israel: Its Life and Institutions (John McHugh, trans.). Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. EerdmansPublishing Co. p. 29) Age of marriage is puberty according to the Bible: Do You See That ^^^^ that's EXACTLY what Islam says as well. When did you daughter first noticed her period Mr. plainbibletruth?. Why are you not following the Bible?. Dont you tink you have been hypocrite by poking your nose on Islamic prophet's marriage to Aisha(ra)? We have already seen Ezekiel 16 being used as a proof text by a Christian apologist to show the Biblical age of consent is puberty: Your breasts were formed and your hair grew, you who were naked and bare. 8 " 'Later I passed by, and when I looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love... [taken from Ezekiel 16] See here for more information on this see: http://thefactsaboutislam..co.uk/2013/07/age-of-consent-in-bible-is-puberty.html Scholar Nisan Rubin writes: “Grooms could marry at the age of 18-20 (or older) with a young girl, twelve years old, who had “reached puberty.”… The ideal was to marry off girls while still minors, since they constituted an economic burden…” (Rubin, N. (2008). Time and Life Cycle in Talmud and Midrash. Brighton, Massachusetts: Academic Studies Press. p. 16) http://thefactsaboutislam..com/2013/07/jewish-and-christian-ages-of-consent.html |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 1:28pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
plainbibletruth, read more Young girls were usually betrothed as soon as they became women. It was believed they reached puberty at about twelve or twelve and a half.” (Deiss, L. (1996). Joseph, Mary, Jesus (Madeleine Beaumont, trans.). Collegeville, Minnesota: The Liturgical Press. p. 25). “The women normally married as soon as they were physically able to bear children, which the Law defined as twelve and a half years of age. (Zanzig, T. (1999). Jesus of History, Christ of Faith. Terrace Heights, Winona: Saint Mary’s Press, Christian Brothers Publication. p. 89) How old was Mary (p)? “How old could Mary have been? Young girls were usually betrothed as soon as they became women. It was believed they reached puberty at about twelve or twelve and a half.” (Deiss, L. (1996). Joseph, Mary, Jesus (Madeleine Beaumont, trans.). Collegeville, Minnesota: The Liturgical Press. p. 25) “The women normally married as soon as they were physically able to bear children, which the Law defined as twelve and a half years of age. Mary, the mother of Jesus, was probably no older than fourteen when she bore him.” (Zanzig, T. (1999). Jesus of History, Christ of Faith. Terrace Heights, Winona: Saint Mary’s Press, Christian Brothers Publication. p. 89) Echoing the same viewpoint Dr. Eugene Weitzel states: “He knew too that girls were ready for marriage as soon as they were physically ready to conceive and bear children, which according to the law was twelve and one-half years. Mary, the mother of Jesus, was probably no more than fourteen years old when she gave birth to the Son of God.” (Weitzel, E. J. (2010). I Want to Be a Husband and Father for Life and a Catholic Priest Forever. U.S.: Xilbris Corporation. p. 113) And you said marrying "a child started with Muhammad(saw). Read this Are Jews allowed to betroth prepubescent girls? Yes. “There is less evidence regarding female age at marriage . As noted , the overwhelming impression given in the legal sources is that fathers betrothed their daughters while they were still minors .” SOURCE: Michael L. Satlow in ‘Jewish Marriage in Antiquity’,pg.107 Apart from the controversial quotes above we can easily see that there is no age of consent for Christians and Jews - the standard is puberty. This is something Christians should be aware of - especially those ignorant ones who busy themselves insulting other faiths (namely Islam) for having the same Biblical teaching of puberty being the minimum age of consummation of a marriage.   The Writer Hit The Nail Sadly many Christians are whitewashed into thinking the laws in the America or Britain are Christian. They are not. Just because America and some European countries profess to be 'Christian' nations it does not mean every law in that country is Biblical. Think about it, do you really think the allowance of pornography, sex outside marriage, homosexual acts and gambling are Biblical just because 'Christian' America allows such? The same applies to American and British ages of consent - they are not from Christianity or Judaism. SOURCE http://thefactsaboutislam..com/2013/07/jewish-and-christian-ages-of-consent.html So before you run your mouth, kindly look in the mirror. You understand me hypocrite? Dont you ever ever condemn Islamic prophet. |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by wolesmile(m): 1:28pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
Demmzy15:My mistake. Should have checked your posts first. It wasn't you I wanted to reply. It was that guy you replied, parisbook-whatever. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by wolesmile(m): 1:32pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
parisbookaddict: Exactly the way he required Israelites to do his killings for him in the old testament.... killing thousands, raping innocent virgin girls, killing innocent children and destroying whole towns and villages. Do you read your Bible at all? |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by plainbibletruth: 2:28pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
Empiree: Relax!! Before you (conveniently) forget: You refused to answer my EARLIER questions – diversionary tactic – and now you’re using your questions to cover up your inabilities and you want me to be DECEIVED by you? Remember these? Where in the quran does it talk about living in peace with others? – You didn’t answer. How do you reconcile the quran’s HATE LANGUAGE and HOSTILITY to non-muslims with islam’s PROPAGANDA machinery today that says the quran talks about PEACE with others and that it is accommodating toward non-muslims? – You didn’t answer. What are your views on the comparisons in the table (on Jesus and mohammed) presented to you to comment on? – No reply! You can choose to run to ANY SOURCE you want to seek justification for your position on mohammed’s pedophilic life – it would still be part of your DECEPTION tactic. But you CANNOT find the BIBLE supporting you on this. On the other hand, if we are to STICK to your “holy books” we can unearth much ROT (which are FACTS for that matter) about the life of your hero prophet – hard nut for you to handle? I think you are the one who needs to look in the mirror and see if you are not a hypocrite. 3 Likes |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Kaysalas(m): 3:33pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
plappville:O.k go ryt ahead. Thanks I got it. Thanks |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Alennsar(f): 3:51pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
