SIRmanjar:
My country pipo make I leave the goat for now.I wan go enjoy my cold drink come back continue to dey bash im UGLEE face.

Ogun kill you as you are running away. B.astard

SIRmanjar:
My country pipo make I leave the goat for now, im nor get talk.I wan go enjoy my cold drink come back continue to dey bash im UGLEE face.

Worthless animal running away, were you not the cursed ediot that said you wont leave this thread. You have met the wrong person cos i will make your life more miserable. Dirty looking criminal

where is dat dirty UGLEE boy?

Where is that mad son of an urchin?

Where that osun bricklayer boss?

Wey that born troway?

Wey that I for use nylon fucck my wife no born dat useless ugly pikin,as I no fit buy condom?

Is he still alive or dead?

I go refresh mysef with one chilled bottle of udeme ad plenty meat..Where is that e goat make we enter round 3..

Omo see me see that mad man oo abi na by force to be person brother again?My king say I be bini,one mad osun bricklayer wan force brother give me..As long as my king has spoken,I am a confirm bini boy..SIMPLE!

SIRmanjar:

Mtcheewww!Lame im nor sweet..I say I go leave una two make una rack..Be warned We are warriors from bini.I trust her to beat you silly.so mr jobless you are free to fight her. I must catch you I don see ur uglly face trust me.

why u dey treathen Tunde? You want make him kawai.

I have just watched Oba of Lagos interview on YouTube where he declared that Lagos does not belong to Benin.
Please watch from minute 5.40 in the video. The fact that he is being referred to as Kabiyesi also proves he is a Yoruba Monarch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno

In the first minute of the interview below,the interviewer said that Lagos was first settled by the Awori a sub group of the Yoruba and the Oba of Lagos did not disagree


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i83Sa-HptDQ

In 1903 the British colonial Governor of Lagos (Sir William Macgregor) requested the Ooni travel to Lagos and rule among the Lagos Chiefs who was entitled to wear a beaded crown in Yorubaland.


Kingdoms of the Yoruba page 13.
By Robert Sydney Smith

Why did you live out the fact that the Oba recognizes that the royal court and all noblemen of lagos and all lagosians who know their tradition pay tribute to the Oba of Benin: 5:28.
why are you guys so dishonnest ? Even your onni keeps telling a lot of lies.
And look it is impossible for the Oba or anybody for that matter to know who were the first settlers of Lagos, to get that info you would need to invent a time machine since nobody left documents written on this subject in that period of time.
You guys are dishonnest and illogical.
The Oba and the precolonial maps and the british recognize that Lagos was part of the Benin empire, you guys are the only ones who keep denying this.

Christistruth00:
I have just watched Oba of Lagos interview on YouTube where he declared that Lagos does not belong to Benin.
Please watch from minute 5.40 in the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno

In the first minute of the interview below,the interviewer said that Lagos was first settled by the Awori a sub group of the Yoruba and the Oba of Lagos did not disagree


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i83Sa-HptDQ

In 1903 the British colonial Governor of Lagos (Sir William Macgregor) requested the Ooni travel to Lagos and rule among the Lagos Chiefs who was entitled to wear a beaded crown in Yorubaland.


Kingdoms of the Yoruba page 13.
By Robert Sydney Smith

history2901:
Why did you live out the fact that the Oba recognizes that the royal court and all noblemen of lagos and all lagosians who know their tradition pay tribute to the Oba of Benin: 5:28.
why are you guys so dishonnest ? Even your onni keeps telling a lot of lies.
And look it is impossible for the Oba or anybody for that matter to know who were the first settlers of Lagos, to get that info you would need to invent a time machine since nobody left documents written on this subject in that period of time.
You guys are dishonnest and illogical.
The Oba and the precolonial maps and the british recognize that Lagos was part of the Benin empire, you guys are the only ones who keep denying this.

Did you know the Oba was referring to Isale Eko Chief's and not all Lagos Chiefs in 5.28? That was why he said at Enu Owa. Do you know that Victoria Island ,Ikoyi and the Lagos mainland are outside his Jurisdiction ?

The British royal family are of German origin .does that mean England belongs to Germany?
Was the first Oba of Benin not Oranmiyan of Ile ife?

By the way since the time of Ologun kutere son of princess Erelu kuti in 1780 all Oba of Lagos trace their paternal ancestry to Ilesa in Osun state.

Did you notice that the interviewer refers to him as Kabiyesi?

"Irrespective of dialect divide, Yoruba salute their oba "kabiyesi" meaning that his authority is not subject to question from anyone as all powers belong to him. The Christians in Yoruba land see Jesus as Oba; "

Yoruba Creativity: Fiction, Language, Life and Songs
edited by Toyin Falola, Ann Genova. Page 299

Did Ogedengbe the generalissimo of Ilesa and Ekiti parapo forces not invade Edo territory in 1878 and was about to overrun and take Benin city if not for the desperate attempts of the Oba of Benin in pacifying him?
Do you know many Edo"s still bear the Yoruba surname Ogedengbe today?
Please find out the truth.

