Empiree you should rather said you lack intellectual acumen when I answered you earlier. You simply playing yourself. You want to see EXACT phrase in the Quran as you put it. Just like you can't point out where Jesus said in the bible "I'm God worship me".


Quran talks about being righteous and doing good deeds. If this doesn't ring bell in your ears I don't know what will. Here are verses again to this effect

Surat 2:177, 2:215, 28:84 28:59 45:15 47:35 99:7

That's enough. Too much to quote.

I answered this as well. How do you reconcile your "peace" propaganda with this verse of the bible?

Like 19:27

Those enemies of mine who do not want me to be king over them, bring them here and KILL them before me

If you cant understand that you have just about same or worst in your Book, I'm not obligated to answer unless you want to keep denying VIOLENCE in your Old & New Testaments


Is that a just "comparison" to you? . Do you even think at all?. I can as well bring up my own comparison to justify my whim.

PAIN! You know deep down your throw the article I posted hit you in the spine For the fact that the article said Mary mother of Jesus married so young, and many people in the bible in those days as well, then, you have no case against Islam. Why don't you follow PUBERTY instructions ACCORDING to the BIBLE?. WHY DO YOU HAVE TO HIDE BEHIND WESTERN LAWS?. Even their law for girl's marriageable age varies from 10yrs old to 18yrs.

and where in the QURAN it says prophet Muhammad (p) married 6yrs old girl? . Kindly post a reference from Quran please. If you can't you are a liar.

plainbibletruth:


Look at this for example:
“Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you”
Luke 6: 27, 28
Can you give us anything near this in your holy book?

Why should YOUR quote from some untrusted source move me? Do you get angry when a dog barks at you?

Don’t state what I NEVER wrote and try to pin it on me. Ok? You made the above statement yourself not me. Let’s get that straight. I didn’t say that the quran said anything like that. You must be trying to TWIST things again.
BUT:

plainbibletruth:



On the other hand, if we are to STICK to your “holy books” we can unearth much ROT (which are FACTS for that matter) about the life of your hero prophet – hard nut for you to handle?

Empiree:
Sorry buddy. You are NOT my teacher and


So you said our "Holy Book". Holy book in islam is Qur'an. You could not find the "rot" you claimed. You had to go to hadith to bring up narration. Just like I go outside of your Bible. So you either stick to Quran or not. If not, my article posted earlier is valid about "Age Of Consent" in the Bible

plainbibletruth:

[s]There you go again!
I DID NOT say "holy book".
I said "holy books" - as in plural. Books not a single "book".
Are you so quick to comment that you don't take time to carefully read what is presented to you?[/s]

Empiree:
Can You LOVE SATAN YOUR enemy with ALL your Heart and Soul since you have unconditional "LOVE"?

Kaysalas:
kindly remove my phone number from my post you quoted please ryt here on page 17. One of the top few posts

plainbibletruth:


I said "holy books". You're trying hard to TWIST it to "holy BOOK". All because you simply DON'T want to admit that you were WRONG in the first place

You couldn't disprove that story on Aisha & mohammed. All you've done is resort to: " You are NOT my teacher and you can NEVER ever be. I know what Islam teaches So dont play yourself"

Is that story TAUGHT by islam or not?

We're talking about love for fellow HUMAN BEINGS and suddenly you bring in Satan. Does that make sense to you?

If you claim that those are love verses from the quran, the QUESTION then is how do you RECONCILE them with these: [/b]
" Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not." - quran 2:216

These are from only the quran and are not exhaustive. If we are to add those from the hadith and other Islamic literature then one can imagine the extent these verses of violence and hatred goes.

So, can you reconcile these with what you quoted?

Have in mind that you people claim that Allah's words do not change.

BAGHDAD (AP) — A car bomb in Baghdad killed at least 45 people and wounded nearly 50 others on Thursday, Iraq's Interior Ministry said.

