Qur'an 5:47
Let the people of the Injeel judge by what God has revealed in it.

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1. INJEEL

Qur'an repeats that Injeel is the book delivered to Jesus, just like the Qur'an is delivered to Muhammad. So, if we were to look through the Christian religious texts...

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1. INJEEL

Qur'an repeats that Injeel is the book delivered to Jesus, just like the Qur'an is delivered to Muhammad. So, if we were to look through the Christian religious texts of today what would be the equivalent of the Injeel?

The New Testament. The New testament is believed by Christians to have come after Jesus, written by noble men under divine inspiration.

The Muslim scholars contend that New Testament is not the Injeel, but a distorted, adulterated remnant of the Injeel. Yet, not only does the Qur'an never warn readers that Christians HAVE tempered with the Injeel or WILL tamper with the injeel, the Qur'an also demand that Christians live by the Injeel.

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1. INJEEL

Qur'an repeats that Injeel is the book delivered to Jesus, just like the Qur'an is delivered to Muhammad. So, if we were to look through the Christian religious texts of today what would be the equivalent of the Injeel?

The New Testament. The New testament is believed by Christians to have come after Jesus, written by noble men under divine inspiration.

The Muslim scholars contend that New Testament is not the Injeel, but a distorted, adulterated remnant of the Injeel. Yet, not only does the Qur'an never warn readers that Christians HAVE tempered with the Injeel or WILL tamper with the injeel, the Qur'an also demand that Christians live by the Injeel.

Qur'an 71:15
"Do you not see how Allah has created the seven heavens, one above another".

Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(See ye not) have you not been informed, O disbelievers of Mecca, (how Allah hath created seven heavens in harmony) He created them one above the other like a dome whose different parts are cemented with each other.

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2. The Seven Heavens



The first Muslims thought the heavens to be solid matter. As Ibn Abbas points, the seven heavens are layers of domes stacked together like 7 floors of a tower. This understanding of seven heavens would fit the prevalent understanding of the cosmos in the 7th century.

Qur'an 19:27-28
Then she came to her people, carrying him. They said, “O Mary, you have done something terrible. O sister of Aaron, your father was not an evil man, and your mother was not a LovePeddler.”

Qur'an 3:35-36
The wife of Imran said, “My Lord, I have vowed to You what is in my womb, dedicated, so accept from me; You are the Hearer and Knower.”

And when she delivered her, she said, “My Lord, I have delivered a female,” and God was well aware of what she has delivered, “and the male is not like the female, and I have named her Mary, and have commended her and her descendants to Your protection, from Satan the outcast.”

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3. Mary/Jesus

So, in the Qur'an, there is only one woman mentioned by name - Mary. Which makes it strange that Muslims do not understand her person. Muslims claim that she begot the penultimate prophet - Jesus - the man whom mainstream Christians worship as God, or the son of God.

Jesus lived in the 1st century, where he founded Christianity many centuries before Muhammad. There is overlooked, yet fundamental difference between the Jesus/Mary of Muslims/Christian tradition and the Jesus/Mary of the Qur'an. In the Qur'an, Mary was daughter to Amran & sister to Aaron, and this Aaron was brother to Moses.

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If it is indeed true that Judaism predate Christianity by nearly 2000 years, it would be inconceivable that Mary would be sister to Moses as the Qur'an seem to suggest. Meaning, unless the Qur'an mixed up the identities of these persons, they cannot be whom we've been bred to understand.

Or could they?

What if we're looking at co-incidences, what if Mary's father just happened to share the same name as Moses' father? What if Mary's brother just happened to share the same name as Moses' brother?

Not only would such coincidence be too far fetched but it wouldn't be in honor of the author of Qur'an, especially as the Qur'an never alert the reader to such coincidence nor avert misunderstanding of relevant verses due to such coincidences.

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"But usermane", you might say, "Why do I care? Qur'an never said Amran was father of Moses!" Fair enough. But who is Aaron? There is only one Aaron mentioned in the Qur'an - the brother of Moses!!

Muslim apologists have sought alternative meaning for "sister of Aaron", saying that sister might not mean blood sister, but sister in creed. This is in negligence of the fact that "brother/sister of" never qualifies the relationship between individuals that neither met nor lived the same days.

As can be seen in the following hadith, it does seem this became a huge conundrum for the early Muslims.

In the end, no Muslim can identify Jesus or Mary with certainty. In short, as they say, "Allahu a'lam."

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Sahih Muslim » The Book of Manners and Etiquette

When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read" O sister of Harun" (i. e. Hadrat Maryam) in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them.

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3. Mary/Jesus

So, in the Qur'an, there is only one woman mentioned by name - Mary. Which makes it strange that Muslims do not understand her person. Muslims claim that she begot the penultimate prophet - Jesus - the man whom mainstream Christians worship as God, or the son of God.

Jesus lived in the 1st century, where he founded Christianity many centuries before Muhammad. There is overlooked, yet fundamental difference between the Jesus/Mary of Muslims/Christian tradition and the Jesus/Mary of the Qur'an. In the Qur'an, Mary was daughter to Amran & sister to Aaron, and this Aaron was brother to Moses.

