Here's the submission of Farouk Martins Aresa:

It is too late for all kinds of novel origins of Lagos or Awori, the real owners of Lagos. It is sad and embarrassing that the Oba of Lagos did not know that he is a descendant of a father from Ilesha. Shame! Most historians know that Ashipa was the first Oba of Lagos as taught from old schools days. Ashipa title is still common throughout Yoruba and Bini land. The same is true of Ado as his son indicating special relationship between Yoruba and Bini origin of the OBA title.

In order to understand the controversies surrounding the origin of Oba of Bini, one has to understand that each time an Oba is crowned; he has to renew his palace lease from Ogiamien Ode. Ogiamien, the son of the soil leased his own land to Oba, the stranger. This treatment as an outsider made the children of Eweka crave acceptance in a strange land by a novel theory.

The real problem started because Eweka as Yoruba, became Oba only on a condition that he has to lease the land each time at coronation before ascending Bini throne. Ekaledera was used as novel theory to claim a relationship to an Ogiso father. The mischief-makers try to claim the father of Oranmiyan was the lost son of Ogiso in order to trivialize that rite of passage Ogiamen administered. If Oba were a son of Ekaledera he wouldn’t rent from Ogiamen. He no be we-we!

Yoruba artifacts are much older, Iwo Eleru dated far back to 10,000 B.C! Ile-Ife moved few times from the North of Bini before present location East of Bini: “according to Prof. Fela Sowande, Ile Ife is not the Ife to which Yoruba oral traditions refer. Also in the words of Professor Wande Abimbola, the seven sites of Ife mentioned by Ifa are Ife Oodaye, the first and possibly the original one, Ife Nleere, Ife Ooyelagbomoro, Ife Wara, Otu Ife, Ife Oore and Ife Oojo’.”

See Prof. Thurstan Shaw on radiocarbon dating. Carbon dating indicated Oba-Ogiso relationship at Ife burial ground went as far back as 560AD, that is even before arrival of Oranmiyan in Bini. It is undisputed that Ogiso fell from grace after a brutal order killed a pregnant woman. The people revolted against him with votes of no confidence. The people of Ogodimiogo knew and asked Ile-Ife for Oba as a well-known respected prominent seat of wisdom not by chance.

Going by the parallel history of the Bible, Koran and what we know today of Africa as the cradle of man and civilization; Oduduwa was not created, born or wandered into Yoruba birth land in the 12th century. Oduduwa was not the Orunmila, Olodumare or Obatala. Some even claimed he took over from Obatala. If Obatala was sent as the god of creation, it does not make sense that Oduduwa who succeeded him (Obatala) was alive in the 12th century.

Novel theory of Bini fell apart because Oduduwa existed not only in Bini but also by Olukumi in and outside Nigeria including Ijaw that called him Adumu or Adimu. Every community including the Ijaw that knew Oduduwas as Adumu or Adimu knew Oduduwa as their progenitor existed Before Christ. The son of Oduduwa does not mean direct son; it could mean descendant, great-great grandfather or even creator. It was the last born of Oduduwa, Oranmiyan descendants that transformed Benin into an Empire. African progenitors are older than Jesus or Mohamed.

Jacob Egharevba, the highly respected historian and son of Edo wrote A Short History of Benin that is irrefutable in the academic community. Yet those without credentials or anthropological facts have selectively disputed him with their novel theories propagated by Edo e-warriors. His account of the history was the irrefutable theory among respected academics that are not even Yoruba themselves, such as another respected Prof. Peter Ekeh of State University of New York.

Quoting Jacob Egharevba: “When Evian was stricken by old age he nominated his eldest son, Ogiemwen as his successor, but the people refused him. They said he was not the Ogiso and they could not accept his son as his successor, because as he himself knew, it had been arranged to set up a republican form of government. This he was now selfishly trying to alter.

While this was still in dispute the people indignantly sent an ambassador to the Ooni Oduduwa, the great and wisest ruler of Ife, asking him to send one of his sons to be their ruler, for things were getting from bad to worse and the people saw that there was need for a capable ruler.”

Oba title and Bini (Ile Ibinu) never existed in Bini until the arrival of Oranmiyan that overthrew Ogiso. Since then, the head of Oba of Bini had always been buried in Ile-Ife until recently. These are facts that can never be denied within the academic communities. Indeed, the lingua franka in the palace of the Oba was and still in Yoruba names.

