pazienza:


You lots are shameless. Oka doesn't mean corn or Maize in urban or rural Yorubaland, maize is Agbado.

Oka, pronounced entirely differently from the the Igbo Oka, is what Yorubas call "Swallow " foods like pounded yam, ground maize processed and prepared as swallow for soup, even wheat, dawa, etc, once prepared as swallow is referee to as Oka( pronounced quite different from the Igbo Oka for maize).

I mock you. I am not interested. Go and read about your history properly. Everything about Ibo is always about borrowing from others and turning into theirs. WHAT IS THE MEANING OF “IGBO" IN IBO LAND? YOU WERE REFERRED TO AS IGBOS IN THE 1930S. THIS IS A NAME WITH CONNECTION WITH YORUBA FOR CENTURIES . In Igbo land the word “IGBO" IS A PREFIX. It has no modern meaning of its own. Continue in your ignorance.

Dhugal:

Eji means mist,especially the type that comes down in the morning.It's also used for dew.
Who do you think you want to fool here,children?.
I'll beat you over the head with ijinle Yoruba,if you're not careful.

Hahaha....Look at you having a partial understanding of Yoruba. OK ooo, I give it to you on having a little knowledge of the partial meaning because it was made popular. However, èji Owuro(morning dew/drops of water from the sky to wet the flowers etc periodically) is clearly differentiated from proper ÈJI, which accurately mean rain. You can't outclass me in my language ooo

Probz:


Oka's shared, not borrowed. Igbo oka and Yoruba oka derive from the same root word. Don't be talking nonsense.

Shared you mentioned? OK. But I know OKA has been ages with Yorubas with the production of maize( Agbado) conversion to different varieties in Yoruba land . And Yoruba borrowed some words later and it is not with any connection to IBOS' Oka. Same root? I haven't come across it before anywhere. Please, don't refer me to books sellers(pseudo authors) with no good record.

pazienza:


The pronunciation is not same. Don't be deceived by their spelling.

Oka in Yoruba is all about swallow. If you process Agbado ( maize ) and convert it to a swallow meal by grinding it, it becomes Oka( still pronounced differently from that of Ndiigbo), when yam is peeled and pounded, and converted to swallow, it is also called Oka by Yorubas, same goes for Sorghum and other cereals that can be processed and converted to swallow forms.

Oka in Yoruba is different from Oka in Igbo, they don't connote same meaning and they are not pronounced alike. They are not shared words, neither are they borrowed words.

Oka for all intents and purposes, means flour in Yoruba.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OiynbBvMblcC&pg=PA155&dq=Igbo+Yoruba+mai+mai+moin+moin&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Igbo%20Yoruba%20mai%20mai%20moin%20moin&f=false

That book acknowledges that agbado's the more general Yoruba term for corn but it says oka and eka are used too. Scroll down a couple pages.

I'm not disagreeing with anything else though. I'm with you on the oyibo thing. Just not oka.

I don't know how oka's pronounced in Yoruba.

pazienza:


Speak for your Edophilic Ika.not for anyother part of western Igbo.

Aboh was also called Eboe town by the colonialist, I guess that's also in reverence to your Edo Eboh, and not because the people were Eboes and did speak Eboe language as mother tongue.
White man in Aboh is Oyibo and not your Eboh or whatever you call it.
https://m.facebook.com/Ukwuani.Ndokwa/posts/969515196456632


Many are indeed mad, just few are roaming.

Who called Aboh Eboe? I hope you are not referring to Equano. Is Equano really from Aboh. Definitely he's not. So don't bring up that argument here. But of course, the correct name of Aboh is Eboh and it has nothing to do with Eboe white man's mispronunciation of Ibo. And if you read my comment, I said Eboh is used to mean Europeans and anything European in Edo and all parts of Anioma but it's "MOST POPULAR IN IKA". I guess you read but can't comprehend. From this comment you can see three meaning of Eboh and non means whiteman in Igbo but Edo and Anioma.

Olu317:
Hahaha....Look at you having a partial understanding of Yoruba. OK ooo, I give it to you on having a little knowledge of the partial meaning because it was made popular. However, èji Owuro(morning dew/drops of water from the sky to wet the flowers etc periodically) is clearly differentiated from proper ÈJI, which accurately mean rain. You can't outclass me in my language ooo

Dude,you know next to nothing of Yoruba language and its history.
Don't push me use you to mop the floor here.
Eji is mist,not rain.Same way mist is referred to as igirigi in Igbo
BTW,maize in Yoruba is agbado not oka.
Oka is purely Igbo word for maize,though ground flours used to make swallows are also sometimes referred to as oka in Yoruba.

