tintingz:
No there is nothing wrong with, at least provide the link of the source.

ok sir sorry about that, I will nxt time thnx

OK, I'm doing bad things that will lead me to hell fire and Allah knows in advance the bad things I will be doing, is he responsible for more of the bad things I'm doing?(because you said it yourself that Allah misguide) If he's responsible for it then how will I be able to strive towards Allah's path?

The confusion there is "freewill", I'm not understanding the Quran type of freewill.

Pls who is doing d reading for you? In my prev post I mentioned we hav the free will to do good or evil and we are all responsible for our bad deeds not Allah..
Allah knows in advance the heart n intentions of the wrong doers (deceivers) who re not willing to stop and give up their wrong doings those are the ones that will be misguided...
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If you wants to strive towards Allah's path then bear in mind
Allah will only guide those who actually struggle to be guided. If God has already predetermined who would go to hell and heaven without giving us free will then it would be useless for Allah to tell us to strive to be good. So God guides those who strive and put an effort to want to be guided.

»Surah 29:69«
As for those who strive in Us, We surely guide them to Our paths, and lo! Allah is with the good.

»Surah 6:116«
If thou obeyedst most of those on earth they would mislead thee far from Allah's way. They follow naught but an opinion, and they do but guess"

FriendNG:


You can appreciate it when you visit the thread and see the reasoning I quoted that.


No sign is equal to Allah sign, and you said there is.

You also is fairytale. And many more. I am doing something now but inshaAllah I will table everything here or I will be posting each post link you made blasphemy that will be easier.

Interesting.

aminusanti:
ok sir sorry about that, I will nxt time thnx

Ok.

Pls who is doing d reading for you? In my prev post I mentioned we hav the free will to do good or evil and we are all responsible for our bad deeds not Allah..
Allah knows in advance the heart n intentions of the wrong doers (deceivers) who re not willing to stop and give up their wrong doings those are the ones that will be misguided...

So when Allah knows this person will do wrong(maybe in future), why can't Allah guide him instead he misguided him? Remember Allah said "He mislead whom he will" something like anybody he feels like misleading.

Like Empiree gave example of Pharaoh, Allah knows Pharaoh will be a deadly villain from the beginning, why can't Allah just strike him with thunder lightning from the sky and save the long story or better still guide him?

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If you wants to strive towards Allah's path then bear in mind
Allah will only guide those who actually struggle to be guided. If God has already predetermined who would go to hell and heaven without giving us free will then it would be useless for Allah to tell us to strive to be good. So God guides those who strive and put an effort to want to be guided.

»Surah 29:69«
As for those who strive in Us, We surely guide them to Our paths, and lo! Allah is with the good.

»Surah 6:116«
If thou obeyedst most of those on earth they would mislead thee far from Allah's way. They follow naught but an opinion, and they do but guess"

A lot of people have struggled to be in Allah's path but end up not guided. Boko haram are struggling to be in Allah's path, they claim they are fighting for Allah following Quran verses and hadiths. Are they guided?

A reasonable Muslim wouldnt answer this your question! Are you trying to fault Allah for people's misguidance?

You should have read the Tafsir of that verse! Reading Qur'anic verses at face value sometimes may lead one astray!

tintingz:
Ok.

So when Allah knows this person will do wrong(maybe in future), why can't Allah guide him instead he misguided him? Remember Allah said "He mislead whom he will" something like anybody he feels like misleading.

Like Empiree gave example of Pharaoh, Allah knows Pharaoh will be a deadly villain from the beginning, why can't Allah just strike him with thunder lightning from the sky and save the long story or better still guide him?

Because he is just, and this is the best way to do things. Can you think of any other better alternative?

When The Most Gracious creates Hell, it means that He will only put there people who had been excessively stubborn, who had been given a lot of chances and mercy but remained an rebellious aggressor.

Allah created life to establish his justice and differentiate between his creation of humans and jinns of whom there are good and evil beings...