Professor Peter Ekeh an Urhobo quoted from another non-Yoruba scholar Okpewho: consider the appearances of the Ogisos in Benin and Urhobo folktales – In Isidore Okpewho’s (1998) comprehensive and scholarly study of Benin folklore, there is a Benin folktale concerning the Ogiso, which ends as follows:

Ogiso goes back on his word. Whereupon heaven and earth threaten to convulse the nation, forcing the Ogiso to capitulate. [His rival] became the Oba, and the Ogiso became his sword bearer. (p. 67)

Nevertheless, the glory and power of Bini Empire cannot be contested because it lasted past many African Empires including Oyo that was destroyed by civil wars. Once Oredo, that is Bini the land of Edo came under Oba, they became venturous outside, unlike Ogiso that was oppressive inside. It was the reason the Urhobo and others deserted Ogomigodo. Bini power was felt as far East as Onitsha where Oba of Bini and his Yoruba descendants are still present until today with their Yoruba dialect. Actually, Zik embraced his Bini descendants.

The present Oba of Bini made the relationship clear that Oranmiyan is the First Oba Bini. Ogiso children cannot be easily won over. They know the difference between the invader (actually the invitee Oba from the land of wisdom they knew and respected) they lease the land to; and the son of the soil as the owner of their land! There was one lost son of Oba Bini who founded the Olukumi. He established in Asaba and Onitsha where they still speak, bear Yoruba, Edo and Igbo names. Those looking for Ekalederah would find his kin and descendants there, not in Ile-Ife.

The names and gods served by Benin and other Yoruba cousins revealed a relationship one should be proud of not to cause disenchantments. There is no Ogun River near Bini that they worship like the Yoruba. They interpreted EWEKA as Yoruba’s Owo Mi Ka and are yet to dispute the reason they differed to the wisdom of Ile-Ife on choice of ruler, burying their Oba and Ogiso symbols in the Holy Land of Yoruba. Yet, e-warriors claim Yoruba language is their broken Edo!

It is not in doubt that Yoruba Oba Benin had his emissaries sneaked into Lagos. The battle was fought to a standstill only to compromise on Ashipa as the First King. Ogunfunminire was the father of Omo-Onile: Olumegbon, Aromire, Oloto, Oluwa, Oniru, Onisiwo, Onitoolo, Elegushi, Ojora and Onikoyi. Nobody disputes Omo-Onile as the children of Awori Ogunfuminire that had established in Isheri while his children spread beyond into the Island. Aromire own Lagos Island.

Oba of Bini emissaries were not the first or the last Aromire and his brothers had to fight off their land. There were Ijebu, Egba, British, Portuguese, Arabs etc. that were attracted because of Lagos proximity to the Ocean for all types of trade. Indeed, it was not the first time Yoruba fought within themselves or even disowned one another. You must have read about Awujale of Ijebu Ode denying Oduduwa was his father or even being Yoruba. He claimed Waddai.

However, most Yoruba had similar claim. The difference with Oba of Bini’s emissaries sneaking into Lagos and fighting to a standstill while other Yoruba did not get involve was the fact that Bini itself had Yoruba Oba from 12th century and not Ogiso. They sneaked in temporarily as visitors, camped at Iddo unaware. The story could have been different if they came as warriors.

Do we really have to prove over and over again, the relationship between Nigerians when each of the 250 ethnics want suzerainty and autonomy as separate people dividing themselves into clans and hamlets of prehistoric days? Compare that to the call for separations into Arewa, Igbo and Yoruba nations when they claim One NORTH ONE PEOPLE despite variety of ethnic groups. Better still, they are ready to unite the whole South against North. Maybe Igbo nation and Yoruba nation dividing the south into two!

Oh, they have forgotten that there are more minorities in the North and South than just the three behemoths that want to go their separate ways. We have not been able to separate Awori and Egun in Dahomey from Nigeria yet. Or separate Igbo and Hausa cousins that still cross at will from Cameroon. Well, just leave minorities out of all your nations.

There was a great deal of noise about how Lagos was going to lose its glory after the capital moved to Abuja. It is the exact opposite; people cannot get enough of Lagos. Every day, people troop into Lagos without relief. After establishing themselves with the generosity of Lagosians, each ethnic group starts claiming ownership of Lagos. Where else? Lagosians must be proud because it shows nothing can change the attractive culture of the indigenous people of Lagos.

Nothing can change the Yoruba origin of Lagos and Bini, even when Nigeria breaks into pieces!

E-warriors kotikwu jor. Just park make I see road.

