And I'll tell you,, in all Northern states (NE & NW).

Yoruba are More than igbos... starting From Niger to Kaduna to sokoto then to Bornu....

lemme ask you how many Igbos are schooling in the north.....

Yoruba's are up to 20% if not more in each northern state . while igbos are less than 2% of their population ..
How many igbos want to go north And I'll tell you,, in all Northern states (NE & NW).

Yoruba are More than igbos... starting From Niger to Kaduna to sokoto then to Bornu....

lemme ask you how many Igbos are schooling in the north.....

Yoruba's are up to 20% if not more in each northern state . while igbos are less than 2% of their population ..
How many igbos want to go north

In Kwara state alone...
Every day people go to North.. (sokoto, Kano, Kaduna, Minna , kogi , Zamfara, kastina ) in large numbers,, so don't say what you don't know

Yes, Nigerian census definitely doctors the data to suit the North. From the outset, Igbos have being the most populated. When I believed concretely that Igbos are the most populated was when I went through Jamb's registration data which is more comprehensive. Those figures were hotly debated here on Nairaland and the shocker was that Igbos states dwarfred the Yoruba states in both enrolment and admission figures. Someone should help with the data pls.

Many lies and half-truths about Igbos were invalidated such as;
1. Igbos don't go to school (while Jamb's statistics proved otherwise. Imo was consistent in being number one for the last 20 years in both enrolment and admission)

2. Igbo males are illiterates, traders and shopkeepers ( While Jamb's figures revealed that more males from the South Eastern staesenrolled and got admitted than more males from the South Western states) Same goes to the females also.

3. If more Igbo males are in school and a huge number of them litter the streets and markets trading, what does that tell you about their population?

4. Igbo states are heavily populated as the Jamb,s data revealed. This shows that we have more younger persons in the South East than the South West.

5. It shows that Igbos are going to school more than the Yorubas


I carefully omitted the North because of low drive in Western education in that region.


I didn't include Rivers and Delta states which have substantial population of indigenous Igbos which dwarfed both Kogi and Kwara in the stats.

Even here in Uniuyo, Akwa Ibom state, it is between tyhe Akwa ibomites and the Igbos in population. Yorubas are even nearly non-existent here.

I understand that we lost millions during the civil war but for Igbos to still re-surface, reivigorate, replenish and come to rub shoulders with the Yorubas is still amazing.

Someone should help with those data here biko ka anyi mechitu ndia onu.
Igbo erika,
Igbo nwere mmadu.

Interesting. I hadn't thought of JAMB. I work as a contract data and statistical analyst for a consulting firm. If someone could point me to the JAMB data sets, that would be nice. I'd appreciate it.

https://www.nairaland.com/3639547/jamb-application-admission-data-gender/1#53892839

https://www.nairaland.com/3639547/jamb-application-admission-data-gender/1#53892839


cc. ChinenyeN

ChinenyeN:
Interesting. I hadn't thought of JAMB. I work as a contract data and statistical analyst for a consulting firm. If someone could point me to the JAMB data sets, that would be nice. I'd appreciate it.

I have posted the links. Gud to see you are Ngwa. Mum is from Ngwa, Itu Ngwa precisely. Biko, nyere m aka helite the important findings nu na those threads. System mji anaghi emepele those files ma sevuo ya. Daalu dede.

Chinachriss, nmanma.

The JAMB data still won't answer actual population census questions, but I still thought it may be interesting to look at and play around with in terms of analyzing it. Who knows, maybe some playful analysis might yield some interesting insights.

ChinenyeN:
Interesting. I hadn't thought of JAMB. I work as a contract data and statistical analyst for a consulting firm. If someone could point me to the JAMB data sets, that would be nice. I'd appreciate it.

See then.









Ranking of Geopolitical regions by Applications numbers | % of National Figures

1 - South West - 2,646,731 | 22.85%

2 - South East - 2,593,265 | 22.32%

3 - South South - 2,407,902 | 20.73%

4 - North Central - 2,005,319 | 17.22%

5 - North West - 1,210,545 | 10.41%

6 - North East - 726,000 | 6.23%

20.8 of the students from the North Central were of Yoruba Origin. That's 3.578% + 22.85%.
That's 26.428%

Make of that whatever you will, but know that you can't use that to judge or estimate population AT ALL otherwise the Hausas and Fulanis would be some of the smaller groups in the country.

YonkijiSappo:
Make of that whatever you will, but know that you can't use that to judge or estimate population AT ALL otherwise the Hausas and Fulanis would be some of the smaller groups in the country.

Thanks. I appreciate you sharing that information. As far as judging the estimate population, I'm aware of that. I stated that as part of my response to Chinachriss.