Probz:


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OiynbBvMblcC&pg=PA155&dq=Igbo+Yoruba+mai+mai+moin+moin&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Igbo%20Yoruba%20mai%20mai%20moin%20moin&f=false

That book acknowledges that agbado's the more general Yoruba term for corn but it says oka and eka are used too. Scroll down a couple pages.

I'm not disagreeing with anything else though. I'm with you on the oyibo thing. Just not oka.

I don't know how oka's pronounced in Yoruba.

Question to you are these; between Yoruba and Ibos, who were the first to come in contact with whites? Don't mention OLUADAH EQUIANO because he shared the same picture with Thomas Peters. A well known Yoruba warrior man during 17th century. When was the time in history did they come across white men to know them as OYIBO, a word got from Yoruba OYINBO? . Samuel Ajayi crowther helped Ibos standardize their modern Ibo language. And they've always given credit to him. Who among Ibos helped Yoruba in language development?

Dhugal:

Dude,you know next to nothing of Yoruba language and its history.
Don't push me use you to mop the floor here.
Eji is mist,not rain.Same way mist is referred to as igirigi in Igbo
BTW,maize in Yoruba is agbado not oka.
Oka is purely Igbo word for maize,though ground flours used to make swallows are also sometimes referred to as oka in Yoruba.

You are JOKING! . Oh, you want to teach me Yoruba Language ? Begin to teach me. Abèjidè —Came with dew or came during dew , you claim? That's not my language . And it isn't the meaning. Perhaps, I am too forward. Kindly explain the Yoruba Name “ABèjidè". You better don't go beyond your reach.

AbakalikiPress:


You dey mind am? That guy na core Igbo supremacist, so mind how you deal with him.
By the way, there is als a written historical account that dates to the 1830s of Yoruba people referring to whites as Oibo or Oyibo..... I think I saw someone post it somewhere before.
So it's not even as if there are no written records of them using it from way back.

I don't know why I'm getting the feeling that the person hiding under this moniker writes so familiarly with someone else on this forum.

Olu317:
Oh I see, you lived within urban Yoruba who had interchangeably use Agbado which literally mean maize. You seem to have failed again because you don't know much about Yoruba culture and food . In Yoruba land, We call rain ÒJÒ and Èji , the second one can hardly be known to YOU,except my exposing it to you at this moment. Yoruba in the rural speaks archaic Yoruba which you can hardly hear and calls OKA , Maize flour. In some places, it can also be used for White yam flour,which you know it with a different name. You will get lost if you think you can understand Yoruba because you fraternise with Yoruba city. You claimed, it is used among Ibos, It is a borrowed words from Yoruba land, just as Aso Ebi, “Igbo," were borrowed. Oka has been used in Yoruba land for centuries.

You just said maize flour or yam flour, not the actual corn itself, is called Oka in archaic yoruba communities, so what then is your argument about? Growing up, everywhere in Igbo land calls corn (the one that you grow and eat, which can be roasted or boiled) Oka (with rising and falling tones). We do not refer to the flour as Oka but the actual food item itself as Oka.

According to you, Maize flour = Oka (Yoruba)
According to general Yoruba, Corn = Agbado

According to Pazienza, Corn (food) = Oka (Igbo).

The difference and usage are clear enough already.

Olu317:
Question to you are these; between Yoruba and Ibos, who were the first to come in contact with whites? Don't mention OLUADAH EQUIANO because he shared the same picture with Thomas Peters. A well known Yoruba warrior man during 17th century. When was the time in history did they come across white men to know them as OYIBO, a word got from Yoruba OYINBO? . Samuel Ajayi crowther helped Ibos standardize their modern Ibo language. And they've always given credit to him. Who among Ibos helped Yoruba in language development?

I didn't quite get that part in bold?

absoluteSuccess:


The document you shared proof that Crowder, a Yoruba man is called Oyibo oji, or black europeans.

What could Crowder have called the europeans that rescued him from slave ship early on? What about other Yoruba settlers at fourra bay?