I remembered the old ones used to say that the Yorubas and Bini Edo are the same. Hence will never fight one another as it is believed that the Oba is Yoruba son. How can the father fight the son?. Hence the reason the Benin influence on Lagos went unchallenged...

Let anything happen in the south, I can say unequivocally that you will see the Benin supporting the Yoruba in full fledge. It happens naturally as blood is thicker than water. Forget all these rant on the internet. Hence the reason yoruba and Edo blends easily in all ramifications.

Nice work of fiction. I just hope the writer knows he is deluded and writing an entirely false story.
I don't have time to educate you guys here but I can at least give some pointers:
Europeans have been visiting Benin Kingdom for more than 700 years and they met the Oba of Benin in their first visit.
This totally kills all this science fiction tale of magical ogiamen falling from the sky and magical lease being renewed from reknown imposter ogiamen who doesn't even reside in Edo state.

This is gonna be fun

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Yoruba is only related to the Bini’s Oba lineage and that lineage has been heavily diluted by inter-marriage within Edo peoples.

Yoruba is in no way related to Edo people, only the king is our relative and one of Kings who was supposedly our relatives came out with a book and several statements to lacerate the thin relations we share with him/his lineage, he has not only created a dichotomy but further increased its decibel.

Yoruba had better believe what the Oba put out has festered and eaten into the minds of his relatives and will be the trend in the royal lineage for generations to come. Let us accept Oba Bini & Yoruba are done.

The Oba has embraced an Edo ancestry & identity. What we can do is to respect it and leave him be. Let them continue in theor theory while Yoruba continue on with ours.

We should speak on them less. The more we mention them, the more they feel a sense of importance. In fact, the throne of Bini should be scratched off the list of Yoruba original thrones. Owa Ilesa & Alaafin will need to stop seeing Benin as the throne of their brother. Once we forget them, they will know they are not wanted or craved in anyway.

Yoruba will continue to trudge on as a bloc in the Nigerian, African & Global political & economic system as a nation with reach in Togo, Dahomey & Americas as one body & in the event of Nigeria’s dissolution, Yoruba will progress still.

It will be interesting to see how Bini/Edo will forge on in securing its interests & furthering its political & economic whatever in Nigeria with such a small population. They have self relegated to ‘minority’ where they drag relevance with Ijaw & minority groups in the South & their future in the post dissolved Nigeria will be a thing worth seeing too .

We need to leave them alone, their artworks will forever haunt them and it would be nice to see how they intend on revising history around the art pieces to have another origin asides Ife or how they intend to flip their arts to have been the source of Ife art.

Brother Olu317, abeg e wa wo thread yi.

http://www.weeklypostng.co.uk/2017/05/oba-of-benin-head-of-benin-empire-owns.html?m=1



OBA OF BENIN HEAD OF THE BENIN EMPIRE OWNS WESTERN, SOUTHERN AND EASTERN MODERN DAY NIGERIA
- Oba Akiolu of Lagos
 

The dust has finally settled after years of controversies and heated arguments who the real owners of present day Lagos are, the whole of Western Nigeria and the East of the Niger down to the Nigerian south Atlantic Coast.

The Oba of Lagos, His Royal Highness, Oba Rilwan Akiolu, has finally told the world via a historical narrative and background the real owners of Nigeria's economic capital city of Lagos and parts of  neigbouring Benin Republic.

Lagos, he said, belongs to the Great Benin Kingdom and has never been part of Yoruba land.

This was contained in a statement issued and signed by the Lagos Monarch which was released from his palace.

The statement reads:

“Coming from the palace, with what I was told by my late paternal grandmother who is a descendant of Oba Ovonramwen Nogbaisi and also reading from factual Historical books, let me share this Knowledge with you all on Eko/Lagos.

“Modern day Lagos was founded by Prince Ado, the son of the Oba of Benin, Prince Ado was the first Oba of Lagos, the son of the Bini King, Prince Ado, named the town Eko until the Portuguese explorer Ruy de Sequeira changed the Maritime town to Lagos, which at that time from 1942 was Portuguese expedition center down the African Coast.


“It was a major centre of the slave trade until 1851. Lagos was annexed by Britain via the Lagos treaty of cession in 1861, ending the consular period and starting the British Colonial Period. The remainder of modern-day Nigeria was seized in 1886 when the Colony and Protectorate of Nigeria were established in 1914 Lagos was declared its capital due to the struggle of the Bini King.