Ministry spokesman Brig. Gen. Saad Maan confirmed the toll from the attack, which took place in the southwestern al-Bayaa neighborhood.
The Islamic State group claimed the bombing in an online statement circulated by its Aamaq news agency. The Sunni extremist group said it was targeting Shiite Muslims

Kaysalas:
kindly remove my phone number from my post you quoted please ryt here on page 17. One of the top few posts

Suicide bombings kill 6 in northwestern Pakistan
Posted: Feb 15, 2017 2:32 PM CET
Updated: Feb 15, 2017 2:34 PM CET

http://www.crossroadstoday.com/story

TODAY AGAIN:

The Islamic State has claimed responsibility for a suicide bomber's attack at a Sufi shrine in Pakistan on Thursday, with local police telling AFP that as many as 70 people are dead.

The attack took place in the city of Sehwan in Sindh province, where the closest hospital is over 40 miles away. "There was a huge crowd gathered there for the [religious gathering] at the shrine, and there was a very big explosion," Sindh's health minister, Sikandar Mandhro, told Al Jazeera. "The medical facilities at Sehwan are not equipped to deal with a very big emergency, so our first priority right now is to get help to the wounded."

Pakistan has been rocked by terrorist attacks this week, with 13 people killed in a suicide bombing in Lahore on Monday, two police officers killed trying to defuse a bomb in Quetta on Tuesday, and five people killed in a suicide bombing Wednesday in the Mohmand tribal area.

Empiree
So fact is we have One Holy Book which is Quran. We do not have Old and New Quran. Hadith you referred to however is not 100% holy. Hadith contains words of Nabi Muhammad, his companions, his wives, and countless other people including words of scholars. When you said holy, it means revelation from God transmitted to us by Muhammad. So the hadith of Aisha you cited does not meet that require.

What was the age of Mary the mother of your God when she gave birth to him and at what age she betrothed to Josef?. Your history shows that Josef was 99 yrs old and catholic said Mary was 12. So what's your fuss about Aisha and Muhammad?

Yes, it makes sense. Show me in that Bible verse where it says ONLY humans you are to love?. According to you, the verse talking about "love" means unconditional love. So you MUST love Satan too. Otherwise, you are a joke and hypocrite.

Why did God of Old Testament committed to wars against humanity?. Why did Jesus say to kill enemies who would not bow to him?. Why did Jesus say he did not bring peace but he came to divide people?

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household ~ Matthew 10:34-36

Does the above sound peaceful to you?. How do you reconcile the verse above ^^^^ with so called "peace" and "loving" your enemies?. I know you are not ready to listen for explanation of the Quranic verse so i wont waste my time unless and until you slow down your ego.

You can quote Quran verses all you want. I have nothing to explain to you. And dont pretend Muslims have not quoted Bible's violence verses all the time from both Old and New Testaments. So your claims here is null and void. Your case is like kettle calling pot black.

DEAL WITH IT or LEAVE IT

plainbibletruth:




The Christian does not belong to the Old Testament.
Nothing in the portion of the Bible you quoted even suggests that Jesus was saying "Kill your enemies" It is you that is trying to infer that.

Viewers of this thread can CLEARLY SEE that you are unwilling to face up to the issues of the shortcomings and defects of the quran.

You are also unwilling to do the same with your hero prophet - mohammed.

You cannot refuse to face facts and still hope to arrive at the TRUTH.

b]Empiree[/b]
So why do you carry it today by your arms?. Is old Testament God different New T. Since you said Christians have nothing to do with old testament why do you support Jewish people and Jewish state?. Don't run from the bible verse. Luke 19:27 talks about killing those who would not accept jesus to be king over them

yes, I'm unwilling bcus no amount of explanations make sense to you. Just as you are unwilling to accept Bible violence. You try to distance yourself from Old Testament but you support the same people who killed your God

plappville:


Cant find it now. Do that when am less busy.

plainbibletruth:
[
I think someone has explained Luke 19:27 to you before now. BUT you appear not to carefully read posts, rather you skip over them or skim whatever you want from them.
Let's help you understand it better.
[s]First, it is PART OF a PARABLE that started from Luke 19 verse 11.