JAMB's limitations result from the fact that its data comes from applications. If an individual doesn't apply, then the individual cannot be represented the the data set. Naturally, it means that JAMB cannot be thought of as representative of the actual population. Only a legitimate census can provide that information.

ChinenyeN:
Chinachriss, nmanma.

The JAMB data still won't answer actual population census questions, but I still thought it may be interesting to look at and play around with in terms of analyzing it. Who knows, maybe some playful analysis might yield some interesting insights.

Alright but as for me, Jamb's data are more reliable than our bogus census doctored to favour the north. The last census for e.g proclaimed Kano as being more populous than Lagos. Incredible.

ChinenyeN:


Thanks. I appreciate you sharing that information. As far as judging the estimate population, I'm aware of that. I stated that as part of my response to Chinachriss.

JAMB's limitations result from the fact that its data comes from applications. If an individual doesn't apply, then the individual cannot be represented the the data set. Naturally, it means that JAMB cannot be thought of as representative of the actual population. Only a legitimate census can provide that information.

Yes. All these other guesstimating techniques have their shortfalls, Only a census can be 100% precise.
But we can do a rough analysis.

YonkijiSappo, the images in your post look like they come as screenshots of a spreadsheet. Is there a link to that spreadsheet data on JAMB's site? I ask because it's either I can download the data set straight from them, or I'll just have to retype the spreadsheet locally on my own machine.

Chinachriss:


I didn't include Rivers and Delta states which have substantial population of indigenous Igbos which dwarfed both Kogi and Kwara in the stats.

As you can see from the stats, Rivers isn't even that natively populated, lol. Rivers is a state of immigrants. The Third most populated state in the south that isn't even in the top 10. Rivers is full of Imo people and others lol. It is like Lagos state on a smaller level.
Your assertions are clearly wrong, as Both Kwara and Kogi have more applications than Rivers, while Aniomaland (including the isokos of Ndokwa and the mixed population of the capital) constitutes 31.5% of the Delta state population....soooo do the math.

ChinenyeN:
YonkijiSappo, the images in your post look like they come as screenshots of a spreadsheet. Is there a link to that spreadsheet data on JAMB's site? I ask because it's either I can download the data set straight from them, or I'll just have to retype the spreadsheet locally on my own machine.

Yup, I made the spreadsheet myself using data from the NBS website, which was already posted.
Here: http://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/report/517

You can verify the info (if you like) and type directly from my spreadsheet to do your analysis.

YonkijiSappo:


As you can see from the stats, Rivers isn't even that natively populated, lol. Rivers is a state of immigrants. The Third most populated state in the south that isn't even in the top 10. Rivers is full of Imo people and others lol. It is like Lagos state on a smaller level.
Your assertions are clearly wrong, as Both Kwara and Kogi have more applications than Rivers, while Aniomaland (including the isokos of Ndokwa and the mixed population of the capital) constitutes 31.5% of the Delta state population....soooo do the math.

do the maths ni. I nobe statistician abegi. But, Rivers fall hands o. ChinenyeN, check the second thread and see other years.

YonkijiSappo:


As you can see from the stats, Rivers isn't even that natively populated, lol. Rivers is a state of immigrants. The Third most populated state in the south that isn't even in the top 10. Rivers is full of Imo people and others lol. It is like Lagos state on a smaller level.
Your assertions are clearly wrong, as Both Kwara and Kogi have more applications than Rivers, while Aniomaland (including the isokos of Ndokwa and the mixed population of the capital) constitutes 31.5% of the Delta state population....soooo do the math.

do the maths ni. I nobe statistician abegi. But, Rivers fall hands o. ChinenyeN, check the second thread I posted and see other years and calculate for a ten year period biko.

Chinachriss:
do the maths ni. I nobe statistician abegi. But, Rivers fall hands o. ChinenyeN, check the second thread and see other years.

lol, what are you doing on a thread about analysis if you can't do math?

YonkijiSappo:


lol, what are you doing on a thread about analysis if you can't do math?

I can calculate joor but that's not my field. You are cunning. You chose from 2010-2016 where Yorubas have upper hand, why not do an elongated period analysis? See your cunning head.

Chinachriss:
I can calculate joor but that's not my field. You are cunning. You chose from 2010-2016 where Yorubas have upper hand, why not do an elongated period analysis? See your cunning head.

I didn't "chose" 2010 to 2016.
I simply analysed what was available on the NBS website.
Na you get cunning head. You had also posted the same source from the NBS website as me before, before realizing Yorubas had the upper hand in it. Now you are asking for a longer time frame .