“Lagos experienced growth prior to the British Colonial rule and even more rapid growth during the Colonial rule throughout the 1960s, 70s, continued through the 80s and 90s till date. Thanks to the Awori’s, Bini’s, Yoruba’s, migrants across the nation and the world at large, as no particular group of people can take the glory alone.

“Lagos is made up of Lagoons and creeks. The Lagos lagoon, Lagos Harbour, five cone creeks, Ebute-Metta creeks, Porto-Novo creeks, New canal, Badagry creeks, Kuramo waters and Lighthouse creeks.

“The Awori’s and Bini’s are known to be the first settlers of the Eko land. The Awori’s are speakers of a distinct dialect close to that of the Yoruba language with a rich Bini mixture. Traditionally, Awori’s were found in Ile-Ife, they were known to be the Bini’s who followed their self-exiled Prince, the first son of the Ogiso (now called Oba) of the Benin Kingdom, whose step-mother was after his head.

“The exiled Benin Prince Izoduwa known to the Yorubas as Ooduwa (Oduduwa) was made the ruler of the Ife people due to his powers and followers from the Great Benin-Kingdom.

“Izoduwa (Ooduwa) was made the first King of Ile-Ife in 1230 AD. His followers from his father’s Kingdom in Benin are the today’s Awori people who settled in Eko now called Lagos. 
 

“In 1300, the King of Benin-Empire heard from one of his traders who was a settler in Eko on how the Bini’s were treated by the Awori’s who lived in their area. Upon hearing this, the King of Benin commanded the assembling of a war expedition, led by his son, Prince Ado, which headed the settlement of the Awori’s and demanded an explanation.

“On arriving Eko, Prince Ado and his Army were more than received. The Aworis asked the Bini Prince to stay and become their leader. Ado agreed on the condition that they surrender their sovereignty to the Oba of Benin, to which the people agreed. Hearing this, the King of Benin gave his permission for Prince Ado and the expedition to remain in Eko.

“The Oba of Benin sent some of his chiefs including the Eletu, Odibo, Obanikoro and others to assist his son, Oba Ado in the running of Eko.

“From the crowning of Prince Ado as the first Oba of Lagos (then called Eko), Lagos served as a major center for slave trade from which the Aworis, the Oba of Benin and his son the Oba of Lagos and all the children/descendants who took over as his successors for over four centuries supported the trade.

“The Oba of Benin was the head of the Benin Empire which is the present-day Western, Southern and Eastern modern day Nigeria. The King never obliged anyone to speak the Bini language as he believed everyone was entitled to their own choice of language.

“The name Eko was given to it by the first king of Lagos, Oba Ado, the young and vibrant Prince from Benin. Eko was the land now known as Lagos Island, where the king palace was built.

“The palace is called Idugaran meaning “palace built on pepper farm” Oba Ado and the warriors from Benin together with the early Bini’s settlers in Eko and the Awori people settled in the southern part of Eko called “Isale Eko”. “Isale literally means bottom “. Must have been used to indicate downtown (as in downtown Lagos)

“Until the coming in of the Benin’s 1300AD, Lagos geographical boundary was Lagos mainland, Lagos Island, the seat of the Oba of Lagos then consisted of a pepper farm and fishing post. No one was living there.

“About 1450 AD some Yorubas who hailed from Isheri in Ogun-state and Ekiti were allowed by the King to settle in Eko during a war, they came in a very large numbers thereby surpassing the numbers of the Awori’s and Bini’s. (Hence Yorubas claim to own Eko due to their numbers).

“Oba Ado fell in love with a beautiful woman whose father was Awori and mother a daughter to one of the chiefs; they had two sons and also a daughter Erelu Kuti, who begot Ologun Kutere who later became King.”

*Below is an interview granted by IYOHA JOHN DARLINGTON to Radio France International live in Paris, France which lends credence to Oba Akiolu's claims.

Y0ruba:
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Yoruba is only related to the Bini’s Oba lineage and that lineage has been heavily diluted by inter-marriage within Edo peoples.

Yoruba is in no way related to Edo people, only the king is our relative and one of Kings who was supposedly our relatives came out with a book and several statements to lacerate the thin relations we share with him/his lineage, he has not only created a dichotomy but further increased its decibel.

Yoruba had better believe what the Oba put out has festered and eaten into the minds of his relatives and will be the trend in the royal lineage for generations to come. Let us accept Oba Bini & Yoruba are done.

The Oba has embraced an Edo ancestry & identity. What we can do is to respect it and leave him be. Let them continue in theor theory while Yoruba continue on with ours.