Did he learn the local name oyibo from this encounter with the igbo? This book was not published in that century.

Also, Crowder wrote the vocabulary of the Yoruba and like someone said earlier, oyinbo is translated as europeans.

Did Olauda detailed 'onye eboe' as 'europeans' or we need to reason it out from his words?

It is possible that Ajayi Crowther may have taken the word back to his native land after spending some time in Igbo land. The author of that book observed the usage of 'oyibo ojii' in Onitsha in 1832, whereas the dictionary or vocabulary of Ajayi Crowther was not written or published until 1843, or 11 years later.

In terms of academic linguistic evidence, there are two earlier pieces of evidence (that of Olauda in as early as the 1700s and the 'Oyibo Ojii' account in 1832) showing the usage of Oyibo in Igbo land that precede the earliest Yoruba academic mention in 1843. I am not implying anything but this should tell you something, if you reason objectively.

https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011556689

For those asking about the Igbo exposure to Europeans, Europeans started trading in Igbo slaves (around the late 1400s) much earlier than with the Yorubas (from the 1600s or 1700s) who were exported in significant numbers towards the ending of the slave trade, which explains why more Igbo slaves overall (circa 1.27 million, spanning across almost 4 centuries) were exported more than Yoruba slaves (circa 500,000). The Igbo possibly had contact with the Europeans (through Bonny and Calabar ports) much earlier than the Yorubas, thus the mimicking of the mispronunciation of 'onye ibo' by the white man by the Igbos to 'oyibo' is highly probable.

[img]https://tracingafricanroots.files./2015/06/chambers-2002-table1-estimated-percentage-of-igbo-captives1.jpg[/img]

Whereas slavery in Yorubaland did not start until around 1640 (nearly 200 years after Europeans were exposed to Igbos).

kpaminose:
Who called Aboh Eboe? I hope you are not referring to Equano. Is Equano really from Aboh. Definitely he's not. So don't bring up that argument here. But of course, the correct name of Aboh is Eboh and it has nothing to do with Eboe white man's mispronunciation of Ibo. And if you read my comment, I said Eboh is used to mean Europeans and anything European in Edo and all parts of Anioma but it's "MOST POPULAR IN IKA". I guess you read but can't comprehend. From this comment you can see three meaning of Eboh and non means whiteman in Igbo but Edo and Anioma.

Oyibo is white man in Aboh, not eboh.
Stop dragging Anioma into your Edo trash.

https://m.facebook.com/Ukwuani.Ndokwa/posts/969515196456632

See the above once again. It's ego oyibo and not ego eboh. You are shameless.

pazienza:


Oyibo is white man in Aboh, not eboh.
Stop dragging Anioma into your Edo trash.

https://m.facebook.com/Ukwuani.Ndokwa/posts/969515196456632

See the above once again. It's ego oyibo and not ego eboh. You are shameless.

I didn't follow your link but you are obviously deluded. Money is Egho in Ika and Whiteman is Eboh but people answer EgoOyibo though it doesn't have any meaning in Ika. When I said "more popular in Ika" you still do not know what that means? You lack comprehensive ability.

pazienza:


Oyibo is white man in Aboh, not eboh.
Stop dragging Anioma into your Edo trash.

https://m.facebook.com/Ukwuani.Ndokwa/posts/969515196456632

See the above once again. It's ego oyibo and not ego eboh. You are shameless.

Bro just ignore the edoid ika man. It is not worth the effort and time.

bigfrancis21:


I didn't quite get that part in bold?

Oh I see . Google Thomas Peters and infer what see on there on this forum.

bigfrancis21:


I didn't quite get that part in bold?

Oh I see . Google Thomas Peters and infer what your opinion is on this forum.

kpaminose:
I didn't follow your link but you are obviously deluded. Money is Egho in Ika and Whiteman is Eboh but people answer EgoOyibo though it doesn't have any meaning in Ika. When I said "more popular in Ika" you still do not know what that means? You lack comprehensive ability.

Why are you bleating ?

No one is interested in your sorry Ika stories or whatever you think of yourselves.
My interest was and is on Aboh.

Now scram.

bigfrancis21:


Bro just ignore the edoid ika man. It is not worth the effort and time.

Nnaa eh, ike gwuru.