He in his prefect knowledge knows which if his slaves are good and evil and could have placed them in heaven and hell even without creating this life, but to establish his justice He send us to this earth so that we may earn with our own hands what lies for us in our future while going through this test of living on this earth, He created heaven for those who will pass this test and qualify for a greater purpose (become the rulers of His Jannah), and hell for those who fail and serve their punishments for disobedience.

A lot of people have struggled to be in Allah's path but end up not guided. Boko haram are struggling to be in Allah's path, they claim they are fighting for Allah following Quran verses and hadiths. Are they guided?

like any other religious group out there boko haram re also misquoting the quran and theyr being extremely sturborn .
When it says struggle it doesnt simply means doing it your own way..
If boko haram re struggling to the path of Allah, are they also doing it the right way?
When The Most Gracious creates Hell, it means that He will only put there people who had been excessively stubborn, who had been given a lot of chances and mercy but remained an rebellious aggressor.

aminusanti:

Because he is just, and this is the best way to do things. Can you think of any other better alternative?

Yes, sending thunder lightning from the sky on Pharaoh.

When The Most Gracious creates Hell, it means that He will only put there people who had been excessively stubborn, who had been given a lot of chances and mercy but remained an rebellious aggressor.

Allah created life to establish his justice and differentiate between his creation of humans and jinns of whom there are good and evil beings...

Ok

He in his prefect knowledge knows which if his slaves are good and evil and could have placed them in heaven and hell even without creating this life, but to establish his justice He send us to this earth so that we may earn with our own hands what lies for us in our future while going through this test of living on this earth, He created heaven for those who will pass this test and qualify for a greater purpose (become the rulers of His Jannah), and hell for those who fail and serve their punishments for disobedience.

I'm confused, you said Allah knows those who are good and bad(meaning those that are qualify for paradise and hell), why testing them again on earth?

like any other religious group out there boko haram re also misquoting the quran and theyr being extremely sturborn .
When it says struggle it doesnt simply means doing it your own way..
If boko haram re struggling to the path of Allah, are they also doing it the right way?
When The Most Gracious creates Hell, it means that He will only put there people who had been excessively stubborn, who had been given a lot of chances and mercy but remained an rebellious aggressor.

Ok, lemme not trouble you with questions.

tintingz:
Yes, sending thunder lightning from the sky on Pharaoh.

Allah Almighty didnt kill pharaoh from the begining as u suggest but he was later killed (drown) after displaying all his evil acts and Allah then saved his body as a sign to those who come after him as warning n reminder

»Qur'ân 10:90-92«
"This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"

Again

Almighty Allah also established his justice on him by allowing Pharaoh to live life to earn with his own hands and have no one to be blamed in the next life about his actions n all his records

I'm confused, you said Allah knows those who are good and bad(meaning those that are qualify for paradise and hell), why testing them again on earth?

If u carefully read my prev post I already replied u on this
I said its part of Allah' Almighty justice..

Ok, lemme not trouble you with questions.

I got no problem with questions as long as no insults..

aminusanti you should leave this Non Academic student Please. You're giving him the attention and opportunity he want. As you can see from the beginning of the thread we made it clear he is not here to learn but to blaspheme, mock Qur'an and his author.

Stop wasting your time pls. You never know who is Tinz.

aminusanti:


Allah Almighty didnt kill pharaoh from the begining as u suggest but he was later killed (drown) after displaying all his evil acts and Allah then saved his body as a sign to those who come after him as warning n reminder

»Qur'ân 10:90-92«
"This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"

Again

Almighty Allah also established his justice on him by allowing Pharaoh to live life to earn with his own hands and have no one to be blamed in the next life about his actions n all his records .

Do you know how many years the Israelites suffered in the hand of Pharaoh?

If u carefully read my prev post I already replied u on this
I said its part of Allah' Almighty justice..

Justice?

I got no problem with questions as long as no insults..

OK sir. I'm not part of those that insult if they can't hold an argument.