We should speak on them less. The more we mention them, the more they feel a sense of importance. In fact, the throne of Bini should be scratched off the list of Yoruba original thrones. Owa Ilesa & Alaafin will need to stop seeing Benin as the throne of their brother. Once we forget them, they will know they are not wanted or craved in anyway.

Yoruba will continue to trudge on as a bloc in the Nigerian, African & Global political & economic system as a nation with reach in Togo, Dahomey & Americas as one body & in the event of Nigeria’s dissolution, Yoruba will progress still.

It will be interesting to see how Bini/Edo will forge on in securing its interests & furthering its political & economic whatever in Nigeria with such a small population. They have self relegated to ‘minority’ where they drag relevance with Ijaw & minority groups in the South & their future in the post dissolved Nigeria will be a thing worth seeing too .

We need to leave them alone, their artworks will forever haunt them and it would be nice to see how they intend on revising history around the art pieces to have another origin asides Ife or how they intend to flip their arts to have been the source of Ife art.

Brother Olu317, abeg e wa wo thread yi.

I have seen a lot of lies being peddled by these Edos laying claim to Lagos and environment. And I can not find Bini language in lagos state board on Education school's curriculum. Isn't it foolishness at the highest order claiming what was never yours from the beginning? I see many information on NL,that belittle integrity and truthfulness which were/are borne out of emotion. It's a shame. Even the few elements of Edos–Aka–Ika ancestry have been coerced religiously, ethnically and via intermarriage to one of the most researched and adored ethnicity in the world known as Yoruba. These set of people are even proud as being Yorubas.

I agree that Yoruba should stop dragging Bini into their history. But it is the Bini that cannot stop because without Yoruba Arts and History which translate into Oba history, they have no relevance whatsoever.

How often have you heard them relate Ogiso history? Some of them are even denying Ogiso.

For a long time, Yoruba never took their revised history seriously. Since they were ignored, they kept on building on lies dragging Yoruba into it.

Scholars that are not even Yoruba ridiculed revised history nobody ever heard, wrote or with any archaeological backing until after 2000.

Who else would quote Oba Eko that claimed Ado the son of Ashipa was the son of Oba Bini or did not know that his own great grandfather is Alagba from Ilesha and even denied the whole interview he gave.

So, for a long time serious historians ignored them but when lies are built on lies, children started believing them.

True, it is only the ruling house that are Oba descendants. Ogiso existed before 12th century as the ruling house.

The more Yoruba ignore them, the more they feel abandoned and seek attention. Left to them, they would claim they are the king of the sky that created heaven and earth and Nigeria last.

Prove this

nobaga:
Ogiso existed before 12th century as the ruling house.

I am seek and tired of you yoruba. You make a lot of claims and never prove any single claim.
Also show me proof that any yoruba was bearing the title Oba in precolonial days.
We all know the Edo King was already bearing the title the first time the europeans met him.
And also prove that Edo art comes from yoruba (even the claim sounds totally illogical):
-Show me the art which was decorating the ooni f ife's palace when the british arrived.
-Also show me the art which was decorating the alafin of oyo's palace when the british arrived.
And also show me pictures of their palaces when the british arrived.
You yoruba are all talk and no substance.
You are born liars and ironically you call "liar" those who don't fall for your lies.

prolog2:
Prove this
I am seek and tired of you yoruba. You make a lot of claims and never prove any single claim.
Also show me proof that any yoruba was bearing the title Oba in precolonial days.
We all know the Edo King was already bearing the title the first time the europeans met him.
And also prove that Edo art comes from yoruba (even the claim sounds totally illogical):
-Show me the art which was decorating the ooni f ife's palace when the british arrived.
-Also show me the art which was decorating the alafin of oyo's palace when the british arrived.
And also show me pictures of their palaces when the british arrived.
You yoruba are all talk and no substance.
You are born liars and ironically you call "liar" those who don't fall for your lies.

One of the greatest problem young people from Edo have is the ability to accept Yoruba people who helped shaped their town called AKA . You have come up with your usual braggart attitude and misinformation on Yoruba as well as your sensationalism of your history. Someone informed of pre existence of Ogiso before 12th century, yet you could not disprove this ,instead ,you flared up as predictable as it seems . Before I forget this is a piece by one of Edo blogger; edofolks.com, that affirmed, the preexistence of Ogiso Owodo before 12th century,who was the father of EKALADERHAN and who had many wives. Can anyone imagine that Ekaladerhan,the Owodo descendant had half sisters and brothers ? Where are these family members of Ekaladerhan ? In the sky I supposed......