Therefore you cannot take that single verse out and try to weave your meaning into it: THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

I trust you KNOW what a PARABLE is.

So when you come to verse 27 the issue is HOW do you apply the parable.

Jesus was not telling the listeners or readers to go and kill your enemies. It is the king in the parable who when he returned home said "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’"

So can you apply the PARABLE now?[/s]

Are you sure you are amongst those who killed our God?
Even if you were there's a way out:
“Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses."

Empiree
Oh I see, Now you could tell me it was "explained" before?. Nonsense. Were those Quranic verses not explained to Christians here before?. Did you people care to listen and admit?. Now you are telling me it is "Parable" and you want me to accept it but reject our explanation?. For as long as you reject muslims explanations, then, your attempt to curry flavored Bible violence verses are null and void

Ask majority of Jews today if they believe in Jesus and get their answer. Then come here to tell me he forgives them

plainbibletruth:


So you need to see the story from the standpoint of the whole narrative and not just from a single verse.

Jesus Christ paid for the sins of the Jew and Gentile. So as the Bible says: "But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the right [the authority, the privilege] to become children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name--"
JOHN 1:12

Therefore the issue is the same for all (you inclusive ):
"Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved ..." Acts 16:31

Empiree:
But you singled out verses from Quran to claim it preaches violence and you unlike your cohorts are not willing to accept explanation but you want muslims to listen and accept yours. How fair is that?

I rather eschew here cus if i should go further, you know other verses are in conflict with what you just said here. shaking my head

Jesus is God or a man (God's servant, prophet, messanger and slave of God?

Empiree:
plainbibletruth, plappville your case is EXACTLY like this

plainbibletruth:
[
I think someone has explained Luke 19:27 to you before now. BUT you appear not to carefully read posts, rather you skip over them or skim whatever you want from them.
Let's help you understand it better.
First, it is PART OF a PARABLE that started from Luke 19 verse 11.

Therefore you cannot take that single verse out and try to weave your meaning into it: THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

I trust you KNOW what a PARABLE is.

So when you come to verse 27 the issue is HOW do you apply the parable.

Jesus was not telling the listeners or readers to go and kill your enemies. It is the king in the parable who when he returned home said "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’"

So can you apply the PARABLE now?



Are you sure you are amongst those who killed our God?
Even if you were there's a way out:
“Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses."

plainbibletruth:


Ok. Let's look at things OBJECTIVELY. No harm intended.

The quran's 114 Suras (chapters) are not "perfectly arranged", the Suras are not in chronological or in any subject matter sequence. The arrangement is simply by size, with the larger size appearing first. As a result, there is no logical continuity or transition between chapters - and sometimes in the chapters there are no clear linkages.

In short, there is very little literary consistency in the quran.

The Bible on the other hand is quite the opposite. It is more orderly. Therefore if a portion is telling a story the best approach to understanding it is to look at the WHOLE PICTURE and not to pick at portions of that story randomly. After understanding the whole picture application of the message being brought out in the story becomes easier. That's how it's done.

So, whilst it is in order to pick a stand-alone verse in the quran and scrutinize it you cannot do the same for a portion in the Bible that has a flow and is more organised.

Therefore the quran’s HATE LANGUAGE and HOSTILITY to non-muslims which are not based on say parables or the sort, neither are they CLEARLY SAID TO BE time-specific cannot be understood differently from what they simply say.

Islam’s PROPAGANDA machinery today says the quran talks about PEACE with others and that it is accommodating toward non-muslims. The FACTS in the quran say a different thing. If the quran is to be held as superior to men's statements then those who say islam is a religion of PEACE are DECEIVING the rest of the world.


