FriendNG:
A true .


Ideology of Shia and Sufis has contradicts the verse above.

Demmzy15:
You've been reported Rafidi!

Rafidi:


my brother, you are mentally deranged. seek medical help. its never too late. the nonsense above doesnt need a reply at all. but for the record, ive never come across a Sufi who calls Ibrahim Inyass "god". I have also never come across any Shia who says he does not follow the "Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad". in fact, Shia popularly proclaim that they are in fact "the real Sunnis (followers of the Sunnah) ". the evident problem is that you guys calling yourselves "Sunni" also follow the "sunnah" of the so called rightly guided caliph whom you say are four; the Prophet (s) stated his rightly guided caliphs are 12! so the question is what is Sunnah (of the Prophet) and what is not Sunnah (i.e. sunnah of the so called rightly guided caliphs you follow). remember the hadith: follow my sunnah and the sunnah of my rightly guided caliphs? the question now is if the four you tag as "the rightly guided caliphs" are not the ones referred to by the Prophet (s) as a bunch, then it means you are following the wrong sunnah, including practices like tarawih, etc.

the only point you score is regarding the Ahmdiyyah. the do believe in a prophet/messenger after Muhammad (s). and that is islamically wrong and misguidance. however, it does not give you the right to consider them as unbelievers or to pass takfir on them or to justify killing them.

the misguidance of the Wahhabis, your people, is the worse in the history of Islam. they have been used through their distorted teachings to spill the blood of Muslims and divide the ummah into "believing Muslims" and "unbelieving Muslims". no time in history has seen the blood of Muslims become so cheap as in this era of the Wahhabiyyah. and you claim you do it for the sake of Allah or Tawheed. which belief in Tawheed you claim that a Shia does not believe in? the problem is not in accepting Tawheed because it is the first doctrine of all Muslims. the problem is in telling other Muslims what is kufr as per your own standards. otherwise, our unifying belief in Tawheed is enough for our unity and peace. it is time for you guys to wake up and see that your obsessive extremism is nothing islamic or about Tawheed. it is just unnecessary obsession and the whisperings of shaitan. you judge the intentions of other Muslims. if a Shia visits a grave, you call him "grave worshiper", while the Shia would tell you that he does not worship any grave but Allah. so where is the problem? the problem is in you. yet, we all face the Ka'bah, kiss the black stone, and do tawaf, but we all agree that we do not worship the Kabah. so why cant we visit the graves of the pious ones without empty accusations and judging intentions? you do not know what is in the hearts of people; only Allah (swt) does.

RABIUSHILE04:
Our ignorance of the Deen has now reached a crescendo where we use terminologies like, "Shiite Muslims"; "Sunni Muslims"; "Ahmadiyyah Muslims"; "Holy Qur'an"; et cetera.
Please, since Arabic is the official language of Islam, can anyone give me the Arabic equivalents of those terminologies?
For the records, you can't be a Shiite, Sufi, and Ahmadi and at the same time claim to be Muslim. How will you define your relationship with Islam when you curse the prophet's wives and companions? How will you claim Islam and Ibrahim Niyass is your god? How are you a Muslim and ghulam Ahmad is, in your creed the last prophet after Muhammad?
How can you be a a Muslim and you hate the Sunnah? Every real Muslim must attribute himself to the Sunnah. However, you're not a Sunni Muslim but an adherent of the Sunnah.
Stop tagging yourself to Shirk and Bid'ah. Be a real Muslim!!!
Sirnucy Lafiagi

FriendNG:
A true Muslim in this time is a Muslim who obeys Allah through the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Any other ideology apart from this is a wrong path.


O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result. Quran

The verse said it all, if you should have any sect then that sect should be the Islamic religion itself obeying Allah and his messenger and those in authority.

If you have disagreement, then keep your altercations aside and look for what Allah and His messenger teach.

If you believe in Allah and you believe you will die as well as resurrected hereafter, then this is the way you should practice Islam and it's the best way that will yield A+ result for you which is paradise.


Ideology of Shia and Sufis has contradicts the verse above.

Sufisunni:
With this bolded sentence, U should be in GST(101) class and not here passing Fatwa about who is a true muslim!
Just take a look at yourself, so this ayah has now vindicated U as the only true muslims abi? U need to have ur head checked. This is how U people fleece innocent muslims with ur lies.
Wahhabism is from Najd and the Prophet(SAW) had clearly prophesied its coming.
Keep on delunding yourself with Wahhsbism in the name of Sunna.
Calling yourself sunnis can't save U, it's your intention and work that matter.
Bokoharam call themselves Ahl-e- sunna. Are they trully Ahl-e- sunna?