Christistruth00:


Did you know the Oba was referring to Isale Eko Chief's and not all Lagos Chiefs in 5.28? Do you know that Victoria Island ,Ikoyi and the Lagos mainland are outside his Jurisdiction ?

The British royal family are of German origin .does that mean England belongs to Germany?
Was the first Oba of Benin not Oranmiyan of Ile ife?

By the way since the time of Ologunkutere son of princess Erelu kuti all Oba of Lagos trace their paternal ancestry to Ilesa in Osun state.

Did you notice that the interviewer refers to him as Kabiyesi?

"Irrespective of dialect divide, Yoruba salute their oba "kabiyesi" meaning that his authority is not subject to question from anyone as all powers belong to him. The Christians in Yoruba land see Jesus as oba; "

Yoruba Creativity: Fiction, Language, Life and Songs
edited by Toyin Falola, Ann Genova. Page 299

1) You don't seem to understand what I say. I said "Lagos was part of the Benin empire". I don't care where the royal familly of lagos comes from, and as you pointed out , that is irrelevent.
2) This is one of the reasons I hate talking history with nigerians: you guys confuse actual history with fairytales and legends. Look Oranmiyan is a legend !!!!!!!! There is no record about him, would you guys just stop bringing illogical arguments into debates ? Even the Benin Legend (of which you guys like to agree with only the half which pleases you) says that Izoduwa, the father of Oranmiyan is the son of an Ogiso.
3) Also to the best of my knowledge, on the video which you posted, the Oba of Lagos points out to the fact that the entire royal class of Lagos sings tribute to the Oba of Benin.
4) Let it be, you guys can not keep fighting against the truth.

history2901:


1) You don't seem to understand what I say. I said "Lagos was part of the Benin empire". I don't care where the royal familly of lagos comes from, and as you pointed out , that is irrelevent.
2) This is one of the reasons I hate talking history with nigerians: you guys confuse actual history with fairytales and legends. Look Oranmiyan is a legend !!!!!!!! There is no record about him, would you guys just stop bringing illogical arguments into debates ? Even the Benin Legend (of which you guys like to agree with only the half which pleases you) says that Izoduwa, the father of Oranmiyan is the son of an Ogiso.
3) Also to the best of my knowledge, on the videowhich you posted, the Oba points out to the fact that the entire royal class of Lagos sings tribute to the Oba of Benin.
4) Let it be, you guys can not keep fighting against the truth.

Just because Isale Eko was under Benin for a while does not make Lagos state benin territory.

9jakool:

Just because Isale Eko was under Benin for a while does not make Lagos state benin territory.

The first pre-colonial map of the area was made more than 600 years ago and it shows lagos as part of Benin empire, and I am talking about the entire Lagos and even more than just Lagos, most of southwest nigeria and even territory outside nigeria were also part of the Benin empire.
So get your facts right. Why so much hate for the truth ?

history2901:

The first pre-colonial map of the area was made more than 600 years ago and it shows lagos as part of Benin empire, and I am talking about the entire Lagos and even more than just Lagos, most of southwest nigeria and even territory outside nigeria were also part of the Benin empire.
So get your facts right. Why so much hate for the truth ?

Give me a list of SW Yoruba groups that were under Benin.

9jakool:

Give me a list of SW Yoruba groups that were under Benin.

See for yourself:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=biafra?rk=21459;2

history2901:

See for yourself:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=biafra?rk=21459;2

Give me a list, not a map
give me a list of towns and subgroups of Yoruba under Benin.

9jakool:


Give me a list, not a map
give me a list of towns and subgroups of Yoruba under Benin.

Give me a salary, then I will use the map to determine the list. As far as you don't give me a salary, you will have to do the work youself.

history2901:

Give me a salary, then I will use the map to determine the list. As far as you don't give me a salary, you will have to do the work youself.

saalary ko, salari ni.

If you rely on European maps to tell your people's history, then you are in no position to speak for Yoruba's history or parts of Yorubaland that fought Benin since you unable to tell me upfront. Don't you have oral stories that talk about Benin wars in Yorubaland? I know of towns and Yoruba groups that faced constant threat from Benin invaders. See...I know because of historical accounts that Yoruba people have kept of the Benin forces centuries ago without the need to use Eurocentric maps.

It seems I can't have a rational conversation with you guys. Half of you are crazy, the rest are just st.upid.
Have a good weekend and go back to school, you need some sense. No offense.