I quote your edofolks.com ; “Ogiso Owodo (1059-1100 CE), was the thirty-first and last Ogiso of Igodomigodo. He freed the slaves. He was considered a weak king because he could not handle Osogan who was a thorn in his flesh during his reign. Ogiso Owodo had only one son, called Ekaladerhan, despite having many wives. In attempt to unravel the cause of his wives not being able to bear children, he sent his first wife Esagho and three male messengers, namely Osaghae, Osagiede and a fourth person to consult an oracle. Details of what happened have been preserved for centuries in palace folklore and practice and who better to provide this than an illustrious Edo prince soaked in the tradition.

According to the book, Ekaladerhan, written by His Royal Highness, Ovbia Oba Edun Agharese Akenzua, the Ogie-Obazuwa, published by Ukhege Heights, Benin City, 2008, Odionmwan and his aids, Omokpaomwan and Osifo were summoned to appear at noon before Ogiso Owodo, because there was a job for the executioners. The prison cells were empty, so they did not know who was going to be executed.”.............continue from the website .

EDO HISTORIANS — SENSATIONAL BLOGGERS AND LIES is incomparable because this is the the MOTHER OF ALL LIES from Edo claiming what they don't own.

I don't give rat's ass of whom you are quoting. Someone being Edo doesn't imply the person is saying the truth, nor does it imply that I automatically subscribe to what he says. I asked for proof ! simple, prove what you claim !
If you can't do that then kindly shut the hell up rather than trying some emotional blackmail.

Olu317:
One of the greatest problem young people from Edo have is the ability to accept Yoruba people who helped shaped their town called AKA . You have come up with your usual braggart attitude and misinformation on Yoruba as well as your sensationalism of your history. Someone informed of pre existence of Ogiso before 12th century, yet you could not disprove this ,instead ,you flared up as predictable as it seems . Before I forget this is a piece by one of Edo blogger; edofolks.com, that affirmed, the preexistence of Ogiso Owodo before 12th century,who was the father of EKALADERHAN and who had many wives. Can anyone imagine that Ekaladerhan,the Owodo descendant had half sisters and brothers ? Where are these family members of Ekaladerhan ? In the sky I supposed......

I quote your edofolks.com ; “Ogiso Owodo (1059-1100 CE), was the thirty-first and last Ogiso of Igodomigodo. He freed the slaves. He was considered a weak king because he could not handle Osogan who was a thorn in his flesh during his reign. Ogiso Owodo had only one son, called Ekaladerhan, despite having many wives. In attempt to unravel the cause of his wives not being able to bear children, he sent his first wife Esagho and three male messengers, namely Osaghae, Osagiede and a fourth person to consult an oracle. Details of what happened have been preserved for centuries in palace folklore and practice and who better to provide this than an illustrious Edo prince soaked in the tradition.

According to the book, Ekaladerhan, written by His Royal Highness, Ovbia Oba Edun Agharese Akenzua, the Ogie-Obazuwa, published by Ukhege Heights, Benin City, 2008, Odionmwan and his aids, Omokpaomwan and Osifo were summoned to appear at noon before Ogiso Owodo, because there was a job for the executioners. The prison cells were empty, so they did not know who was going to be executed.”.............continue from the website .

EDO HISTORIANS — SENSATIONAL BLOGGERS AND LIES is incomparable because this is the the MOTHER OF ALL LIES from Edo claiming what they don't own.

This revised history of Bini is becoming weirder by the hour. This guy wants proof that Ogiso existed before Oba!

We cannot settle that here. Go home or better still, go and meet Bini or Edo historians and settle it with them.

Chineke-God come see Bini man asking for proof of Ogiso, king of the sky.

Are there any Edo people reading this?

prolog2:
I don't give rat's ass of whom you are quoting. Someone being Edo doesn't imply the person is saying the truth, nor does it imply that I automatically subscribe to what he says. I asked for proof ! simple, prove what you claim !
If you can't do that then kindly shut the hell up rather than trying some emotional blackmail.

as usual, denial has began before our own very eyes....Omo n' Oba Edo is now not recognised? The Oba Bini that sensationally claimed Odua as Ekaladerhan in his book is now being denied? Is Oba Akenzua not the writer of the history of Ekaladerhan in 2008? I am sure His Royal Highness, Ovbia Oba Edun Agharese Akenzua, didn't foresaw the reality and the truth when he was being advised by his protégée.

You asked for evidence?
Here they are;
1. The ritual pracitsed attached to Odudua was not related to Edo–Aka people.