FriendNG:



I don't know perhaps that verse above irritate you. If your ideology contradict the above verse you're on the wrong part believe it or do not. My message is heard sound and clear. Only people with disease in their heart will have problem with the verse above. Thank you I may not have your time.

Sufisunni:
Dont mind these Wahhabists. To a Wahhabist, every other muslim is irredeemably wrong, but a Wahhabist is perpetually right. They think calling themselves Ahle sunna have crowned them as the only true muslims. The problem with Wahhabism is beyond human redemption, Prophet Muhammad(SAW) had foretold about people of Najd by refusing to pray for them.
Wahhabism & Israel: both created by British and sustained by USA.

Demmzy15:
Your problem is, you always think you can talk but you end up making noise. There's no post on Nairaland which is against Bid'ah that you won't come and flap your mouth about. Just dey watch, you go finally chop cain, I never get your time.

Sufisunni:
Guy, the bolded, dont attempt to square urself with me
[/font] Attack the message and leave the messenger! Coz I have pointed out ur innovations u are now pained.

Demmzy15:
You don't point out any innovations but you blab. All you say is "Wahabi, Israel, Saudi Arabia, British, Nejd, etc." You're of no substance. Let's say for the sake of the argument that the British created saudi arabia, didn't the British create Nigeria and numerous other African countries?

Your way of reasoning is baffling! [/s]

Sufisunni:
[s] Mr Wahhabi, go and read the confession of a British spy, atleast to start with.

Didn't the British create Nigeria, Ghana, Egypt? So why attack saudi arabia for British supposedly(you've not proved it tho) creating it?

Demmzy15:
Didn't the British create Nigeria, Ghana, Egypt? So why attack saudi arabia for British supposedly(you've not proved it tho) creating it?

Sufisunni:
The interest in creating Saudi was to decimate the might of Ottoman empire which British couldnt control and therefore created a puppet country with pseudo sunna to be at its caprice and whims.

Demmzy15:
The people who rebelled against the ottomans was the Sharif of Makkah, he did this with the aid of Lawrence of Arabia. After he was successful, he proclaimed him the Caliph and made his sons rulers of Iraaq and Jordan. The Sharif of Makkah was then defeated by the Saudis who then controlled Makkah and Medina.

If you are ignorant, stop making mouth!

Sufisunni:
What is the source of this trash U wrote here? Any attempt to distort historical facts by U, will get U cursed by posterity!
So, the multitude of muslims killed in Makka, Madina, Hijaz, Taif and other towns in the former Ottoman empire in order to establish a kingdom for Saud were what? In 1901, Abdul-Aziz Ibn Saud , a fifth generation descendent of Muhammad ibn Saud, [110] began a military campaign that led to the conquest of much of the Arabian peninsula and the founding of present-day Saudi Arabia, after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. [111] The result that safeguarded the vision of Islam-based on the tenets of Islam as preached by
Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab was not bloodless, as 40,000 public executions and 350,000 amputations were carried out during its course, according to some estimates.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism.
Pls, I say it again, go and read the confession of a British spy.
Memoirs of Mr. Hempher, The British Spy to the middleeast.

Demmzy15:
Stop deviating, I don't blame you. Whenever you've been refuted you run to another point. 40,000 were executed, do you know their crimes? 350,000 amputation , what's the punishment for theft?