2:34 And We said to the angels, “Bow down to Adam.” They bowed down, except for Satan. He refused, was arrogant, and was one of the disbelievers.

budaatum:

You clearly have no understanding of Christianity. If you did, you'd know Jesus himself is this so called injeel you are seeking.

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Brother mane, after we have congratulated you that "o da bo o" you have left the Ummah, you come show again?! I know you are at liberty to post anywhere, I had thought you wouldn't have anything to do with us again, but I see you are looking for validation or you are proselytizing your new found (lack of) faith?!

Anyways, let me just say that seven heavens, the meaning and understanding can rightly be understood from the Qur'an! But I know you just like taking one verse, and find a way to suite your opinion regardless of what other verses might suggest. Please also note that the Qur'an had made mention of creations which cannot be SEEN by our naked eyes! Today a lot has been said about multiverse, dark matter, black hole etc. by scientists, but can we see them?!

If the verse states that "Do you not see how Allah has created the seven heavens, one above another", if you can't see the remaining six, at least you can see the one you look up to, does it look like something that anyone could have done except for the Creator?!

Bro mane, have you forgotten this verse of the Qur'an?

"O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah ]." (Qur'an 55:33)

Hello! Jinn are also creations of Allah (SWT) and they are amongst us, and we can't see them! Again, Allah (SWT) has given permission to explore the heavens, knowing fully well that man would definitely venture into space, and we are "SEEING" things that are mind blowing! Giving credence to the truth that Allah (SWT) is indeed the creator, because there isn't any better explanation for all these!

Finally, Allah (SWT) states in the Qur'an:

"It is Allah who has created seven heavens and of the earth, the like of them. [His] command descends among them so you may know that Allah is over all things competent and that Allah has encompassed all things in knowledge." (Qur'an 65:12)

The 7th century Muslims understood that there are creations of Allah (SWT) that cannot be seen by the naked eyes except by permission of Allah, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and if they explained it the way they understood it, using analogy of a tower with dome layers doesn't mean they were wrong and that we can't use our own analogy from modern science to explain this!

All in all, if you want to see the seven heavens, you should look at the one you can see! Do you have better explanations for how it came to be?!

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Continuing from where you stopped:

The Christians at the time of the Prophet objected to this verse on the grounds that it was meant literally, but the Prophet answered their question.

Mughira ibn Shu’ba reported: When I came to Najran, the Christian monks asked me, “You recite the verse: O sister of Aaron (19:28), whereas Moses was born long before Jesus by such-and-such years.” When I came back to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, I asked him about it and he said:

إِنَّهُمْ كَانُوا يُسَمُّونَ بِأَنْبِيَائِهِمْ وَالصَّالِحِينَ قَبْلَهُمْ

Verily, they would name people with the names of prophets and righteous people who had gone before them.

Source: Sahih Muslim 2135, Grade: Sahih

Ibn Kathir reported:

Alli ibn Abu Talha and As-Suddi said: It was said to her: O sister of Aaron (19:28), meaning the brother of Moses because she was from among his descendants.

Ibn Kathir added:

This is like saying to somebody from the Tamimi tribe: O brother of at-Tamim, or to somebody from the al-Mudari tribe: O brother of Mudar.

Source: Tafseer Ibn Kathir, verse 19:28

Muhammad Asad comments on the verse, saying:

In ancient Semitic usage, a person’s name was often linked with that of a renowned ancestor or founder of the tribal line. Thus, for instance, a man of the tribe of Banu Tamim was sometimes addressed as “son of Tamim” or “brother of Tamim.” Since Mary belonged to the priestly caste, and hence descended from Aaron, the brother of Moses, she was called a “sister of Aaron,” in the same way as her cousin Elizabeth, the wife of Zachariah, is spoken of in Luke 1:5 as one of “the daughters of Aaron.”

Source: Message of the Quran

Therefore, the verse is not a historical mistake, but rather it is in perfect agreement with the Semitic languages and ancient custom.

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What do you think of this verse?

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What do you think of this verse?

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First, I didn't say it is historical mistake. I haven't used the word "mistake, error, contradiction" or anything critical of the Qur'an in this post. You, and especially the nosy guy suffer from intense paranoia that even the though the aim of this is to cite Muslims' misunderstanding of Qur'an, you still see it as direct attack on Islam or Qur'an. Grow up.

Second, in any language at all, "sister of" only describes the relationship between blood relatives or individuals that have met and united for a course. In this case, unless Mary is the blood sister of Aaron or met and pursue a common course with Aaron, it is not suitable to describe her as his sister.

Descendants are described as 'son/daughter/children of' ancestor(s). For instance, Jesus - son of David, Mankind - children of Adam. Descendants are not described as brother or sister of their ancestors.

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I don't need your validation and I don't need to proselytize. I just love to write, especially on interesting ideas pertaining to Islam.



Their analogy is misleading. Especially if you know that the seven heavens originally represented the 7 concentric celestial spheres of the geocentric universe model, along which the sun, moon and 5 visible planets where thought to orbit the earth.

Again, the Qur'an asks, "Do you not see?", if it is unseen creation, why ask the readers if they see it? "Do you not see" is an inquiry for whether one witnessed something.

Empiree:
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