FriendNG:
aminusanti you should leave this Non Academic student Please. You're giving him the attention and opportunity he want. As you can see from the beginning of the thread we made it clear he is not here to learn but to blaspheme, mock Qur'an and his author.

Stop wasting your time pls. You never know who is Tinz.

Allah said He guides and mislead, where did I blaspheme? Are you high on something.

Praise be to Allaah.

One must believe in two things:

1 – That Allaah, may He be exalted, is the Creator of all things, and nothing happens in the universe except by His will. He knows what is to come and He decreed all of that and wrote it in a Book fifty thousand years before He created the heavens and the earth, as is stated in a saheeh report from our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He is Just and does not wrong anyone in the slightest, because He is independent of His creation and has no need of them. He is Kind and Gracious to them constantly, so how could He wrong them?
This principle is indicated by a great deal of evidence in the Qur’aan and Sunnah, such as the verses in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Verily, We have created all things with Qadar (Divine Preordainments of all things before their creation as written in the Book of Decrees ___ Al‑Lawh Al‑Mahfooz)”
[al-Qamar 54:49]
“No calamity befalls on the earth or in yourselves but it is inscribed in the Book of Decrees (Al‑Lawh Al‑Mahfooz) before We bring it into existence. Verily, that is easy for Allaah”
[al-Hadeed 57:22].
And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah decided the decrees of creation fifty thousand years before He created the heavens and the earth. He said: And His Throne is above the water.” Narrated by Muslim (2653).
2 – Man has free will and choice by means of which he does some things and refrains from others, and he believes or disbelieves, and he obeys or disobeys, for which he will be brought to account and rewarded or punished, although Allaah knows what he will do, what he will choose and what his ultimate destiny will be. But Allaah does not compel him to do evil, or to choose kufr, rather He clearly shows him the path and He has sent Messengers and revealed Books, and shown him the right way. Whoever goes astray does so to his own loss,.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And say: ‘The truth is from your Lord.’ Then whosoever wills, let him believe; and whosoever wills, let him disbelieve”
[al-Kahf 18:29]
“Verily, We showed him the way, whether he be grateful or ungrateful”
[al-Insaan 76:3]
“So whosoever does good equal to the weight of an atom (or a small ant) shall see it.
8. And whosoever does evil equal to the weight of an atom (or a small ant) shall see it”
[al-Zalzalah 99:7,8]
“And it will be cried out to them: ‘This is the Paradise which you have inherited for what you used to do’”
[al-A’raaf 7:43]
“so taste you the abiding torment for what you used to do”
[al-Sajdah 32:14]
Allaah tells us that man believes and does righteous deeds by his own choice and free will, then he enters Paradise, or he disbelieves and does evil deeds by his own choice and free will, then he enters Hell.
Every person knows in his own heart and by looking at those around him, that our deeds – good and evil, obedient and sinful – are done by our own choice, and we do not feel that there is any force compelling us to do them. You can curse, swear, lie and backbite, just as you can praise Allaah, glorify Him, pray for forgiveness, speak the truth and give sincere advice. You can walk to places of idle entertainment, falsehood and evil, just as you can walk to the mosques or places of goodness and obedience. A man can strike with his hand, steal, speak falsehood and betray, or he can help the needy, do good and do favours with his hands. Everyone does some of these deeds and he does not feel that he is compelled or forced, rather he does them by his own free will and then he will be called to account for them; if they were good, then the consequences will be good, and if they were bad then the consequences will be bad.
What Allaah has decreed is something that man cannot know and he cannot base his deeds on it or use it as an excuse. It is also not valid for him to object to his Lord by questioning why He has caused someone to be among the doomed or the blessed. Allaah has not wronged the one who is doomed, rather He gave him time and ability and freedom of choice, and He sent to him Messengers and revealed Books to them, and He reminded him and warned him with all kinds of reminders, such as calamities and tests, so that he would repent to Him and turn to Him. If he chose the path of misguidance, and followed the way of criminals, he only harmed himself, and he is the one who has caused his own doom, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Indeed he succeeds who purifies his ownself (i.e. obeys and performs all that Allaah ordered, by following the true Faith of Islamic Monotheism and by doing righteous good deeds).
10. And indeed he fails who corrupts his ownself (i.e. disobeys what Allaah has ordered by rejecting the true Faith of Islamic Monotheism or by following polytheism, or by doing every kind of evil wicked deeds)”
[al-Shams 91:9, 10]
“Allaah wronged them not, but they wronged themselves”
[Aal ‘Imraan 3:117]
“Has not the story reached them of those before them? — The people of Nooh (Noah), ‘Aad, and Thamood, the people of Ibraaheem (Abraham), the dwellers of Madyan (Midian) and the cities overthrown [i.e. the people to whom Loot (Lot) preached]; to them came their Messengers with clear proofs. So it was not Allaah Who wronged them, but they used to wrong themselves”
[al-Tawbah 9:70]
To sum up: the belief that Allaah is the Creator Who has decreed all things and has distinguished those who are blessed from those who are doomed, does not mean that Allaah forces His slaves to obey or disobey. Rather He has given them the ability to choose and free will, which is what they act upon, and for which they will be brought to account. Your Lord does not wrong His slaves.