9jakool:


saalary ko, salari ni.

If you rely on European maps to tell your people's history, then you are in no position to speak for Yoruba's history or parts of Yorubaland that fought Benin since you unable to tell me upfront. Don't you have oral stories that talk about Benin wars in Yorubaland? I know of towns and Yoruba groups that faced constant threat from Benin invaders. See...I know because of historical accounts that Yoruba people have kept of the Benin forces centuries ago without the need to use Eurocentric maps.

history2901:
It seems I can't have a rational conversation with you guys. Half of you are crazy, the rest are just st.upid.
Have a good weekend and go back to school, you need some sense. No offense.

When they can no longer defend their claims, they run away like madmen and yell stupid at their opponents.

Have a good day.

No, look I only ran out of patience (besides I am not in a very good physical condition right now).
I like opponents who prove me wrong, no problem with that
What I hate however is when I provide proof and employ only logics, and yet the opponent keeps bringing out gibberish to rubbish my work.
At a certain point you have to recognize an opponent who is not ready to face the truth and will always claim his original claim no matter how many proves you give him. When the person you are debating is not reasonable, you have to cut your loses and move on with your life.

9jakool:


When they can no longer defend their claims, they run away like madmen and yell stupid at their opponents.

Have a good day.

history2901:


1) You don't seem to understand what I say. I said "Lagos was part of the Benin empire". I don't care where the royal familly of lagos comes from, and as you pointed out , that is irrelevent.
2) This is one of the reasons I hate talking history with nigerians: you guys confuse actual history with fairytales and legends. Look Oranmiyan is a legend !!!!!!!! There is no record about him, would you guys just stop bringing illogical arguments into debates ? Even the Benin Legend (of which you guys like to agree with only the half which pleases you) says that Izoduwa, the father of Oranmiyan is the son of an Ogiso.
3) Also to the best of my knowledge, on the video which you posted, the Oba of Lagos points out to the fact that the entire royal class of Lagos sings tribute to the Oba of Benin.
4) Let it be, you guys can not keep fighting against the truth.

Please read this document written by Sir Alfred Moloney British Colonial Governor of Lagos written in 1890.Can you in the third paragraph see where he describes the 1069sq miles of the protectorate of Lagos as part of the Yoruba territory?

history2901:
No, look I only ran out of patience (besides I am not in a very good physical condition right now).
I like opponents who prove me wrong, no problem with that
What I hate however is when I provide proof and employ only logics, and yet the opponent keeps bringing out gibberish to rubbish my work.
At a certain point you have to recognize an opponent who is not ready to face the truth and will always claim his original claim no matter how many proves you give him. When the person you are debating is not reasonable, you have to cut your loses and move on with you life.

I asked a simple question of a list of Benin's territories in Yorubaland because I thought you were an expert on Benin's history, you instead gave me a Dutch explorer map depicting the location of Benin as if I don't know where Benin is located. The non-detailed map failed to show Yoruba groups that were under Benin, which was my question in the first place. I asked the same question again, you asked for a salary for you to decipher the map. I then asked you if you have any oral accounts from your people that talks about the Benin expansion into Yorubaland, you then proceeded to call me stupid.
I never desire "proof." I know what parts of Yoruba land were under Benin's influence, I'm not insecure to admit that for a fact. I only directed the same question to you for confirmation.

If you are not in a physical condition right now, then I respect that and we can continue our conversation some other time.

Could you please tell me the source of the book "in which british library is it" and also I would like to have all inforation on that book from the british library which is hosting it. And since the alleged author of the book keeps talking about the past (things which allegedly happened at least 60 years before he allegedly wrote the book), I would like to see historical documents proving those things.
You should take a look at the more than 400 year old map which I provided and comment over it.

Christistruth00:


Please read this document written by Sir Alfred Moloney British Colonial Governor of Lagos written in 1890.Can you in the third paragraph see where he describes the 1069sq miles of the protectorate of Lagos as part of the Yoruba territory?

Guys, we will talk later. I have many other precolonial maps showing the vastness of the Benin empire. Right now I have to go and rest. Have a nice weekend. Also don't expect me to give you a list of yoruba towns and villages, you know some of those towns and villages might not have existed 200 years ago. So let us keep it logical. All I can do is provide pre-colonial maps. Which show the Benin empire (the europeans refered to it as Benin Kingdom or just Benin, and they referred to its capital as Benin city which is the Benin city of today.).Take care.

history2901:
It seems I can't have a rational conversation with you guys. Half of you are crazy, the rest are just st.upid.
Have a good weekend and go back to school, you need some sense. No offense.

You are arrogant like a typical Bini villager. Those guys schooled you on this thread but you keep insulting them when boxed to a corner, why throw insult when you can just admit you have no working brain to debate. I read this thread from A-Z, you are a disgrace to the whole Bini people.