2. The method of God worshiping by Odua during his time was not related Edo–Aka.

3. Odua was attached to the dictate of IFA .

4. Odudua was attached to white coloured clothing material but Edo's Ogiso dynasty was attached to red coloured clothing material. In Yoruba cosmology, colour has its link to the Yoruba's spiritual world.

5. There was no contact between Odua and Edo chiefs because Odua was not alive when Edo chiefs came to ILE IFE to seek help around 11th century of Oranmiyan's existence.

6. Odua was not the direct biological father of Oranmiyan but Oranmiyan's grand parent.When Odudua went blind, Owa Obokun was the one that sourced for atlantic water to performed the ritual,which was used to restored Odudua eyesight.

7. Otun Oore was part of Odua's squad , that consulted IFA oracle on the fetching of the atlantic water for Odua regaining his eyesight and Odua took Oore as adopted son–descendant,who is reference as the first personality that must pass out the information once an Ooni passes on . It is on record ,that he did so when Odua passed on to meet our ancestors.

8. The word ‘Owa'–Uwa, does not exist in Edo but was used to reference Odudua descendants.

9. There was no Language connection between Odua and Edo–Aka.

10. Odudua harmonised ILE IFE settlement in a family settlement pattern when Edo had no known knowledge of it because according to late Oba Edun Akenzua, Ekaladerhan had half sisters and brothers,which meant Ekaladerhan had families. Why were they not capable to restore sanity to their Edo village?

Warning Note:
Keep off from Odudua or Yoruba territories because you people should go to your Edo enclave and brag as long as you desire.

It seems you have totally lost your mind. All I am asking is that you guys prove your claims or shut the hell up.
Instead of that you are throwing grammar and trying yourself at emotional blackmail once again.
Just face it you have nothing to contribute.
You can't think rationnally, neither can you have a rational discussion.
It is all about emotions with you, proof has no place in your discussions.
Now kindly go to hell and never quote me again.
All you said is complete illogical rubbish and fairytales.

Olu317:
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So basically you can't prove your claim as I stated.
So why don't you just shut the hell up ?
Stop talking nonesense !
Besides I asked you to prove several things which are related to your claims and you proved nothing at all.
Now you know you and all your fellow yoruba are frauds, so shut the hell up !

nobaga:
This revised history of Bini is becoming weirder by the hour. This guy wants proof that Ogiso existed before Oba!

We cannot settle that here. Go home or better still, go and meet Bini or Edo historians and settle it with them.

Chineke-God come see Bini man asking for proof of Ogiso, king of the sky.

Are there any Edo people reading this?

oduduwa is a political creation, created in order to prop up the ooni of ife and unite tribes which have little in common.
yoruba itself is a political entity with no history. Those calling themselves yoruba descend from slave returnee and migrant workers brough by the british and also some locals like the oyo and jebu.

So your evidence is a fairytale ?
I suppose you are an adult, therefor you should be able to differentiate fairytale from reality.
oduduwa or oduua (or what ever name the yoruba want to call it today) is just as real as father christmass.
In europe children discover by themselves that father christmass is not real. It seems yoruba adults still believe in father christmass.
Let me help you with logics because it seems you lack that completely: claims are not evidence !
You can't prove an unsubstantiated claim with an other unsubstantiated claim.
If we are talking about history, then you need to bring out texts which were written in the period of time being studied.
You don't just make up an other story and call it proof ! Have you ever been to school ?

Olu317:

You asked for evidence?
Here they are;
1. The ritual pracitsed attached to Odudua was not related to Edo–Aka people.

2. The method of God worshiping by Odua during his time was not related Edo–Aka.

3. Odua was attached to the dictate of IFA .

4. Odudua was attached to white coloured clothing material but Edo's Ogiso dynasty was attached to red coloured clothing material. In Yoruba cosmology, colour has its link to the Yoruba's spiritual world.

5. There was no contact between Odua and Edo chiefs because Odua was not alive when Edo chiefs came to ILE IFE to seek help around 11th century of Oranmiyan's existence.

6. Odua was not the direct biological father of Oranmiyan but Oranmiyan's grand parent.When Odudua went blind, Owa Obokun was the one that sourced for atlantic water to performed the ritual,which was used to restored Odudua eyesight.

7. Otun Oore was part of Odua's squad , that consulted IFA oracle on the fetching of the atlantic water for Odua regaining his eyesight and Odua took Oore as adopted son–descendant,who is reference as the first personality that must pass out the information once an Ooni passes on . It is on record ,that he did so when Odua passed on to meet our ancestors.