YonkijiSappo:


I didn't "chose" 2010 to 2016.
I simply analysed what was available on the NBS website.
Na you get cunning head. You had also posted the same source from the NBS website as me before, before realizing Yorubas had the upper hand in it. Now you are asking for a longer time frame .

I didn't choose joor. You are trying to make mockery of my chose, which is very correct. Chose is the past tense of choose. Never mind, I trust ChinenyeN. he will do a longer period analysis.

YonkijiSappo:


Yup, I made the spreadsheet myself using data from the NBS website, which was already posted.
Here: http://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/report/517

You can verify the info (if you like) and type directly from my spreadsheet to do your analysis.

Awesome. Thanks a lot. This should be fun and interesting.

In the interest of full disclosure, I probably should say that I have no intentions of analyzing the available data for the sake of this thread. This thread is about indigenous populations and not JAMB applicants/applications. I simply enjoy toying with data and just think it might be interesting to toy around with the JAMB data and see what insights reveal themselves.

There is a small possibility that the analysis might be useful for some overly gross population estimates, but that would require making [likely unverifiable] assumptions on certain key factors. So, essentially it will still be speculation, like anything else. So, population isn't my primary reason for this, but if anything interesting turns up relevant to it, then I wouldn't mind sharing that. Again, it would still be speculation though, so no one should get their hopes up.

ChinenyeN:
In the interest of full disclosure, I probably should say that I have no intentions of analyzing the available data for the sake of this thread. This thread is about indigenous populations and not JAMB applicants/applications. I simply enjoy toying with data and just think it might be interesting to toy around with the JAMB data and see what insights reveal themselves.

There is a small possibility that the analysis might be useful for some overly gross population estimates, but that would require making [likely unverifiable] assumptions on certain key factors. So, essentially it will still be speculation, like anything else. So, population isn't my primary reason for this, but if anything interesting turns up relevant to it, then I wouldn't mind sharing that. Again, it would still be speculation though, so no one should get their hopes up.

Alright bro, but try and do a longer period analysis. I'd really appreciate. Thanks for your mature and non-sentimental responses though. Na me and Yankiji will slug that out just for fun o o! Yankijisappo, where you dey?

RockHard:


Why are you ranting? Argue with facts. At least that chap showed some data, why not also counter him with some data that can be verified? You people are known/reputed noisemakers who throw numbers around. Going by the amount of noises you all make, one would've thought that your states in the SE would be amongst the most populated in the entire country, but the facts have revealed repeatedly that you guys are actually THE LEAST populated zone in the entire country! No data anywhere supports your claims. Whether it be recent census or what have you. I have often shown the attached screenshots of registered phone/internet subscribers data to show the estimated/ballpark population spread of Nigerian states (note that just the population of Oyo and Ogun alone outnumbers the entire SE! that's minus Osun, Ondo and Ekiti (or the worthy mentions of Kwara and parts of Kogi). From that data, asides Anambra, no SE state is more populated than any SW state minus Ekiti. This isn't noisemaking but rather credible data. Even if Igbos are 30% of Lagos population, Yorubas still outnumber you guys by far! Face the fact, you people are fond of making wild and exaggerated claims about your population strength yet una no fit prove am.

http://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/report/486

This your analysis is flawed. You can't use the number of internet subscribers to rate a people's population. Also, who told you SE is the least populated zone in Nigeria? SE zone is the most densely populated area in Nigeria and probably west africa after Lagos, which we know is multi-ethnic and cosmopolitan. Third, about half of the Igbo population is based out of SE and swell up population figures of other states in Nigeria. Why do you think state of origin was removed from census forms but replaced instead with state of residence? The Igbos are an overwhelming majority in SE, up to 40% of Lagos population and make up substantial percentages of the population of other states. As of 1921, the census of southern Nigeria showed Igbo to be leading and Yorubas next. How Yorubas suddenly became a majority population overnight raises suspicion.

^^ That is not even an analysis.
Don't talk about population density, talk of Population. Density means nothing actually. The population density of the USA is only 33 people per square km, with more than 315 million people. Also, there are so many Americans living in other countries. As close as canada is to USA with about 320 million people, there aren't up to 1 million Americans living there. That is to tell you how careful you should be when throwing millions around.
And that 1920's "guestimate" can not be taken as factual, especially when there was no actual headcount anywhere. European speculation is what it is at best, and should remain in the realms of colonial speculation where it belongs.