Sufisunni:
[s]The bolded, were killed for what? perhaps, for having diffrent opinion from Wahhhabi scholars . For your information, 40,000 were killed same way the ISIS is killing now.
Alhamdulillah, here is what Sheikh aadil Kalbani said; enjoy reading.
Senior Saudi Salafi Cleric: ‘ISIS Is A True Product Of Salafism
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Sheikh ‘Aadel Al-Kalbani, former imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca has announced that ISIS is the result of the Salafi version of Islam, and therefore there needs to be changes within the Salafi sect itself.
UPDATE: ISIS and Ibn Taymiyyah, understand the connection, understand the problem.
“ISIS is a true product of Salafism, and we must deal with it with full transparency.” [/b]This statement was made not by liberal Muslim elements, who regularly criticize Salafism, but by Sheikh ‘Aadel Al-Kalbani, former imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca and a Salafi himself, hence its importance. Al-Kalbani is not the first Salafi to come out against ISIS – other Saudis have condemned the organization’s conduct and operations – but Al-Kalbani has gone farther in his criticism: he has come out against the principles of the Salafi perception from which ISIS and its ilk draw, and has called for a rationalistic approach to Islam’s distant past and what it means for Islam today instead of a blind reenactment of it .
In two articles in the Saudi government daily Al-Riyadh, Al-Kalbani criticized elements in the [b]Salafi stream for appropriating the truth and Islam and for permitting the killing of their opponents, and likewise criticized clerics and society that dared not come out against them. He stated that the call to blindly reenact the path of the Prophet Muhammad and of the forefathers of Islam stems from a faulty grasp of the essence of this path, and that Muhammad (SAW)himself had rejected blind adoption of the perceptions of the past and blind following of the path of his predecessors, choosing instead a rationalistic approach appropriate for a changing reality. Al-Kalbani stated that clerics must take their heads out of the sand and move with the spirit of the times instead of rejecting and condemning any new idea.
This is not the first time that Al-Kalbani has challenged the mainstream Saudi clerics. He has harshly attacked suicide bombings, [1] published a fatwa permitting poetry, [2] and called for allowing women to drive cars.[3]
The following are translated excerpts from his two recent articles in Al-Riyadh :
“ISIS Is A True Product Of Salafism And We Must Deal With It With Full Transparency”
On August 15, 2014, Sheikh Al-Kalbani tweeted (@abuabdelelah): “ISIS is a true product of Salafism and we must deal with it with full transparency.” DIRECT LINK TO TWEET HERE .
This statement sparked reactions across the social networks, and 10 days later, on August 24, Al-Kalbani wrote in an Al-Riyadh article titled “Is Terrorism A Salafi Product?”: “Every time we see the fitna network sweeping up young people from among our sons… [and pitching them into] to a very deep abyss from which they will emerge only by means of idioms that drip blood, our conscience torments us and we wonder: From whence has this come upon us? How have they fallen into this? As if we could not do a thing before then.
“But the opposite is true: The main reason for their deviation is our neglect – and by ‘our’ neglect I mean the [neglect of the] generation of the parents, and of the honorable members of society among the clerics, teachers, preachers, jurisprudents, and sociologists who are linked directly to that society. The words, the books, the sermons, the dramas, and all the artistic creativity and the essential link [to the audience] that these people present in all the media, whether print, radio, or television, [allow them] to monitor the ideas of the young people and to participate in balancing them. I exclude [of course] that tiniest of minorities whose throat is parched from warning about the extremism of theSalafis.
“Yes, this is the plant that has sprouted in the garbage dump of those who excessively pass judgment on others and pretend to represent Salafism. How gravely they have accused others of apostasy, of deviating from the right path, of heresy, and of licentiousness – as if the arena lies open before them and there is nobody to condemn them and no judge to punish them. Furthermore, they are received with feigned respect and admiration, and opportunities have been opened to them to plant in the minds of our young people that this one has gone astray and that one is an infidel and the other one is lax in religion . Even the greatest of clerics, past and present, are not spared their arrows. They spread the principles of Islam in a twisted manner that makes them incomprehensible or distorted, and preserve things that negate Islam. They measure the judge, the educated, and the student, and even the simple folk by what they [i.e. these extremists] have learned by heart [but] do not understand, and think that they are entitled to rule that the above mentioned are apostates and to call down upon them the punishments of Allah that are no longer implemented and [by so doing, they think that they will] restore the glory and splendor of monotheism.
“This group thinks that no one but itself and its supporters are the source of good and the defenders of monotheism – because [its members] imbibed with their mothers’ milk [the view] that all Muslims worldwide do not understand [monotheism] and that they are not worshipping only Allah but are polytheists who worship graves… and that there are no just clerics besides their own clerics and their disciples. [They think that] only a cleric whom they love, whom they heed and obey, and on whose say they reject or validate [others] – only he holds the truth and acts in accordance with the ways of [ Islam’s] just forefathers… They spread out and multiply, and publicly call for following in the footsteps of some sheikh and for accepting his words in full . They have begun to classify people, preachers, and clerics – [for example,] [b]this sheikh shouldn’t be listened to because he is more loathsome than the Jews and the Christians, and that fatwa deviates [from the right path], so it is forbidden to pray behind anyone who adopts it, or to sit with him, eat with him or respect him. [/b]They have begun… to separate the young people from the clerics who understand the result of [this activity by them] and what difficulties they are going to cause the nation.
“Actually, there is no connection between the path of these extremists and the [true] path of the Salafis – which is tolerance, compassion, and gentleness, and in which there is no place for extremism and [religious] fanaticism. [Salafism] is a path that spreads love, brotherhood, and acceptance of the other among Muslims and coexistence with non-Muslims. But the thing is to understand it and to implement it – and not [just to] pretend [to do so] – in a way that is compatible with the deep roots of the past and with the demands of the present.