8. The word ‘Owa'–Uwa, does not exist in Edo but was used to reference Odudua descendants.

9. There was no Language connection between Odua and Edo–Aka.

10. Odudua harmonised ILE IFE settlement in a family settlement pattern when Edo had no known knowledge of it because according to late Oba Edun Akenzua, Ekaladerhan had half sisters and brothers,which meant Ekaladerhan had families. Why are they not capable to restore sanity to their Edo village?

Warning Note:
Keep off from Odudua or Yoruba territories because you people should go to your Edo enclave and brag as long as you desire.

This prolog2 of a guy is now totally confused.

So, he does not believe that Oduduwa was real. I thought you guys claimed Oduduwa was Ekhaleran!

Not only have you guys lost it individually, you should read and re-revise your your claims again with your Oba book.

You got away with murder when that book came out and were ignored for too long.

Tell your graduate or PhD students to submit your lies as thesis and watch how they FAIL mightily.

prolog2:
So your evidence is a fairytale ?
I suppose you are an adult, therefor you should be able to differentiate fairytale from reality.
oduduwa or oduua (or what ever name the yoruba want to call it today) is just as real as father christmass.
In europe children discover by themselves that father christmass is not real. It seems yoruba adults still believe in father christmass.
Let me help you with logics because it seems you lack that completely: claims are not evidence !
You can't prove an unsubstantiated claim with an other unsubstantiated claim.
If we are talking about history, then you need to bring out texts which were written in the period of time being studied.
You don't just make up an other story and call it proof ! Have you ever been to school ?

Which of the story is really a fairytale?, Oba Bini that claimed Odudua as Ogiso Owodo son without any location to spot the exact villages that Ekaladerhan came out from or which ? If oral information isnt the leeway on human history then what is it ? Oore Otun seat of power and his descendants are in Eikiti and other places as well as Owa Obokun is in Osun State respectively. If you need written documents as far back as the period of Odudua,then,Jacob Egharevba,Prof Peter Ekeh, etc need be consulted by you.

Ignorance is indeed a disease!

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prolog2:
oduduwa is a political creation, created in order to prop up the ooni of ife and unite tribes which have little in common.
yoruba itself is a political entity with no history. Those calling themselves yoruba descend from slave returnee and migrant workers brough by the british and also some locals like the oyo and jebu.

y.a.r...I....b.....a: all talk, no substance. Prove your claim or shut the hell up. I am not reading your stupid posts. For your info, I am not the Oba. The Oba has no time to talk to mad people like you and your fake kings. So, if you want to talk to me then talk to me and stop constantly referring to the Oba. Your obsession with the Edo monarchy is bizare. Well, we all know you are crazy, don't we ? Especially that mental patient olu.
Just prove your claim and stop the stupid side show.

prolog2:
y.a.r...I....b.....a: all talk, no substance. Prove your claim or shut the hell up. I am not reading your stupid posts. For your info, I am not the Oba. The Oba has no time to talk to mad people like you and your fake kings. So, if you want to talk to me then talk to me and stop constantly referring to the Oba. Your obsession with the Edo monarchy is bizare. Well, we all know you are crazy, don't we ? Especially that mental patient olu.
Just prove your claim and stop the stupid side show.

Y..a...r...I...b...a ppl with zero history leave Edo matters alone oo before you die from mental issues

Please which Bini are we talking about? You mean that small village East of Ore? Please stop making this villagers and their village headmaster feel relevant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh2Tac1gNPU

FisifunKododada:
Please which Bini are we talking about? You mean that small village East of Ore? Please stop making this villagers and their village headmaster feel relevant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IlUMUGUorw

FisifunKododada:
Please which Bini are we talking about? You mean that small village East of Ore? Please stop making this villagers and their village headmaster feel relevant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmrdunRXfbw

FisifunKododada:
Please which Bini are we talking about? You mean that small village East of Ore? Please stop making this villagers and their village headmaster feel relevant.

So this little village and their village headmaster are known for only one major export:

prostitutes to Italy (If I am lying watch these videos):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3b8iWM_OSk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7uA0v-ymtA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udbmoD0j0-8

mynd44, rule 2[quote author=FisifunKododada post=65958424]So this little village and their village headmaster are known for only one major export:

prostitutes to Italy (If I am lying watch these videos):

History is something which has already taken place, you can't decide history according to your mood. It has already happened !
Rewriting of history seems very common among your tribesmen.