Who even cares what ndi Ika use for white man? That one na their own wahala. They can call them crackers if they want.

pazienza:


Why are you bleating ?

No one is interested in your sorry Ika stories or whatever you think of yourselves.
My interest was and is on Aboh.

Now scram.

Where did I tell you anything about what I think of myself? You're obviously deluded. I repeat. You don't have any business with Aboh. The last time I checked Aboh is Anioma and I mentioned that White men is called Eboh in Anioma (Aboh inclusive) but "MORE POPULAR IN IKA), meaning other parts of Anioma have alternate words for it. You're both dull and deluded

kpaminose:
Where did I tell you anything about what I think of myself? You're obviously deluded. I repeat. You don't have any business with Aboh. The last time I checked Aboh is Anioma and I mentioned that White men is called Eboh in Anioma (Aboh inclusive) but "MORE POPULAR IN IKA), meaning other parts of Anioma have alternate words for it. You're both dull and deluded

You are roaming already. Your Ika is inconsequential in this discussion, stop forcefully attaching yourself to it , no one cares about what you call white man in Ika, no one cares.
This is Abohs speaking for themselves : https://m.facebook.com/Ukwuani.Ndokwa/posts/969515196456632
You are in no position to speak for Ali Chukwuma people.

Get lost!

kpaminose:
Where did I tell you anything about what I think of myself? You're obviously deluded. I repeat. You don't have any business with Aboh. The last time I checked Aboh is Anioma and I mentioned that White men is called Eboh in Anioma (Aboh inclusive) but "MORE POPULAR IN IKA), meaning other parts of Anioma have alternate words for it. You're both dull and deluded

You have a thick brain that's why you can't learn. Is Aboh Ika,or did they make you a spokesman for them ? Learned people are slapping you with historical documents and you are here arguing like an illiterate drunk. Abeg,face Edo.

pazienza:


You are roaming already. Your Ika is inconsequential in this discussion, stop forcefully attaching yourself to it , no one cares about what you call white man in Ika, no one cares.
This is Abohs speaking for themselves : https://m.facebook.com/Ukwuani.Ndokwa/posts/969515196456632
You are in no position to speak for Ali Chukwuma people.

Get lost!

You know these Ika lost souls are beginning to feel SOME TYPE OF WAY due to the attention we were giving them and now they have realized nobody cares so they want to drag Ukwuani into their mess.

bigfrancis21:


I don't know why I'm getting the feeling that the person hiding under this moniker writes so familiarly with someone else on this forum.

lol, and who is that?

You still haven't expanded on what you meant when you say Yorubas don't go near pidgin compared to Northern Igbos.

AbakalikiPress:


lol, and who is that?

Dude you know yourself. Lol

Ozomigala

bigfrancis21:


Dude you know yourself. Lol

Ozomigala

Ozomigala? ??

bigfrancis21:


It is possible that Ajayi Crowther may have taken the word back to his native land after spending some time in Igbo land. The author of that book observed the usage of 'oyibo ojii' in Onitsha in 1832, whereas the dictionary or vocabulary of Ajayi Crowther was not written or published until 1843, or 11 years later.

In terms of academic linguistic evidence, there are two earlier pieces of evidence (that of Olauda in as early as the 1700s and the 'Oyibo Ojii' account in 1832) showing the usage of Oyibo in Igbo land that precede the earliest Yoruba academic mention in 1843. I am not implying anything but this should tell you something, if you reason objectively.

https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/011556689

I want to believe that Crowder was the Yorubaman who taught igbo how to write their language.

Its so amazing that the most resourceful word in igbo lexicon he could take away was oyibo. So no greater word in that language than this?

But the same word came to igboland through Crowder and his white missionaries. Your record revealed the Yorubaman who brought oyibo to igboland.

A Yorubaman brought the name oyibo oji to the igbo. He helped formulate igbo alphsbet there and then.

Probz:


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OiynbBvMblcC&pg=PA155&dq=Igbo+Yoruba+mai+mai+moin+moin&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Igbo%20Yoruba%20mai%20mai%20moin%20moin&f=false

That book acknowledges that agbado's the more general Yoruba term for corn but it says oka and eka are used too. Scroll down a couple pages.

I'm not disagreeing with anything else though. I'm with you on the oyibo thing. Just not oka.

I don't know how oka's pronounced in Yoruba.

More like awka.