wolesmile:yes 1st Samuel 15:3 |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Kaysalas(m): 3:53pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
Empiree:Empiree! Having not read the book in itself but having seen the comments here(for and against) I think it is high time you just kept quiet! You r now trying to justify Mohammed' s acts with actions of westerners. Please just ignore the thread if all you can do now is posting such videos here. Besides on a lighter note: do you know what the naija economy s saying ryt now? Only you haff posted up to 20 videos for this thread alone. Please please and please consider pipu wey dey try manage free 10 mb a beg. |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Kaysalas(m): 3:58pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
plappville:kindly remove my phone number from my post you quoted please ryt here on page 17. One of the top few posts |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Kaysalas(m): 4:00pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
SINZ:you will need to send ur whatsapp no to have it sent to youyou. Download links don't work |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Nobody: 4:07pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
plappville: OK. Once I have my whatsapp upgraded, I'll let you know. Thanks. |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by SINZ: 4:18pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
Kaysalas: Okay boss. Can I PM you my digits? |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by wolesmile(m): 4:26pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
Alennsar: Ah bro, I'll give you more than a thousand of those verses |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 5:19pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
[/b] plainbibletruth: You refused to answer my [b]EARLIER questions – diversionary tactic – and now you’re using your questions to cover up your inabilities and you want me to be DECEIVED by you?you should rather said you lack intellectual acumen when I answered you earlier. You simply playing yourself. You want to see EXACT phrase in the Quran as you put it. Just like you can't point out where Jesus said in the bible "I'm God worship me". Quran talks about being righteous and doing good deeds. If this doesn't ring bell in your ears I don't know what will. Here are verses again to this effect Where in the quran does it talk about living in peace with others? – You didn’t answer. Surat 2:177, 2:215, 28:84 28:59 45:15 47:35 99:7 That's enough. Too much to quote. How do you reconcile the quran’s HATE LANGUAGE and HOSTILITY to non-muslims with islam’s PROPAGANDA machinery today that says the quran talks about PEACE with others and that it is accommodating toward non-muslims? – You didn’t answer.I answered this as well. How do you reconcile your "peace" propaganda with this verse of the bible? Like 19:27 Those enemies of mine who do not want me to be king over them, bring them here and KILL them before me If you cant understand that you have just about same or worst in your Book, I'm not obligated to answer unless you want to keep denying VIOLENCE in your Old & New Testaments What are your views on the comparisons in the table (on Jesus and mohammed) presented to you to comment on? – No reply!Is that a just "comparison" to you? . Do you even think at all?. I can as well bring up my own comparison to justify my whim. You can choose to run to ANY SOURCE you want to seek justification for your position on mohammed’s pedophilic life – it would still be part of your DECEPTION tactic.PAIN! You know deep down your throw the article I posted hit you in the spine For the fact that the article said Mary mother of Jesus married so young, and many people in the bible in those days as well, then, you have no case against Islam. Why don't you follow PUBERTY instructions ACCORDING to the BIBLE?. WHY DO YOU HAVE TO HIDE BEHIND WESTERN LAWS?. Even their law for girl's marriageable age varies from 10yrs old to 18yrs.But you CANNOT find the BIBLE supporting you on this.and where in the QURAN it says prophet Muhammad (p) married 6yrs old girl? . Kindly post a reference from Quran please. If you can't you are a liar. On the other hand, if we are to STICK to your “holy books” we can unearth much ROT (which are FACTS for that matter) about the life of your hero prophet – hard nut for you to handle?Please do I'm waiting. Thanks I think you are the one who needs to look in the mirror and see if you are not a hypocrite.Thank God you said you "THINK" which means you are in doubt about something. |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 5:25pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
Kaysalas:in that case, why are you concerned about 1500yrs old event? Have you no sense? |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 6:25pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
Age of Consent In Modern Time is really not much different from Ancients Age of Consent In The Americas
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| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 6:27pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
Age Of Consent in Europe
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| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 6:32pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
Age of Consent in Japan
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| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 6:33pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
Age of consent in AFRICA
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| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Kaysalas(m): 7:54pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
SINZ:Go ryt ahead. My naira land handle @ yahoo dot come |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Kaysalas(m): 7:57pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
Empiree:I av only expressed an honest opinion why the insult? Not surprised anyway, unintelligent people result to insults verbal or physical when lacking intelligent points to back up their claims..... Hahaha... I am waiting for the next round of insults....shoot! 1 Like |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 8:19pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
Kaysalas:we know ur type. Have a good day |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Kaysalas(m): 8:21pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
Empiree:You too dear  |
| Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Kaysalas(m): 8:44pm On Feb 15, 2017 |
Empiree: Now I know you are indeed a terrible liar! Luke 19:27 starts from verse 11, I.e Luke 19:11-27, it is a parable Jesus shared with the people, go on pick up the bible and read again from verse 11, (slowly, this time) and you will see its either you are a pathetic conman or an ignorant folk . you decide! On other things you wrote, I leave you and your co debaters, just wanted to POINT OUT THIS BLOODY LIE! cheers 1 Like 1 Share |
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