To IGNORE facts does change the facts.

myobjective:


Islam is a very dangerous dogma that promotes violence, intolerance, and division. I'm an ex Muslim and I can affirm that Mohammed was an insecure, illiterate Arab peasant, who was an opportunist, a rapist, a liar, who projected is insecurity on others through a cult called Islam.

Mohammed repackaged '' Allah '' a moon Idol worship by his parent and family to actualized his selfish interest. He was allowed by Allah to marry any woman and as much as he like. He was allowed to rape by Allah, he was allowed to steal, allow to sleep with is son's (adopted son) wife, he was allowed to marry under age etc.

myobjective:


Education and access to information was responsible for my clear understanding of Islam and when you understand Islam you can never be a Muslim.

Majority of Nigeria Muslim or Muslim worldwide don't understand Islam because Islam is taught in foreign language. Arab make up less than 12% of total Muslim population, the majority of Muslim world wide ranging from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia, Iran, Nigeria etc are been taught Arabic they have little to know understanding of.

When you read the Quran and hadith in a language that you understand (without the guidance or interpretation of Muslim apologies, you begin to see all the fallacies, crime of Mohammed).

When you study culture close to the Arabic culture at the conceptual stage of Islam you begin to see the lies and decided of Mohammed.

The Quran is a worthless piece of paper containing massive shit of lies, hate speech, illogical fallacies and the sychopathic mind of Mohammed.

If Mohammed was to be alive today, he will be convicted for war crime, for rape, for hate speech and will locked up for terrorism. People like shekau are the true Muslim

plainbibletruth:


Ok. Let's look at things OBJECTIVELY. No harm intended.

The quran's 114 Suras (chapters) are not "perfectly arranged", the Suras are not in chronological or in any subject matter sequence. The arrangement is simply by size, with the larger size appearing first. As a result, there is no logical continuity or transition between chapters - and sometimes in the chapters there are no clear linkages.

In short, there is very little literary consistency in the quran.

The Bible on the other hand is quite the opposite. It is more orderly. Therefore if a portion is telling a story the best approach to understanding it is to look at the WHOLE PICTURE and not to pick at portions of that story randomly. After understanding the whole picture application of the message being brought out in the story becomes easier. That's how it's done.

So, whilst it is in order to pick a stand-alone verse in the quran and scrutinize it you cannot do the same for a portion in the Bible that has a flow and is more organised.

Therefore the quran’s HATE LANGUAGE and HOSTILITY to non-muslims which are not based on say parables or the sort, neither are they CLEARLY SAID TO BE time-specific cannot be understood differently from what they simply say.

Islam’s PROPAGANDA machinery today says the quran talks about PEACE with others and that it is accommodating toward non-muslims. The FACTS in the quran say a different thing. If the quran is to be held as superior to men's statements then those who say islam is a religion of PEACE are DECEIVING the rest of the world.


To IGNORE facts does change the facts.

DanXplore:
could anyone with the pdf version of the people vs muhammed forward it to my email? niceguy198925@yahoo.com thanks

Empiree:
So why do you carry it today by your arms?. Is old Testament God different New T. Since you said Christians have nothing to do with old testament why do you support Jewish people and Jewish state?. Don't run from the bible verse. Luke 19:27 talks about killing those who would not accept jesus to be king over them



yes, I'm unwilling bcus no amount of explanations make sense to you. Just as you are unwilling to accept Bible violence. You try to distance yourself from Old Testament but you support the same people who killed your God

parisbookaddict:


i see you have been busy. how is the internet jihad going

parisbookaddict:


here you go pals
The People Vs Mohammed
http://bookzz.org/book/2597593/b23977

http://bookzz.org/book/2770751/55605d/?_ir=1

these above are 2 version u can download.

you need an epub or mobi reader to view the files. they are better to read than pdf files. i hardly download pdf books these days, just .mobi. there are many android apps you can use for it on ur phone or tablet, and there are softwares like sumatra viewer which opens theses file versions.

cc
Kaysalas
Joagbaje



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