“[However,] what is needed is a perception for reforming ideas, not admonitions, reproof, reactions and word-sparing that deal with the symptom and ignore the disease! There is still enough time to rehabilitate [these ideas], ideologically and practically, and to prevent society from splitting into sects and groups that throng after dignitaries who are enveloped in an aura of immunity [to sin and error] and sanctity, with each group thinking that it has the right to guide the nation and recruit its young people.
“A plant is always like its roots. If we want a good, fruitful plant, it is incumbent upon everyone to care for its roots, its water sources, the spread of its branches, and the fertility of the earth [from which it grows], and to protect it from ideas and viruses that turn its fruit and seeds to poison from which the generations sip and on which the young people grow up; from [these seeds] sprouts a plant that has in it no place for compassion and to whom love and friendship are totally alien.”
“We Remain Trapped In The Dungeons Of The Very Distant Past”; We Should “Rely On The Past As A Foundation” For Building The Present And Future, Not Destroying Them
On August 31, 2014, Al-Kalbani published another article, “The Chains of the Past,” in which he criticized the Salafism that advocates uncritical reliance on Islam’s past, and called for a rationalistic critical approach. He wrote: “We never stop elevating the past at any cost, so much so that it has taken over our lives and thwarted our management of our present, and I do not know what it will do to our future. We claim that the past is the perception, the deeds, and the outlook of the forefathers [of Islam], to the point where if a catastrophe happens to one of us, he hastens to seek a solution for his catastrophe in a book written hundreds of years ago! And then we shout loudly, ‘Islam is compatible with every time and every place[!]’
“What is very strange is that we remain trapped in the dungeons of the very distant past, chewing over the words of Malik [bin Anas [4] ], may the peace of Allah be upon him, ‘The last of this ummah will not be successful unless they follow the same [pattern] that was successful in the hands of its first ones,’ and think that what it means is that we must remain in the first century of the era of the mission [of the Prophet Muhammad], in the same style of life, and in the same patterns and knowledge that he had.
“From these words [of Malik bin Anas] I do not understand that our past [must] control our present and constrain our future; rather, I understand that [the past] is what caused the Prophet’s honorable Companions to change their perception, and brought about their wonderful transition from the caves of darkness and straying into the light of truth… What improved the situation of the first generation [of Islam] was not preserving the heritage of the forefathers and the ideas of the previous generations, but the complete opposite. The first generation [of Islam] abandoned the [pattern] of blind imitation, and with the descent [of Koran 96:1] ‘Recite in the name of your Lord,’ the use of the mind began, after it was neglected for many centuries; the wagon of change began to move and to shift the bitter reality full of oppression, backwardness, and idolatry with lofty and clear rational truths. They [the members of the first generation] opened their eyes to what had [always] been in front of them, but which the fog of imitating what their forefathers did had prevented them from seeing… until the honored Koran arrived and removed this fog and enabled them to see what they had been blind to, and to distinguish what they had not noticed [before].
“In the same spirit, I want the past to free us from the yoke of the backwards present – not drag us towards it. I want our past to make us see reality as it is, and for us to rely on it in the areas of development and culture, and for us to emerge from it with momentum towards the horizons of the future and with an enlightened perception. This [should be done] under the direction of the two revelations [the Koran and the Sunna] – and not by means of the opinions of people who have invested most of their efforts in studying that era [of early Islam].
“We should rely on the past as a foundation from which we head out to the future and to the building of the present; this is better than turning the past into [something] that binds our hands and arouses among us rivalry, conflict, and opinions for which we fight and as a result of which we weaken and splinter. Had we done this [from the outset], we would be sitting on the throne of the pinnacle of culture.
“We must acknowledge that our past contains things that are not compatible with our present. The religious collapse of the West happened only after it became fully aware of the depth of the yawning chasm between the scientific knowledge that serves the culture that the human mind has attained and the religious beliefs and laws set out by the church, which included beliefs that had been distorted or misunderstood, or were not appropriate for every time.
“From among those who call for absolute adherence to the past there has emerged a young generation that defends and fights for opinions and ways that are devoid of the [the correct] Islamic concepts and religious views that can guide the ummah in the right direction. This gang, that has granted itself the right to banish minds, has not grasped the situation of the ummah, and has not managed to adapt to [today’s reality]; therefore its path is to subdue the other or to accuse him of apostasy and of deviating from the right path. [These people] can be found in all walks of life, preventing men of insight from advancing and catching up to the present, and anyone who criticizes them and points out their mistakes is accused of being Khawarij [5] – an accusation tailored for such [critics]. Anyone who talks about women’s rights is deviating from the right path and is loathsome and is lax in religion. Anyone who expresses a wise opinion that has been covered up and ignored because it contradicts their Salafism, is going against the vast majority of the people… and so on…
“What is strange is that these radical extremists who accuse their opponents of heresy and of apostasy acknowledge neither the stagnation of their own perception and ideas nor the worthlessness of their religious law, and thus do not recognize that they have left seeds that are today inflicting suffering and torment on the ummah.”
Endnotes:
[1] See MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 3728, Saudi Sheikh: One Who Kills Himself and Others in Order to Win the Virgins of Paradise Is Not a Martyr but a Suicide; Only the Truly Virtuous Will Gain Paradise
, April 1, 2011.
[2] See MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 4215, Political Poem By Saudi Prince Triggers Public Debate In Kingdom
, March 5, 2013.
[3] See MEMRI Inquiry & Analysis No. 1029, Saudi Activists Renew Campaign For Women’s Driving
, October 23, 2013.
[4] Cleric (d. 795) and the founder of the Maliki school of thought, one of the four in Sunni Islam.
[5] Derogatory term referring to a rebel cult in early Islam that split off from the army of Ali ibn Abi Talib at the Battle of Siffin in 657.
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56 thoughts on “Senior Saudi Salafi Cleric: ‘ISIS Is A True Product . THIS WAS HOW SAUDI KINGDOM WAS ESTABLISHED BY TERRORRISM; KILLING FELLOW MUSLIMS.[/s]