On the other hand, to be sincere Igbos don't make up to 40% of Lagos. More like 20-25%

You are so funny. If Igbos are 40% of Lagos, the city won't have the same character it has today.
Because it would have become more or less an Igbo secondary city. Especially given that if the Yorubas are like 50% then the other tribes would be surely less than 10% ~ Impossible.
A 40% igbo population plus maybe a 10% south south populace will be dictating the policy and very nature of the city.

YonkijiSappo:
^^ That is not even an analysis.
Don't talk about population density, talk of Population. Density means nothing actually. The population density of the USA is only 33 people per square km, with more than 315 million people. Also, there are so many Americans living in other countries. As close as canada is to USA with about 320 million people, there aren't up to 1 million Americans living there. That is to tell you how careful you should be when throwing millions around.
And that 1920's "guestimate" can not be taken as factual, especially when there was no actual headcount anywhere. European speculation is what it is at best, and should remain in the realms of colonial speculation where it belongs.

On the other hand, to be sincere Igbos don't make up to 40% of Lagos. More like 20-25%

You call Nigerian census factual? I'd rather take an European 'guestimate' over a 'properly conducted' Nigerian census. You can bet on the heavens that the European 'guestimate' will be of better accuracy than 'Nigerian census'.

bigfrancis21:


You call Nigerian census factual? I'd rather take an European 'guestimate' over a 'properly conducted' Nigerian census. You can bet on the heavens that the European 'guestimate' will be of better accuracy than 'Nigerian census'.

Well then, the CIA world factbook and UN Population clock for Nigeria are "Euro-American" "guesstimates", so I suggest you go take a look at them.
And a 2016 European guesstimate in an age of information and advanced demographic tools thumps a 1921 European guesstimate in an age of general ignorance anyday.

YonkijiSappo:
You are so funny. If Igbos are 40% of Lagos, the city won't have the same character it has today.
Because it would have become more or less an Igbo secondary city. Especially given that if the Yorubas are like 50% then the other tribes would be surely less than 10% ~ Impossible.
A 40% igbo population plus maybe a 10% south south populace will be dictating the policy and very nature of the city.

The 40% estimated population is just about right. You can deny that all day but the reality of Lagos points to that up to the extent that Oba Rilwan was scared that the Igbo population could vote in the PDP candidate, Agbaje, against the Yoruba preferred candidate. Yes it's that real.

Igbos being in Lagos' political power or not does not negate their population in Lagos. Just as it is in other Nigerian states, the power of the state lies in some select group of people.

bigfrancis21:


The 40% estimated population is just about right. You can deny that all day but the reality of Lagos points to that up to the extent that Oba Rilwan was scared that the Igbo population could vote in the PDP candidate, Agbaje, against the Yoruba preferred candidate. Yes it's that real.

Igbos being in Lagos political power or not does not negate their population in Lagos. Just as it is in other Nigerian states, the power of the state lies in some select group of people.

lol I won't even argue this.
You might as well bring it up an extra 10% and say one of every two persons in Lagos is Igbo.

bigfrancis21:


The 40% estimated population is just about right. You can deny that all day but the reality of Lagos points to that up to the extent that Oba Rilwan was scared that the Igbo population could vote in the PDP candidate, Agbaje, against the Yoruba preferred candidate. Yes it's that real.

Igbos being in Lagos political power or not does not negate their population in Lagos. Just as it is in other Nigerian states, the power of the state lies in some select group of people.

If Lagos is about 40% Igbo, then what's left of ethnic groups like Hausa and others? If we were to say that Igbos are the largest minority, and the rest of the non-Yoruba population is 10%. That doesn't look that bad until you now consider that Yoruba will now be 50% which would mean that the population of Igbos and Yorubas in Lagos would be almost the same.

I don't think that's right. Even if the percentage is that high, there is no way of knowing without a proper census. Nigerian census is a shame based on my own personal accounts.

YonkijiSappo:


Well then, the CIA world factbook and UN Population clock for Nigeria are "Euro-American" "guesstimates", so I suggest you go take a look at them.
And a 2016 European guesstimate in an age of information and advanced demographic tools thumps a 1921 European guesstimate in an age of general ignorance anyday.

I don't rely on CIA world factbook that much because they are meant to give a general overview and nothing concrete. For example they said that Nigerians are 50% Muslim, 40% Christian and 10% traditional adherents. These are clear cut numbers they've been using since almost two decades ago that they haven't update. This is why I rely on Ethnologue-Nigeria, especially for maps.

I also like to use Joshua project Nigeria.
https://joshuaproject.net/countries/NI

They actually give a list of all the ethnic groups in Nigeria, the number and religious breakdown. It's amazing what they've documented. It maybe not perfect, but it's far reliable than our own census irregardless of the organization's objectives. They even have some recordings of the languages.