https://islamqa.info/en/96978

^^^ Confused.

tintingz:
^^^ Confused.

look Islam is not by force okay? embrace your atheism and let us have peace. shout out to friendng and demmzy15 for ignoring this non-believer

APCsupporter:


look Islam is not by force okay? embrace your atheism and let us have peace. shout out to friendng and demmzy15 for ignoring this non-believer

Lol, did you say these two boys ignore me, a non-believer?

tintingz:
Lol, did you say these two boys ignore me, a non-believer?

at least they didn't answer you. but what happened to on you? you were not like this before

APCsupporter:


at least they didn't answer you. but what happened to on you? you were not like this before

Lol, those two guys you mentioned are always stalking me on almost every thread in this Islam section.

As for your question, I'm still me, the only changes is my ideology, but your people here said it is shaitan influence.

tintingz:
Lol, those two guys you mentioned are always stalking me on almost every thread in this Islam section.

As for your question, I'm still me, the only changes is my ideology, but your people here said it is shaitan influence.

OK good for you. but I advise that you dont starve yourself today because based on the things that you posted, you are far far away from Islam

tintingz are you fasting?

FriendNG:
tintingz are you fasting?

Yes.

tintingz:
Yes.

Better.

APCsupporter:


OK good for you. but I advise that you dont starve yourself today because based on the things that you posted, you are far far away from Islam

SMH... I'm fasting if Allah will guide me or mislead me, a chance for Allah to guide me. So please don't discourage me.

And besides...

What happen to dieting? Is it bad? I want to reduce my belly fat.

So Ramadan Kareem or Ramadan Mubarak, which ever greetings, because your brothers are confusing someone over this.

FriendNG:


Better.

Your brother said I'm starving myself.

tintingz:
SMH... I'm fasting if Allah will guide me or mislead me, a chance for Allah to guide me. So please don't discourage me.

And besides...

What happen to dieting? Is it bad? I want to reduce my belly fat.

So Ramadan Kareem or Ramadan Mubarak, which ever greetings, because your brothers are confusing someone over this.

I am not trying to discourage you my brother. I'm just telling you the bitter truth. you question the verses of the Holy Qur'an, you hinted that you do not believe in anything that is unseen and you mocked some of the words of the prophet. there is no how you can be a Muslim with all these. you are simply an atheist

tintingz:
Your brother said I'm starving myself.

is because of your ideology that's y he said so.

APCsupporter:


I am not trying to discourage you my brother. I'm just telling you the bitter truth. you question the verses of the Holy Qur'an, you hinted that you do not believe in anything that is unseen and you mocked some of the words of the prophet. there is no how you can be a Muslim with all these. you are simply an atheist

ok

FriendNG:


is because of your ideology that's y he said so.

ok