You seriously expect me to read this gibberish? Your unending c/p is the reason why you can't think properly. I really wish you could change your moniker from "Sufisunni" to "Sufishia". You're not a Sunni, that's a fact.

Please don't go about crying "Wahabi, Nejd, Saudi Arabia, British, bla bla bla".

You were shouting the Prophet spoke bad of Nejd, but did you also know that he spoke well of tribe of Bani Tameem. They're the severest of people against dajaal, but do you know Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdulwahab is from this tribe? Olodo!

Demmzy15:
Stop deviating, I don't blame you. Whenever you've been refuted you run to another point. 40,000 were executed, do you know their crimes? 350,000 amputation, what's the punishment for theft?

President99:
I dont want to join this discussion, but honestly, Muhammad ibn Abdulwahab was a MUDERER. SORRY. THAT IS THE BITTER TRUTH.

OK o

Demmzy15:
You seriously expect me to read this gibberish? Your unending c/p is the reason why you can't think properly. I really wish you could change your moniker from "Sufisunni" to "Sufishia". You're not a Sunni, that's a fact.

Please don't go about crying "Wahabi, Nejd, Saudi Arabia, British, bla bla bla".

You were shouting the Prophet spoke bad of Nejd, but did you also know that he spoke well of tribe of Bani Tameem. They're the severest of people against dajaal, but do you know Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdulwahab is from this tribe? Olodo!

Narrated Ibn ‘Umar: (The Prophet) said, “O Allah! Bless our Sham (Syria) and our Yemen.” People said, “Our Najd as well.” The Prophet again said, “O Allah! Bless our Sham and Yemen.” They said again, “Our Najd as well.” On that the Prophet said, “There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there appears the Horn of Satan.” (Book #17, Hadith #147, Bukhari)

Demmzy15:
OK o

AbdelKabir:


you better dont let him deceive you, sufisunni is the same person as president99, don't let him deceive you oo., it was after you opened that thread defending saudi, that was when he opened the sufisunni account, yeye.......tor I'm out .

Sufisunni:
Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab conspired with the British spies and waged civil war against the Turks to overthrow the Ottomans, check out Terrorism & The Illuminati: A Three Thousand Year History by David Livingstone. Google it and download it from Goodreads.com

The bolded is Muhammad Ibn Abdulwahab, according to his full blood brother and not me oo!

AbdelKabir:


you better dont let him deceive you, sufisunni is the same person as president99, don't let him deceive you oo., it was after you opened that thread defending saudi, that was when he opened the sufisunni account, yeye.......tor I'm out .

I smelt his body odour sha

Sufisunni:
Nope! stay in Mr know it all. Keep deceiving urself with president9

Demmzy15:
I smelt is body odour sha

AbdelKabir:


i like your nose oo

Extreme Soofees smell alot na