Oxtonguy:
Now this tribes nw unite trow away the language they spoke before and their culture now adopt the the yoruba language and culture you can be so desperate to make a point the word "tribe" must chattel another meaning in ur dictionary

Man stop deluding yourself, you know the truth, the Oba has spoken and I want you to get that into your fvcking skull,

9jakool:


I asked a simple question of a list of Benin's territories in Yorubaland because I thought you were an expert on Benin's history, you instead gave me a Dutch explorer map depicting the location of Benin as if I don't know where Benin is located. The non-detailed map failed to show Yoruba groups that were under Benin, which was my question in the first place. I asked the same question again, you asked for a salary for you to decipher the map. I then asked you if you have any oral accounts from your people that talks about the Benin expansion into Yorubaland, you then proceeded to call me stupid.
I never desire "proof." I know what parts of Yoruba land were under Benin's influence, I'm not insecure to admit that for a fact. I only directed the same question to you for confirmation.

If you are not in a physical condition right now, then I respect that and we can continue our conversation some other time.

You should not be wasting your time on that arrogant villager. He was boxed to a corner many times on this thread then he resort to insult and name calling. He was schooled on the origin of Obaship in his Benin then he resort to insulting that guy and even claiming he knows nothing about Oranmiyan. You know nothing and still insulting those that are schooling you for free, you really have a lot of time to waste on an arrogant cum ignorant troll.

hundredhunndred:


You are ignorant but arrogance wont let you admit it. Oba of Benin on his coronation said Oranmiyan was the first Oba and brought that title to Benin, after him was his son, Eweka 1. He was correcting the falsehood being spread by wicked people like you and even said he is the 40th and not 39th Oba of Benin. Read it here and cure your ignorance once instead of insulting people.



Oba Ewuare II, who explained why he should be regarded as the 40th Oba of Benin contrary to the belief that he is the 39th Oba, said: “There may be some divergent views about the origin of some of our ancestors but there is unanimity in the shared heritage between the people of Benin and Ile-Ife in identifying Oduduwa as a forebear of kingship in parts of Africa and Nigeria of today. “Historians all agreed that Oduduwa sent his son Oranmiyan as requested by elders of Benin to return with them as ruler of their realm. Oranmiyan stayed in Benin, but his stay was short. But by the time he left he had a son known today as Eweka I. Oranmiyan’s time in Benin was however short-lived, he was an Oba. So he was the first Oba after the Ogiso dynasty, he established Obaship in Benin. Therefore the listing of past Obas should start from Oranmiyan. This actually made my late father the 39th Oba of Benin while I am the 40th Oba of Benin.”

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/10/pomp-pageantry-as-bini-kingdom-crowns-oba-ewuare-ii/

Where is that ignorant Bini villager to come respond to this guys post. This is your own Oba setting the record straight, waiting for you to come tell us your Oba was drunk when saying it

history2901:

The first pre-colonial map of the area was made more than 600 years ago and it shows lagos as part of Benin empire, and I am talking about the entire Lagos and even more than just Lagos, most of southwest nigeria and even territory outside nigeria were also part of the Benin empire.
So get your facts right. Why so much hate for the truth ?

Oh God, how old are you? Most SW part of Benin empire You are truly not sane. Lol

Christistruth00:


Please read this document written by Sir Alfred Moloney British Colonial Governor of Lagos written in 1890.Can you in the third paragraph see where he describes the 1069sq miles of the protectorate of Lagos as part of the Yoruba territory?

You guys should debate with sane people and not some arrogant villager. I was reading the thread and hoping to see a robust debate but it was insult and name calling when exposed as a fraud and ignorant punk. He was schooled on the Origin of Obaship in Benin then he insulted the guy and later ran away when he was presented with a speech from his own Oba. The 9jakool guy did another one and he started calling the guy stupid, you see why no one take all these ignorant villagers serious.

Externalhat:


You should not be wasting your time on that arrogant villager. He was boxed to a corner many times on this thread then he resort to insult and name calling. He was schooled on the origin of Obaship in his Benin then he resort to insulting that guy and even claiming he knows nothing about Oranmiyan. You know nothing and still insulting those that are schooling you for free, you really have a lot of time to waste on an arrogant cum ignorant troll.

People like him like to twist history. He once claimed that the only Yorubas are Oyo and that oyo was never an empire. He also said most SW was under Benin. Bro, his yeye claims are laughable.

BininEmpire:


Mynd44 please warn or ban this user, let Oba Ewuare be last person you will insult here

How is Ewuare different from Buhari and the Yoruba people you guys insult here daily. You guys are hypocrite They should ban the guy but your Benin brother throwing insult should be allowed to insult everyone freely. Wonderful.